[In a message dated 9/21/2008 12:28:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Calm down masoud. PDOIS most mean something to you, haven't you ever extended some good will gesture to them?] Suntou. OK I'm calm uncle. Yes I have extended some goodwill gesture to PDOIS. I have also extended some goodwill gesture to UDP, NRP, NDAM etcetera. This therefore means that if PDOIS means anything to me, the other parties must mean something to me also. Individual goodwill to any particular party is insignificant as to the demarche of the political parties. It must not also be reflected in the party's positions. Frankly I have little patience with people who "Purportedly" are PDOIS diehards but do not extend their goodwill to the party. But uncle I'm calm. I just want you to know that extending goodwill to any political party is the citizen's warrugal if you're so inclined. What you must do is disassociate that goodwill from a veritable consideration of policies, platforms, and machinations. Goodwill is itaa'U Jakaat Liman Istataa'A. I fulfil my religious obligations as I live good life. I know you like that in folk. I enjoyed Anonymous' contribution here. It brought back images of PDOIS folk dividing Gambians into their friends and enemies. Demba shared with you who those enemies are. It occured to me that if you do simple arithemetic and consider that the 2.3% of Gambians who are PDOIS' friends (because they like PDOIS and possibly vote PDOIS, and consistently), are overwhelmed by PDOIS' enemies. And PDOIS I think wants to have the enemy Gambians vote for them time and again. It makes you wanna get off this friend/enemy trip. It has no place in political discourse. Here may be a nugget of actionable information for PDOIS. Go away uncle. Haruna. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al whatever. in all honesty, you raised some valid points, my arguement is that pdois should alert themselves to some serious issues. talking of redirecting, you haven't seen the last of it yet. i am analysing the 1972, 1977 and 1982 election result of Sandou on my blog tomorrow, i thought that may be of interest to you. if not mbalenjam. the last comment on the subject on suntoumana. Anonymous said... Suntou,thanks for bringing the debate about PDOIS to our attention as frequently as you do. I know there is something bothering you about PDOIS, and you like many others, are looking for answers to these questions or issues. I think there is a general agreement about the plausability and suitability of PDOIS's ideas and prgrams in our political marketplace; their ideas and programs can compete comparatively with all other ideas and programs. So in my opinion, the fundamental problem with PDOIS is not about content, or even how such a content is understood or misunderstood. The fundamental problem about PDOIS is its approach to politics in the Gambia. And until PDOIS expands the discussion and inguiry beyond PDOIS itself, and its programs and activities, and seek to incorporate the ideas and contentions of others who share the same aims and aspirations, there will always be difficulties in their path. --- On Sun, 21/9/08, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: PDOIS at the bantaba To: [log in to unmask] Date: Sunday, 21 September, 2008, 4:33 PM My friend and everybody's uncle Suntou, I see you are indeed in turmoil. That has nothing to do with Lehman brothers and Bear Stearns or Fannie and Freddie. I will offer some reflection: I generally find it unproductive to lure Ellen members to chatter in other communities, blogs, and sites. Ellen is a place of sober reflections and sharing actionable information with folk. That being said, and because you have forced us to weigh in on this morass of a conversation, I see you and our other friends Demba et al are engaged in philosophical churning of PDOIS' fortunes and or misfortunes, whatever the case may be. It is a push and pull. The end game is to convince one another of your positions. I share some caveat Emptor: 1. There is a tendency to confuse PDOIS electioneering with qualities of PDOIS personnel and adherents. A big mistake. That affords good and awful people both, sanctuary for diluted mediocrity and gore instead of enhanced life. You remmember when our friend Pa Pierre shared with us that he saw a lot of corruption where he used to work in government but looked the other way or perhaps partook of the grafignette only to seek secours at the doorsteps of PDOIS politburo? Pa Pierre then shared with us the qualities of the trio in Halifa, Sidia, and Sam at PDOIS. Possibly in a bid to lose himself in others' good work. That is what PDOIS is mostly. 2. The questions you raised therefore; PDOIS not participating in Gambian culture and humanity, is to me an attempt to yield PDOIS re-considered dispositions. I, like you, and perhaps Demba and Pa Pierre, all abhor exploitation of less fortunate citizens. I am confident also that you didn't mean EXPLOITATION when you shared PDOIS' perceived aloofness. The conversation took that turn because it affords PDOIS folk another opportunity to bear inordinately on Sir Dawda's remarkable governance. Consider this: PDOIS pretends they are not out to exploit the masses so that they can present the mirage of exploitation by PPP, APRC, UDP, NRP, GPP, & NDAM. Demba makes us aware of the EDUCATIONAL component of PDOIS. On the face of it, we know that the spirit and objective of education is to share life skills with another so he/she can be enabled to become as independent as possible and a productive fellow citizen to augment the fortunes of society. Now look at the EDUCATION that PDOIS purportedly provides. Research centers, Polit-bureaux, & Foroyaa. To me, this is Forcible propaganda. Social engineering. Guiding surreptitiously toward voting for PDOIS. It has not yielded much fruit. You will realize that 90% of PDOIS support comes from those who and or their family members have benefitted or will benefit from PDOIS' good-heartedness. SOmething is wrong with that picture. But you hang a lantern on not wanting to eat with and honour the citizens you yearn to lead because that appears to be EXPLOITATION of the friggin masses. Take my friggin food and wife and don't attempt to bamboozle me into failed marriages and ideological slavery. 3.If PDOIS values Gambians and their cultures, and they intend to govern those same Gambians, How can they lead us effectively if they require us to change our cultures and humanities to theirs before we are worthy of being governed by them??????? That is the million-dollar question. WHen PDOIS is accorded the leadership role in Gambia, our cultures and humanities die. And where they are aiming to take us, I already know is a cul-de-sac of petit squabbles, insoluble social morass, and they will then tell us we will succeed only when Africa unites. So we let them lead us into their concentric ditches while they mire their success at governance on the ultimate and indispensable goal of African unity. To be sure, I think there is merit in African nations uniting. But bear with me Suntou and Demba. WE DO NOT WANT PDOIS' problems commuted to the African NATION. End of story. 4. The African nation PDOIS hopes for, comprises various peoples and ethnicities with beautiful cultures of celebrations, mournings, festivities, singings, dancings, and prayerful joy. If you do not want to partake of Gambia's myriad cultures, what makes you think you have a prayer with the Temne of SIerraLeone, The AMhara of Ethiopia or of Jijiga, The Fulani of Niger, the Moors of Mauritania, the bedouins of Sirte, or indeed the Jollof of Kayor??? Are you an incorrigible idiot???? I am not talking about herds of goats and cows. No one is coming after your cows Demba. You need to lighten up a bit. You can eat and make merry with your hosts when you go to them to seek their votes. OR STAY HOME and guard your flock. I don't wanna hear it. And there is a big difference between exploiting your hosts for political gain and honouring their offerings. I'll tell you how to do it in case you are really interested in NOT EXPLOITING YOUR HOSTS. WHo said you have to sleep with your host's wives and steal their cows when you receive gifts of honour from them??? Let us take our minds out of the gutter and quit maligning fellow citizens for our own political gains. PDOIS needs a total overhaul. 5. Halifa, Sidia, & Sam are only responsible for their own characters and values. That cannot be gratuitously commuted to any idiot by ideological or political association. It is time all citizens develop themselves so that they can pull their own weights in political associations. Thank you. I'm sick o' this fosse patronnage and pretenses. Halifa, Sidia, and Sam do not know that where they want to lead Gambians to is not a healthy place. I know that already. Putin knows that already, Kim Jong IL knows it. Chavez knows it. Gaddafi knows it. Al GOre knows it. Carter knows it. Suntou knows it. Demba knows it but only after he gets his share of the "PIE" can he admit it. Why would you wait to gevern an ill-disciplined people inorder to demonstrate your value? That is the question. I mean to be or not to be! Masoud. OK I'm happy again. Just don't get any friggin ideas Suntou. I can get mad again at the flip of a switch. Men that was a friggin monkey off my back. Gotta take the kids to the Zoo. I hear they have new and exciting animals there. Forget the pandas. They look good and cuddly though. I will not dance with other peoples' pandas though. I will not do it. I shall not be embarassed in front of the whole zoo world. Nokh khonna doit. Thousand points of light. Million acts of indiscriminate good. Turmoil my foot! I say we jail all the idiots or tie them to a baobab tree somewhere. Unless of course they dance with us. 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