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Muhammad, stop playing with your intelligence. Why should Demba pray
for me? on the basis of my disagreement and different view points?
Grow up. This is not the era of rubber stamping all that a man says.
Not all that glitters is gold, that simple logic applies to all and
sundry. If you are easily mesmerised, i am not. So better direct your
ill-conceive notion of prayer to yourself.
If i need a prayer, i know where to seek it from. how ugly is your
misguided mentality of asking others to forgive whilst you blatantly
slander an individual without you having the decency to ask for his
forgiveness. What did i do to Demba to demand his forgiveness?
speaking my mind. don't you know Demba runs a newspaper, and over
there he airs his opinion regularly. You better grow up yet again
Drammeh. I know some of you folks wish to be seen on the bandwagon of
Sallah, i have no problem with that. All i do and will continue to do,
is examine the proposals of Sallah. This is the least civic duty i can
do as far as pointing out apparent fallacies and unworkable
pronouncements. Demba, i too have no heart feelings,in fact, me and
you are use to disagreeing over PDOIS issues, Drammeh is just
squeezing himself in the wrong encounter.
suntou

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Demba Baldeh<[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mr. Drammeh, I have no heart feelings about Suntou. We do in fact speak from
> time to time thanks to him taking the time to call. I think I put my points
> across clearly and I believe we have a mutual understanding..
>
> You will not hear from me on this issue again and I hope we will all
> continue to focus on the grave problems confronting us as a people and
> nation. Gambia needs us today more than ever and if we don't do anything in
> the face of malignant systematic destruction of our country, history will
> judge us harshly.
>
> We have the greatest opportunity ever in our nation's history to stand up
> for our people. Our intellectual man power and resources far supercedes
> anything Gambia has ever seen, so we should not let anyone think for us and
> or try to shape our destiny.
>
> It is up to us to collectively pull from a common front and to be honest,
> despite all the oppressions... I have never been so optimistic that decency
> will prevail.
>
> Keep up the great work everyone and let's keep our eyes on the ball...
>
> Am at peace yah all!!!
>
> Demba
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Demba you spoke the truth but olease forgive Suntou and pray for him
>>
>> Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin
>> Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh
>>
>> --- On Sat, 15/8/09, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [>-<] AGENDA TWENTYNELEVEN
>> To: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>> Date: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 8:23 PM
>>
>> Suntou, I see light at the end of the tunnel... you seems to be getting
>> back in check and discussing the fundamental issues that affect our country.
>> This is what you should have been doing to advance the debate and stop
>> targeting individuals for personal reasons who are seen to be doing their
>> part to make a difference in the Gambian situation.
>>
>> Your response below seems to be a complete departure from your endless
>> overtures on Halifa the person and focus on the general problem that we all
>> know exist in Gambia's political spectrum. As much as the issue should not
>> be about you, it should not be about Halifa as well.
>>
>> If you have a problem with the little Halifa is doing then you must have a
>> problem with what Darboe, Hamat and any other opposition politician is
>> doing. Your past writings did not reflect this, instead you were openly bias
>> and sometimes hypocritically blinded by either your ignorance of the issues
>> or divisive tactics. Am glad you get the moral reason behind my call on you.
>>
>> Secondly, if I don't have any moral authority as a Gambian to call you on
>> your negative tunes, where did you get your moral authority to question
>> anyone's integrity or contribution in Gambia's affairs? If you condemn the
>> writings of long letters and press releases from one person why the hell did
>> you endorse others?
>>
>> The fact is Suntou, you are all over the place and acting as Mr.
>> ubiquitous, questioning everything and offer no solutions. If you question
>> what others are doing then tell us what you think are the solutions?
>>
>> What are the alternatives to people individually willing to go to Jail and
>> give up their liberty for the rest of Gambia to be free from tyranny?
>> What are the alternatives to writing letters and issuing press releases in
>> sensitizing the world of human rights issues in the Gambia?
>>
>> Isn't it not Suntou who is calling for direct action against the Jammeh
>> regime?
>>
>> What action is more direct than a citizen going to villages and
>> investigating the story of witch craft and bringing the attention of the
>> world to the issue?
>>
>> What direct action is more legitimate than willingness to sit in jail in
>> protest against the abuse of power in the Gambia?
>>
>> Why do you think political prisoners engage in hunger strike?
>>
>> Do you understand the moral reason for leaders to want to go to jail or
>> die on behalf of the people? I guess not..
>>
>> Did Nelson Mandela's stay in Jail for 27 years made any difference in
>> South Africa?
>>
>> Finally, my challenge to you was to stop the individual attacks and
>> discuss the issues. No one in this forum or any other forum have time for
>> your distractions. Citizens are focus on the issues and not any individual
>> personality. It appears you are heeding to that.
>>
>> So long as you continue to discuss the issues intellectually and not focus
>> on any individual person in an effort to distract or hate, you will not hear
>> from me on your person. We all have bigger and better issues to focus on in
>> Gambia. Let's go to work.
>>
>> Good day...
>>
>> Demba
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 5:30 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Demba, you have no moral or any authority to question my quest to
>>> maintain a balance perspective on Halifa's politics. I beg to defer
>>> with the chorus of praise singers on politicians who have only been
>>> talking and writing endless long letters.
>>> Halifa and Ousainou couple with Hamat and Sedia did not do anything
>>> that we can say indicate a clear way out of the current nightmare all
>>> is in.
>>> Yes, i know, your ideological position is to drum-up loud bangs and
>>> try to dominate forums with Halifa's name and bravery, but please,
>>> since the coup, what acts did Halifa did which can remotely count as
>>> bravery?
>>> Wasn't Halifa in the Gambia when students were murdered? Didn’t he
>>> subsequently participate in sham elections giving Jammeh all the moral
>>> authority he requires to continue criminalising everyone? What is that
>>> Halifa wants? Cementing his place in Gambian history through his
>>> letters and briefings or clearly partaking in a genuine avenue to rig
>>> Gambia of Yahya. I am not the subject of any discussion, and it is
>>> quite counterproductive to concentration on me.
>>> Now is not the time to praise any politician, all of them. They,
>>> unlike you and me have some shield by virtue of their standing.
>>> Diplomatic pressure comes in whenever Halifa or Ousainou is arrested.
>>> This is a fact. None of them have taken any bold move which Jammeh can
>>> view as threat to his position.
>>> If you and your ilk’s are glad that Halifa is planning to increase the
>>> numbers at mile 2, well i beg to defer. He was just there not long
>>> ago, and no one went on the streets of banjul for him, why do you
>>> think joining Sam now will make any different?
>>> So long as some of you are quick to praise this folks, i wonder when
>>> Gambia will manage to see serious politicians.
>>> To correct you Demba, i have never snick in and out of the Gambia. I
>>> go through Yumdum. I never remember telling you or writing anywhere
>>> that i snick in, thus countering the struggle. Get your fact right.
>>> I repeat, i careless who thinks i hate Halifa. You can drum it for the
>>> whole world to see. I am not satisfied with politicians who are
>>> registered with IEC and then trying to gain momentum with no credible
>>> planning or action.
>>> The onus is for ordinary Gambians to write and speak. The politicians
>>> need to act by genuinely mobilising Gambians on the ground and making
>>> serious leeway. But satisfying an easy mob on the cyberspace is doom
>>> to failure.
>>> You the PDOIS supporters have no higher ground than any Gambian. Your
>>> belonging to that party doesn't mean, you are above all prejudice or
>>> bigot mindedness. So stop accusing others for sentiment many of you
>>> has entrench you.
>>> You party line of thinking is no better than all others. We are blacks
>>> and African, we all love who we are.
>>> PDOIS executives on speaking to the Swedish television expose their
>>> real position after the coup. Jammeh knew their support for his
>>> governmen then, and now let PDOIS come up with something tangible, no
>>> letters, no endless history lessons. Action now! If UDP fail on their
>>> side, people will abandon them and join a serious party. But for now,
>>> none of the opposition leaders are heroes. Heroism is not just by
>>> writing letters.
>>>
>>> suntou
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Demba Baldeh<[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> > Suntou, am sorry we don't judge you but instead you judge yourself
>>> > through
>>> > your actions and words. What comes out of your mouth truly reflects on
>>> > what
>>> > is on your mind daily.
>>> >
>>> > As I said this is not a one time occurence, you have been caught
>>> > several
>>> > times so it was time you get revealed.
>>> >
>>> > Your response also shows how shallow you are on the issues dealing with
>>> > Gambia and Gambian politics. You should admit that you are new on
>>> > these
>>> > issues and try to learn from your brothers LJD and many other decent
>>> > Gambians.
>>> >
>>> > "Contributing to madness or tyranny doesn't mean leaving other
>>> > poolitician
>>> > alone". Are you for real? What surah have you been reciting? Who is
>>> > contributing to madness or tyranny? How do you expect Halifa to account
>>> > for
>>> > other politicians? Isn't leadership all about leading my example and
>>> > willing
>>> > to sacrifice before calling on anyone else to do so? Oh well, I guess
>>> > that
>>> > is too complex for you... it is not sharia ok? It is calling leading
>>> > and not
>>> > imposing...
>>> >
>>> > Besides I think you need to wake up because if you were in the Gambia
>>> > or
>>> > anywhere in the world away from fundamentalist mindsets you would have
>>> > realized that majority Gambians though skeptical, gave Jammeh and the
>>> > junta
>>> > the benefit of the doubt in 1994.
>>> >
>>> > Did you not just read Lamin's article about the 1994 take over? and how
>>> > optimistic many Gambians were? It is by no one's fault that Jammeh has
>>> > turned the tryranny he has been. It is greed and it needs to be
>>> > condemned.
>>> >
>>> > "if they are not use to being question or investigate now, when will
>>> > powerless Demba have the means to say anything credible on them"?
>>> >
>>> > Ridiculous really... Is this your line of questioning? There are
>>> > better
>>> > educated ways to put across your questions without sounding hateful or
>>> > divisive. People make more sense out of sensible questions instead of
>>> > ill
>>> > conceived questions.
>>> >
>>> > Be prepared for more exposure and challenge anytime any where. See you
>>> > soon...
>>> > Demba
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:00 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>>> >> <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Demba, i am disappointed with this gabbage of yours. Get a life and
>>> >> stop cheap accusation. i comment on Halifa's politics. If that angers
>>> >> you, i don't give a dam about that.
>>> >> How on earth can folks like you judge me of hating Halifa? what basis
>>> >> are you using? Contributing to madness or tyranny doesn't mean leaving
>>> >> other poolitician alone. They are intending to assume a high office.
>>> >> if they are not use to being question or investigate now, when will
>>> >> powerless Demba have the means to say anything credible on them? was
>>> >> it Halifa's jailing that stop the wtich hunting? what are your proofs?
>>> >> Jammeh do as he like and stop when he wants. I know, some of you are
>>> >> mad in propelling Halifa. there are easy ways to do that. Why didn't
>>> >> Halifa purshue his unjust jailing?
>>> >> suntou
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Demba Baldeh<[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Suntou, it is time you get called on your constant hatred for
>>> >> > Halifa. At
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > time when every Gambian is trying to contribute their part to this
>>> >> > madness,
>>> >> > you constantly find room to distract genuine debates and show your
>>> >> > hatred
>>> >> > for this decent citizen of our nation.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You seems to have a personal hatred for Halifa.. a man who has
>>> >> > dedicated
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > his adult life fighting for righteousness and sovereignty of our
>>> >> > people.
>>> >> > Halifa is as educated as many Gambians you can find. He could have
>>> >> > chosen to
>>> >> > take his family outside of the Gambia and live a life like you and
>>> >> > I.
>>> >> > But
>>> >> > no, he has decided to stay the course and dedicate his entire life
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > struggle.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > For you of all people to constantly direct hate against this man in
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > face
>>> >> > of all the sufferings and sacrifices he had to go through, can only
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > described as hatred and lack of awareness of what this man stand
>>> >> > for.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Halifa has every right to talk about his friend and colleague Sam
>>> >> > Sarr.
>>> >> > You
>>> >> > mean to tell me that all the things Halifa mentioned about Sam as an
>>> >> > educationish and humanitarian are irrelevant. How about all the
>>> >> > books he
>>> >> > wrote that are being used in our educational curriculum? You picked
>>> >> > what
>>> >> > favored you in his write up and brought that up.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Many Gambians who know the true Halifa Sallah are getting sick and
>>> >> > tired
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > your divisive tactics. Halifa was in London, why didn't you face him
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > challenge him, instead of constantly throwing sand at Halifa's
>>> >> > individual
>>> >> > efforts. This is not the second or third time you are doing this.
>>> >> > The
>>> >> > last
>>> >> > time he was lingering in Jail fighting for Witch craft in the Gambia
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > came out and said he was promoting his popularity...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Let me ask you a question... do you hear about witch craft anymore
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > Gambia? As a true muslim(?) at least that is the way you portray
>>> >> > yourself
>>> >> > why are you so hateful of this man? If thousands of Gambians
>>> >> > including
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > veryself do exactly the kind of sacrifice Halifa is calling for,
>>> >> > would
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > not bring some change in the Gambia? What do you want him to do?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It is time you stop the divisive tactics at the time when every
>>> >> > decent
>>> >> > Gambian is trying to focus on the gross human rights violations
>>> >> > happening in
>>> >> > the Gambia. I hope that you will rethink your attitude towards
>>> >> > Halifa
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > give him credit where it is due. I hope that you will contact your
>>> >> > friend
>>> >> > imams in Banjul and everywhere and tell them to stand up for Sarata
>>> >> > Jabbi
>>> >> > Dibba and her innocent baby.. I hope that you will reconsider your
>>> >> > secret
>>> >> > sneak ins to Gambia at the expense of innocent citizens. I hope that
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > will use your blog to educate people instead of spreading hate.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Who are your role models in Gambia?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You know as much as I like to be diplomatic at all times, I don't
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > much
>>> >> > respect for people who display hate. We are all human and we have a
>>> >> > duty
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > contribute our part during our life time. As the proberb says "Those
>>> >> > who
>>> >> > said it cannot be done, should not stop others from doing it"
>>> >> >
>>> >> > From now on, I have personally dedicated myself to counter every
>>> >> > hate
>>> >> > message you try to send out there on Halifa or any other decent
>>> >> > citizen.
>>> >> > You
>>> >> > don't deserve to be ignored anymore....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Until I see you again at Bantaba or any other forum... enough is
>>> >> > enough...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Demba
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:07 AM, suntou touray
>>> >> > <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>>> >> >> <[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The last part of statement is more credible than the accolades on
>>> >> >> Halifa. Halifa joining Sam on his own will alter little in the
>>> >> >> grand
>>> >> >> scheme of things.
>>> >> >> What is of fundamental importance is that, all the politicians come
>>> >> >> together and talk. Agree on an action plan for all the political
>>> >> >> prisoners and stage a mass protest.
>>> >> >> Getting ready to die must result in a serious outcome. Going by the
>>> >> >> timidity of Gambians in general, lone rangerism will not change
>>> >> >> anything.
>>> >> >> The people are not looking for one man saviour, it will not work.
>>> >> >> If
>>> >> >> Halifa is unable to draw other opposition politicians to the table,
>>> >> >> let him at least lead a mass of PDOIS supporters and make some
>>> >> >> audible
>>> >> >> noise instead him alone. even the Mandela's, Gandi's, King, Malcoln
>>> >> >> needed a group in their struggle. We are all sleepless, it is the
>>> >> >> least we can do.
>>> >> >> suntou
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:47 AM, malik kah<[log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > This letter from Halifa Sallah the doyen of Gambian politics in
>>> >> >> > effect
>>> >> >> > is an
>>> >> >> > announcement of readiness and an invitation to all Gambians to
>>> >> >> > get
>>> >> >> > their
>>> >> >> > act
>>> >> >> > together and take the bull by the horn, for far too long as
>>> >> >> > Gambians,
>>> >> >> > we
>>> >> >> > have been attacking the timidity of the opposition parties,
>>> >> >> > nowthat
>>> >> >> > Halifa
>>> >> >> > has given the undertaking to sentize the people en mass it is
>>> >> >> > time
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > usto give our commitment to him since he is willing to give his
>>> >> >> > lives
>>> >> >> > for
>>> >> >> > the sake of liberating the Gambian people.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Clearly given the support en mass Halifa is not afraid for a
>>> >> >> > confrontation
>>> >> >> > but given the belicose nature of the populace en general it would
>>> >> >> > be
>>> >> >> > foolish
>>> >> >> > and suicidal eventhough he does not appear to mind.
>>> >> >> > I think agenda TWENTY ELEVEN should be given support I hope
>>> >> >> > Halifa
>>> >> >> > will
>>> >> >> > come
>>> >> >> > up with more details so that all asunder would rally behind the
>>> >> >> > call;
>>> >> >> > we
>>> >> >> > cannot afford to miscue this time; a programme of action has to
>>> >> >> > be
>>> >> >> > conceived
>>> >> >> > which will encompass everyone so that a chance could be created;
>>> >> >> > without
>>> >> >> > such a radical approach the opposition would be fragmentd and the
>>> >> >> > Gambians
>>> >> >> > will have to endure another five years of repression. I hope
>>> >> >> > Ousainou
>>> >> >> > Darbo
>>> >> >> > and Halifa will have a one to one serious discussion and come to
>>> >> >> > a
>>> >> >> > consensus
>>> >> >> > as to how they can strategise in the intrest of the The Gambian
>>> >> >> > Nation,
>>> >> >> > let
>>> >> >> > us hang to dry all penchant petty squbbles and reach out to each
>>> >> >> > other.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > ________________________________
>>> >> >> > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:59:12 -0700
>>> >> >> > Subject: [>-<] Halifa Sallah's Open Letter to President Jammeh on
>>> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > 6
>>> >> >> > Journalists
>>> >> >> > From: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>> >> >> > To: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "The way forward therefore is to put an end to this chapter by
>>> >> >> > releasing
>>> >> >> > the
>>> >> >> > journalists and order diligent investigation into Deyda's murder
>>> >> >> > by
>>> >> >> > relying
>>> >> >> > on the available evidence.
>>> >> >> > "On my part, I will pause for a while to gauge the National
>>> >> >> > response.
>>> >> >> > If
>>> >> >> > there is delay in this response I will tour the sub-region to
>>> >> >> > find
>>> >> >> > out
>>> >> >> > whether any head of state would accept to be an interlocutor by
>>> >> >> > organising a
>>> >> >> > round table to facilitate a resolution of the current problem. I
>>> >> >> > will
>>> >> >> > reach
>>> >> >> > out farther a field if the response is slow"
>>> >> >> > "Finally, if every thing fails, I Halifa Sallah will not sleep in
>>> >> >> > a
>>> >> >> > comfortable home while Sam Sarr is incarcerated. I will demand
>>> >> >> > that I
>>> >> >> > join
>>> >> >> > him and stay in prison until the Gambian people decide to support
>>> >> >> > agenda
>>> >> >> > 2011 and the Presidential candidate who will participate in the
>>> >> >> > elections
>>> >> >> > and accept to run a provisional government for a period of two
>>> >> >> > years
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > five
>>> >> >> > years in order to give a fresh start to the Gambian nation and
>>> >> >> > sovereign
>>> >> >> > people". Halifa Sallah
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Food for thought.... please read on and reflect on the message...
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > http://www.gainako.com/news/
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > With deep emotions...
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Demba
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > ________________________________
>>> >> >> > Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years-enjoy free
>>> >> >> > winks
>>> >> >> > and
>>> >> >> > emoticons. Get Them Now
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
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