Well JDAM, you drive a hard bargain. I have considered and this is what I was able to come up with: Should we entertain such idiocy as SPAM, we may no longer have Ellen. GESO's fortunes or prospects will become ever so dim, notwithstanding the formidable norwegians and great Danes in CamaraLaye and Absjorn. I plead with you to reconsider your amicus for Dramane. At least require some remorse-laden apology and promise to reconnoitre true north. Absent that, one problem you could envisage is [what will be my position should another coleague engage in SPAM]. Will our host entertain such idiocy ad-infinitum. With you, thank God I don't have to worry about comprehensions of material genuflection. Alas, I cannot yield on my position on Dramane absent an apology to Listmanagers and our host and a promise not to repeat the onerous activity. If that means my invitation to commune with you at GESO will find the dust-bin, I will have been the major loser. And I will settle for your company at Ellen. Haruna. In a message dated 4/24/2009 6:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Haruna Same as to Malanding I may consider joining conversations around GESO only after you accept the growing consensus that Drammeh, and Yanks should be reinstated to full membership of the "L" community. Even here, your fate lies in two Norwegian hands. In the interim, your invitation lies in the pending tray. LJDarbo --- On Thu, 23/4/09, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Justice for Muhammed Drammeh To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 3:28 PM JDAM, I am awake even when I'm asleep. I'm like Yahya on that score. And I can't believe you're crying about "INJUSTICE" for Dramane. Like you, I cherish freedom of speech and expression no matter how perverse. Because perversity itself is a matter of perception. No it is not about Dramane's right to the cherished freedoms. Dramane has gone over that bound when he started sending multiple identical salvos all trained on insulting a singular person Ousainou, the leader of a majority party in Gambia. Dramane was not accusing Ousainou of a crime or sharing his thoughts about a crime Ousainou committed. Dramane was engaged in SPAM, a violation of Ellen's code of conduct and therefore risks denying the rest of us realising a modicum of value from Ellen. Ellen is not Posten. I encourage Dramane to go back to Posten where he began his witch-hunting via SPAM. I am not sure Posten will condone that activity. I could be mistaken however. Nevertheless, Dramane seemed to begin by soliciting views on Ousainou's person. That effort ever so surreptitiously transmogrified into brazen insults and SPAM in total disregard to the rights of others to peaceably enjoy Ellen. Ellen is no place for SPAM. So even if Dr. Jaiteh did not de-list Dramane, I am confident Ellen's listserv and host will discontinue the honour of providing the generous service for us. Ellen is not property of PDOISdrones JDAM. And how could my name come up in your search for a watchman???? Do I look like a nocturnal herbivore???? Please. You disappoint me. And Mali or no Mali, I am always friggin awake. I couldn't care less if Dramane is watchman. I do not think he possesses the requisite acumen of the vrai Watchman. You sell the Watchman short on that score. Who is to say you're not the Watchman??? Nay, you are too honourable for banter of lowly creatures. May we add you to the GESO revival team conversation???? Pretty please?? Haruna. In a message dated 4/23/2009 4:50:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Malangding I know even our Malian friend - unless he is the elusive Watchman who just ran off that insufferable Ethiopian apologist for tyranny in The Gambia - must be in the very early hours of the US day, and as such, I do not expect a response for several hours. By the way, Haruna was suggested as a candidate, but his temperament, specialism, and dictum appears different from that of the Watchman, with the latter's milieu covering the broad sweep of western history from Antiquity, through the Renaissance, and Enlightenment, to the modern day democratic citadels where the refinements of those ideas are being continually practicalsied in the political realm. I don't suppose you know The Watchman, but let us know if you have any ideas who s/he is. Back to Drammeh, and the subject matter of this query. Is Drammeh's problem one of posting quota, as Mr Mali regularly cries about, or is he suspended/delisted for his views on Ousainou Darboe? If the latter, I urge you to reconvene yourself, or the pertinent Committee, and reinstate his rights. We won't be a complete society without embracing all shades of view, and contrary to my respected political activist - Mballow - conversations around national issues should be as vigorous as possible. No matter how hurtful they may be, I reject the notion that serious national efforts are likely to collapse from the weight of a few verbal salvos. In any case, Drammeh met his match in Yanks, and I am angry at you for taking away a deevloping entertainment. Please reconsider your decision on Drammeh. May be he knows The Watchman who drove the proxy Gambian, Dida Halake, from online Gambia. LJDarbo --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Baba Galleh Jallow <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Justice for Muhammed Drammeh To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 4:32 PM Dear Mr. Drammeh, Yesterday I expressed the fact that I do not wish to get involved in your debate or the controversy surrounding it. Only the Gambi-L managers can help you out. I hope you understand my position. Thanks. Baba ____________________________________ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:17:31 -0700 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Justice for Muhammed Drammeh To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] CC: [log in to unmask] Dear All, Can you interven so that I can send my contributions to the L? I have been denied that opportunity by the list managers. Please help!!!!!! 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