From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [>-<] Political opportunism (Foroyaas coverage of Peters arrest)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 7 November, 2009, 9:24

Karim,

 

You can read the reports and make your own conclusion. Many of the people who read the report with open minds have drawn a different conclusion on the Foroyaa report. You can read any report and draw your own conclusions based on your own view. The facts remain the facts... and nothing can change that.

 

Am done with this unproductive discussion as I have already made my point and I stand by them...

 

Demba 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Demba
I just one to stay away from the issue but the fact is that Foroyaa's report of the meeting is a classic test of unobjective journalism. Sunotu have the right to be critical with Halifa and anyother politician. Reading Halifa's interview of recently tell me the man is so aloof that he has all the political brain to safe from the prevailing madness.UDP is the leading political party and as long as we did not want to recognise as a force for mass mobilisation for a change we will long be in this struggle. The midset of allowing Yahya Jammeh to continue or join UDP led coalition for a change, as long as we did not frankly discuss that but allow ourselves to be carried away by high sounding political jargon and cult following Yahya Jammeh will be in power for decades to come. If UDP have to change the permit regime and yet biased reporting surface in Foroyaa where is the political opportunism? It is not from Suntou!
 

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:48:27 -0800
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Subject: Re: [>-<] Political opportunism (Foroyaas coverage of Peters arrest)

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You know guys, there is a key message that is behind this exchange that has not been discussed fully or at least it has not been exposed... I think giving the bitter experience that Gambians and opposition parties are going throught under Jammeh's watch, we should no longer allow petty stuff to divide us.

 

It is perfectly legitimate for any one to support whatever party we want but what should not be overlooked is people reading in between the times and trying to create division or political hatred in between the very opposition parties we are trying to unite. Supporters of the UDP the main opposition party as we all agreed should no longer allow the likes of Suntou to distort the image of this party and make it look like a Republican party where only a few like-thinking minds are acceptable. The UDP should and must take the lead in anything pertaining to opposition in the Gambia. I believe this is the mindset that we have seen Mr. Darboe and many others are embracing to create an opportunity for unity.

 

There are certain elements of the UDP the likes of Suntou and Daffeh (who has been quiet lately) whose support for the party can be a huge turnoff for many Gambians who find value in the leadership of the UDP. As Gambians, we support the UDP efforts in their struggle. We support PDOIS, NRP and any other legitimate opposition party that stands against the status quo.  We may subscribe to different political ideology which is a natural thing in any democratic society, but that does not mean people should not write critical things about other parties. In fact, any informed and mature citizen must look deep into the leadership of the party they support and challenge the leaders to improve their support base. How do you do that, picking apart potential supports and trying to bring division at the time of need for unity?

 

I believe again members of this forum largely identifies with the struggles of the UDP. We must all rally and discredit anyone who tries to inject unnecessary division in our struggle. It is one thing to wish to get some attention, but another thing to try to create unnecessary havoc among hard struggling Gambians.

 

So Suntou and co must be challenged to desist from making others look like they hate the UDP when that is far from the truth. We will no longer allow political ignoramous and narrow minded citizens to distract us from the real struggle. Real UDP supporters are above and beyond such narrow minded visions... such people should be isolated  and not be allowed to represent the true image of the party. They succeeded in dividing us the last time around and this time we are ready to call them on it when they surface their divisive tactics. Nothing can make us take our eyes off the ball this time around... be forewarned.....

 

Peace...

Demba

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Suntou,

 

How this misread of Foroyaa turned into personal banter between Mr. Manneh and Mr. Touray is beyond me. Dave is the consummate colonial soldier like my cousin and I shared he has a unique way of putting his point across. If he wants to call you Mr. Touray, let him. I will discourage him from referring to warambas and khaftans in this particular exchange because that only extrapolates disagreement and disdains. He is not used to that. I have known him to stick to issues at hand. But don't dwell on your own significances or lack thereof when graver matter is discussed. I will be disappointed if this goes any further and you being the elder, I encourage you take leave of it. There are other life matter more worth pursuing.

 

How can folk "debate" impassioned opinions? And online? Mr. Touray, Suntou, Bolongba, Mr. Manneh, Dave, Lamin. What is wrong with any of that? I understand the connotations of turning informal banter to more formal sleights and escalations but this matter of perspectives hardly qualifies for erstwhile derisions.

 

Haruna. 

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From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>

To: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]

Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [>-<] Political opportunism (Foroyaas coverage of Peters arrest)

Dave, please, please, let us keep things simple. Stop trying to cause
disharmorny in a political matter like this. The issue has nothing to
do with me and you, it is on a subject matter which is cleary define.
If you have nothing to say on the subject, better do something else
that take your fancy. I have no interest what assumption you have of
me. As you said, i don't know you and you don't know me, so why not we
accept each other base on simple principles. It is a simple request,
refer to me with my first name. Whether you know me out side the
confine space of your G-post is completely irrelevant.
My Kaftan or Sumbuya never harm you, or did they? I respect you and i
hope you stop getting excited. I may have little friends in your
coveted G-Post, but i
 careless about that Dave. Address the issue and
lets discuss. My Kaftan, Subumya, waranba or Daba kurto is none of
your business....
I would have thought an experience G-Post member like you would have
grown out the petty attitude inherent in some folks out here. But how
wrong i was to think like that.
Suntou Bolonba


On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mr Touray,
> I rather know that you are incapable of an unsentimental and vigorous debate
> that's all.
>
> PS: Do not feel too special for your Khaftan and Sumbuya: I only call people
> by their first names if/when I happen to know them outside of the online
> fora, or have had personal dealings with them. So am afraid it is going to
> be Mr Touray; and I hope
 you won't take offence at that.
> Kind Regards,
> Dave
> 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>> <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> ]
>>
>>
>> Dave, i am never a pacifist, you of all people should never start
>> assuming things about others. What is alien to me is completely
>> unknown to you. So don't become a magician all of a sudden simply
>> because i direct you to read again the reports of Foroyaa. The way you
>> see the coverage and how you interpret is up to you. We see things
>> diffierently, but
 anyone who tries to pretend foroyaa is not being
>> funny here is avoidin the obvious issues raised. By the way, address
>> me as suntou if that is not of any trouble. Thanks
>> Sntou Bolonba
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks Mr Touray.
>> > He who posits bears the burden of proof. This is a simple axiom. But I
>> > fully
>> > understand why you would find this concept a bit alien.
>> > Kind Regards,
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>>
 >>
>> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>> >> <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> ]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dave, if you cannot pick the queries from my humble observation,
>> >> sorry. I am not here to point to you at any direction. The two links
>> >> provide enough substance to see the game of Foroyaa. Use that time you
>> >> have and re-read the comments from the paper.
>> >> Suntou Bolonba
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>> >>
 wrote:
>> >> > Mr Touray,
>> >> >
>> >> > Please elaborate a little more if you would, on what constitutes
>> >> > “Political
>> >> > Opportunism� on Forooya and/PDOIS’ part/s?
>> >> >
>> >> > I’ve read both links you provided, and I am still none the wiser as
>> >> > to
>> >> > what
>> >> > could have raised your ire.
>> >> >
>> >> > I suppose most importantly too, why, in your view
>> >> > should PDOIS and Foroyaa be two entities; independent and separate
>> >> > from
>> >> > each
>> >> > other?
>> >> >
>> >> > Kind Regards,
>> >> >
>>
 >> > Dave
>> >> >
>> >> > NB: Am at a loose-end presently; having finished one project and not
>> >> > started
>> >> > on another. So I've spare time to indulge in cyber chitchat.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>> >> >> <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> ]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In has much i wish to avoid focusing on the style the foroyya
 news
>> >> >> paper adopted in reporting the UDP rally and subsiquent events, one
>> >> >> cannot but comment on their strategic ploy to make the issue down
>> >> >> bit.
>> >> >> The Foroyaa reportage culled from www.gainako.com higligthed serious
>> >> >> opportunism on the part of Foroyaa the arm of PDOIS. They claim
>> >> >> that,
>> >> >> whatever was mention on the UDP rally was reported by their paper.
>> >> >> As
>> >> >> if rallies are the same as news paper items. If it is trust and
>> >> >> mutual
>> >> >> cooperation we are all advocating, the Foroyaa should change its
>> >> >> stance and see to it that, their views or way is
 not the only way.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We want to respect the persons and agendas of all the opposition,
>> >> >> try
>> >> >> to bridge the gabs, therefore, Foroyaa activitiues on this issue is
>> >> >> unprofessional and politically bias.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2009/10/29/public-meeting-by-political-parties-is-a-constitutional-political-and-civic-right-and-not-a-privilege.html.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In an earlier coverage on the episode, Foroyya went as far as
 quote
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> number to the people that attended the rally. Were they guessing or
>> >> >> did they actually count the number of people that attended the
>> >> >> rally?
>> >> >> Foroyaa should do its best to always be seen to be independent of
>> >> >> PDOIS, if not their side of stories like this will be rejected
>> >> >> and/or
>> >> >> taken with a pinch of salt.
>> >> >> http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3750
>> >> >> Suntou Bolonba
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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