Buharry, The Gambia , and the Gambia Forum is not the axis of my existence and I do not seek the light here. Do you understand that? > From: Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 2007/05/30 on PM 04:17:54 CEST > To: [log in to unmask] > Ämne: Re: Zionism as a Racist Ideology > > Cornelius, > There are two concepts I would like to present before > going fyrther. They are: > > 1. ?Perception management? - a "term used to describe the process of > transforming public opinion to conform to a premeditated political > agenda." > 2. Doublethink which is ?? the power of holding two contradictory > beliefs in one?s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ? To > tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them?. (http://www. > globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5058) I shall come back to > them later. > > In your attempt to appear an innocent fighter against racism and anti- > semiticism, you sent a list of articles that I forwarded and claimed to > be "responding to some of the anti-Semitic and downright racist anti- > Zionist articles" that I posted. Before posting anything about Israel, > I posted various articles dealing with propaganda, anti-imperialism > etc. for those who are interested to read and those who are not to > delete. Some of these articles were: > > - Conflict Diamonds: "A Linguistic Deception" > - Understanding Empire: Hierarchy, Networks and Clients > - Blair's legacy: Militarism a broad, social devastation at home > - Deconstructing the Founding Myths of France's Greatness > - Fascist America, in 10 easy steps > - Freedom of Expression in an Era of State Terror > - No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly > are a very uncivilised bunch > - Propaganda and the Politics of Perception > - The Battle over Zimbabwe's Future > - Bush and Islam: Words versus Deeds > - Fidel Castro - The Internationalization of Genocide: Transforming > Food into Fuel > - THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAM TO DESTROY THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY > > and other articles. You stayed mute and didn't even lift an eyelid. > When I sent "Palestine & Israel: Know and Understand The Facts And > Decide For Yourself ", the Zionist in you arose and you responded and I > ignored you. My aim was not to send various articles about Israel but > just to send articles relating to Panafricanism, neocolonism, > imperialism etc. Kabir posted something about Israel and you responded. > You tried to use the concept of perception management to try to form a > favourable public opinion about Israel and Zionism. I did not want to > get in direct contact with you and posted another article countering > what you tried to portray. You posted something about Zionism not being > racist and I sent something to counter that. You sent something about > Israel being a democracy and I sent an article presenting another view. > You see, you conveniently try to assert that I, suddenly and out of the > blue, just started throwing these articles around with racist intent. > The two concepts of "victim mentality" and "racism labelling" employed > by Zionists to make gullible people and European and American sponsors > of genocide scared to talk about Israel and what it does wrong will not > work here. Do you think you have a right to make comments about France, > Gambia, Sierra Leone etc. but we don't have a right to comment on > Israel? You are not an innocent victim in this case and I don't care > if you tie the racism label on me. You can do it until the cows come > home and I wouldn't care and it wouldn't deter me from expressing my > view about injustice be it in Israel, Sweden, Germany, America or > Timbuktoo. Habib and Jabou have told you that people are not > criticising Judaism as a religion or Jews as a people because that > would be downright narrowmindedness. There are very decent and nice > Jews just as are within other races and peoples and I do know some. > What we have a problem with is the concept of Zionist racism. Do you > see the difference or are you going to stick to the old Zionist "blur > the landscape" concept of blurring the two and trying to hang the anti- > semiticism label on anyoneone who dares say anything about Zionism and > Israel? There are many Jews who are anti-Zionist. Some of articles I > forwarded are written be Jews. One is written by an Israeli former > Minister of Education? Is she anti-semitic? Aren't Arabs semites? How > about your derogatory references to them? Are you anti-semitic? Here > are a few links to Jews against Zionism websites: (http://www. > jewsagainstzionism.com/ , http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ , http://www. > nkusa.org/ , http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org , http://www.yesh- > gvul.org/english.html and many more. > > In you application of the concept of "doublethink", you wrote: > > - "I have not been trying to defend anything" whilst defending Zionism > and Israeli policies towards Palestinians most of which are very > dehumanising. > - "I have never criticized Islam either, not the religion Islam" and > wrote: > * "Militarism is therefore an ideal that Muslims follow, with the > Prophet of Islam (S. A. W.) and Imam Ali (A.S.) as role model and this > overemphasis on Jihad " > * "One State, which the Dawa Party - four wives per man, full time, > would overpopulate within one generation. Shall we leave it there?" > * "What is the point of blowing innocent people up and going to hell > in the process of creating a so called Islamic State?" > * "The Jews are praying for peace all the Time. The SIDDUR is full of > prayers for peace:................................ I have never heard > or read a Muslim prayer for peace, since I was born, till now. > Prayers for ?VICTORY over the unbelieving folk?, yes but peace? Never > heard." > * I find it a little disturbing, that the military agenda is at the > top of Muslim?s political agenda?. " > * Others would like to wipe out the ideological basis of terrorism. > Yet others would like to wipe out terrorists/ their enemies??" > * "There is always the divide and rule factor and the Shia/ Sunni > dichotomy in Islam, provides that kind of balance ? if it comes to > nuclear weapons too, an equilibrium of terror from both sides of the > qibla." > * "HAMAS has an Islamic agenda (does not seem to be taking the > precedent of the Treaty of Hudaibiya, as seriously as one had hoped. > Perhaps the Islamists will try to retake Spain this century ? all based > on Dar al -Islam, who knows?)" > * "The devil also has mass followers and recruits suicide bombers, > officiates at literary bonfires, and does not want the real > Prophets......." > > Should I continue? You see how you are speaking from both sides of > your mouth? You see how you are professing to believe one thing and > saying something completely different? You see how you keep > contradicting yourself? You see how the contempt you have for Muslims > keeps seeping through in your statements? You see how you try to > convince us that you are an ok guy with a lot of Muslim friends whilst > inadvertently betraying your true feelings through careless remarks? > Another fib (we nickname it "ehem" in Gambia) you told was when you > wrote: > > "The Arabs were able to persuade their South of the Sahara African > brothers that ?Zionism is racism? probably with the help of some petro- > dollars to grease the usual palms" > > This statement is not true and it is also derogatory because you are > implying that black Africans are corrupt, cheap, without principles and > can be bought. Isn't that racist? Find below the voting record of all > the countries which voted for, against or abstained in that vote. Are > Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Bulgaria, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist > Republic, Cambodia, People's Republic of China, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, > German Democratic Republic, Grenada, Guyana, Hungary, India, Indonesia, > Iran, Laos, Malaysia, Maldives, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Pakistan, > Poland, Portugal, Sri Lanka, Turkey and Ukrainian Soviet Socialist > Republic, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics "South of the > Sahara African brothers" with greased usual palms? You see how you try > to "selmal" us? (pull a fast one on us). The following "South of Sahara > African brothers" Central African Republic, Ivory Coast, Liberia, > Malawi voted against and the following abstained: Botswana, Ethiopia, > Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Lesotho, Sierra Leone, Togo, Upper Volta, Zaire, > Zambia. Were their hands also "greased"? Who did the greasing? You see > how you look? > > You wrote: > > "The Jews are praying for peace all the Time. The SIDDUR is full of > prayers for peace:................................I have never heard or > read a Muslim prayer for peace, since I was born, till now. Prayers for > ?VICTORY over the unbelieving folk?, yes but peace? Never heard." > > You try to give the impression that Muslims don't pray for peace but > only pray for victory basically because they are a warlike people. You > know that that is not true but once in the doublespeak mode, no bounds > are available. Here are a few Muslim prayers for peace: > > ** "O God! O our Master! You are eternal life and everlasting > peace by Your essence and attributes. The everlasting peace is from You > and it returns to You. O our Sustainer! Grant us the life of true peace > and usher us into the abode of peace. O Glorious and Bounteous One! You > are blessed and sublime. > > Allahumma ya mowlana antas-salaam, wa minkas-salaam, wa ilaika yarjaus- > salaam, haiyyina rabbana bis-salaam, wa adkhilna daras-salaam, > tabarakta rabbana wa-ta'laita, ya zal jalali wal ikram " > > ** In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful. Praise be to > the Lord of the Universe who has created us and made us into tribes and > nations, that we may know each other, not that we may despise each > other. If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou also incline towards > peace, and trust in God, for the Lord is the one that heareth and > knoweth all things. And the servants of God, Most Gracious are those > who walk on the Earth in humility, and when we address them, we say > "Peace." " > > ** "A Prayer for Brotherhood - The Believers are but a single > Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two > (contending) brothers; > and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy." Al-Hujurat 49:10 | > Source: The Qu'ran > > ** "Oh God, You Are Peace > Oh God, > You are peace. > From you comes peace, > To you returns peace. > Revive us with a salutation of peace, > And lead us to your abode of peace. " > > - Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) > > Are these prayers for war or victory over "unbeleieving folk"? You see > how you have caught again? > > > You wrote: > > "It is widely reported that one of the Prophet of Islam?s last wishes > before he blessed the hereafter with his presence, was to rid the Hijaz > of any Jewish presence. " > > I shall forward under separate cover Muhammad's (peace and blessings > of Allah be upon him) dealings with the Jews and a treaty with them and > others. You and fellow Zionists try to take the circumstances of over a > thousand years ago and juxtapose them alongside conditions today and > try to paint Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a > violent person. I can point out many Jewish prophet's violence (eg., > Moses, peace be upon him) and immorality but I cannot slander him and > the other prophets because I am commanded by Islam to have high regards > for them. The so-called "violence" perpetrated by Muhammad (peace and > blessings of Allah be upon him) against Jews pales in comparison to > what the Europeans did to them, what America and Israel have done to > the Arabs and other people of the World. You see, you can't pull a fast > one here either. > > Your haughtiness and sense of self-aggrandisement coupled with self- > deception compel you write self-righteous applesauce such as: > > - "We are far too intelligent for that and even today I prefer the > company of a good book (like Amos Oz?s ?A Tale of Love and Darkness?) > to that of a lout." > - "There is no war going on between US and Iraq." > > and how you are the generous philantrophist helping out Muslims in > trouble and giving alms to Muslims who cheat you. Get your head out of > the clouds and come back to earth man! Sitting on your high horse and > narrating your life history is not interesting to me and probably many > others. Through what you wrote, you stated some personal positions. I > asked you questions relating to those. I am not interested in reading > someone else's opinions about what they believe. If I wanted to know > what Professor so and so thinks, i would have asked you Professor so > and so thinks. I asked you questions. Either answer them or take the > fifth for fear of incriminating and contradicting yourself but don't > point me to any links because I am not going to click on them. The > questions are there. You can answer one question per day or week if you > want but give me your opinion and not someone else's. You also wrote: > "much love". What I want from you is not love but honest answers to my > questions or a refusal to answer them or silence. > > Buharry. > > > P.S. > There were typos in my previous posting, which I realised after > sending it. > > D.S. > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > ---the United Nations voted, 97 to 35 > Voting record > > Voting record Sponsored by: (25) Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Cuba, > Dahomey, Egypt, Guinea, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libyan Arab > Republic, Mauritania, Morocco, North Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, > Somalia, South Yemen, Sudan, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, and United > Arab Emirates. > > Voted yes: (72) The 25 sponsoring nations above, and additionally 47 > nations: Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burundi, Byelorussian > Soviet Socialist Republic, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Chad, > People's Republic of China, Congo, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Equatorial > Guinea, Gambia, German Democratic Republic, Grenada, Guinea-Bissau, > Guyana, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Iran, Laos, Madagascar, Malaysia, > Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, > Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Rwanda, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sri > Lanka, Tanzania, Turkey, Uganda, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, > and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. > > Voted no: (35) Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Canada, > Central African Republic, Costa Rica, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El > Salvador, Fiji, Finland, France, Federal Republic of Germany, Haiti, > Honduras, Iceland, Republic of Ireland, Israel, Italy, Ivory Coast, > Liberia, Luxembourg, Malawi, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, > Norway, Panama, Swaziland, Sweden, United Kingdom of Great Britain and > Northern Ireland, United States of America, Uruguay. > > Abstaining: (32) Argentina, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Burma, Chile, > Colombia, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Greece, Guatemala, Jamaica, > Japan, Kenya, Lesotho, Mauritius, Nepal, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, > Peru, Philippines, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Thailand, Togo, Trinidad > and Tobago, Upper Volta, Venezuela, Zaire, Zambia. > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > ----Original Message---- > From: [log in to unmask] > Date: May 30, 2007 12:59:09 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subj: Re: Zionism as a Racist Ideology > > ? For one who acknowledges that Gambia and Gambian fora > are not significant in determining policy, you seem to be spending an > awful lot of time trying to defend the indefensible.? > > I was responding to some of the anti-Semitic and downright racist > anti-Zionist > articles that you have been posting fiti-fata, these past twenty > four hours all > to prove that you are ?more sober and sophisticated than the half- > baked > ?.and can see through the mistruths, half-truths? etc. > > You posted these. > 1. FWD: Palestine & Israel: Know and Understand The Facts And Decide > For > Yourself > 2 FWD: 'Israel's Right To Exist': Is It A Real Issue? > 3. FWD: The Occupation Of Palestine > 4. FWD: 'Wiped off the Map' ? The Rumor of the Century > 5. FWD: Palestine: Israeli Killing Fields > 6. FWD: Israel's Right To Be Racist > 7. FWD: Compassionate Oppression: Subjugating Your Inferiors With A > Human > Touch > 8. Fwd: Holocaust Museum: Israeli Holocaust Against Arabs > 9. FWD: Zionism and the Media > 10. FWD: Zionism as a Racist Ideology > 11. FWD: A Review Of The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine By Ilan Pappe > 12. FWD: UN RESOFWD: Various Articles On The Farce Of Israeli > Democracy > 13. FWD: Various Articles On The Farce Of Israeli Democracy > 14. FWD: Answering Zionist Propaganda > > > > > > > > You are all very important as people, most of you are Muslims, and I > have > nothing against that. > I have not been trying to defend anything. > I have posted some links and you may believe what you want. > I don?t know whether answering your twenty questions will make any > difference, but please give me some time to think about it, and I will > try to > answer them in my own personal way. > Of course, you know that avoidable or unavoidable human suffering > and > tragedy causes much pain to all of us. The daily carnage that we > witness on > TV, from Iraq, sometimes I wonder if we are still human beings. > > (Have you tried to obtain Saudi citizenship yet?) > > I could ask you twenty easy questions, but you don?t have to convince > me > about anything. I am not easily convinced and if you are destined to > follow the > prophet Moses, so be it, if not it doesn?t mean that you are going to > go ? to > hell. > > I CAN TELL YOU THIS: THAT SINCE Israel?s ?Independence day? 59 years > ago, > ISRAEL HAS NOT KNOWN A SINGLE DAY OF PEACE. > > http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA > > It?s akin to the period 610-623 of Islam. You could say that the whole > period > during which the Islamic revelation took place, was during a state of > emergency. > There has been much more bloodshed among and between Muslims since > that > time, though not on the scale of the 2nd World War bloodshed was > concentrated within six years. > > Militarism is therefore an ideal that Muslims follow, with the > Prophet of Islam > (S. A. W.) and Imam Ali (A.S.) as role model and this overemphasis on > Jihad > etc and Palestinians unwillingness to negotiate is what puzzles me. > > I find it a little disturbing, that the military agenda is at the top > of Muslim?s > political agenda?. And oh yes, the Shia have also suffered very much?. > As > you well know. > > The year was 1987, and this was my first Sufi Teacher and this is how > I met > him: I was once sitting with some Gambian friends. One of them was > lamenting > something ? and BLACK is my weakness. > There and then, I counted the sum of eight thousand Kronor and handed > it > over to him as a loan. He needed the money. Later on, when I asked him > for it, > he told me to get out? did we sign any paper etc. > In the first week of Ramadan, I was reading the Qur'an and came to > the > section where it said that if someone owes you some money, give him > more > time to pay it, but it would be even better, if you waived it as > Sadaka, and I > did just that. I wrote a letter to this my Gambian friend, and told > him that this > was Ramadan sadaka from me to him. > Immediately after that, I was impelled to go to Vattumannen Bookshop > - > three minute walk from where I lived, and there I bought, ?In the > Paradise of > the Sufis? by Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh. When I got home, I opened the book, > on > the first page or so, saw an address, and phone number. (Of course, I > thought > that Dr. Nurbakhsh the author was in Iran. I called the London > Branch > number, and was told that Dr. Nurbakhsh was not at home, and could I > call > the Khaniqah, later. I did so half an hour later and talked to Dr. > Nurbakhsh I > think that it was on a Monday, and he said that I could see him on > Wednesday, in London. > After I put down the phone. I danced - I mean DANCED and cried for > half an > hour. > I was there on Wednesday, popped in to see my mother at Edgware, and > stayed with her that week. > Within fifteen months I went so see Dr. Nurbaksh eight nine times ? > eight > times in London and once in Cologne, Germany when he invited me to > the > opening of the Khaniqah there. > > But that was just the beginning of something and I tell you this (it?s > not a > secret) because I want you to understand that I am not some unfeeling > brute > who wants to slaughter any Muslim heaven forbid, or Palestinian, but > in a > them or US situation what do you do? > > http://www.google.se/search? > hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1& > q=DR.+Nurbakhsh+on+LOVE > > So, sabre, please, my Judaism puts a lot of emphasis on CHESED, > perhaps my > greatest weakness and with that too, I will try to answer your > questions. > > Much love, > > Cornelius > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > Gambia-L Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors. > org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤