[From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:12 am Subject: Re: Evian. The people who matter for Palestine have now reacted to Netanyahu's speech. Haruna, You opined earlier that: "That speech by Netanyahu does not advance the two-state solutiuon.Netanyahu gave an impassioned speech to the people of Israel and demonstrated his willingness for more autonomy for the Palestinian people in matters of culture and religion. This is not the same as moving expeditiously toward a Palestinian state."] Opined by Haruna. Represented by Evian. [Subsequently, you shared with us a BBC report stating that: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in a major policy speech, accepted the creation of a Palestinian state but only if it was demilitarised.] Interpretation of Netanyahu's speech by BBC reporter. Represented by Evian. [If for the first time the PM of Israel have accepted the creation of a Palestinian State,] Evian. Prime Minister Netanyahu, by his speech, did not accept nor endorse the extant two-state solution. Evian I want you to be very careful here. You are taking the BBC reporter's interpretation as Netanyahu's position. This is where discernments come in. I only offered the BBC news report to afford you more perspective on what PALESTINIANS think of Netanyahu's speech. Not what the BBC reporter or editor thinks about it. That is inconsequential and can be misleading. It may be valuable to review the two-state solution and then read Netanyahu's speech again, unedited . [does that acceptance not therefore in any way advance the two-state solution?] Evian. This is what I was afraid of Evian. Netanyahu did not accept nor endorse The TWO-STATE solution. Be very careful. [I think it does but you may still think otherwise.] Evian. No No No. Its not what you think or what I think in this instance. It is what Netanyahu says and means and what Palestinians think of what Netanyahu means. Remember the agreement will have to be ratified by these two parties and as much as you and I wish and desire, we are not terribly significant to the agreement. So it is important we educate ourselves on the detail before we unduly malign goodwill for the effort. Just read Netanyahu's speech again and share with us what he said. Not what you or the BBC reporter THINK he said. [However, Nethanyahu's pre-conditions for the establishment of a Palestinian State are outrightly unacceptable to those that matter most.] Evian. That is why it is self-evident that Netanyahu is not advancing the two-state solution. It was a play on words and an appeasement speech for his coalition government in Israel. It had nothing to do with the creation of a CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state. [That's what negotiations ought to resolve.] Evian. Evian, certain things are non-negotiable. two of those are a Palestinian State and an Israeli state. Now some things are negotiable like the process of cease and desist on the settlements and the regime of security for the state of Israel given her inord inately hostile and belligerent neighbours. So be careful what you begin to negotiate for. Now I want to ask you a question: If Israel engages in settlements because of natural growth, do you think Mali affording Israel 100,000 hectares for the establishment of Malisrael can help in ameliorating that need for the people of Israel and at the same time remove some obstacle to a two-state solution? I want you to consider that Mali has gifted 100,000 hectares to Libya when Gaddafi requested it to "develop North Mali Agriculture". This was before we learned bahanga was accorded asylum in a cottage in South Libya. Even if you don't think a prospective Malisrael is a good idea, do you think a land-grant to Israel, either by Misera, Jordan, Sooriyya, or Sa'oudiyya could relieve natural growth pressures of Israel and replace them with Palestinian natural growth? Don't rush to answer this question. Think about it a bit. It is more profound than it seems. [The direct descendant of Prophet Abraham could only co-exist in peace if justice prevails between them.] Evian. I should think so Evian. For any descendants of any family for that matter. Peaceful Co-existence is only possible when mutually recognizable justice prevails among them. [I now share the same status with most Palestinians. My choice.] Evian. What're you talking about??? Why do you speaking in tongues when you speak with me. How do you share the same status as Palestinians??? And how would that be your choice??? Evian are you alright??? ? I thought you'd be in Nzerekore by now but information I'm getting from there is that you haven't made it there yet? What's going on men??? Talk to me. And don't speak in tongues with me. Or just sanitize the info thru JDAM Wandifaa. I don't want to miss significant clues for your pannafore. Haruna. Now go away and help support Mali's offensive against armed idiots. I don't wanna hear another word from you about Netanyahu except to answer the questions I posed to you on the matter. I will expect you to speak on Mali's war against Al-Qaa'Ida bandits. Bailo --- On Mon, 15/6/09, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Evian. The people who matter for Palestine have now reacted to Netanyahu's speech. To: [log in to unmask] Date: Monday, 15 June, 2009, 2:25 PM Tell me what you think now. Haruna. Courtesy BBC News. Palestinians dismiss Israel plan Benjamin Netanyahu: 'No-one in Israel wants war' Palestinians have rejected the Israeli prime minister's conditions for a two-state solution, saying he has "paralysed" the peace process. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in a major policy speech, accepted the creation of a Palestinian state but only if it was demilitarised. Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's spokesman said his comments challenged Palestinian, Arab and US positions. But the US said Mr Netanyahu's stance was an "important step forward". In a landmark speech, weeks after US P resident Barack Obama urged him to agree a two-state plan, Mr Netanyahu said the Palestinians must accept Israel as a Jewish state. He said a Palestinian state must have no army, no control of its air space and no way of smuggling in weapons. The peace process has been moving at the speed of a tortoise. Tonight, Netanyahu has flipped it over on its back Saeb Erekat, Palestinian negotiator His speech provoked anger among Palestinian officials. Mr Abbas's spokesman Nabil Abu Rdainah said: "Netanyahu's remarks have sabotaged all initiatives, paralysed all efforts being made and challenges the Palestinian, Arab and American positions," Reuters news agency reported. Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said the speech "closed the door to permanent status negotiations". "We ask the world not to be fooled by his use of the term Palestinian state because he qualified it. "He declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel, said refugees would not be negotiated and that settlements would remain." Tim Franks, BBC News, Jerusalem Benjamin Netanyahu has shifted. He has used the word "state", when it comes to Palestinian self-rule. In another deeper sense, though, there has been no shift. Mr Netanyahu's closest aides have been saying for months that they have two over-arching pre-conditions: a public Palestinian acceptance of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, and a complete demilitarisation of any20future Palestinian entity. And Mr Netanyahu tersely dismissed the US call for an end to settlement expansion: these people have to live, he said. He described them as "pioneers" and "principled". This is a speech which will shore up the prime minister's position within his right-wing coalition. It is, whatever you think of the rights and wrongs of it, a powerful forehand deep into the back court of the Americans. It will be fascinating to see when and how the Americans return the ball. Mr Erekat added: "The peace process has been moving at the speed of a tortoise. Tonight, Netanyahu has flipped it over on its back." In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri described the speech as "racist" and called on Arab nations to "form stronger opposition" towards Israel. But the White House called the policy outline an "important step forward", as did French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner. A White House statement said Mr Obama "believes this solution can and must ensure both Israel's security and the fulfilment of the Palestinians' legitimate aspirations for a viable state, and he welcomes Prime Minister Netanyahu's endorsement of that goal". The BBC's Sarah Morris in Washington says Mr Netanyahu's comments have provided a lot of encouragement to the White House, but it is uncertain whether they will be enough given the Israeli prime minister's refusal to budge on the issue of Jewish settlements. The statement made no mention of Mr Netanyahu's demilitarisation caveat. A potential20stumbling block in any future peace deal - that of settlements - also went unmentioned in the statement, our correspondent adds. 'Collision course' In his own keynote Middle East speech in Cairo on 4 June, Mr Obama stressed that he wanted all settlement activity to stop. But Mr Netanyahu said settlers were not "enemies of peace" and did not move from his position of backing "natural growth" in existing settlements. Former US President Jimmy Carter warned that the US and Israeli governments would be on a "collision course" if Israeli settlement activity continued in the West Bank. The settlers group Yesha condemned Mr Netanyahu's speech: "We deplore that the prime minister has agreed to the creation of a demilitarised Palestinian state after he has said for years that such a state, even demilitarised, would be a threat to Israel." 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