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Haruna, it is my believe that our nation has reached a stage
where mere criticism of a system is not enough. now brothers need
to articulate what sort of politics they would best want in our
nation.] Suntou.
Suntou, I think Allah has ready-made you for evangelism. I
want to share with you that our nation has not reached the stage
you surmise. For starters, the nation does not tolerate nor does
it value mere criticism. The culture itself regards criticism as
rudeness and conceit. Yahya is the alter-ego of that culture. How
many times have you heard your fellow citizen
disappeared or was assasinated for mere criticism or
due-diligence??? Does Deyda Hydara, Koro Ceesay, CHief Ebrima
Manneh, Kanyibaa Kanyi ring a bell??? What world are you living
in? The Religion that you propagate, is what the criminals use for
ally. Might you use that religion to restore sanity in the
criminals????
[every one can critise, it is a matter of looking at the
shorting coming of some one or government and a make a case out of
it.] Suntou.
Do you not think a case has already been made out of it?? And
making a case comprises critique of the highest order.
[but what is the alternative,] SUntou.
I don't know. But I comfort you that when there is freedom of
speech, expression, association for industry, politics, and
worship, I couldn't care less what the alternative is. If Yahya is
trained on these basic principles, there will have been no need
for an alternative. You will see people like Haruna support,
assist, and encourage him to the hilt and discourage his
detractors.
[this is where our brothers with the political brains seem
dormant.] Suntou.
No Suntou. You are confusing circumspect for
dormancy.
[we see the British having a battle line between the liberals
and the consecutive,] Suntou.
But the liberals and conservatives of Britain are both
trained on DEMOCRACY.
[and the U.S is divided between the Republicans and the
Democrats.] Suntou.
But the Democratic and Republican parties of the US are both
trained on DEMOCRACY.
[what is it that we have that make people to align
themselves with a certain political party?] Suntou.
This should not be your worry, concern, or query my friend
Suntou. This is because it fulfils the cardinal principle of
Freedom of Association for Industry, politics, and or religion.
You should cherish this opportunity or you will not look good as a
gagged evangelist. The rights of those people to alignment, is the
same right you have as to religion and associations. I do not
ask you nor worry about why you choose to align yourself with
Islam do I? Well you should not ask me why I would align myself
with APRC even if my only reason is that Yahya is crazy, or
with PDOIS even if my only reason is that Sam Sarr looks
handsome to me, or NRP even if my only reason is that Hon. Hamat
is tall, eloquent, and handsome, or UDP even if my only reason is
that Ousainou is smart, handsome, and diligent. The
right of such association, when qualified, becomes criminal.
[ i see it just has blind following. nothing to say this
is why i support so and so party.] Suntou.
This is what I'm trying to share with you. If you want to
figure out why any individual supports a particular party,
religion, or is engaged in a particular industry, your evangelism
will suffer an onerous death for lack of spare time. There are as
many reasons as there may be individuals exercising that
right.
[PDOIS may be. is the glue-less kind of politics we will be
having?] Suntou.
Suntou. You need to sit back and reflect a bit. Your
anxieties are severely misplaced. Consider that if the majority of
Gambians wish to have PDOIS as their governing party, that
inevitably PDOIS then will have been better for Gambia than APRC.
Similarly, if the majority of Gambians desire APRC, UDP, NRP, or
NDAM to be their governing party, they will have been better for
Gambia than the incumbent. The harbinger is for you and your
fellow to realize that freedom of association for politics,
industry, and or religion.
[why then do we Want Yahya out if all the
alternative parties can do is only criticise
without having any serious ideology as to why people should
support their cause.] Suntou.
Suntou, maybe you have been sleeping for the last 14
years. We want Yahya out because he infringes on the rights
of the citizens. It is not because of his ideologies. If you,
Suntou, were President of Gambia and you trample on citizen rights
because of your Islamic ideologies, We would want you out too. And
it will not have been because of your Islam. It will have
been because of your crimes.
[think about it.] Suntou.
No You think about it. I generally like you but
you confuse me all the time.
[what ideology was the PPP base on?] Suntou.
I couldn't care less.
[what about PDOIS,] Suntou.
I couldn't care less either.
[i here it is socialism, is this true? what about UDP?]
Suntou.
I couldn't care less. It is crimes within the ideologies that
I intend to ferret out.
[people must have reasons to want to spend their time
canvassing for our politicians.] Suntou.
Indeed. And they do. Where someone is not spending his or her
time canvassing for any politician, it is because he/she has not
identified a good enough reason for canvass and
circumstance.
[not just emotions.] Suntou.
I think by emotions you mean chatter and garrulous
gaucherie.
[this is where our learned brothers should intervene.]
Suntou.
WHy? Why the learned brothers? Why are you wanting
someoneelse to do your work for you? What about the learned
sisters, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, uncles, nephews,
nieces, grandfolk, etc.?
[i read the interview of Dr Abdoulie Saine, unless i
misunderstood his comments, but it seems to me the guys has
political ambitions, if truly he does, why not test his
ideas here?] Suntou.
I got news for you Suntou. A person who is
contemplating a political career would not test his ideas
here. The best place to do that is on the ground with the people
he/she intends to be political with. Not here at Ellen or Posten
for that matter. And I share with you that there is no harm in
harbouring political ambition. SO Dr. Saine is well within his
rights and privileges to aspire to a political career. The man is
a matriculated political scientist afterall. It is when his
ambition leads him to commit crimes that I get involved. Until
then, I encourage Dr. Saine in his future endeavours. Why
would you focus on Dr. Saine anyway? Is he the only Gambian with
political ambitions? Why would you be interested in him testing
his political ideas here? Suntou, I hate to say it but you are
engaged in foolhardy right about now.
[recently, Alagie Yero wrote a good analysis of past African
leaders political philosophies, i like that, it explain what was
going through their minds http://www.allgambian.net/NewsDetails.aspx?id=558.
but now, in a more advance age, we don't seems to have any
idealist out there. every one is talking about human rights and
free press, yes this is good but it is not all.] Suntou.
Again, Human RIghts and Freedom of the Press are bedrocks of
DEMOCRACY and civilisations. The trick is to identify the human
and the press.
[the real issue is leadership and what the leader believes
in.] Suntou.
NOOooooooooo!
[this will help in shaping the country and her people.]
Suntou.
You're kiddin me!!!!
Suntou, I think you're a very funny man. Well you take us on
this grand tour of mental gymnastics and contortions only to tell
us you didn't really have a reason for the tour. Just passing
time. Men. If you were not my friggin uncle, I'd issue a fatwa
against your behind.
Masoud. Your bestest pal. Now that I think about
it Kukeh, this augmented posts idea might be a baaaaad one! these
and those extremeties as my friend Brutus is wont to quip as he
drugged himself into a tizzy!! for stabby!! Men. Even I am tired
now.
From:
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Fw:
Political thoughts
To: [log in to unmask]
Date:
Friday, 5 September, 2008, 6:20 PM
Suntou,
What is a capitalist democrat? Democrat does not need any
qualifier. In the arena of investment and industry, I believe in
securing capital honestly and making the capital work for you
honestly. Purchase labour in the open market and harness it
toward some productive activity. I believe in philanthropy and
charity. I believe in the rights of the physically and mentally
challenged. Religion is a luxury for me but I find relaxation
and exaltation in't. I don't know neither do I believe in a
class system. I honour an orderly productive chain. There you
have it. My comprehensive life philosophies.
Haruna. Leave Galleh and Kukeh alone. They're hatin on
Charlie for the book deals and TV appearances. I just hope the
man will come on GDP-TV. MQJGDT. Al whatever.
In a message dated 9/5/2008 1:02:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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So Dr jaiteh believes in the 'patron' mentality? i
wonder what the capitalist democrat al-mutawakil darboe,
haruna would say to class system. i wonder. men like
Baba Galleh with good working knowledge in politics have
high social significant, that is positively amean. but
the Gambian communist council would like us to have a
classless society, thus, i wrongly assume that Malanding
is a social-democrat. what is your political ideologies?
brothers like myself wish to keep our political
philosophies private, but in the presence, we
still hide our respective political stance, what is the
need of the presence?
I challenge you elders, Baba Galleh, Alagi Yero,
Mathew, Haruna, LJ Darboe, Malanding, Uncle Joe, sister
jabou, i mean the lot of you to bravely grace us your
presence. what political ideologies do you subscribe to?
even our Obama mania doesn't go without his political
believes. what is yours? brothers with leadership
qualities and potential are not willing to openly debate
their ideas, here, i mean the G-L has all calibre of
brothers and sisters, if u can be bold and test your
ideas, friend you can test it anywhere. well, i am
not expecting any answers as usual, just rambling.
sorry, it is Ramadan. --- On Tue, 25/9/07,
Malanding Jaiteh
<[log in to unmask]> wrote: From:
Malanding Jaiteh
<[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: recommend a
book
To: [log in to unmask]
Date:
Tuesday, 25 September, 2007, 1:09 PM
Suntu,
I am no student of politics but my few years on this earth have thought
me that, "even in the land of monkeys there is a pecking order".
While all these theories and stories about equality or classless society
are no doubt great academic exercise, I wonder how much of it is being REAL?
Malanding
Suntou Touray wrote:
>even more on fraser the man .E FRANKLIN FRASER TACKLE THE elite
>mentality .all over the history of man ,the elite has been the stunbling
block of
>true progress ,they aim to subjugate the peasant and the under dogs. in our
>case ,we still have them and we will continue to have this snobery human
>beings .they start from down below ,but when they climb the social
>ladder ,hell break loose .
>if you want to be an elite ,be a good one .look where you started from
,don't
>trade any human being for your progress ,it may reflect on your offsprings
>haha .http://www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/2002/08-30/scholars.htm
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