Continue on your path and you will be sorry... the mind is a terible thing to waste... you are another rebel without a course... I'm done with you and should have long time ago because no amount of education will make you grow... Wonna koo maayitan yurmeneh ..Allah Yafoo. (sympathy is not only for the dead). Demba On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:56 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Demba, I made my point. I heard lots of gossip on the fanatic or extremist > bits. it amuse me. Have your opinion, but remember the implications for what > you do. > Your over zealous PDOIS mentality makes you a casualty of being neutral > towards others, just like Foroyaa cannot afford being neutral when political > issues are the subject matter. My warning Demba which may be harsh are facts > which you need to take on board unless your editorship is unimportant to > you. In which case resign and be an ordinary bystander. That way, your > relevance in so far as media matter are concern will be nothing. take it or > continue soldiering for PDOIS. I have little interest in your opinions which > are general, when they become political, especially opposition matters, that > is a worry. Watch that bit, sarcasm is nothing i lose sleep over. > Suntou > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Extremist is the correct term... I was trying to be modest but it >> doesn't work with you. Thanks for using the right terms. Neutral in the >> public???.. don't have an opinion, don't be a regular human being, or a >> citizen. Just focus on your meager responsibility of trying to contribute to >> society... these are the dummest and most ignorant interpretation of roles >> and responsibilities. >> >> So being an editor takes away your duty as a citizen? Your natural human >> bias and your ability to function in any other setting... I am stunned for >> real. The more I read from you the more it affirms the notion that education >> is more than book knowledge... that sometimes there is nothing society can >> do to change how others think and reason... but it is still worth trying I >> think. >> >> it is absolutely amazing how narrow minded you are.. From one controversy >> to another, one offense to another.... I guess it may be that you are in >> search of your soul... this is why I still love to engage you and am sure >> others are too... because we love you as a brother and wish well for you... >> hopefully you will grow along with us... because failure to engage you could >> be more disasterous and it might just sway you in the unfortunate world of >> extremism.. which is dangerous... stay in touch... painful as it may >> be....but we can't throw away our own. >> >> Demba >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:53 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> Fundamentalist. You better say extremist. You support the issues that >>> you have presented Demba. Remember I have debated you over PDOIS on many >>> occasions. You are not a bystander in PDOIS affairs. Be brave and >>> acknowledge that. >>> You should be embarrase for yourself. I am not sentimental over public >>> matters. Grow up. What I refer is that, whether you support a particular >>> politician or not is not relevant, what you as an editor con GPU Secretary >>> General should do is be neutral in the public. You are caught up between >>> your love for Halifa and your role as Gainako man. Know where to let loose >>> your guns. For you be taken seriously both as a gainako editor and GPU >>> leader, you must approach matter delicately especially in public forums. You >>> seems to be seriously confuse over that. >>> I will continue to make such matters clear to you Dember, until such a >>> time yo realise, Editors do support individual political parties, but they >>> control their feelings so far as public discourse is concern. When you are >>> able to divorce the two, the conflict of interest which you are so oblivious >>> about will be taken care of. >>> Suntou >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>>> S.u.n.t.o.u..... >>>> >>>> What a fundamentalist view of issues Mr.... I guess you have never seen >>>> the New York times, Washington post or the The Times endorse a candidate or >>>> political party yeh? How lame?. Did Kejau endorse any party or candidate? >>>> Did Gainako endorse anybody? You offering advice ... wow on what moral >>>> ground? >>>> >>>> Dude, there is a difference between presenting an issue and supporting >>>> it... got it? We are in the business of presenting ideas regardless of >>>> whether we agree with them or not. Oh am sorry I forgot it takes common >>>> sense to know that.. These papers are not the BBC or GRTS.. they are not >>>> public corporations Got it? >>>> >>>> Am really embarrassed for you my brother... if you notice you have >>>> increasingly isolated folks from engaging you on these petty debates. I >>>> think though the mind is a terrible thing to waste and you certainly have >>>> more to offer. It is better to engage you no matter how painful it is with >>>> the hope that you will look at the issues with an objective mind, or at >>>> least think before you write or pick up the phone and call someone. Oh one >>>> more thing those credible UDP supporters should stop you from speaking for >>>> the Party.... you don't have the interest of the party period. Just food for >>>> thought... >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Demba >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:58 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Demba, may be you need to ask more experience media practioners >>>>> on the role of editors in the affairs of partisan politics. As for you, no >>>>> sane UDP person will even think of you to be neutal in your role as Gainako >>>>> editor towards our party. Yes, I am a contributor to Allgambian, the Gambia >>>>> Journal, sometimes Maafanta or even Gainako. My articles just like that of >>>>> all contributors pass through the hands of editors who reserve the right to >>>>> either publish or not to. >>>>> Whilst you are an editor of a Gambian news paper who we all believe >>>>> should be seen to be neutral even if it is not. Have you ever >>>>> seen experience editors taken sides towards the opposition parties, have you >>>>> ever seen season editors openly declaring their support for one opposition >>>>> against the other? You have to understand the enormous role place on the >>>>> doors of an editor Demba. I know you are learning, but learn fast my friend. >>>>> My advise to Kejau is just that, an advise. It is up to him to either >>>>> be calm and focus on issues or adopt a style he is comfortable with, which >>>>> may alianate a section of readers. So Demba blow the PDOIS trumpet as loud >>>>> as you can, but also expect us to see your paper as partisan and bias. You >>>>> cannot do anything about that. >>>>> Suntou for now is not an editor or publisher of any newspaper, when i >>>>> become one, my comments in public foras will change. >>>>> Be seen to be neutral Demba, if you cannot then, the judegment we pass >>>>> on you as the cheif of GPU USA and editor of Gainako is upto us. >>>>> Suntou >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wow... I guess this one is really interesting... what makes Suntou >>>>>> think that he can freely introduce topics here at his disposal but others >>>>>> have limited freedom to do the same? Is Suntou not affiliated with the >>>>>> GambiaJournal as a columnist and regularly forward pieces here? What is the >>>>>> difference between the two? Come on... >>>>>> >>>>>> This is getting outrageous and decent folks on this forum must try to >>>>>> make a stop to this Erratic tirade against our freedom of speech. Being >>>>>> affiliated with the media does not mean you cannot have an opinion >>>>>> politically or socially. So it is ok with Suntou to openly advocate >>>>>> political support but not others. I find this dilusional for real. This >>>>>> character need some isolation and I think it is becoming an embarrassment to >>>>>> be speaking for the UDP.... without anyone issuing a caution... >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to lead you must act and speak like a leader. This is >>>>>> what Gambians are demanding of our politicians who aspires to lead us. >>>>>> >>>>>> phew..... >>>>>> >>>>>> Demba >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:34 AM, suntou touray < >>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kejau, being in the media now places you on a delicate pedestal. >>>>>>> Beware of ways you introduce topics or subjects on forums. A media house >>>>>>> must be seen to be neutral no matter how strongly one feels about an issue. >>>>>>> Therefore, giving unnecessary introduction to the political adventure >>>>>>> project of Halifa is objectionable. >>>>>>> We at the UDP U.K have read the Agenda 2011 weeks ago. >>>>>>> All it contain is the similar PDOIS line of communicating. The Agenda >>>>>>> wish to re-activate the failed STDG attempts to get a leader among the five >>>>>>> opposition parties. >>>>>>> What we say is that, If Halifa is interested in any alliance or >>>>>>> coalitions, he should acknowledge the party that will pull the most votes >>>>>>> for the opposition, that party should lead, just like it happen in many >>>>>>> other countries. Read the whole agenda towards the end, you will see his >>>>>>> real intentions. There is no need for wasting time over a flawed idea from >>>>>>> the beginning. >>>>>>> We aim for a party lead alliance, headed by the UDP. There will be >>>>>>> one term limit for the opposition president, and all other issues will >>>>>>> follow. >>>>>>> I for one don't buy Halifa's ideas now and even unless he change the >>>>>>> core contentious parts, the core is the leadership. Yet up to now, Halifa is >>>>>>> not willing to swallow his ego and accept that, the UDP by virtue of its >>>>>>> size should head a coalition of opposition parties. Giving more media >>>>>>> exposure to the agenda will not trick us. From when it was published in the >>>>>>> Gambia echo, Gainako, the real goal was known, so let Halifa change route >>>>>>> and accept what will work. A larger part of the paper is patronising to say >>>>>>> the least. Gambians don't need lecturing on politics, all they need is free >>>>>>> media and genuine civil society daily normal dialogue. >>>>>>> With respect. >>>>>>> Suntou >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kejau Touray < >>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of >>>>>>>> Agenda 2011 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of >>>>>>>> Agenda 2011 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As Gambians approach 2011 presidential and national assembly >>>>>>>> elections we are again faced with immense task of organising and >>>>>>>> participating under very unfavourable conditions. Many have expressed hope >>>>>>>> of the opposition parties getting together to form another coalition, early >>>>>>>> in the day to avoid the repeated failings to unite. Many are still mute on >>>>>>>> such laudable efforts and as usual treading cautiously, despite the urgency >>>>>>>> of the situation, especially organisations such as STGDP and other media >>>>>>>> outlets on line off line. >>>>>>>> With the state media virtually fixed on the incumbent everyday and >>>>>>>> even more in his countrywide campaign trails and absolutely giving no >>>>>>>> coverage to the other six active political parties, citizens have to find >>>>>>>> alternative and more ingenious means to organise and communicate. This >>>>>>>> coupled with enactments of tightening and repressive media laws by the >>>>>>>> Gambia government meant that Gambian can never have access to any other >>>>>>>> alternative view. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read full story >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue 05/01/10 10:30 , Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > President of Senegal Due in Banjul this morning to reassure >>>>>>>> Gambians, >>>>>>>> > amidst Gambia government's recent accusations >>>>>>>> > Maitre Wade is due in Banjul this morning with a large delegation >>>>>>>> > for a working day visit after Daily Observer, Yaya Jammeh's >>>>>>>> > propaganda machinery serialized a purported letter from rebel >>>>>>>> leader, >>>>>>>> > Kukoye Samba Sanyang accusing Senegal's president of facilitating >>>>>>>> > armed incursions into The Gambia. Gambia government under Yaya >>>>>>>> Jammeh >>>>>>>> > had even written letters to the then UN Secretary General, Kofi >>>>>>>> Annan >>>>>>>> > accusing Wade of helping Gambian dissidents. >>>>>>>> > This is the first of the elderly statesman's visit, since 2006 >>>>>>>> > despite the historical, political as well the geographical close >>>>>>>> ties >>>>>>>> > between Gambia and Senegal. Commentators suggest that Wade is due >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> > to amend the obvious strain between the sisterly countries amid >>>>>>>> > renewed accusations from The Gambian dictator that Wade meddles in >>>>>>>> > Gambia's internal security affairs.This is despite the fact that >>>>>>>> Yaya >>>>>>>> > Jammeh, originally from Casamance, Senegal's troubled region has >>>>>>>> > consistently dined and wined with those same rebel leaders whilst >>>>>>>> > mediating between the rebels and Senegalese government. Gambian >>>>>>>> > disidents were often abducted by those rebels and smuggled into >>>>>>>> > Gambia for persecutions, >>>>>>>> > Read Full Story >>>>>>>> > On Mon 04/01/10 12:34 , wrote: >>>>>>>> > > Please find petition below for your perusal and necessary >>>>>>>> > signature. >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/NADD0110/petition.html<http://www.petitiononline.com/NADD0110/petition.html> >>>>>>>> > > To: UDP, PDOIS, PPP, NRP, NDAM Leaderships >>>>>>>> > > We the undersigned Gambians and friends of The Gambia, from all >>>>>>>> > > walks of life and various political parties and civil >>>>>>>> > organisations, >>>>>>>> > > wish to petition our opposition political leadership to unite as >>>>>>>> > soon >>>>>>>> > > as possible to enable us as a united opposition front to end the >>>>>>>> > self >>>>>>>> > > perpetuating rule of the AFPRC/APRC government,and the impunity >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> > > have and restore human rights, democracy and rule of law in The 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