[In a message dated 4/25/2009 4:06:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Haruna, first of all, are you saying that Seriegn Bamba Mbake was a
politician?] Suntou.

YES.

[The little i know of Amadou Bamba doesn't border of politics.]  Suntou.

I encourage you to learn more about Sheikh bamba, his activity, and  his
audience.

[In fact, he did all he could to escape from people surrounding  him and
trying to create a power base for his philosophy.] Suntou.

OK. Suntou, you may begin by defining Politics. Serign Bamba admitted  he
could not define politics. So he could be a politician unawares. He did
endeavour to share with you that politics is not a demarche for  God/Allah's
pleasure if you read him correctly.

[I would agree that, we are all political to some extent,]  Suntou.

I am glad you have now appreciated some politics.

[but i am drawing a line between active politicians, ie those seeking
public office and the average Bala.] Suntou.

Suntou, seeking public office is not politics.  It is a goal. Some people
view it as the best way to harness the desires  of their people through
legislative means. A goal to do  politics.

[Seriegn Bamba although ended up creating a doctrine based on Sufi
thinking, he at best refuse to be attracted to power and its trappings. He  was one
strong Pan-Africanist, although I am a Pan-Gambianist myself.]  Suntou.

You seem to be confusing politics with power and  the fringe benefits of
power. I advise further  reflection. And while you're at the reflection,
consider  this:
PAN-AFRICANIST: The harnessing of desires and  interests of a people of
African suasion for their common good with a  view to take a prospective
African constitution as  guide.
PAN-Gambianist: The harnessing of desires and  interests of a people of
Gambian suasion for their common good taking  the Gambian constitution as guide.

[Thanks for the thought, but remember, the dynasty created on the  legacy
of Sheik Touba have little to do with his thinking and desire.  According
Kaddem Mbacke, Seriegn Touba occasionally hide from those coming  to settle
around him.] Suntou.

You are most welcome. The immediate above is insignificant inasmuch  as our
conversation is concerned.

[Do you think our current politicians will do such, especially when
seeking vote?] Suntou.

I have no idea. I can't discern the thinking of  other. What I do know is
that it is suicidal to shun the people whose  interests and desires you aim
to harness for their commoner good. Suntou,  I know this was not apparent to
you prior, but all religion is politics.  Haruna. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al Mu'Umin.



--- On Fri, 24/4/09, Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sheik Amadou's Bamba's  view on politics
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date:  Friday, 24 April, 2009, 6:42 PM
> [Seriegn Bamba may be right in  that, if one becomes a
> politician, it will
> be difficult to  attain the pleasure of God Almighty. Since
> it evident for
>  all to see the that, lying, double talking, killing,
> corruption,  nepotism,
> lack of care, manipulation, creating wars, false
>  imprisonment all exist today.
> It is imperative therefore, we all  be careful before
> entering into
> politics, yes the glamour  and titles are appealing, but
> the judgment in the
>  hereafter is sure to happen.] Suntou Bolonba Touray.
>
>  Suntou, the question that came to my mind is "should I
> rely on  Sheikh
> Bamba's opinion on Politics or who should engage in  it,
> and how to attain the
> pleasure of God Almighty.?"  Sheikh Bamba, I declare is
> the ultimate
> politician and he  would share as much were he to
> appreciate the meaning of the  word.
>
> Also, Suntou, why do you ascribe all these ills to  politics
> or
> politicians????? Except for lack of care,  which is the
> purview of the care-giver, they
> seem to me to  be crimes to which everyone has equal access
> - politician  or
> no politician. What do you think?
> Haruna.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/24/2009 12:44:00 P.M. Eastern  Daylight
> Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Friday, 24 April 2009
> SERIEGN BAMBA'S THOUGHTS ON  POLITICS
> Once in a conversation with close Friend of mine whilst  at
> high school,
> Seriegn Bamba's view on politics dominated  the talk.
> There was an event
> taking place in Pipeline  area, i believe it was organised
> by PDOIS. The
> discussion  went on to politics and should people in our
> day get involve in  it.
> The bitter truth is that, politics nowadays is seen as  a
> means to get
> material wealth and status. People go into  politics to be
> famous and also earn
> a decent way life. The  Salary for politicians even in poor
> countries is
>  considerable high and the privileges that comes with it is
> even  greater. The
> temptation therefore to be political and seek  public
> office is ever
> attractive. Some may be in it to  change the conditions of
> the people, but what
> means or  methods will they use to achieve that end?
> However, for men and  women of faith, of ethics and
> contemplative mind,
> should  politics be an avenue to seek glory in life?
> The responsibilities  that goes with holding public office
> is very high. In
>  fact, Islam discourages the active seeking of public
> office. Some  jurist
> commented that, "whoever seek public office, do not
>  give it him, rather look
> for the best person amongst you, who is  God fearing and
> upright."
>
> The problem with that  pronouncement is very far reaching
> in our modern
> age.  Democracy is shape such that, you have to present
> yourself to the  people,
> for you be their representative. The doctrine of power  to
> people or lies
> with people act as a leverage for  politicians. If they do
> wrong, they don't
> get elected the  next time they put themselves forward for
> election. In
>  reality, those this work? especially in countries with
> high level  of illiteracy.
>
> The Late famous Senegalese Scholar of the  Sufi order,
> Sheik Amadou Bamba
> or Seriegn Bamba was said  to have once contemplated about
> the legitimacy of
> Muslims  entering politics. I will hasten to add that, i
> have not  come
> across any manuscript that authenticate the claims by
>  Serign Bamba. It was
> Narrate by a man who has serious passion for  Seriegn
> Bamba's life.
> The narration is that, Seriegn Bamba  was asked about the
> validity for one
> engaging in politics.  The answer he gave is very
> controversial and
> difficult for  people in our era to accept. Seriegn Bamba
> writes in Arabic  and
> therefore must have written the word POLITICS in  Arabic
> alphabets. They said
> after attempting to write the  word POLITICS, he
> couldn't find any suitable
> word for the  whole word.
> He tried very hard to find a proper word to no avail.  Then
> he analysed the
> actions and conduct of politicians of  his day combined
> with the inability
> to find suitable words  for POLITICS. He said "the
> decision i will gave is
> hard  based on the fact that, there is no proper word
> available in  spelling
> POLITICS." He went on, "that alone borders on
> the  fact that, this profession
> is not acceptable as it will involve  deception and
> UN-Godly activities".
> As stated earlier, the  verdict of Seriegn Bamba will be
> hard to us today
> to  rationalise, what practice today is, some people get
> together and  form a
> party, Give a name to party, prepare a manifesto, seek  for
> funding and
> register the party. The process includes  selecting a
> leader and an executive
> and thereafter,  commence campaign with beautiful slogans
> and making  numerous
> promises.
>
> The act of presenting a leader  who may have been selected
> by a handful of
> people, all  with ulterior motives, do the people in
> reality have any  say
> who the country's leader should be since all the
>  contending political party
> have nominated their own leader? Do the  people have the
> choice of saying, we
> don't want any of the  leaders, we want a certain
> person to come and rule
>  us?
> Again, will the politician fulfil the promises made to  the
> people? Will
> he/she treat every citizen equally? Will  He/she protect
> the lives of the
> people actively? Will the  politician have any serious
> concern for the people
> he/she  is ruling in terms of well-fare and basic life
> needs? etc.
>
> Seriegn Bamba may be right in that, if one becomes a
>  politician, it will
> be difficult to attain the pleasure of God  Almighty. Since
> it evident for
> all to see the that, lying,  double talking, killing,
> corruption, nepotism,
> lack of  care, manipulation, creating wars, false
> imprisonment all exist  today.
> It is imperative therefore, we all be careful  before
> entering into
> politics, yes the glamour and titles  are appealing, but
> the judgment in the
> hereafter is sure  to happen.
> Suntou Bolonba  Touray

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