Jabou, It may be worth your while to take Suntou at his word when he claims to engage in honest discourse. If he claims his intentions are good, but you challenge that, the alternate is that you may conclude his intentions are not really good. That leaves you one less man to convince otherwise. And as it seems, you need to convince every last man and woman in Gambia to see things the way you see them. Unless of course you have no interest in convincing Suntou. In which case there will have been very little merit in challenging his intentions. Where is Hon. Halifa when you need him. It is apparent that honest discourse means agreeing with Jabou. What I think is more significant is for Jabou to satisfy herself that she engages in honest discourse, particularly in matters of politics. I regret you are at a loss for words to describe my disposition. I hope you will forgive my ambivalence. Now then to the rest of your notes: [In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:08:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:It is indeed Laye, but brother Suntou of course always insists that his intentiones are always just to engage in honest discourse, and Haruna, well, what can I say? It also never ceases to amaze me that those who keep insisting that Halifa does not have the following to win elections are always the very same ones looking for him alone to take up the responsibility to save the people as well as the same ones who assign a sinister motive to his every move and to find fault with his every action.] Jabou. The fact that enough Gambians have not entrusted Halifa with their votes to make him Leader of Gambia is a given. Duodecennial actuarial data bear that out. Suntou does not have to say that to make it fact. Also, you may be in error when you presumed therefore that Suntou was looking for Halifa alone to take up the responsibility to save the people. What Suntou did (Buharry and Jallow), was share the fact that out of the many Gambians, only Halifa embarked on a fact-finding mission to determine if the newspaper (including Foroyaa) accounts and eyewitness claims were indeed accurate. I am sure it escapes us sometimes that there had been remote controls using Halifa because of his gravitasse and the respect he garners outside of Gambia. Halifa will of course not admit this because he is not that kind of a guy from what little I know of him. But if you ask him nicely, he will produce communication where he was "strongly urged" to initiate such challenge.He had deliberated on it for a while. So Halifa's heart is in the right place. However, the decision to go on a pre-determined fact-finding mission issued from onerous corners. You will agree with me that a more gallant action will have been to lead a demonstration in the streets to show disdain and disgust. And that does not have to be done by Halifa alone. In fact that could have been a coordinated demonstration by all Gambians including APRC partisans. A coordinated demonstration nonetheless. I know Buharry doesn't like demonstrations. I am surprised he endorses the public gatherings Halifa held to share with the people what their constitutional rights are. I want you to know that there is more to the "fact-finding" mission than meets the eye. If you allow Suntou to proceed on his query, you will learn that. Now if you, Halifa, Laye, Evian, The Olfactor, Buharry, Dramane, and Demba were REALLY interested in the welfare of ALL GAMBIANS (not just PDOISard Gambians), which do you think is more effective and wise: 1. A Fact-finding mission by Halifa alone on a foregone conclusion OR 2. A demonstration by Gambians (be they PDOIS, APRC, UDP/NRP [NDP], PPP, GDP, GPDP, GMC)? You're prolly gonna say "Well Gambians will not do that". OK. But what if you work on coordinating that instead of try to yield your party electoral fortunes and end up further alienating yourself from More Gambians. I will submit to you that having tried to coordinate but not yielding a Gambian demonstration is far superior in integrity terms than engage in fact-finding that had already been established by your own paper. What do you think? [The double standard is so blatant, it is mind boggling.] Jabou. So having convinced yourself that Suntou looked for Halifa alone to take up the responsibility to save Gambia and Gambians having acknowledged that Halifa does not have the requisite following to become President of Gambia, you now tag him as purveyor of double standards. I did say life is full of mirages didn't I? You consider your disposition. Do you think you are being honest with yourself much less Suntou? You keep boggling your own minds and portray yourselves as victims of phantom smear campaigns but if you relax a bit and actually consider things, you will ameliorate much of your angst. There was no reason to even engage Suntou on his Oped. It could have been turned into immense opportunities for yourselves. What I cannot participate in is the muzzling of fellow citizens by overwhelming (over-powering) them with equally clueless numbers. What you risk doing is bring out further discernments, some of which you may not have been privy to prior. You see the way PDOIS operates is that there is a cadre of strategists who do not worship Halifa but see him as their conduit to Marina parade. Then there is the cadre who (or their friend or family member) in one way or the other have received assistance or support from PDOIS and are therefore beholden to PDOIS for dear life. Then there is the third but equally virulent cadre who are in ecumenical awe of Halifa's prose and panache for whom Halifa is their religion. These cadres operate in layered pantomime with the glue separating them being an emulsion of Foroyaa and Nyakoo. Some PDOISard once accidentally intimated to me that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing but they still expect you to go along with what the party directive is if you, your friend, or family member has benefitted from the party's generousities prior. I don't expect you to agree with me. [The entire affair is begining to micmic the Republicans and Obama, they are so desperate they do not care to make sense anymore.] Jabou. And you latch onto Obama for attenuated fortunes. The burden of this weight might prove cancerous for Obama. He did caution Africans and African Americans that his election means as much to republicans as it does to democrats and that it must be viewed as inspiration. Just like he did, educate yourself, work hard, be honest amid indiscriminate gaucherie and pannafore, stay true north, and you will succeed. I am reminded that Obama got at least 50% of Americans to entrust him with their votes. No he did not win because of a preponderance of technology or because of his grassroots work alone. He kneaded his persona and associations. Now he can count on his education to solve daunting national problems, not use it to garner numerical advantage on Republicans. So there's no mic-micking. (mimicking). BTW, Obama did a lot with political motives. And there was nothing wrong with that. [There is a reason that Africa will always end up as the foster child of the World.] Jabou. Africa will only end up being a foster child of somebody with Jabou's help. For Jabou will have been somebody's foster child in that scenario. I know there's no greater incentive than personal interest in self-preservation. If being a foster child is really abhorrent to you. [Every time a prospective leader who truely has the interest of the people at heart rears their heads, some of us make it our ardent task to shoot them down in every possible way.] Jabou. I submit he/she will have been determined by the Led to be a prospective leader first, and that their demarche determined to be for commoner good, in order for someone to aim a shoulder-mounted RPG at them. Yahya got us into all this grandstanding for his cluelessness. I mean why arrest someone who claims to be on a fact-finding mission???? I still didn't get it. If you're Yahya, I don't think you will be afraid of the facts of your life because you destroy other folk with such brazen disregard. [However, like the Republicans and Obama, the people are not as stupid as some of us may assume.]Jabou Joh I agree. The independents are not as stupid as we had imagined. I find it amazing that you PDOISards shhot yourselves in the foot everytime simply because you are always at the ready to pounce on harmless fellow citizens. Jesus friggin christ. Settle down. You can actually challenge folk more effectively with less venom. Haruna. Olfactor, excuse me for the tarry. I shall return momentarily. I think I have addressed some of your concerns here. There's something that concerns me though about you; Well, I tried to read all of your notes in this here conversation but I came away with the feeling you say the same thing in all of them but with ever-escalating strength of words. We are not harmful people. In fact we are more like you than different from you. If you say one more time that Halifa told you to speak for yourself and not allow anyone to speak for you, I'll wring your small neck. See you later. MQJGDT. Darbo. -----Original Message----- From: Abdul Jallow <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:36 pm Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next? Sis Jabou: Amazing indeed. See, the naked gym nastics Haruna and Suntu are engaged in is mind juggling indeed. 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