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At-faddal. Haruna.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM, <[log in to unmask]
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Evian, it may come as a shock to you but I happen to concur with the
Olfactor's sentiments below. Could it be that all of us are talking about the
same things and we cannot bring ourselves to see it for partisan bantanbilly
sakes? Well consider this:
Haruna: Halifa, by dint of his proprietorship of PDOIS' party Organ
Foroyaa, and his leadership of PDOIS, AND as a respectable participant in the
Pan-African Parliament, has added umph in prosecuting the legislative life of
Gambia. Halifa takes advantage of the umphs to maximise PDOIS' electoral
fortunes. (Nothing bad about that mind you Evian. What is friggin disgusting
is to lie about it and insult our other leaders by comparing them to
Halifa. Now who is the dumb witch and congenital liar? Evian I think you have a
better perspective of my notes variously.)
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Haruna:
See there you go again making an orbit round the solar system. Anyways,
what I discern from your gibberish is that in analysing Ousainou's decision to
cower into the embassy, we should give him the benefit of doubt and bear
in mind that his decision was "private" and was based on considerations for
"his" personal "welfare" and in the spirit of democracy and peace.
For Halifa's decision to get in the line of fire to find out facts about
reports of witch hunting was "both a calculated attempt to yield PDOIS
attenuated fortunes and a concern for the human rights of his fellow
citizens...." I assume your emphasis is on Halifa's purported motive to "yield PDOIS
attenuated fortunes" since that is the first in your list of reasons for his
action. How do you reconcile the inference that when Ousainou decided, it
was for the good of the country but when Halifa decided, it was for
political gains?
Did it ever hit your knucklehead that in fact the reverse inference is the
truth about Halifa's decision in that he leveraged his political position
(PDOIS attenuated fortunes) editorial responsibility and Pan African
connections to get in the line of fire in order to highlight and portend to the
rest of the world that what was going on in Gambia is wrong and should be
stopped? Do you see the hypocricy in your insinuations?
Please let me continue to be an idiot for my own sanity.
Buharry is nice, Sis Jabou is nice, Bailo, so so.... Mboge, is on fire.
So, let me be the idiot for now.
Tell your uncle/nephew Suntou that if he ever needs instructions to
"buruburu" (skin) a "dirimo" or "kerengo" to call me. I used to be an expert in
that field; believe it or not.
-Abdoulie
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, <[log in to unmask]
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OK, I got it here Laye. You're right the question must have been lost in
the shuffle. Thanks for burying it again here. What is wrong with yew?
[I asked Haruna to reconcile his stance on Ousainou's 1996 decision to
that of his insinuation that Halifa's move against the witch hunting debacle
was political grandstanding; we lost that answer somewhere in the traffic
jam.] Laye.
I'm not sure I understand the query. These are my shortcomings:
1. What is my stance on Ousainou's 1996 decision (I suppose you refer to
Ousainou's decision) to seek refuge in his neighbour, the Senegalese
Embassy). In response to Dramane's witch-hunting, I proposed that Ousainou's
decision was private and based on advice from his party associates who were
concerned about his welfare. And that votes were already cast, and were being
counted. This tells me that he ought not be out and about anyway for
democracy's sakes. However and FYI, I cannot have a position on the personal
decision of other regarding their welfare. That will have been presumptuous of
me. I share here my verbatim response to Dramane:
2. I did NOT INSINUATE that Halifa's "Fact-finding" expedition was
political grandstanding. If I ever mentioned grandstanding it was in reference to
Evian, Olfactor, Jabou, Dramane, Laye, et al's posturings and attempted
intimidation of Suntou. What I did say about Halifa's demarche was that it was
both a calculated attempt to yield PDOIS attenuated fortunes and a concern
for the human rights of his fellow citizens of Sintet and Makumbaya. A
confluence of ideas, which but for Suntou's atrophied expedition, risks being
one big haze of listless mirages.
In my opinion, and when Halifa himself was arrested for his expeditions
(whether you agree with the process or politic of it), Halifa's human right
now trumps any calculus. Now after Halifa's release, and the subsequent
withdrawal of the cockamayme charges by an uncouth and clueless prosecutor, IT
IS PARAMOUNT TO FOCUS ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE FOLK OF SINTET, MAKUMBAYA,
and the other 2/3 villages and communities where WITCH-HUNTING WAS BEING
CARRIED OUT.
WHAT DOES this mean Laye? It means that instead of pouncing on Suntou for
nought, and now that Halifa has been released and all erroneous charges
have been dropped, the NEXT STEP, is perhaps to seek redress for the victims
(All of Them) of the witch-hunting saga AND Halifa's wrongful arrest,
detention, and attendant abrogation of rights of his family and friends to see
him while in detention. DO YOU BY CHANCE GET THIS?? Why does Suntou's query
of Halifa's motives TRUMP the immediate above in
significance?????????????????
Would that not BETRAY THE MOTIVES OF HALIFA's REMOTE-CONTROL IF NOT HALIFA
HIMSELF??????? Would it were not for your gesticulations, and muscling of
Suntou into submission and the casual abrogation of his right to free
speech and expression, The SELFLESSNESS part of HALIFA's EXPEDITION could have
overwhelmed any interest-peddling he may have been engaged in. AND, the
fruits of his loves' labours could have been on their merry ways to ripening.
IN OTHER WORDS, LIFE IN GAMBIA, OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD, DOES NOT STOP
WHEN HALIFA's MOTIVES ARE QUESTIONED. DO YOU GET IT NOW??????? GOOD. THAT
IS INSIGNIFICANT AND MINISCULE COMPARED TO THE COOMONER RELIEF THE
FACT-FINDING ITSELF COULD YIELD. WHETHER OR NOT THE FACT-FINDING WAS SINCERE,
HONEST, POLITICAL, or short on PROPRIETY. SO STOP THE IDIOCY AND RECONNOITRE FOR
VALUE-LIFE.
Haruna.
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Haruna said:
"The spirit of democracy (Peace is not a consideration of mine at
thiis time), requires all protagonists to NOT hold partisan
gatherings, meetings, communion, or be present at any polling precinct
unless they are themselves polling agents or return officers (which is
highly unlikely) as the popular will is being discerned. So neither
Yahya, nor Ousainou, nor Hamat, nor OJ, nor Halifa, nor Waa, nor
Hassan Musa, nor Sherriff Dibba, ought to be holding partisan
gatherings, meetings, communion, or be present at any polling precinct
unless they are themselves polling agents or return officers (which is
highly unlikely). Given the atmospherics of the election in 1996, all
the protagonists are advised to attenuate calm and to act according to
the needs of their welfare."[Haruna]
I will pardon your selective amnesia to remind you, even if you are
fully conscious, of the fact that no one is talking about why Ousainou
did not go out in the streets when ballots were being counted. To
suggest that would indicate gross ignorance on our part. Let me make
it clear that I understand and appreciate the personal sacrifice of
all opposition political leaders including Ousainou, Hamat, Waa, Sidia
and Halifa. How much further sacrifice they will make of their freedom
and be steadfast in their conscience in reaction to the trappings of
indecent dehumanization of the Gambian folks is where the difference
lies between Halifa and Ousainou notwithstanding shortcomings of
either. For you to suggest that anyone expected Ousainou to venture
out in the streets when it is ill-advised and illegal to do so is
another example of your deliberate distortion and deceitful tactics.
"The order of itemized thought has little or no bearing on precedence
or emphasis. You will be found wanting were you to use this method in
your school text books. The reason why I had that first was because
the extant conversation and the strongarming of Suntou regarded a
complex that presumes Suntou's intentions.
I therefore consider both items equally emphasized, their order
notwithstanding."[Haruna]
I can only assume what you were thinking when you wrote what you wrote
and will have to discern your intent in the order in which you present
your ideas. This is a well proven method in analyzing written
communications in my line of work. There is a reason why communication
experts follow this same rule in discerning intent or hidden clues as
to the presenter’s state of mind. I am not therefore surprised that
you have instinctively resorted to dismiss my observation and further
resorted into distorting my reaction to Suntou as “strong arming.”
Again that is very typical of deceitful intent or deliberate
misinformation.
"Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou's person
just like Gambia was not directly affected by the arrest of Halifa."
[Haruna]
Are you serious about this statement?
"Therefore, it is non-sequitur to presume Gambia's good or bad in the
private demarche of political personalities.” [Haruna]
This is yet another deliberate distortion of the facts surrounding
this discussion. You can dismiss Halifa’s intent to find the truth
about reports of witch-hunting as a “private demarche” but you fully
understand there were social and political implications
notwithstanding the deliberate abrogation of thousands of Gambians’
human and civil rights. Likewise, Ousainou’s decision to seek refuge
at the Senegalese embassy - let’s assume for a second - to avoid
political mayhem in the heat of elections. To dismiss such exercise as
a “private demarche of political personalities” shows yet another
example of deliberate distortion of extant deceit. And you keep
contradicting yourself even as you carefully maneuver your way into
the delicate craft of deliberate and deceitful intent.
First you said: “Gambia was not directly affected by the threat to
Ousainou's person just like Gambia was not directly affected by the
arrest of Halifa." [Haruna]
Then turned around and said:
“However, what is of interest to Gambia's good or bad or Gambians are
the following:
1) the threat on Ousainou's person that warranted his cautionary decision.
2) the illegal arrest of Halifa and denial of visitation of his family
and friends.
3) The witch-hunting exercise against Gambian citizens of all the
affected communities.
4) The forced consumption of concoctions which could be detrimental to
their health and welfare.
5) The conduct of state officials in rendering aid and comfort to the
witch-hunters.[Haruna]
I wonder how “the threat on Ousainou’s person” or “the illegal arrest
of Halifa” will be of “interest to Gambia’s good or bad” if “Gambia
was not directly affected by the threat to Ousainou’s person….”
How would you reconcile these conflicting positions if not for
deliberate misinformation and or deceitful intent?
‘WHen Halifa decided to go on a "fact-finding" mission, it was both
political and conscientious. The political became immaterial to me
when the idiot Yahya decided to arrest Halifa. I still cannot fathom
why Yahya made that value-less decision. If it were me myself and I, I
will not have arrested Halifa. In fact I will have encouraged all
Gambia to go on a fact-finding mission of their own. Because I would
want to know if we have enemies of the state masquerading as
witch-hunters and to what extent agents of the state security or
enablers are involved.”[Haruna]
What I can infer from the above is that you’re more upset about the
mistakes Yahya made subsequent to the witch-hunting saga than you are
of the deliberate abrogation of the innocent Gambian’s dignified right
to exist, of which Halifa was more concerned hence his actions. You
purposely present yourself herein as if you are not aware - like
everyone in Gambia in and beyond – that Yahya himself sanctioned the
whole witch-hunting exercise. Again, deliberate, intentional,
malignant and purposeful deception! (too many adjectives..i know)
“Attenuated fortunes for PDOIS imply fortune other than extant value.
So Halifa's position in PDOIS is not part of PDOIS' attenuated
fortunes. To attenuate is to enhance, amplify, accentuate.”[Haruna]
No Haruna: You either honestly, unfortunately do not know the meaning
of the word “attenuate” as you used it in your sarcasm of Halifa’s
efforts or you are deliberately misrepresenting the actual meaning of
the word to suit your deceitful intent. I purposely quoted your use of
the word “attenuate” to highlight your deceitful intent in belittling
Halifa’s effort vis-à-vis PDOIS political gains therein. To clarify
what I am saying, here is the true and official meaning of the word
“attenuate” and you tell me if you are being honest in your intent or
not: To lessen the amount, force, or value of; to make less complex;
to weaken.
“Halifa's editorial responsibility is the purview of PDOIS party organ
Foroyaa. And it would make sense to use a party organ to yield the
party attenuated fortunes would it not Laye?”[Haruna]
The above quote emphasizes your deliberate intent or apparent
ignorance in the use of the word “attenuate.” Which is it Haruna? Are
you ignorant or are you being deliberately deceitful?
-Laye
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