Here comes a more religious idiot; Haruiner, I really understand your point and I have to admit, everyone is entitled to their on opinion whether or not is accepted by others. I also think the same way because it seems it is the same kind of politic the west imposed on us that we still cannot free ourselves from. Earlier, I insist on the fact that Bamba and Tejania religions could be the one God created for black Muslims hence with those, we will feel more accepted and welcome than Arab's religion that have once enslave us and still do not recognised us like the white people do. Somalia and other Muslim countries had and still having problems, how many Islamic countries took greater amount of refugees or helping them financially than the west did and still doing? If we however, believed everything in this world is created by God and we also believe that God is never mistaking in His creation, we should also believe whatever God creates is meant to be use by human and any other created; if not, it will not be created. It is human who is always mistaking by over doing things to harm themselves on the process. Ok it could also be that it was shaytaan who demanded the creation to does forbidding thing as a tools of power to influence others in avoiding to be in hell fire alone. Then again if God accepted that for-example; He is creating competition for Himself because every creation wanted to be love by the creator therefore The Creator should prevent and disallow others to take advantage or make full of His or Her Creations He gave us eyes to look at his creations and thank Him for their created, anything that God don't want us to see will not be created why because He LOVE us even He knows we don't love ourselves by not using our brains and senses to make limitation in consuming His created. Is there a hidden agenda that God said about black people they don't want us to know? In the Quran, there is nothing sinister or suspicious everything is clearly written but contradicted with the action of the Arab people towards black people. From these arguments, I came to a conclusion that all religion are the same with one God of different names. We are made to be dictators through the religions principles whereby many families will never let their children and wives to have voice in decision makings, we were enslaved through religions whereby you have to accept what is written in Quraan or Bible and their hadiths without complaining to avoid going to hell fire. I Believe in God but still have doubt on the religions. some will argue that (how can you believe in God's assistance and fail to believe His words)? I will respond how can I know they are the true words from God; if God is changing the world yet the systems stay the same. Edie --- On Sun, 28/6/09, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Daily Hadith: Avoiding Argumentation To: [log in to unmask] Date: Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 4:25 AM Muslim lawyers are screwed then. JDAM are a musling??? Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. Wait a minute. What did RasuluLLaah say about those who argue when they are right or wrong? Or those who argue for the indigenct of law? And how do you know you're wrong or right anyway??? I need some explanations from this Tirmidhi guy. And what I waan know is "Is Paradise beach located on the edge, in the middle, or at the apex (crater beach)? Thanx again Bilal for sharing. These people screw us over and then tell us we can't argue with them. I know. Just like the other day, I was engaged in a heated conversation with a Musling. He tells me Muhammad is the seal of prophets. That no other prophet will come after Muhammad. I told him that's easy for Muslims to say. I told him we have our own prophets in Gambia and the US and we continue to have them. Don't get me wrong Muhammad is a good guy, but I'm sure Muhammad didn't tell these knuckleheads that he were a prophet for all the world. None of the other prophets said that either. They knew the limits of their influences. And Muhammad's core teachings are those of modesty. I have completed design of a way for Gambians to pray should they wish to worship Allah that way. I will develop prayers to go along with it that can be translated into all the languages of the world including Arabic and English. The prayer, to be done twice a day (break of dawn and at dusk), includes an array of Kalistenics. I shall sh are it here in due course. I received it from God/Allah in a dream. Haruna. Limaa baina yadayya min thawraati wamubashira, birasoolin Ya'Atee min ba'adee Asmuhu Ahmad, Falammaa Jaa'Ahum bilbayyinaati, Khaaloo haathaa Sihrun Mubeenun. I know they were'nt relying on this. -----Original Message----- From: Edi Jah <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:20 pm Subject: Fwd: Daily Hadith: Avoiding Argumentation Avoiding Argumentation Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Whoever does not argue when he is in the wrong will have a home built for him on the edge of Paradise. Whoever avoids it when he in the right will have a home built for him in the middle of Paradise. And whoever improves his own character, a home will be built for him in the highest part of Paradise.� [Tirmidhi] Arguing with people is strongly discouraged in Islam. We are to state our point of view and then leave it at that. Nor are we to involve ourselves in matters that do not affect a person’s deen. Note that a person is to shun argument whether he is in the right or whether his stand is wrong. Both get houses built for them in Paradise. But since the person who knows that he is right finds i t more difficult to leave the argument and let things be, he/she is promised a greater reward. Arguing with people rarely gets anyone to change their minds. It usually only produces defensiveness and creates ill feelings between people. The issue becomes a matter of one’s ego and makes it more difficult for a person to change their stance. 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