Jabou, I may have recognized your dilemma. I think you read SHitown as Shitside. If that is the problem, I now declare that you did not mean to tell a lie against your brother in Islam. It was mere oversight. I therefore rescind associating you with Munaafiqoon for it error and omission. I look forward eagerly to your educating us if indeed I called the southside of Chicago another odious name elsewhere. If indeed this was the only occasion that wrought the mirage, I encourage you to look up the genesis of SHitown. It is only amicable mention. Allahuma Aqfirlee, waliwaali Dayya, wa Jamee il muslimeen, wal muslimaat. This was a strange oversight on your part Jabou. Quite unexpected. I am very disappointed in that your mind will wander ever so driftingly as to innure disdain for your brother. Miracles always happen. We should avoid the bad miracles and hail the good ones. I will yield again until you share with us the colour of my shortcoming because that word you attributed to me of southside of chicago is one error I effort not to make in all the volumes of my literature. It is an expensive and onerous error. Silence on it will not advance community and conversations in graver matters. I therefore encourage you to be grand like I always knew you to be. Haruna, I have to confess that you lost my interest when you delved into "Chicago shitside" Chicago shitside? Aren't you just a tad bit angry for a discussion that is supposed to help you win friends and influence people on behalf of the candidate you profess to support? After reading your last response, I had a hard time trying to discern whether yours was a personal anger towards Barack Obama because he was of mixed race, attended Harvard and was president of the Harvard Law Review, or was a community organizer in the South side of Chicago and failed to include all the Ghettos in the United States in that effort and you think all of these are supposed to be indictments against him or if your truly feel that the way to promote Edwards was to drag his opponents in the gutter? I guarantee you that if you ran your response by any camp of the Edwards campaign, they would have asked you not to post it. I have never seen John Edwards drag his opponents reputation or record in the gutter because he is intelligent enough to know that this is hardly a way to win votes and that people are sick and tired of this sort of senseless tirades. John Edwards speaks about how in his youth, he witnessed lawyers and judges in his native South Carolina stand up against racism during the civil rights era and how they risked their lives and had to be escorted to work by Federal Marshalls and yet, they kept on. He speaks of the admiration he had for these people standing up against racism. He would not wonder if people would vote for Obama because he is of mixed race. Edwards may have sued insurance companies and won some judgements against them, but that has not resulted in any changes that prevent insurance companies finding loopholes to pay out claims. Just ask the victims of Katrina. And the case for which Edwards won the largest judgement was for a family whose child got her hair or was it a limb caught in the drainage system of a swimming pool. What supporters of the various candidates should concentrate on is to present what their candidate can do for the people when elected so they can convince voters that they are the right person and how they do t hat matters a great deal. Engaging in maligning the other candidate as a strategy to win supporters never works and tends to be symptomatic of some personal issue the those who engage in it may have. Also, when supporters engage in the latter, they become liabilities as opposed to being assets. Take it easy Haruna, rage does not draw in people, it makes them head in the opposite direction and it is bad for the heart. It is the people who will have the last word. Now, I shall leave you to it. Jabou -----Original Message----- From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 6:44 pm Subject: Re: John Edwards/ Haruna/Jabou. "Haruna," Jabou. Yes Ma'am, hope all's well. Good to hear you again. "Too long winded so I will be brief." Jabou. I cannot for the life of me, believe mine own ears. Jabou? Dis-ease for Long-windedness? As Rocco Mediate is wont to quip of Tiger, If there ever were a good time to die, I'm red to go. Jabou, I'm extremely sorry for my long winds. I will have been remiss were I not to have been comprehensive with your queries of John Edwards. In addition, I intended to share other value-added process for discernment. I remmembered a good friend of mine, Corporate attorney Charles McClure shared, "Haruna, our job is to discourage our clients' customers from desiring detail and comprehension without running roughshod to minimalist law. My clients include Insurance Agencies and multi-national corporations". The ones who seem to own just about everything Jabou. "And, when it comes to any challenge in courts of law, we encourage fellow corporate attorneys and judges, to review the entire constitution, ammendments, and precedent law". I knew the great Charles was unto something. This is exactly the reason why John Edwards chooses cases carefully for advocacy sakes. I enjoy your long winds from Foroyaa Jabou. I know you were being sarcastic but it struck me befuddled. Now then. "Just a few important points." Jabou. Yes. Let'r Rip! "Edwards fought corporate America on behalf of his clients as a litigation attorney." Jabou. Indeed. John Edwards challenged the parts of law that Insurance and drug companies relied on to stifle claims for errors and omissions. Indeed. Indeed. John Edwards litigated profusely and with all his might, for his clients, the illiterate of law, the powerless to challenge wrongdoing, and in the process, he forced clarifications of hitherto un-interpreted law to yield precedent that discouraged the culprit corporations and other from taking refuge in ambiguity. I am sorry Jabou. Sometimes you must be long-winded to yield value context and comprehension. I am told long directional winds can be harnessed for energy. "When he won on behalf of those clients, he was paid very well for his efforts." Jabou. I would suppose so. Lawyers, like carpenters, doctors, masons, engineers, and dishwashers, must receive value for effort and productivity. John Edwards did not choose to litigate just any infringement. The ones he chose to litigate have national and constitutional dimensions. His remuneration came from whatever the judge determines is just penalty or compensation for victims and their advocate lawyer. The fees for lawyers are communicated to their clients prior to representation. They are normally a percentage of the settlement or penalty for corporate wrongdoing. Whether John Edwards was paid very well or not, is not terribly significant to me. Whatever he was paid, he invested heavily in his foundations (the poverty center, One America, The Ninth ward of New Orleans, Carolina's poor and dispossessed. All while his wife Libby was under doctor's care for terminal illness. Barak, like his wife, is an accomplished lawyer. They chose to side with corporate interests that John Edwards serves notice to. Comparative values my dear. "He did not offer his services gratis when he sued those corporations." Jabou. I should think not. Besides he has his wife's medical bills to pay and his children to raise. Further, were he to have lost any of the cases, he will not have been compensated for his fees were reliant on his victory over evil and jurisprudent compensation therefrom. That is why John Edwards represented the indigent and those of lesser means than his fees would require. He was confident in the victory of good over evil, and he took enormous risks of loss. "Perhaps you can share with us the major changes that came about as a result of Edwards winning these lawsuits." Jabou. I'm sorry I must be long to do your query justice my Jabou. 1. When we desire democracy, whose cardinal tenet is The rule of common law, we desire that the common comprehends law that contains the rights and privileges whose aversion by other should trigger judicious challenge. In a society where there are some (possibly one partner to that law), who are oblivious to this rule of law and democracy indigents harp on about. That is where the need for lawyers comes in. They are the bedrock of due-diligence and democracy. John Edwards being a lawyer, intrinsically accrues value to any society in which he practices. 2. Lawyers choose from several areas of practice. Not all lawyers choose cases for advocacy for the indigent. John Edwards chose advocacy law. He is valuable to democracy and equal justice under the law. 3. When John Edwards wins his cases, a precedent in law is established so that no matter which of the contiguous United States including Hawaii that are partner to the constitution, may rely on such precedent. That assists in discouraging fraudulent practice by rogue corporations who seem to own just about everything. 4. Jabou, you and I, though never among John Edwards' direct clientele, are currently benefitting from John Edwards' legal victories. For the specific laws and precedent, I refer you to the public records of John Edwards' cases. "Speaking of votes that have had a major impact on American lives, I would say none top that list more than the Iraq war." Jabou. How do you mean??? I beg to differ. I do agree that the senate of which John Edwards was a part, approved a military campaign to apprehend Saddam and bring him to answer to charges of mass murder and belligerent foreboding. Many Iraquis, Iranians, and Kuwaitis lost their lives and liberties at the hand of Saddam. Perhaps I would agree with you that the campaign was badly prosecuted. For which Edwards cannot be to blame. He saw fit however, to apologise for whatever part he may have played in the cantankerous prosecution of a campaign of conscience. A Solid Human. I make no apologies for John Edwards. "and Edwards voted for the war" Jabou. John Edwards voted along with his coleagues to approve a military campaign in Iraq. Not for the Iraq war we now witness. He is being magnanimous in remorse of poor prosecution of the campaign. I would like John Edwards to approve a military campaign against me in that manner. And I will not require apology of him. "and it has impacted American lives as well altered how America is viewed by the World forever." Jabou. Indeed. Anything America does, impacts on the lives of Americans and world citizens in a big way. That is why circumspect and due-diligence is advised in prosecutions of campaigns. "Haruna, your amazingly harsh rhetoric against Obama is bordering on the "swift boat" strategy of the last elections." Jabou. I am not familiar with the Swift Boat incident. I therefore do not consider it in demarches. I am sorry you regard our exchange here as harsh rhetoric against Obama for on mine own part, I know no personal cause to spurn at him, but for the general. Besides, in my effort to solicit support for John Edwards, it will be utterly foolhardy to offend other, including Obama. You and I must leave open, the prospect of future collaboration between John Edwards and Barack Obama. Here, we engage in studious discernments and recognition of comparative values. I advice temperance toward John Edwards. "you don't want the angry label being made against your candidate to be true for his supporters." Jabou. Should the angry label be self-fulfilling against John Edwards, We will invent commensurate compassion and understanding. We are children of God/Allah. Rabbil Aalameen. "Enough of negative campaigning already! Another reason why Obama is a breath of fresh air?" Jabou. Indeed Obama is a breath of fresh air. John Edwards is Freshivating. "Have a good weekend." Jabou. Thank you my sister. As if Allah was aware of your prayer. I made merry and produced value for other this weekend. I pray for your glorious sustenance all weekends. Thank you for the prayer. Your bestest brother, Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:54 pm Subject: Re: John Edwards/ Haruna "Haruna," Jabou. Yes Darling, how are you. I like the way you speak and what you say always. You have an immensely powerful voice fertilized, as our friend Karim is wont to drammatize, by prolific study, acumen, and measured tone. Any candidate would like to have your support. I'm not giving up on Ousman either. I love him very much. Just don't get any funny ideas Ousman. "I do not know that what Edwards can represent to the American people is not the same as what Obama will." Jabou. I was under the same impressions too. Then I began a study of senators who later run for President in a revolutionarily different way that reviews marginal values. There is a wealth of information that when properly reviewed or reviewed in the directions of questions one might have when making marginal distinction assessments, you will come away with a benign but discerning conclusion. If you review the matters/bills that Clinton, Obama, and Edwards have offered votes on in the senate, (not the ones Obama and Clinton conveniently absented themselves on for expediency sakes), you can draw important demographic information from their affect on Americans, both in quantity and quality that has brought me to the conclusion that Edwards is a more valuable change to more Americans than either Obama or Clinton. I had also come to the conclusion that Obama will be a more valuable change to immigrant Americans than either Edwards or Clinton, and that Clinton is the hungriest of them all to become President. Take a look at how many bills Obama and Clinton absented themselves from voting on and find out what those bills are. Then look at the bills all three voted on and you will notice that Edwards never absented himself from voting on critical and significant matters as well as those matters that are politically inexpedient to vote on. A solid human.Let us know how your review looks like. "Also, I do not think that there is any indication that Obama beileves in religion as other than a moral compass." Jabou. Probably not and I did not qualify Obama's belief in that realm. I shared Edwards' belief in the realm. Obama had recognized the value of religious congregations and the almost complete patronage of evangelists by Republicans. Given his political industriousness, he embarked on a campaign to wrest a slice of this section of society from Republicans and rightly so. I happen to believe that you neither court nor discount the religious evangelist vote. You allow them to choose without giving the facade of their participation as a group in governance and administration of the state. An active campaign to woo them trends too closely to quid-pro-quo and if you do not deliver their perceived quid, they can severely malign your administration. Only a seasoned governor and policy-maker can recognize these subtle flaws in character. Because as you know, the evangelists are active voters and they vote in order to skew public policy in favour of their religion. They do not hide their intentions and motives. It takes a strong character to resist the temptation to maligned judgement. When you ask Obama, he frames his responses this way: "We have to show America that Democrats too care about religion". That statement itself says a lot about his dispensation. Jabou, I know that you are a devout muslim. Have you ever felt like you have to show me and Suntou and Malanding how much you care about Islam? If you begin to run for President, and you then embark on an active campaign to show us how much you care about Islam, whether that is good or not, would it not give me pause in distinctions? Our friend Ousman shared that Obama fought for the downtrodden in the south side of Chicago. I will share more on this later but that southside vote was what gained Obama the state seat against an incumbent democrat, also African American. When you delve deeper into Obama's activities in South Chicago, you will come to the realisation that there are other communities in Chicago that were down-trodden for one reason or the other. But Obama chose these other down-trodden people of South Chicago. Edwards running as senator in North Carolina fought for the down-trodden in other areas of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachussetts, Alabama, and California. Speak with Jimmy Carter and ask him to share his views on Obama and Edwards. He will tell you he loves both of them but that Edwards is more valuable to all America than Obama. It is not because Edwards is white and more Americans are white that is why we say this. It is because of the quality of his values and since African Americans are disproportionately disenfranchised in all states, they received the value of Edwards' efforts more than Whites. Edwards does not apologise for that. When the question arose in one of the debates about Obama being black and Clinton being a woman, John Edwards responded, and in public, that whoever does not vote for Obama because he is black, or Clinton because she is a woman, he, John Edwards does NOT want your vote. Now the untrained eye will view this as political suicide and indeed it costed Edwards some white support because they began labelling him as an angry candidate. Of course they cannot make a distinction between anger and passion and half of those idiots belong in an insane asylum anyways, we just don't have a comprehensive mental health intitution in the US that is why some of these retards find their way on talk shows and radio programs and TV interviews. Obama has a keen eye on the Presidency, has had even before the "grassroots downtrodden advocacy" in SOuth Shitown. "As for being beholden to corporate America, well, all American presidents are somewhat beholden to corporate America, and the difference is perhaps just a matter of degrees." Jabou. Let us say you are right in the immediate above. You are therefore admitting that corporate America does command inordinate and a formidable power to coerce American Presidents. The same will therefore be true of Evangelic America. Now Edwards actually challenged the powers of corporate America in the court of law and won overwhelmingly. He therefore helped stem the cancer in corporate America and enhanced the good in it for the prosperity of America. In his campaign speeches when he ran with Kerry and now, he has always served notice that he is immune to corporate control, no matter how formidable that may be. And another thing. I think your recognition that both Edwards and Obama will represent refreshing change in the American Presidency gives you hope that the two will be different from past American Presidents. We all therefore take solace in the idea of an Edwards or Obama Presidency. You will however agree with me that in America, Just being President does not innoculate the ordinary American from the relentl;ess onslaught of Pharmaceutical and other Corporate interests. We must therefore go further than just the Presidency if it is the refreshing change we are really interested in. It has come to light that most of Obama's advisors are leftover Clinton advisors. You may remmember when one of those advisors disrespectfully tried to malign the former President Bill Clinton. And Obama shared with us that the former Clinton advisor was speaking of his past relations with Bill Clinton and therefore he, Obama is not privy to that and cannot say anything on it. And the former Clinton advisor is now an Obama advisor. Discernments. I also would like our brother and friend Ousman to share with us one tangible value accrued from Obama's "campaign for down-trodden votes in south SHitown". It is evident that the United Steel workers of America, The united Mine Workers of the same nation, The Carpenters Union, and many more see more value in John Edwards than Obama, Clinton, or other. Is there a national union of the un-employed of South Chicago? We may be presented with mirages of "grassroots campaign for votes" and "grassroots conscientious advocacy". "Having said that, Obama has spoken out against the insurance companies who are at the top of the food chain when it comes to corporate America because they own just about everything." Jabou. Exactly my point Jabou. First, you should never speak against any corporate or individual interest because they own just about everything. That is the wrong impetus. Now John Edwards did not stop at speaking out against rogue corporate policies, he challenged them in courts on the behalf of Americans and overcame their enormous powers. He is only a lawyer as was Obama. Has Obama filed suit against any rogue corporate policy on the behalf of the common American? Those insurance companies he "spoke out against", has he challenged them in a court of law on the merits or demerits of his disdain of them? Obama was head of the Harvard Law Review. If Obama finds himself in a situation where vote-counting can yield a loss of his election to a Republican candidate, what do you think will happen? What do you think Obama will do? "You are right, I like both Edwards and Obama, and I think that Edwards is a great candidate, but I do not think that he will win the primaries." Jabou. I think you are looking at the polls of those who view Edwards as an angry candidate. Look deeper and follow the citizens of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada. We are talking about primaries aren't we???? Check around your neck of the woods around Cleveland Tennessee, Chattanooga, Memphis, Nashville, Jackson, Milan, etcetera. Let us know what you find out. "He is good but America sees him as having been part of the old establishment even if only because he ran before." Jabou. I know you're just being sarcastic here. Who among all candidates, Republican or Democratic, has not been part of the old Establishment. Don't be swayed by cliches of these lunatics who fell through the administrative cracks for lack of enough space at rehab. "I think Obama on the other hand stands a very good chance of winning the primaries and Americans are angry enough at the republicans so that none of their candidates stands a chance in the national elections, no matter who they are." Jabou. Indeed Jabou. I agree with you. Obama does stand a very good chance of winning at least one of the primaries if not all. As far as the anger of Americans at Republicans, I presume you share that all the democratic candidates stand equal chances when pitted against a Republican. We can all cherish that but let us focus for now on the voting democrats for the democratic primaries. What we are trying to discern is "EDwards, Obama, or Clinton, who represents the most valuable and desirable change for Democratic Americans". After the primaries, we will change our effort by removing the word democratic from our query. "So a wonderful and winning strategy for Democrats this time would be an Obama/Edwards ticket." Jabou. That wouldn't be a bad ticket either. If that ends up being the ticket it would be formidable. It will be more formidable against the Republicans in all of America if it turns out to be Edwards-Biden, Edwards-Clinton, Edwards-Obama, or Edwards-Gore. What do you think???? "Together, they can restore the hopes of the people and make great headway towards reversing the damage that the last 8 years of a Bush Administration has done" Jabou. Anything is a refreshing change from the last 8 years of cluelessness. "Thanks for providing the link to Ousman's blog, I had not known of it before. As for Andrew Young Ousman, he dances to the music of corporate America and so he has to pay the piper so no surprises there. He has now made a career of leading the pillagers and plunderers into Africa. Dr King is no doubt turning in his grave." Jabou. This is not fair. I have contributed in forming a comprehensive alliance against my person and Edwards' person. This is not fair Jabou and Ousman. The two of you simply are too overwhelming even if I summon the entire essence of my very being. Please have mercy on me from here on in or pledge not to gang up against me and Edwards. "Jabou" What Friggin-ever. You mean Jabou and Ousman, don't you?? Whew. New Gambians!! Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26 pm Subject: Re: John Edwards/ Haruna Jabou, you know you are beautiful. I can never get upset at you. I think you like both John Edwards and Obama, but that you like Obama more because his election will represent much needed change. Would you consider that the election of John Edwards will also represent change? The work therefore is in discerning between John Edwards and Obama, who is the more desirable change!!! Now, like you about John Edwards, I like Obama a lot because I think he is brilliant, popular, and his election will give hope to a lot of Immigrant Americans. John Edwards not only represents hope for more Americans than Obama, he has shown the value of the change that he may accrue us. I have not had the opportunity to witness a sampling of Obama's change except that he looks different from past presidents. John Edwards' One America Foundation offers some hope. John Edwards' rebuilding efforts in the Lower Ninth ward offer hope in what America can be. John Edwards fought with Huge corporate outfits on the behalf of regular and common Americans, and John Edwards and Obama are both lawyers. Senator John Edwards of North carolina will get dirty for you and with you. North Carolina used to be the home of Senator Jesse Helms. John Edwards enjoys enormous peer support and the most endorsements from Democratic governors of states than either Obama or Clinton. John Edwards is more electable across the United states than any candidate currently seeking the presidency, Republican or Democrat. Check the stats. Libby Edwards is beautiful and is not beholden to corporate America. Mrs. Obama is beautiful but may be beholden to corporate America. She sits on the board of Walmart. John Edwards is handsome and is not given to religious distinctions nor does he believe religion ought to be mixed with governance. John Edwards believes in Religion as moral and ethical compass, not administrative compass. Obama is good. John Edwards is more valuable to all America. Edwards-Obama may be formidable. What do you think my dear? Lemme know, Lemme know!! You know Ousman is an Obama-head!!! Don't you?? Your friend and colleague Haruna. In a message dated 12/13/2007 8:40:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Haruna, I both like and have a great deal of respect for John Edwards and his wife Elizabeth for many reasons, some of which are mentioned below. However, I am an Obama supporter myself. I also think Obama has a better chance of being elected because among other things, he is seen as the "change" candidate by a country that desperately needs change and Hillary ain't it. Infact, I think Hillary has turned into a "snake oil sales lady" and she is everything to everyone in her zeal to be president and I do not trust her at all and the rest of the country is beginning to see through her. I think that Edwards' best shot will be as a V.P for Obama. I think together they would make an awesome team. Now, now, don't get too upset. Jabou -----Original Message----- From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 6:49 pm Subject: I wish to share John Edwards with you: We just concluded another conference call with David Medina, the national campaign director for John Edwards. We are excited about the prospects for a John Edwards Presidency. We are pleased to have the support of Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover in South Carolina. Our gratitude to the United Steel workers Union, The Mine Workers Union, The Carpenters Union, and Friends of the Earth Action Network. I am proud of John Edwards' performance in the just concluded democratic candidate debate sponsored by the Des Moines Register. John Edwards is humble, intelligent, and stands up for the Common American even on unpopular issues. He has vision and character, attributes that are extremely valuable to American foreign policy and stature in the world. We would like volunteers to assist in South Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. We also wish to ask for your financial support if your time will not allow volunteering. Please visit us at _http://www.johnedwards.com_ (http://www.johnedwards.com) and thank you for your support and company toward a One-America. 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