I guess what I can only label as your obviously desperate and rather cheap attempt at what you think will score points for you is the reason you are trying to draw in an exchange that was not shared with the list by the sender nor myself?
And how about your attempt to take over people's brains and interprete what they read for them? I guess it is a sign of your confidence in them to think for themselves.
Jabou Joh

-----Original Message-----
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: A Short Story

Suntou, you took the words right ut of my mouth. As we speak, Jabou is taking Kukeh to task about "rules and regulations of the List" forgetting that Kukeh's appeal to Jabou and myself was only genteel and it did not make a determination as to who started what when. Can ou imagine making peace with such folk??????? Jbou ought to indicate where and when Haruna started whatever. Maybe we'd get somewhere. I( don't like crybabies. At all. Haruna. The friggin nerve???? I'm gettin pissed all over again.


-----Original Message-----
From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: A=2 0Short Story

Quiet the contrary Laye, i never pretend to be innocent. I know quiet well that, discussing politicians will always raise hot blood. But you as a regular responder to all subjects on Halifa or PDOIS make it your habit to divert the attention of the topic to the writer.
It is you who always start the charge by questioning the writer instead of his piece or idea. You always never fail in asking why i single out Halifa for my political posturing. I don't mind being ask to further elaborate on my points, but all sincere readers here will spot the way of the PDOIS defenders. they either start insinuating and making outrageous accusations and stifling discussions o r being insulting to the writer.
By now you of all people should know, that style will not work with me. I will write what i want, when i want.
You should also avoid cheap shots at the way people use their time. I wrote many of stuffs on my documents, i share them when i deem fit and at my convenience.
I don't care about the hypocritical comments Laye. You should look closer for a proper perspective on that. A party that made it's name by scrutinising others is PDOIS, so once in a while analysing their activities and intention is only normal.
I have no interest in the personal life of any PDOIS member or executive. i am interested in their political intentions.
It is you who wish others to apologise to Jabou for comments far less than her wild remarks. In as much she detest others discussing her beloved party, she should stick to the topic and leave people alone. You too try practising what you preach, the forum will be a better place. Address the subject matter, whether sweet or bitter.
suntou
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, A Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: A Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Short Story
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 320August, 2009, 7:13 AM

"And most of the time, the ingredient that spoil oudialogueses or conversations is that intelligent folks like yourseldeliberatelyly go after the writers instead of the message. Disagreeing with the content of a article/story  is acceptable but when you make the writer the subject of thdialogueue then the chatter as Mathew K Jallow would call it lose it footing."

Suntu:

Why am I so surprised that you would take the opportunity to lob a jab at me. I see Haruiner is teaching you well. I do not "deliberately go after20writers instead of the message" as you suggested. I instead pay attention and discern intent in you and Haruiners blabs. The thing is, you always act hypocritical in that you do exactly the same thing you accuse others of. Just look at your this response and tell me if your intent was not to jab one more time. You had to take the opportinity right? You always pretend to be so innocent and victimized yet so dangerous in the way you insinuate things - mostly detrimental to others.

Practice what you preach and see how life will be different...

As for our dear Aunty/Sis, she has time and again proven that she holds her own. I do not need to try to defend her. She would do a better a job than I could even try. I think you already know that but as usual you'll act Suntu on every opportunity.

I'm still waiting for the PDOIS list of suggestions from Sunt u. How's your conselling sessions with Haruiner going? It looks like he's getting worse by the minute; what have you been counselling him on? Please don't turn him into a jihadist on us. He's done enough damage already!

-Laye



On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM, SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
"Haruna, quit being an idiot. Rene's was 100% fiction. You and your nephew/uncle Suntu are way too serious about trivial things sometimes it's scares the devil out of his hole! But again, it has to do with you and Suntu having an extra 4 hours in the day. Normal folks have only 24! Get some help man!" -(Laye) Laye don't make me laugh.
 
Laye, from what i can understand from the story, is that, Rene, the narrator is dialogu-ing. And most of the time, the ingredient that spoil oudialogueses or conversations is that intelligent folks like yourseldeliberatelyly go after the writers instead of the message. Disagreeing with the content of a article/story  is acceptable but when you make the writer the subject of thdialogueue then=2 0the chatter as Mathew K Jallow would call it lose it footing.
Jabou, as you would like to defend always uses implicit wordings against myself and Haruna. That in itself is rather unfortunate, but i never evecontemplatete asking her for explanation oapologygy. Let us discuss a topic on its merit and avoid targeting the messenger. I don't personally care whether someone discredit what i write or state, that is the least expected in a maturdialogueses. i believe the story intends to pass a message, people will always understand it differently. Some will find it political, others, may be not.
 
Thanks
suntou


--- On Sun, 2/8/09, A Jallow <[log in to unmask]" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: A Jallow <[log in to unmask]" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Short Story
To: [log in to unmask]" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 12:17 PM


"Anyway, it was nice to read you commentaries, and as always I enjoy reading you. You would not bel ieve it, but sometimes you make my day when I read some of your postings and my children would hear me laughing aloud and wonders what has gone over my head." (Rene)

Very true Rene. Haruna is an awesome guy when he's the clown - I mean the real Haruna. When he's serious and and in his brainy moments, he then becomes dangerously deceitful and manipulative; then starts to get on my nerves. He's that idiot cousin that is always a thorn but you almost always inadvertently find it in your h eart to forgive his reckless behavior after causing you a nervous reck.

Nonetheless, I think Haruna should take the time and publicly apologize to our dear Aunty/Sister Jabou. And 40 linches after that.

Haruna, quit being an idiot. Rene's was 100% fiction. You and your nephew/uncle Suntu are way too serious about trivial things sometimes it's scares the devil out of his hole! But again, it has to do with you and Suntu having an extra 4 hours in the day. Normal folks have only 24! Get some help man!

-Laye

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM, <[log in to unmask]" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Haruna,
  ;        Your commentaries on this short story is very, very, interesting. For one thing it is a story; and as a story teller, there is a literary device used in story telling called the 'Omnipotent third person narrator', in which the storyteller tries to get into the heads of the characters portrayed and convey their inner thoughts, their feelings, their fears and their desires to the reader. Such inner thoughts, feelings, fears and&n bsp;desires, may not necessarily be true, or subscribe to any ideological dispositions whether right or wrong, but serve a much wider literary purpose of creating conflict which is central to stories of a fictitious genre.   
 
       Secondly, this short story is lifted from a much broader work and has been summarize in its present form to fit the description that has been ascribed to it; and that is a short story. In a more serious literary setting, all the arguments you have raised about the story, would have been implicit rather than stated, and can only be discern from the actions and activities of the characters. You have also discounted a very important literary device, dialogue, which has been used in this short story as irrelevant and unnecessary, just because it doesn't fit into all the complicated postulations and ideological leanings to which you are sympathetic. The Short Story could also have been written in another literary setting in which less prose20and more dialogue is used. In that instant would you still discount the dialogues as unnecessary?
 
     I will not hold you to it, but what you did with my Short Story is to infer motives into it. It is just like picking a book the contents of which you are very familiar with, and because you disagree with some of the assertions in the book started highlighting the areas in which you disag ree, and then challenge the author on those assumptions. But the point is, as a literary artist you can cook anything in your head, whether it is true or not; you can raise any arguments in your narrative whether it is ideological or not; but the fact remains that you are doing all these things from the point of view of the characters who are portrayed in the narration. You cannot be held captives to any of the things they say or argued. I guess that is why it is fictitious.
 
     Anyway, it was nice to read you commentaries, and as always I enjoy reading you. You would not believe it, but sometimes you make my day when I read some of your postings and my children would hear me laughing aloud and wonders what has gone over my head. 
 
    Rene 


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