Wonderful Saloum. I loved it when as Taylor rambled on, Griffiths begged to pause so he could spell common names: MR GRIFFITHS: Can I pause for a moment, Mr President, and assist with some spellings. Idriss Deby I-D-R-I-S-S separate word D-E-B-Y. Alpha Konare A-L-P-H-A separate word K-O-N-A-R-E. John Kufuor J-O-H-N separate word K-U-F-U-O-R. Joaquim Chissano J-O-A-Q-U-I-M C-H-I-S-S-A-N-O. Thabo Mbeki T-H-A-B-O separate word M-B-E-K-I. Olusegun Obasanjo O-L-U-S-E-G-U-N O-B-A-S-A-N-J-O. Gnassingbe Eyadema G-N-A-S-S-I-N-G-B-E E-Y-A-D-E-M-A. I think those are all the names mentioned so far. Very funny. Mind you this was after the presiding Judge requested Griffiths get the spelling of NEW names (that are not on the record).&nbsp;This Taylor is a vrai idiot. Obasanjo was just a squirrell trying to get a nut. Can you believe the idiot wanted to engineer a third term??? I mean it was not news but to tie that quest with Old Taylor's life was reckless at best. I would have loved to see two former presidents at fisticuffs. DO you suppose the Hague can excuse Taylor if under armed guard so he can have that&nbsp;reunion meeting with Obasanjo? Obasanjo!!! What parent would give such a name to their kid that they love?????? These are strange people these. Haruna.&nbsp;<br>
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<div>Q. Did you ever provide the RUF with military assistance?</div>


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<div>A. I did not provide the RUF with any military assistance to invade Sierra Leone. However, between the periods of August 1991 throughout May of 1992, there was cooperation between the RUF and the NPFL following the invasion of Liberia by ULIMO. They had been armed, trained and sent in by the Momoh government. Now, I provided for the protection of the borders of Liberia, as was my duty and responsibility at the time - I provided small amounts of arms and ammunition, more ammunition than arms to that particular group. Now let me be specific. Before this Court these judges have seen a letter produced by the Prosecution of Foday Sankoh writing me a letter complaining about small amounts of arms or ammunition, yes, and I think he had a reason to complain because in fact I was struggling myself and probably his expectations were too high. But I did, between that period in question, and it ended in May of 1992 after several of m
y men that were providing security on that border, and in fact jointly fighting a common enemy, happening to be ULIMO, we withdrew our men and<br>
ceased all, and I mean all, cooperation with the RUF.</div>


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<div>Q. Did you thereafter provide any military assistance to the RUF?</div>


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<div>A. None whatsoever.</div>


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<div>Q. Were you thereafter aware of atrocities being committed in<br>
Sierra Leone?</div>


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<div>A. Well, I put it this way: There is no one on this planet that would not have heard through international broadcasts or probably discussions about what was going on in Sierra Leone. I would be the first to say yes, we did hear of certain actions that were going on in Sierra Leone that we - that were a little strange to us because those things did not occur in Liberia.</div>


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<div>Q. What things?</div>


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<div>A. Well, we heard that people were getting killed, women were getting raped and different things, and we couldn't understand it. I could not understand it, because these are things that we did not tolerate in Liberia and so for me it was unacceptable. But then again we had no way of verifying whether, you know, these were true because we did not have anyone in there to tell us because, you know, these days when you see reports on television - I'm seei
ng on television this morning that I ordered people to cannibalise people in Sierra Leone, and when you begin to look at the different slants in the news, well, you hear them, you cannot verify them, and it was not in my - it was not my duty to verify them, but I would say we did hear about those things in Sierra Leone.</div>


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<div>Q. And had you ordered the RUF or any other group in Sierra Leone to carry out such actions?</div>


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<div>A. That would be virtually impossible because the actions that we took in Liberia, and those actions have been spelt out before this Court, they have talked about - the Prosecution has talked about several generals that were executed, well, they were executed for murder under the uniform code of military justice. They were all - in fact they were executed for rape. And so if we were taking these stringent measures in Liberia, even if one were to assume for the sake of argument that, as the Prosecution states that I had command and control of Sierra Leone, which is not the truth, realizing the fact that we were dealing stringently with rape and murder and harassment in Liberia, why would anyone believe or bring themselves so low to believe that what I was not permitting in Liberia, even if I had control in Sierra Leone, I would permit in Sierra Leone. It was inhumane, it was wrong. I would have never, even if during the period between August 1991 and May of 1992, if I, during that period while20we had cooperation’s for my security in Liberia, and I may say selfishly for our security because in fact we used the presence of the RUF for that, but if that was occurring during that period I would have done everything to stop it and in fact probably the cooperation, and let me just move the probable, the cooperation between the RUF and the NPFL, again during that period, would have probably ended in a shorter period of time. I would have ever, never, ever permitted such to continue if I had anything to do with it.</div>


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<div>Q. Specifically, Mr Taylor, did you ever order the trademark atrocity of the Sierra Leonean conflict; amputations?</div>


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<div>A. It's impossible for that to have ever been ordered by me.Let's look at the Liberian civil war. There's been no evidence before these judges, regardless of all of the witnesses brought here, the low ones like the Marzahs of this world, the sick puppies like the Marzah of this world, you understand me, that would say that this was ever, you know, a situation that could have happened. No, ever.</div>


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<div>Q. To your knowledge did amputations take place in Liberia?</div>


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<div>A. Never. That's the point I'm making. Amputations throughout the history of Liberia and in all of the evidence here, even though the Prosecution has tried to drag the Liberian civil crisis in here through the back door, when the indictment is as of 1996, there's20not one case before this Court of amputations in Liberia. None whatsoever. It's not a phenomena of Liberia. It is wrong. It never happened in Liberia. I would have never, ever accepted that in Liberia, and we would have never encouraged that in Sierra Leone.</div>


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<div>Q. Mr Taylor, did you plan or order or otherwise participate in the invasion of Freetown on 6 January 1999?</div>


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<div>A. Let's look at the period in question, 1999 January. I'm a member of the Committee of Five trying to --</div>


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<div>Q. Explain what that is, please? </div>


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<div>A. The Committee of Five, upon my election as President of Liberia, ECOWAS had been dealing with the Sierra Leonean problem then under the Committee of Four. Upon being elected, jokingly my colleagues in ECOWAS said to me: Well, you know, listen, we have a problem continuing in Sierra Leone and you are an old rebel, so you know how to deal with rebels, so why don't you - we're going to put you on this committee to see how much help you can be to us because you know how to deal with rebels. I laughed and said, well, I'm no longer a rebel so, but I will do whatever I can. They said, well, don't forget you share borders with Sierra Leone so we want to bring you on this committee. And so I was placed on the Committee of Five to help to bring peace to<br>
Sierra Leone.</div>


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<div>Q. I'm sorry; you have
n't answered my question, Mr. Taylor, so let me ask you again. Did you plan or order or in any other way participate in the invasion of Freetown on 6 January 1999?</div>


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<div>A. Okay, I answered that question. I stopped there because your second question was what was the Committee of Five, but working on that committee my job - I was put on the front line to help to bring peace to Sierra Leone. There were discussions that started, so my entire period was spent between trying to fix war torn Liberia that had gone through a terrible seven year civil war, while at the same time helping my colleagues to bring peace to Sierra Leone. Now within this period of time one would have to be almost<br>
a Superman to be performing, trying to rebuild his country, his economy that is torn and having to deal with being a part of planning and ordering some invasion of Freetown on 6 January 1999. In fact upon hearing of that invasion at that particular time I was outraged, because we had been doing everything as of August 1998 in consultation with our colleagues in ECOWAS. We had commenced putting pressure on the RUF to come to the peace table. So what I had done, I had closed the border as of August 1998 with Sierra Leone as a way of trying to put pressure on the RUF to first of all stop making ceasefire agreements and breaking it on the other hand, so it is impossible - in fact it is just incredible that on the one hand I'm trying to work with Liberia wi
th all of my own difficulties, working with my colleagues trying to bring peace and at the same time getting involved in trying to order, plan or execute some action in Sierra Leone on 6 January. Impossible. It could not have happened. I had no knowledge of it and was outraged, as were all of my colleagues in ECOWAS, upon hearing of this terrible thing that happened. We could not understand it.</div>


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<div>Q. Help us, when and how did you hear about the Freetown invasion?</div>


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<div>A. My national security advisor on the morning of 6 January. As is done in Liberia almost every morning, one of the first individuals that I meet is the national security advisor that will come in with news reports and so called intelligence overnight, and this was revealed to me by the national security advisor. Unlike what some of the witnesses have come here and said about me being sitting before a television 24/7, that's virtually impossible. The work of a President is not sitting before a television. That is what other people are there to do.My national security advised me of it as of the morning of 6<br>
January.</div>


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<div>Q. And who was your national security advisor?</div>


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<div>A. John T Richardson.</div>


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<div>Q. And help us, what was in fact going on in Liberia in<br>
January 1999?</div>


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<div>A. In January of 1999 we were going through - I was20dealing with the United Nations in trying to get them to help Liberia in capacity building. There were discussions about movement of refugees and trying to get them returned, Liberian refugees and other parts of West Africa, West African refugees. I was very, very busy with government.</div>


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<div>Q. Now, help us with this. What was your major preoccupation after you were elected President in 1997?</div>


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<div>A. We had a seven year civil war. The country was torn apart. Everything was destroyed. The roads were bad. In fact some of the roads that I hear claims of in this Court that we were supposed to be transporting arms and ammunition on, I don't know if these roads even existed. We had total decay. We had seven years of civil war, lives torn apart. My principal preoccupation was how do we begin to rebuild the war torn country? How do we begin to bring families back together, mend fences and reconcile? I was engaged with<br>
trying to get international assistance to build the country. After the years of the former President Doe where things had gone far down the drain, the economy was virtually wrecked. Add seven years to that and Liberia had really gone back I would say a quarter of a century. We were, some argued, operating in the 1920s. And I was preoccupied with trying to make friends, encourage countries to come in, look at investments and other things. For example, let's look at one principal area that we were preoccupied with. One=2
0of the big issues being raised as though people don't understand better, but I guess this is the way propaganda goes, let's look at the timber industry. All of the equipment in the country had been destroyed during the war, had been picked apart, parts taken off. The time required to revitalize for example the timber industry took us about two and<br>
a half years between trying to encourage people to return, giving them incentives to come back to the country. We were just preoccupied with Liberia, not talking about having added the whole Sierra Leone part of it with my colleagues encouraging me, but in short I was preoccupied with trying to get Liberia back to life. This was my preoccupation.</div>


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<div>Q. And how soon after you were elected President did you become a member of the Committee of Five?</div>


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<div>A. Almost immediately.</div>


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<div>Q. And why did you become a member?</div>


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<div>A. Well I felt that after my colleagues jokingly asked me to - in fact forced me to - join, I thought that I could be of some help because I realized that unless peace returned to Sierra Leone there was no way that Liberia could make it. Absolutely no way. There was still some 260,000 Sierra Leonean refugees in Liberia during the war while there were also some maybe 50/60,000 Liberians in Sierra Leone and Guinea. Now when you look at that you can see that it was extraordinarily important that eve
rything was done to bring peace to Sierra Leone because number one, yes, there were all these accusations. There are always accusations and I'm sure these learned judges understand that when Presidents accuse Presidents, sometimes they're trying to what they call draw smoke. For example so many times I accused Tejan Kabbah and he accused me. It didn't mean that it was factual, okay? So you had this situation where you have all these movements, you have the refugees you're trying to bring in and so it was the situation where I felt that we were so intertwined that the international community looking at these accusations were denying me aid. We could not get aid, we could not get assistance, and so they tied the life of Sierra Leone. If I may say that figuratively speaking, they tied the life of Sierra<br>
Leone to the life of Liberia. So for me it became a duty and a responsibility to help in whatever way that I could to help end this conflict in Sierra Leone, because unless it ended Liberia would never move. That's why I got involved.</div>


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<div>Q. Did you want to remain President of Liberia?</div>


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<div>A. Did I want to remain?</div>


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<div>Q. Yes.</div>


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<div>A. Well, of course I felt I could make a difference. Yes, I wanted to remain President of Liberia because I felt I could make a difference.</div>


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<div>Q. Now in your capacity as a member of the Commi
ttee of Five, what was your main objective? </div>


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<div>A. The first thing that they did was to put me on the front line, I would say really put me on the front line because we had a border, and then said to me, "We really want you to get personally involved in whatever way you can and keep us informed through consultations to help to bring peace to Sierra Leone." So my objective at that particular time was to do just that; get involved, help them work, arm twist here and there wherever we could to bring about this peace that not just Sierra Leoneans needed, but Liberians needed.</div>


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<div>Q. Mr Taylor, in your capacity as a member of the Committee of Five did you have personal contact with Sam Bockarie?</div>


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A. Yes, I did.</div>


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<div>Q. Why?</div>


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<div>A. Being on the front line and being in charge of the Sierra Leonean issue as my colleagues had asked me to - and by the way, let me just add for the judges this is contained in resolutions of ECOWAS that will be presented to this Court, communiques on the approval of ECOWAS stating exactly what I'm saying, asking me to get personally involved on the front line in helping to resolve the issue in Sierra Leone.</div>


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<div>Q. Now in your capacity as a member of the Committee of<br>
Five – </div>


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<div>JUDGE SEBUTINDE: Mr Griffiths, I don't think
your witness answered that question why did he have personal contact. He veered off. THE WITNESS: Yes, okay. Well my colleagues had asked me to have this personal contact because of my experience they had said before as quote unquote the old rebel, so we had to maintain this contact because I was placed with that responsibility to make sure that we did. And so we established this contact and began the process of what you may want to call being really a mediator at the time, and so we made contact with Sam Bockarie because at this particular time Foday Sankoh, remember, is in prison. But let me just add that contact was not just solely my prerogative. As I was in contact with Sam Bockarie, so were the other members of that committee. They could call him. In fact I could speak to him, I kept them briefed, but they also could call him at any time they chose.</div>


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<div>MR GRIFFITHS: </div>


<div>Q. What year did you first make contact with Sam Bockarie?</div>


<div>A. Our first real contact with Sam Bockarie was in late 1997 to early 1998. I can't recall the exact month, but it was very close around this time following the second Heads of State meeting which occurred in September. So I would put it to about the last quarter in '97 to the beginning of '98 when we – I ordered the general at the Lofa side of the border to contact Mr Bockarie and RUF people to invite him to Liberia for discussions and to inform him what my role was
and on whose behalf I was acting, which was ECOWAS.<br>
Q. What's the name of the general in Lofa?</div>


<div>A. Sadly, so there is also a Mosquito in Liberia. The name is General Christopher Vambos, aka Mosquito, who knew Sam Bockarie during the period that the RUF and the NPFL cooperated.</div>


<div>JUDGE SEBUTINDE: What was that surname again, please?</div>


<div>THE WITNESS: Aka Mosquito. But the last –</div>


<div>JUDGE SEBUTINDE: No, the surname.</div>


<div>THE WITNESS: Vambos. I think it's V-A-M-B-O-S. Christopher Vambos.</div>


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<div>Q. Help us a little further in this respect, Mr Taylor. Did you equally have contact with Issa Sesay?</div>


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<div>A. No. Issa Sesay at that particular time, no. Sam Bockarie was the leader of the RUF and we dealt with Sam Bockarie. </div>


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<div>Q. Did you at any later stage have contact with Issa Sesay?<br>
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A. Yes.</div>


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<div>Q. How did that come about?</div>


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<div>A. My first contact with Issa Sesay was in 2000. Around about I would say May/June of 2000 was my first contact. This was the period where Foday Sankoh had been arrested for the second time in the infamous situation in Freetown. Sam Bockarie is now in Liberia and ECOWAS, we were all very, very, very disturbed by the issues in Sierra Leone at the time of the unfortunate arrest of United Nations peacekeepers a
nd so we, through hundreds of calls - it looks so simple now where the other side have tried to claim that we had control, but it is very important that we understand that the arrest of those UN peacekeepers was not a very small issue at the time. It was virtually a global issue. Speaking figuratively I can say there were phone calls coming in to me from everyone, their mothers and their grandmothers, about these UN peacekeepers that had been caught in Sierra Leone, and so I got in contact with him after being asked to do everything that I could to help in their release. This was the first main contact with Issa Sesay.</div>


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<div>Q. And help us: At the time you made contact with him was Issa Sesay formally the head of the RUF?</div>


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<div>A. No, he had not formally become the head of the RUF; however, he was the most senior general in the RUF at the time. </div>


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<div>Q. And so how did it come about that he was the person you spoke to in the absence of Foday Sankoh?</div>


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<div>A. Well, Sam Bockarie is not there who took over after Foday Sankoh, and questions were asked and we knew - don't forget at the time in 1998 that we established the contact with Sam Bockarie as leader of the RUF we provided for the RUF a guesthouse in Monrovia, not a safe house, a guesthouse. Not a safe house; a house that was provided for them that served as an office, as a lodging
 place, and a place where every diplomat accredited near the capital of Monrovia went, saw them, consulted and more specifically ECOWAS ambassadors. Okay. So we knew because the RUF had personnel at that property, and so through communications we got to know that the main person that was operating in Sierra Leone after the arrest of Foday Sankoh was Issa Sesay. So we then sought to contact him.</div>


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<div>Q. Was he happy to adopt the role of leader?</div>


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<div>A. Well, I'll tell you, Issa was one - he's a very careful person. I say this because in answer to your question, subsequent to this meeting when I convened a Heads of State<br>
meeting in Monrovia later on in July of 2000 to try, along with my colleagues, several presidents of West Africa had convened a meeting to deal with the Sierra Leonean problem - we then posed the issue of leadership to Issa Sesay. He was a little reluctant<br>
and did not really accept unless he told us he got the permission from Foday Sankoh, where both Obasanjo and Alfa Konare, Obasanjo the former President of Nigeria, and Alpha Konare, the former President of Mali that was chairman of ECOWAS that left that meeting to go to Freetown to meet Tejan Kabbah to get Foday Sankoh's approval. So if I may say, your Honours, I think he was one of those reluctant leaders at the time. </div>


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<div>Q. Did you, Charles Taylor, appoint him as leader of the RUF?</div>


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<div>A. No, I never did. Never could have. If anyone did I would say ECOWAS did. Because at that meeting in 2000 I just mentioned that I convened a Heads of State meeting in Monrovia. At that meeting were the President of The Gambia, President Yahya AJJ<br>
Jammeh.</div>


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<div>Q. Can you help us with some spellings, please?</div>


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<div>A. I think it's on the record. I wouldn't like to mislead the Court. I think it's on the record, please. I think these are names. I will just ask for some help from the Court. Present at that meeting also was the chairman of ECOWAS, President Alpha Konare, he attended that meeting. Also present at that meeting is the late President of Togo, Gnassingbe Eyadema. Also present at that meeting was the former President of Nigeria, Obasanjo was present. I convened this meeting to discuss with them this problem that they had placed in my lap about Sierra Leone and the question came up: What do we do? Foday Sankoh is imprisoned, the July 1999 peace accord is in trouble, there's no one to talk<br>
to, what do we do? So we met and at that meeting all of the Heads of State present agreed that the probable thing to do was to ask Issa Sesay to take over the leadership. Issa at that<br>
meeting said: Well, I have to go and contact my people back behind me in Sierra Leone, but even more particularly I need the approval of the leader of the RUF, and so Presidents Obasanjo and Konare flew to Freetown.20Tejan Kabbah brought Foday Sankoh to them. The message was delivered to Sankoh. He approved it. Obasanjo and Konare left; went to their respective countries. Issa Sesay returned to his post. Two weeks later Obasanjo and<br>
Alpha Konare flew back to Liberia, and at the Roberts International Airport Issa Sesay was appointed leader of the RUF.</div>


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<div>Q. Mr Taylor, did you ever deal in diamonds with the RUF in return for arms?</div>


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<div>A. Never. There is not one human who believes in the truth can say that I, Charles Ghankay Taylor, dealt with the RUF or anyone in the RUF taking diamonds for arms or taking diamonds for anything. None.</div>


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<div>Q. I'll ask you very directly, Mr. Taylor: Based on the evidence called by the Prosecution, and I'm speaking louder because I'm told that my voice was very faint, were you regularly receiving mayonnaise jars full of diamonds from the RUF?</div>


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<div>A. Never ever did I receive, whether it is mayonnaise or coffee or whatever jar, never receive any diamonds from the RUF. It's a lie, it's a diabolical lie. Never.</div>


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<div>Q. Why did you step down as President in 2003?</div>


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<div>A. Following the burning of the arms in 1999 Liberia came under attack by a group calling itself LURD. LURD happened to have been armed and supported through Guinea by the United States government. I do not say this i
n speculation. We – my government confronted the United States government accusing them of this allegation. They never denied it. In fact the ambassador accredited of the United States [indiscernible] capital <br>
confirmed that arms and ammunition had been given to quote unquote the Guinean armed forces and whatever they did with it, they could not account for it. Well, diplomatically we know what that means. It simply means that look, this is covert and we'll<br>
do it. So they did. Now, when we – </div>


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<div>Q. Take your time, Mr Taylor.</div>


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<div>A. During the war, as LURD approached Monrovia, it was a very sad thing that happened. Mortar shells launched by LURD, shrapnel from those shells were taken to the UN embassy. They confirmed that the shrapnel were shrapnel from the United States mortars. Now, these shells had dropped on an area that is considered a diplomatic compound of the United States Embassy in Monrovia called Greystone, where hundreds of Liberians had assembled for rescue. Several mortar shells fell on that compound and there were scores of people killed. There were limbs thrown all over the place. The citizens in that compound took the bodies and took them at the gates of the US Embassy and said to them: Well, here is what you have done to our people. The United States government strangely and maybe for the first time, and I stand corrected, did not condemn the shelling of those civilians in Monrovia. During the war20citizens had retreated to Monrovia, so I would say there were maybe about a million people that had gathered in different parts of the city, and I must admit we've always known America to be, under some circumstances, humane; there are other cases where they're not. But for the United States government not to condemn these people on the diplomatic compound convinced me that the United States in their regime change policy where George Bush had called upon me to leave, he said Taylor must leave, the United States had sent from Iraq at that time 5,000 US Marines, the Prosecution knows this, I think they should bring the information, they have a right - they know this. 5,000 marines were within eyesight of the presidency. I could stand on my back porch and look at huge - this huge American flotilla right outside of the Executive Mansion door. Their failure to condemn these atrocities convinced me that they would go to any length and probably kill the whole country to get rid of Charles Taylor. I then decided in the interests of peace and the love for my people that I would leave. That's why I resigned. I did not, as has been said, run away. I followed the constitutional process as enshrined in the constitution of Liberia. The legislature was informed that as of 11 August midday I would turn over the affairs of office to my Vice-President, and so when he sat here and lied before these judges that it was –</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Who sat here?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</d  iv>


<div>A. Moses Zeh Blah that he, "Oh, it just happened. He didn't even know", he lied. The legislature was written a letter. He is the President of the senate. He was present in the senate meeting. He presided over the senate meeting when the letter was read. Two weeks before programmes were prepared. Heads of State were invited. South Africa, Thabo Mbeki, was there. We had the President of Mozambique, Chissano, present. The President of Ghana, Kufuor, was present. These things don't just happen overnight that boom, spur of a moment somebody shows up.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Well, that's what Moses Blah told these judges.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Well, he lied to these judges. Diabolically he lied and we will prove it here. There are videos and films of Moses Blah who is - you know, I know Moses very well. He read a prepared speech. Now, one would have to be crazy to believe that he sat down during the programme and wrote a prepared speech. Nonsense. He lied to these judges in so many other ways that we'll get into later.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. And help us, was there an agreement setting out the terms for your resignation?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Yes.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. What was it?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. I was attending a conference for peace in Accra.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. When was that?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. That
was around, I stand corrected on this, about June – I want to believe, May/June of 2003, when this infamous indictment was unveiled. And I said to my colleagues that, "Look, the situation in Liberia is getting very, very tenuous right now and I've just had enough of this." I explained this very incident that I've just explained to the judges about the shell they had falling and how people were getting killed and shells were falling all over the city. And I told them that I wanted to - that I would step down and they had agreed. Now as we walked out of the meeting, all of the Heads of State to go to the conference hall, the news came out that the indictment had been, what do you call it in legal terms? Had been opened, whatever.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Unveiled.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Unveiled. We returned to the hall, because they knew that problems were about to come, we go back to the hall and they say, "Oh, my God. What is this?" I say, "Well, gentlemen, we do have a new problem." And they said to me, "Well, look, this is<br>
Unacceptable. We're here for peace."</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Who said that?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. All of my colleagues: Thabo Mbeki, Kufuor, Obasanjo. Kabbah Tejani was in that meeting.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. And what did he say?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Well, I can tell you. If I recall Tejani's own behaviour, I want to believe Tejani knew.=2
0He did not react in any way. He kept quiet. But my colleagues said, "But this is unacceptable. We cannot do this." And they said, "Well, Mr Taylor, our brother, what would you do?" I said, "Well, I have to think about it." And they say, "Well, look. It is important that you carry out what you said you would do here with us and if you do, we are going to move immediately to the United Nations and tell the United Nations that this is unacceptable and that this indictment should be squashed." They sat in that meeting and instructed --</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>PRESIDING JUDGE: Excuse me, Mr Taylor. We have a message from the stenographer that you're talking a little too quickly for it to be recorded, so if you could just slow down a little bit.</div>


<div>THE WITNESS: Okay, I'll do that. At that meeting it was decided that if I carried out what I had said I would do, everything would be done for this indictment to be squashed.<br>
They then instructed the President of Ghana --</div>


<div>MR GRIFFITHS:</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Who was that?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. John Kufuor to invite the British and American ambassadors, because these were the two countries that had been pursuing this war against me of regime change, and we will get into that at some other point. So the British and American ambassadors were called and were told by both the Chairman of the African Union – </div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Who was
 that?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. President Thabo Mbeki at the time and the President – the Chairman of ECOWAS, John Kufuor, that it was decided by the African Union and ECOWAS that if President Taylor stepped down this indictment would be squashed and that this was a decision and that ECOWAS and the African Union would pursue this. My understanding subsequent to that, it was pursued when Obasanjo told me during the period of the negotiations for my going to Nigeria that in fact he has spoken to all permanent five members of the United Nations and they had agreed that he famously in fact in a statement said, "I will not be harassed", that tape exists, where they had told him that they would not harass him upon my move to Nigeria, and that is what I understood at the time.</div>


<div>JUDGE SEBUTINDE: Mr Griffiths, sorry to interrupt. You did ask about two pages before the question, "Was there an agreement setting out the terms of your resignation? What was it?" I'm not sure that there's a straight answer to that. I would appreciate a straight answer.</div>


<div>THE WITNESS: Yes, your Honour, you are right. When we're dealing at the - just as maybe the judges and lawyers do, by agreement there was nothing written. From a diplomatic standpoint when Heads of State meet and talk to other world leaders and they say, "Well, this is the case", I consider that an agreement. There was nothing written, but ECOWAS and the African Union had been told through Obasanjo tha
t everything would be done to squash this. This is what I mean. There was no written document, but for me it was sufficient and I think for even my colleagues it was sufficient.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>MR GRIFFITHS:</div>


<div>Q. And did you subsequently step down?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Yes, I did. On 11 August as I promised I stepped down and left the country.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. And thereafter, Mr Taylor, the public suggestion is that you subsequently tried to escape from Nigeria.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Well, you know, when you are dealing with the level of power play that I saw during that particular period, it's amazing. In the first instance I was not imprisoned in Nigeria,<br>
so I could not flee. I was a free man in Nigeria. I went to where I wanted to go. President Obasanjo and I met maybe once or twice every three months. And let me say here Olusegun Obasanjo, a former President of Nigeria - who I must admit I would still want to consider a friend if he chooses to come before the world and tell the truth - Obasanjo knew that I was travelling, where I was going to, and when. And let me just explain further. Obasanjo had invited me at the airport in Abuja. He informed me that he was on his way to the United States to meet with George Bush. But throughout the three years in Nigeria Obasanjo had constantly reminded me that Nigeria was under tremendous pressure to quote unquote turn me over, and
 he had said he could not do that. He came under so much pressure that even there are documentary reports of even the former Secretary of State Colin Powell even coming to Obasanjo's rescue and saying, "Well, look. Don't hold this man responsible. It was a deal. That's how Taylor got over there."</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Who said that?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell in Defence of Obasanjo's actions. He met with me and told me that he was under tremendous pressure on many occasions, but that he was on his way to the United States and he knew that he would come under additional pressure. But he would not yield to such pressures. And in fact Obasanjo said to me that Kofi Annan had called him and warned him that he should expect pressure in Washington DC, and I said to him that I wanted to travel. Now, I'm sorry that we do not have a map here I think for the judges to see this. </div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Maybe at a later stage we can assist in that way?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Very good. Calabar, Cross River State, is approximately I would say under 50 miles from the Cameroonian border. Where I was stopped in an area of Nigeria, the northern part of Nigeria is about 1,000 miles from Calabar. Now - in an area called Maiduguri. I was en route. Obasanjo had said to me that he was on his way to the States and that I could go to where I wanted to go and when he got back
he would, you know, inform me and I could return. I was en route. Now, the news reports that came out said that Mr Taylor was trying to escape to Cameroon. Now for God's sake, anyone wanting to escape, if in fact he was being sought or he was imprisoned, neither of those applied to me. Why would I drive 1,000 miles from Calabar to the border with Chad and leave Cameroon 50 miles away?</div>


<div>Now, one would have to be crazy to believe that. Obasanjo knew I was going to see an old friend Idriss Deby in Chad. Idriss and I had been friends from Burkina Faso days before he launched his revolution. He's a personal friend of mine. I was being escorted by Nigerian Secret Service, Nigerian security police, driven by Nigerians in a four car convoy. Now unless you judges and the world believes I am stupid, which I'm not, I could not have been escaping with Nigerian Secret Service, armed police, driven by them, travelling 1,000 miles. Now, why my dear friend told the world that I was scaping, I swear maybe one day he will come and tell these judges and the world. Now, I do know he was under a lot of pressure. I do know this. I remember he said to me at the airport, "Look, maybe after this third term problem I'll see what we can do", but he was under tremendous pressure and he left. I get to the border and I'm stopped. I am amazed, "What do you mean I'm stopped?" All of the Nigerian security gets out. These border people say they are border security and they are or
dered to arrest me. I was arrested.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Can we come back to that in a moment and just clarify something before we forget?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Yes.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. What do you mean when you mention a third term?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. At that time in Nigeria, and Obasanjo and I had spoken as friends several times about it, the constitution of Nigeria gives two terms to the presidency. There was a discussion in Nigeria at the time where Obasanjo was trying to seek to probably in some shape or form amend the constitution to seek a third term, and there were a lot of dissension to that particular thing and it was causing a lot of problems. So he said to me, "Well, I'm going. I'll be back. Maybe after this third term situation I will know what to do", and so this is what he mentioned to me.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. However –</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>PRESIDING JUDGE: Mr Griffiths, throughout Mr Taylor's testimony certain names have been mentioned of people. For instance. The last one I don't think is on the record, I could be wrong, but I think it was Idriss Keby [phon] or Deby. </div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>THE WITNESS: No, Deby. The President of Chad, Idriss. I think it is Idriss Deby.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>PRESIDING JUDGE: All right, thank you. Well, Mr Griffiths, for the sake of the record if you could make sure that where
 possible, those names mentioned by Mr Taylor are spelt for the record.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>MR GRIFFITHS: I will do, Mr President, yes. </div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. We're at the border now, Mr Taylor.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. I am stopped and told that I'm needed back in Calabar. "For what?" They say, "Well, we are arresting you to send you back. We have orders from Abuja." I said, "Who is in Abuja?" I said, "The President is in Washington DC." So they said, "Well, these are our orders." I was arrested, kept for several hours and not taken back to Calabar. I was treated like a common - real common criminal. The border security were extremely rude. I was handcuffed. The Nigerian Secret Service and other officials with me said nothing.<br>
What was said at a particular time - because I said, "But you people are escorting me. Look at what's happening." They said, "Well, this is a different operation and once we hear now there are orders from Abuja, we can do nothing about it." They arrested me, put me on a plane and flew me to Monrovia. Not to Abuja, not to Calabar; directly to Monrovia. I arrived at the airport and I am turned over to some United Nations security and they fly me into Freetown.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Now how old are you now, Mr Taylor?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. Let me say I have exhausted my 61st year.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Now tell me in light of that experience,=2
0even though you're 61, if you were alone in a room with Obasanjo, what would you do to him?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. You know, as I sit here I am still perplexed. I can't claim to understand all of the intrigues that happened to me. I guess I may want to describe maybe a sequence of events that would take place. I would probably want to find out from him, "Why in the hell did you do this?" And maybe the next thing would probably be maybe two former Presidents involved in a little tussle, because I am damn angry of what Obasanjo did to me. He had - until now I do not understand it. </div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Q. Now, Mr Taylor, are you guilty of these offences on this indictment?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>A. I am not guilty of all of these charges, not even a minute part of these charges. This whole case is a case of deceit, deception, lies. And quite frankly, I cannot understand how some of these people were brought to the point - and may I just – I stand corrected on this to tell some of the lies that I have heard sitting over there. It's I guess what you lawyers call incredulous. It's impossible. Whether I live a hundred years, it's impossible what I have heard here where humans can come and, in an organised fashion, lie. Lie and lie and lie. I just don't understand it. There is no way. I am not guilty of any of these. Is this whole - as I go back into my mind in the records and the issues of the time
, the period of the - you know, we're just leaving the Cold War and there is regime change in Iraq, there is regime change in Liberia. When you look at all of these nuances and you look at the characterisations of Heads of State, I am this mad, wild man. They demonise you and set you up that even if a common criminal walked off the street and maybe put a bullet in your head, it would mean that people should cheer. They get people to a point where - I mean, maybe for survival they lie. I mean, people have been threatened. I've got ministers – former ministers - of my government that wouldn't even take a phone call from me. "Mr President, we're scared. We've been told if we ever talk to you, we're finished." I mean, this is a house constructed on disinformation, misinformation, rumours, assumptions, conjecture. Whether - like I said, whether I live a hundred years, this is the experience of a lifetime that no human --</div>


<div><br>
MR GRIFFITHS: Can I pause for a moment, Mr President, and assist with some spellings. Idriss Deby I-D-R-I-S-S separate word D-E-B-Y. Alpha Konare A-L-P-H-A separate word K-O-N-A-R-E. John Kufuor J-O-H-N separate word K-U-F-U-O-R. Joaquim Chissano J-O-A-Q-U-I-M C-H-I-S-S-A-N-O. Thabo Mbeki T-H-A-B-O separate word M-B-E-K-I. Olusegun Obasanjo O-L-U-S-E-G-U-N O-B-A-S-A-N-J-O. Gnassingbe Eyadema G-N-A-S-S-I-N-G-B-E E-Y-A-D-E-M-A. I think those are all the names mentioned so far.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


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