Lamin:

Thanks for the clarification. You've made it easier for me.

-Laye

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> YJ
>
> I thank you for bringing the news of Ousainu's Seattle meeting to on-line
> Gambia, including the L, and the Mighty.
>
> What is Ellen anyway?
>
> On whether there is a "legal and diplomatic right" for opposition Gambia to
> meet diplomats accredited to The Court of His Excellency Sheikh Professor
> Alhaji Dr Yahya A J J Jammeh (the Professor), I simply take that aspect of
> Gainako's piece as reporting an utterance by a member of Ousainu's
> Seattle audience. It was an excessive statement, even if an innocent one.
> Bambalaye is spot on that there is neither a legal, nor diplomatic right for
> the opposition to access representatives accredited to The Gambia as
> emissaries of their home governments. This is exclusive executive domain,
> and the Professor has the mandate to expel any diplomat from The Gambia if
> his presence is regarded as incompatible with "friendly relations".
>
> Under exceptional circumstances, diplomats may operate at the outer
> extremes of permissible conduct, but even here, care and tact usually
> controls. For example, the American Ambassador may attend certain court
> cases in The Gambia but would still decline to comment on any aspect of the
> matter, including why he attended. Even when the relationship no longer
> matters, as in the case of Zimbabwe sometime last year, the American
> diplomatic representative must have policy clearance from the State
> Department, in consultation with the White House, before taking on Mugabe
> directly.
>
> In the case of the Senegalese, and the Nigerian, ambassador, and high
> commissioner, respectively,  the nuances are more pronounced. Except as an
> emerging, if controversial, international law doctrine in the areas of human
> rights, and humanitarian protection, interfering in a country's 'internal
> affairs' is a "no no" in international relations, and regular dealings with
> opposition politicians by accredited diplomats to The Gambia may be
> regarded, and legitimately, as 'interference'.  Absent exceptional
> circumstances, the UN Charter takes a very dim view of such 'interference'.
> What pressures are brought to bear - and in the case of The Gambia immense
> pressures at times - must be applied behind the scenes.
>
> In a nutshell, Bambalaye is right.
>
> I thank Gainako for its continuing excellent contribution to the
> conversation for a truly democratic Gambia.
>
>
>
>
> LJDarbo
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 29/9/09, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Some Foreign Diplomats won't meet the UDP
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009, 12:53 PM
>
>
>
>
> Bro Bambalaye,
>
>
>
> Thanks for chipping in. I hope the whisperer in attendance at the UDP rally
> whose utterance was caught and reported by Baldeh will at some point defend
> his’, especially if he is here in Ellen with us. I also understand there are
> bureaucracies involved greatly. No doubt, the dangers you asserted are
> there, notably the then alleged abortive coup.
>
>
>
> In my own opinion, diplomats are there to serve the people. In the phase of
> repressive regimes, great neutrality among the country’s citizens is a basic
> common sense. Serving the people will mean not snubbing any including I, an
> ordinary Gambian…much more a legal mind, or an opposition head in the person
> of Lawyer Darboe. That’s why I like the American Ambassador and the US
> embassy. They’ve tried to stay neutral, including attending court cases of
> journalists. If truly as said by Lawyer Darboe that these embassies refused
> to meet with him and his party, where on earth can an ordinary like me or my
> poor Uncle in Jarra expect that they will listen to him. Probably, a curious
> person like me will further question under which reliance of their reference
> guide did they use to deny meeting with Darboe and the UDP. Once that is
> established, then they shall be freed of blame.
>
>
>
> Where your line of thought is the adopted consensus, albeit weighing by the
> experts in “bureaucracies” and “protocols” as may be defined by their book
> of reference (embassy guide), then I promise to share a humble retraction of
> such an error then openly, hence to Gainako’s defense, it was only the news
> reportage as it was seen happening. I may agree in the final, the person’s
> choice of word might not be perfectly fitting to usage, ditto: “legal or
> diplomatic.” Therein, lies the inadequacies!
>
>
>
> Notwithstanding defense, we will make a follow-up as noted in the tail end
> of the story and will make it available. Until then, I hope you will forgive
> such an unintentional inadequacy. Further to conclude, Baldeh will report
> and you all decide Laye...and you are fine by your opinion.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> yj
>
> *There is no god but Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Fear
> and Worship only Allah alone!*
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:18:57 +0400
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Some Foreign Diplomats won't meet the UDP
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > "One listener said in private UDP or any other opposition party has a
> > legal and diplomatic right to have an audience with other diplomats
> > present in the country."
> >
> > Yero:
> >
> > The above quoted from the Gainako piece is not accurate. There is
> > nothing like a "legal and diplomatic" right for any opposition party
> > to have audience with a diplomatic representative of any country. It
> > is a prerogative of the diplomatic representative who is there for the
> > interest of his or her country, first and foremost, whether to grant
> > such audience or not. I can see why they would take such precaution
> > lest they be accused of meddling in Gambia's internal political
> > affairs. Remember the Senegalese embassy was accused of being involved
> > in the March '06 aborted coup....Where an opposition leader seeks
> > refuge on the basis of being in danger and covered under the Geneva
> > conventions, that is a different story.
> > The point I wanted to make is that it may have been prudent for the
> > embassies involved to not grant such audience INSIDE GAMBIA or
> > anywhere else to UDP or any other opposition party. Mai Fatty reported
> > recently that he made a presentation to various "diplomatic leaders"
> > in Senegal but the report did not clarify whether they went to listen
> > to him as GMC leader or a private Gambian citizen; or whether they
> > recognized GMC as a legitimate opposition party in Gambia. I have no
> > doubt Ousainou understands the intricacies and nuances involved and
> > should have been advised to call a seminar/presentation in the open
> > and invite all embassies like Mai Fatty did but it is wrong to say he
> > has the "legal and diplomatic right to have audience....."
> > Gainako on their part, could have done the piece a better job by
> > researching the issue and offering the facts relating to the
> > diplomatic protocol to clarify the options available to UDP at this
> > point.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing.
> >
> > -Laye
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2009/09/29/some-foreign-diplomats-in-the-gambia-refused-meeting-with-gambias-main-opposition-party-udp.html
> > >
> > > Holy cow...O Yes, what else can be done to bring mutual understanding
> here?
> > >
> > > Are some of these Diplomats here?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > yj
> > >
> > > There is no god but Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger.
> Fear
> > > and Worship only Allah alone!
> > >
> > >
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