Haruna, first of all, are you saying that Seriegn Bamba Mbake was a politician?] Suntou.

 

YES.

 

[The little i know of Amadou Bamba doesn't border of politics.] Suntou.

 

I encourage you to learn more about Sheikh bamba, his activity, and his audience.

 

[In fact, he did all he could to escape from people surrounding him and trying to create a power base for his philosophy.] Suntou.

 

OK. Suntou, you may begin by defining Politics. Serign Bamba admitted he could not define politics. So he could be a politician unawares. He did endeavour to share with you that politics is not a demarche for God/Allah's pleasure if you read him correctly.

 

[I would agree that, we are all political to some extent,] Suntou.

 

I am glad you have now appreciated some politics.

 

[but i am drawing a line between active politicians, ie those seeking public office and the average Bala.] Suntou.

 

 

[Seriegn Bamba although ended up creating a doctrine based on Sufi thinking, he at best refuse to be attracted to power and its trappings. He was one strong Pan-Africanist, although I am a Pan-Gambianist myself.] Suntou.

 

 

[Thanks for the thought, but remember, the dynasty created on the legacy of Sheik Touba have little to do with his thinking and desire. According Kaddem Mbacke, Seriegn Touba occasionally hide from those coming to settle around him.] Suntou.

 

You are most welcome. The immediate above is insignificant inasmuch as our conversation is concerned.

 

[Do you think our current politicians will do such, especially when seeking vote?] Suntou.

 

--- On Fri, 24/4/09, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Sheik Amadou's Bamba's view on politics
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 6:42 PM
> [Seriegn Bamba may be right in that, if one becomes a
> politician, it will
> be difficult to attain the pleasure of God Almighty. Since
> it evident for
> all to see the that, lying, double talking, killing,
> corruption, nepotism,
> lack of care, manipulation, creating wars, false
> imprisonment all exist today.
> It is imperative therefore, we all be careful before
> entering into
> politics, yes the glamour and titles are appealing, but
> the judgment in the
> hereafter is sure to happen.] Suntou Bolonba Touray.
>
> Suntou, the question that came to my mind is "should I
> rely on Sheikh
> Bamba's opinion on Politics or who should engage in it,
> and how to attain the
> pleasure of God Almighty.?" Sheikh Bamba, I declare is
> the ultimate
> politician and he would share as much were he to
> appreciate the meaning of the word.
>
> Also, Suntou, why do you ascribe all these ills to politics
> or
> politicians????? Except for lack of care, which is the
> purview of the care-giver, they
> seem to me to be crimes to which everyone has equal access
> - politician or
> no politician. What do you think?
> Haruna.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/24/2009 12:44:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Friday, 24 April 2009
> SERIEGN BAMBA'S THOUGHTS ON POLITICS
> Once in a conversation with close Friend of mine whilst at
> high school,
> Seriegn Bamba's view on politics dominated the talk.
> There was an event
> taking place in Pipeline area, i believe it was organised
> by PDOIS. The
> discussion went on to politics and should people in our
> day get involve in it.
> The bitter truth is that, politics nowadays is seen as a
> means to get
> material wealth and status. People go into politics to be
> famous and also earn
> a decent way life. The Salary for politicians even in poor
> countries is
> considerable high and the privileges that comes with it is
> even greater. The
> temptation therefore to be political and seek public
> office is ever
> attractive. Some may be in it to change the conditions of
> the people, but what
> means or methods will they use to achieve that end?
> However, for men and women of faith, of ethics and
> contemplative mind,
> should politics be an avenue to seek glory in life?
> The responsibilities that goes with holding public office
> is very high. In
> fact, Islam discourages the active seeking of public
> office. Some jurist
> commented that, "whoever seek public office, do not
> give it him, rather look
> for the best person amongst you, who is God fearing and
> upright."
>
> The problem with that pronouncement is very far reaching
> in our modern
> age. Democracy is shape such that, you have to present
> yourself to the people,
> for you be their representative. The doctrine of power to
> people or lies
> with people act as a leverage for politicians. If they do
> wrong, they don't
> get elected the next time they put themselves forward for
> election. In
> reality, those this work? especially in countries with
> high level of illiteracy.
>
> The Late famous Senegalese Scholar of the Sufi order,
> Sheik Amadou Bamba
> or Seriegn Bamba was said to have once contemplated about
> the legitimacy of
> Muslims entering politics. I will hasten to add that, i
> have not come
> across any manuscript that authenticate the claims by
> Serign Bamba. It was
> Narrate by a man who has serious passion for Seriegn
> Bamba's life.
> The narration is that, Seriegn Bamba was asked about the
> validity for one
> engaging in politics. The answer he gave is very
> controversial and
> difficult for people in our era to accept. Seriegn Bamba
> writes in Arabic and
> therefore must have written the word POLITICS in Arabic
> alphabets. They said
> after attempting to write the word POLITICS, he
> couldn't find any suitable
> word for the whole word.
> He tried very hard to find a proper word to no avail. Then
> he analysed the
> actions and conduct of politicians of his day combined
> with the inability
> to find suitable words for POLITICS. He said "the
> decision i will gave is
> hard based on the fact that, there is no proper word
> available in spelling
> POLITICS." He went on, "that alone borders on
> the fact that, this profession
> is not acceptable as it will involve deception and
> UN-Godly activities".
> As stated earlier, the verdict of Seriegn Bamba will be
> hard to us today
> to rationalise, what practice today is, some people get
> together and form a
> party, Give a name to party, prepare a manifesto, seek for
> funding and
> register the party. The process includes selecting a
> leader and an executive
> and thereafter, commence campaign with beautiful slogans
> and making numerous
> promises.
>
> The act of presenting a leader who may have been selected
> by a handful of
> people, all with ulterior motives, do the people in
> reality have any say
> who the country's leader should be since all the
> contending political party
> have nominated their own leader? Do the people have the
> choice of saying, we
> don't want any of the leaders, we want a certain
> person to come and rule
> us?
> Again, will the politician fulfil the promises made to the
> people? Will
> he/she treat every citizen equally? Will He/she protect
> the lives of the
> people actively? Will the politician have any serious
> concern for the people
> he/she is ruling in terms of well-fare and basic life
> needs? etc.
>
> Seriegn Bamba may be right in that, if one becomes a
> politician, it will
> be difficult to attain the pleasure of God Almighty. Since
> it evident for
> all to see the that, lying, double talking, killing,
> corruption, nepotism,
> lack of care, manipulation, creating wars, false
> imprisonment all exist today.
> It is imperative therefore, we all be careful before
> entering into
> politics, yes the glamour and titles are appealing, but
> the judgment in the
> hereafter is sure to happen.
> Suntou Bolonba Touray