Juan C., Indeed I was aware of the commutation of clan/bani conflicts to Europe, Asia, and America. And conversely of tribal conflict from Europe Asia, and America, to Africa and Australia. These are tentacles of the same malaise and are not restricted to Somali culture. The tribes of Caesar and Quraish prosecuted their conflicts similarly. Thanx for sharing the dynamics. Some months ago, NPR did a wonderful report on the Minnesota-Somalia link. You may find it instructive. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:01 am Subject: Re: Violence in Mogadishu forces SOS children's village to close for the second time in 18 months. http://www.startribune.com/local/50588512.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiacyKUHDYaGEP7eyckcUr http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/article/2008/10/22/man-charged-murder-somali-mall-shooting.html I thought these links above might interest you and readers. These Somalis needs to restore c'sense in their heads. later, yj On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Jan Carlos, I was just sitting here looking at the far side of this clan/bani issue. It occured to me that without the clan/bani distinctions, foreign occupation of Somalia is not readily discernible. Or secession from Ethipia. So maybe that's what keeps the conflicts raging. Like the Tuaregs and Salafists. Tribalism yields similar mirages. Think about it deeper. Haruna. BTW this is not just ifying clan/bani-ism. On the contrary, it supports your anxieties and frustrations with Somalia. Wait till you finish thinking about it. Love ya. -----Original Message----- From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Violence in Mogadishu forces SOS children's village to close for the second time in 18 months. Bro Haruna, The case for these Somalis is a sympathetic one. Close to half a million of them live in my neighborhood. I have had good friends among them I must tell you, but their case is pitiful, because they all speak the same language and share the same religion (estimate 100%) but their problem is only "clan" issue, the kind they call "Bani"/ the decendants of so and so. While I disagree with foreign occupation of any sort on their land, they should do away with their clan issue. They are not fighting a just war, and they will pay the prices of those getting victimized, mainly children and women. On a note, I dislike what some of them recently started in Minnesota, that is taking some youths to go and fight in Somalia. It is shame on their heads. very soon, the US authorities will embark on a crack-down on their establishments...just lend an ear to it, and we will get back to this topic again. They are well established with their own malls, schools and masgids here. I thank them for it because I use their halal stores, etc... Thanks for sharing...and I20went over it with a Somali friend, and he just kept his mouth open.... Kind regards, yj On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Families in Mogadishu move out of the SOS Children's Village 16/07/2009 - The worsening security situation in Somalia's capital town Mogadishu has caused the evacuation of the SOS Children's Village for the second time in 18 months. Mogadishu: The children can not live normal lives - Photo: SOS Archives Due to the deteriorating situation in Mogadishu the SOS families have once again moved out of the SOS Children's Village into temporary homes for their own safety. The families are now living on the outskirts of the city in makeshift accommodation which, while not very comfortable, is at least safe for the moment. The SOS Children's Village Mogadishu had only been reoccupied six months ago when the families moved back, after leaving in December 2007 when mortars hit the village, killing one SOS aunt and injuring an SOS mother. At the time the families were relocated into houses in different parts of the city, considered to be out of the danger zone. Once the Ethiopian army left Mogadishu in January 2009 it was deemed safe for the families to return to the village and for the school to relocate back to its own premises. However, the security situation in Mogadishu has since worsened as the Al-Shabaab group fights for control of the city. Children return to take exams Village director, Osman Shukri Sheikh, is currently in Nairobi to disc uss the situation. He said that although the SOS families are not as comfortable as they were, they at least feel that they are far away from the fighting because they are not hearing the boom of shells any more. "But life is not as usual", he added. For example, the children are no longer attending school which is located on the village premises. However, those who had to take exams this week have been transported to the school, so that they can at least finish off their studies. Once the exams are over the school will close for the scheduled summer break. Reopening will depend on the security situation in Mogadishu in September. Worried about the future "It has been a big challenge", continued Osman Shukri Sheikh, "to see the children first living in dangerous conditions, and now living in poor conditions. You cannot do what you are supposed to do for those children because moving around is very dangerous. You feel helpless". Ahmed Ibrahim, the national director for SOS Children's Villages Somalia, said that it is the future of the children that is his main worry. "Mogadishu has been a battle ground for many years and our children cannot live normal lives if they have to continually move around to safer areas. We are reviewing the situation and looking for a more permanent solution." The SOS Hospital meanwhile, located next to the children's village, is still f unctioning under difficult conditions. 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