[In a message dated 9/21/2008 12:28:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Calm down masoud. PDOIS most mean something to you, haven't you ever  
extended some good will gesture to them?] Suntou.
 
OK I'm calm uncle. Yes I have extended some goodwill  gesture to PDOIS. I 
have also extended some goodwill gesture to UDP, NRP,  NDAM etcetera. This 
therefore means that if PDOIS means anything to me,  the other parties must mean 
something to me also. Individual goodwill to  any particular party is 
insignificant as to the demarche of the political  parties. It must not also be reflected 
in the party's positions. Frankly I  have little patience with people who 
"Purportedly" are PDOIS diehards but  do not extend their goodwill to the party. 
But uncle I'm calm. I just want  you to know that extending goodwill to any 
political party is the  citizen's warrugal if you're so inclined. What you must 
do is disassociate  that goodwill from a veritable consideration of policies, 
platforms, and  machinations. Goodwill is itaa'U Jakaat Liman Istataa'A. I 
fulfil my  religious obligations as I live good life. I know you like that in  
folk.
 
I enjoyed Anonymous' contribution here. It brought back  images of PDOIS folk 
dividing Gambians into their friends and enemies.  Demba shared with you who 
those enemies are. It occured to me that if you  do simple arithemetic and 
consider that the 2.3% of Gambians who are  PDOIS' friends (because they like 
PDOIS and possibly vote PDOIS, and  consistently), are overwhelmed by PDOIS' 
enemies. And PDOIS I think wants  to have the enemy Gambians vote for them time 
and again. It makes you  wanna get off this friend/enemy trip. It has no place 
in political  discourse. Here may be a nugget of actionable information for  
PDOIS.
 
Go away uncle. Haruna. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al  whatever.
 
 in all honesty, you raised some valid points, my arguement is  that pdois 
should alert themselves to some serious issues. talking of  redirecting, you 
haven't seen the last of it yet. i am analysing the  1972, 1977 and 1982 election 
result of Sandou on my blog  tomorrow, i thought that may be of interest to 
you. if not  mbalenjam.
 
the last comment on the subject on suntoumana. 
 
 Anonymous said...  
Suntou,thanks for bringing the debate about PDOIS to our attention as  
frequently as you do. I know there is something bothering you about PDOIS,  and you 
like many others, are looking for answers to these questions or  issues. 

I think there is a general agreement about the  plausability and suitability 
of PDOIS's ideas and prgrams in our political  marketplace; their ideas and 
programs can compete comparatively with all  other ideas and programs. So in my 
opinion, the fundamental problem with  PDOIS is not about content, or even how 
such a content is understood or  misunderstood. The fundamental problem about 
PDOIS is its approach to  politics in the Gambia. 

And until PDOIS expands the discussion and  inguiry beyond PDOIS itself, and 
its programs and activities, and seek to  incorporate the ideas and 
contentions of others who share the same aims  and aspirations, there will always be 
difficulties in their  path.



--- On Sun,  21/9/08, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:


From:  Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: PDOIS at the  bantaba
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, 21  September, 2008, 4:33 PM


My friend and everybody's uncle Suntou,
 
I see you are indeed in turmoil. That has nothing to do with Lehman  brothers 
and Bear Stearns or Fannie and Freddie. I will offer some  reflection:
 
I generally find it unproductive to lure Ellen members to chatter  in other 
communities, blogs, and sites. Ellen is a place of sober  reflections and 
sharing actionable information with folk.
 
That being said, and because you have forced us to weigh in on this  morass 
of a conversation, I see you and our other friends Demba et  al are engaged in 
philosophical churning of PDOIS' fortunes and or  misfortunes, whatever the 
case may be. It is a push and pull. The end  game is to convince one another of 
your positions. I share some caveat  Emptor:
 
1. There is a tendency to confuse PDOIS electioneering with  qualities of 
PDOIS personnel and adherents. A big mistake. That affords  good and awful people 
both, sanctuary for diluted mediocrity and  gore instead of enhanced life. 
You remmember when our friend Pa  Pierre shared with us that he saw a lot of 
corruption where he used to  work in government but looked the other way or 
perhaps partook of the  grafignette only to seek secours at the doorsteps of PDOIS 
politburo? Pa  Pierre then shared with us the qualities of the trio in Halifa, 
Sidia,  and Sam at PDOIS. Possibly in a bid to lose himself in others' good  
work. That is what PDOIS is mostly.
 
2. The questions you raised therefore; PDOIS not participating in  Gambian 
culture and humanity, is to me an attempt to yield PDOIS  re-considered 
dispositions. I, like you, and perhaps Demba and Pa  Pierre, all abhor exploitation of 
less fortunate citizens. I am  confident also that you didn't mean 
EXPLOITATION when you shared PDOIS'  perceived aloofness. The conversation took that 
turn because it affords  PDOIS folk another opportunity to bear inordinately on 
Sir Dawda's  remarkable governance. Consider this:
 
PDOIS pretends they are not out to exploit the masses so that they  can 
present the mirage of exploitation by PPP, APRC, UDP, NRP, GPP,  & NDAM. Demba 
makes us aware of the EDUCATIONAL component of PDOIS.  On the face of it, we know 
that the spirit and objective of education is  to share life skills with 
another so he/she can be enabled to become as  independent as possible and a 
productive fellow citizen to augment the  fortunes of society. Now look at the 
EDUCATION that PDOIS purportedly  provides. Research centers, Polit-bureaux, & 
Foroyaa. To me, this is  Forcible propaganda. Social engineering. Guiding 
surreptitiously toward  voting for PDOIS. It has not yielded much fruit. You will 
realize that  90% of PDOIS support comes from those who and or their family 
members  have benefitted or will benefit from PDOIS' good-heartedness. SOmething  is 
wrong with that picture. But you hang a lantern on not wanting to eat  with 
and honour the citizens you yearn to lead because that appears  to be 
EXPLOITATION of the friggin masses. Take my friggin food and wife  and don't attempt to 
bamboozle me into failed marriages and ideological  slavery.
 
3.If PDOIS values Gambians and their cultures, and they intend to  govern 
those same Gambians, How can they lead us effectively if they  require us to 
change our cultures and humanities to theirs before we are  worthy of being 
governed by them??????? That is the million-dollar  question. WHen PDOIS is accorded 
the leadership role in Gambia, our  cultures and humanities die. And where 
they are aiming to take us, I  already know is a cul-de-sac of petit squabbles, 
insoluble social  morass, and they will then tell us we will succeed only when 
Africa  unites. So we let them lead us into their concentric ditches while 
they  mire their success at governance on the ultimate and indispensable goal  
of African unity. To be sure, I think there is merit in African nations  
uniting. But bear with me Suntou and Demba. WE DO NOT WANT PDOIS'  problems commuted 
to the African NATION. End of story.
 
4. The African nation PDOIS hopes for, comprises various peoples  and 
ethnicities with beautiful cultures of celebrations, mournings,  festivities, 
singings, dancings, and prayerful joy. If you do not want  to partake of Gambia's 
myriad cultures, what makes you think you have a  prayer with the Temne of 
SIerraLeone, The AMhara of Ethiopia or of  Jijiga, The Fulani of Niger, the Moors of 
Mauritania, the bedouins of  Sirte, or indeed the Jollof of Kayor??? Are you 
an incorrigible  idiot???? I am not talking about herds of goats and cows. No 
one is  coming after your cows Demba. You need to lighten up a bit. You can 
eat  and make merry with your hosts when you go to them to seek their  votes. OR 
STAY HOME and guard your flock. I don't wanna hear it. And  there is a big 
difference between exploiting your hosts for political  gain and honouring their 
offerings. I'll tell you how to do it in case  you are really interested in 
NOT EXPLOITING YOUR HOSTS. WHo said you  have to sleep with your host's wives 
and steal their cows when you  receive gifts of honour from them??? Let us take 
our minds out of the  gutter and quit maligning fellow citizens for our own 
political gains.  PDOIS needs a total overhaul.
 
5. Halifa, Sidia, & Sam are only responsible for their own  characters and 
values. That cannot be gratuitously commuted to any idiot  by ideological or 
political association. It is time all citizens develop  themselves so that they 
can pull their own weights in political  associations. Thank you. I'm sick o' 
this fosse patronnage and  pretenses. Halifa, Sidia, and Sam do not know that 
where they want to  lead Gambians to is not a healthy place. I know that 
already. Putin  knows that already, Kim Jong IL knows it. Chavez knows it. Gaddafi 
knows  it. Al GOre knows it. Carter knows it. Suntou knows it. Demba knows it  
but only after he gets his share of the "PIE" can he admit it. Why would  you 
wait to gevern an ill-disciplined people inorder to demonstrate your  value? 
That is the question. I mean to be or not to be!
 
Masoud. OK I'm happy again. Just don't get any friggin ideas  Suntou. I can 
get mad again at the flip of a switch. Men that was a  friggin monkey off my 
back. Gotta take the kids to the Zoo. I hear they  have new and exciting animals 
there. Forget the pandas. They look good  and cuddly though. I will not dance 
with other peoples' pandas though. I  will not do it. I shall not be 
embarassed in front of the whole zoo  world. Nokh khonna doit. Thousand points of 
light. Million acts of  indiscriminate good. Turmoil my foot! I say we jail all 
the idiots or  tie them to a baobab tree somewhere. Unless of course they dance 
with  us. Darbo.



 
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