Demba, Thanx for your views. I hear you. And I think Suntou hears you. Now the question is not whether you are neutral or biased or whether you should be. You are now incarcerated and have the distinct honour of accruing value for Chief Manneh from your bias or neutrality. The jury is still out on that. And I couldn't help but notice you taking license to speak here while you are incarcerated. Until we receive the bond amount of $20.00 from Suntou, you are still not free. Sankareh will sign your release barring another donation to keep you incarcerated. So I understand your anxiety in captivity but I will be delinquent should I entertain jail-breaks from you. Besides, you have said all these before and if we leave it up to you and SUntou, we may never get closure. At least he's willing to purchase your freedom so you can continue to be Demba. Plus, this effort is only Ellenecho's participation in the more comprehensive fundraising you will roll out. Any funds raised here will be combined with funds raised in other communities such as Posten, MaaFanta, and other niche communities. It will make for customized fundraising, each according to their understanding of the need. Thank you Demba. As much as I agony over your desire to speak right now, I will be found delinquent in my duties as Ellenecho warden and Sankareh will not forgive me. The Ellen community will not forgive me either. I recommend you plead with your friends to ensure your freedom so they can benefit from your value. The idea is that whatever value you have, it cannot be fully appreciated while another violates your human rights. So forget about whether you are biased or neutral for now. And this exercise has the added value of informing Suntou as to his own extremities. Benign or malignant. After you are freed, we will arraign Suntou to determine his net value to our community here at Ellen. So give us the opportunity to discern your values and erstwhile extremities. I feel for you Demba. Haruna. I love you men. In a message dated 1/17/2010 2:43:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Haruna, I would like to thank Suntou for his advance donation to the chief Manneh pending fundraising kick off. I would encourage many others to follow suit and God willing we will come out with a comprehensive communique for all to have the opportunity to donate to our friend and brother's family. On a more serious note, I think we may be trading on thin ice on the issue of bias. Sometimes when allegations and mischaracterizations are made and not challenged they become a false truth. I challenged Suntou on his negative approach to partisan politics on the forums and many others did too. I mentioned that at this time what we need is not banging the heads of the opposition leaders against each other but work hard to bring them to the same table. Suntou's obsession with Halifa makes him blind to the fact that both Darboe and Halifa need each other and their parties regardless of size to have any political success in the Gambia. So while he can rightfully support the UDP party, he is infact obstructing their chances of being successful in leading a strong union. This is what everyone here try to put into Suntou's head. If he truly loves UDP's chances of leading a union and ultimately the country, then common sense dictates that he recognize groups that increase chances of his party attaining the ultimate goal. Now as soon as people try to draw his attention to this important issue, he brand you as PDOIS supporter. And my point has always been we all have the right to support any party we want. I have proudly supported both the PDOIS and the UDP in the past and I still continue to agree with some policies of both parties and oppose others. If you talk to true UDP supporters not vocalist who speak for themselves, then they will tell you I have a soft heart and admiration for its leader and his family. So does it make sense for Suntou to continue to speak negatively for the UDP... I say No and party militants this forum need to shut him up or at least he shouldn't speak for the party simply because he doesn't have a clue what he stands for. Finally, I will challenge anyone in the open who would brand Gainako as bias. We have presented views of all parties and have diverse contributors to our site. We respect dissenting views and we are proud of it but we will never allowed others to use for personal revenge. This is why we have standards on what we carry. Gainako is different because the paper does not belong to any one individual.... The opinions of its individual editors are entirely different from the position of the paper. So this issue of bias need to be substantiated or be buried in Ellen as false and malicious from Suntou who is already very well known for his negativity here. He simply cannot counsel people on neutrality because he doesn't know what it means. Hope that helps... Demba On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Exciting Suntou. I am pleased even as you view Demba to be malignantly biased, you still will donate $20.00 to secure his freedom so he can be biased again. This indicates to me that your passionate claim of Demba's debilitating bias does not preclude your desire for a free Demba. In effect, you are demonstrating that even if you vehemently disagree with your fellow citizen, his/her freedom is indispensably tied to your own freedom and that freedom by itself or the lack thereof does not significantly affect scope of disdain, crime, or perceived malignancy. What it also demonstrates to us is that your view of Demba can be open to challenge by other, all while Demba remains free from arrest, incarceration, or other infringement from other. In essence, Demba is free to be Demba until he transgresses on the rights and freedom of his fellow citizens. It is evident therefore that when we receive your $20.00 equivalent donation to afford Demba freedom to continue to be Demba, he still is at the mercy of another jailer who may wish to donate for his re-incarceration. De-minimis, Demba will live in a halo of on-again off-again shows of disdain and secours and Demba will be able to inventory the net value of his life on his fellow citizen. Demba eagerly awaits your donation to purchase his freedom if temporal. You are a great man Suntou and I declare Demba does not have a better friend among his fellow citizens than yourself, the tonguicoff notwithstanding. I encourage Karim and the Olfactor to weigh in on Demba's dilemma in as demonstrable a manner as only they can. Demba always informs me how many friends he has in our community and I have always been wanting to put that postulation to the test. I think we can get a closure not on whether Demba is or should be Neutral or biased, but how to manage his bias or neutrality more valuably for mankind. I am confident you are not purchasing Demba's freedom so Freedomnews can secure their interview. The man Nderry must be challenged to recognize value in Demba enough to want to secure his freedom. I will be liaising with warden Sankareh of Ellenecho jail to sign Demba's free pass so he can afford Freedomnews an interview. Its all out of my hands when I receive your donation of $20.00 Suntou barring another fellow citizen donating for Demba's continued incarceration and more impressive fund-raising for Chief Manneh. I commend your spirit and appreciate Nderry's apparent concern for Demba's freedom. Haruna. In a message dated 1/16/2010 7:00:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) writes: Haruna, your initiative is a good strategy to raise funds for our brother Ebirma Manneh. My observations of Demba stems from a two year analysis of his politics. He categorised me just has any fanatic PDOIS fellow would do. Only they has the ability to comprehend rationally so far as the Gambia is concern. Some of them would even have you believe that, the accumulation of socialist ideas in the Bereau is much better than attending any University. Demba for his pride refuse to capture my simple points. He is not like any ordinary communicator here. That doesn't mean he cannot air his heart's content. Many other editors are right here on all the forums even if they make it out they are not with us. But they know how sensitive the job of an editor is. I know deep down Demba knows what i said were correct, but to safe his face he kept jabbing at me. I will donate $20 Dollars to set him free Masoud. Deal! Suntou On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Don't tell me you missed it again. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Haruna Darboe <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:12 am Subject: Re: Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of Agenda 2011 What happened? I didn't get any closure as to whether Demba is or should be neutral. I think both Suntou and Demba made some great points. Suntou expressed his perception of Demba and his repulsion at Demba's apparent bias given Demba's dual roles as editor of the indomitable Gainako and Secretary General of the GPU-USA. Demba shared that to be neutral is not human and that his apparent bias ought not take away from his value as a social entrepreneur. These are seminal considerations for mankind. And we are none the wiser for them. Let us just say Demba is on trial by a prospective subscriber to Gainako. And I happen to know Demba is working on a fund-raising campaign for Chief Ebrima Manneh. So I'll put Demba in Ellen's and Mafanta's penitentiary (EMCM jail for you Mams). To minimize the affect of Demba's bias, you could donate $5.00 or equivalent to keep him locked up. If Demba has any friends here who want to see him released, they can counter with an equal donation. We will keep this going for as long as we have folk pro or con Demba's freedom. All proceeds go to the Chief Manneh Fund. So I begin by pledging $20.00 to arraign Demba and put him in lockdown. This means Demba cannot speak here on Ellen until an amount equal to $20.00 is donated to grant him license to speak in his defense. You notice Chief Manneh remains abducted and is unable to speak or defend himself. Imagine Demba in the same condition to imagine what Chief Manneh must be dealing with. Until we establish an address to send the donations to, you can send all donations to: The Global Democracy Project Chief Manneh Fund P.O. Box 775 Lithia Springs, GA. 30122 Please note Demba Jail or Demba Free. I will share a running tally with you from time to time. Suffice it to say Demba is now officially in jail. At least he'll figure out if he has any friends who agony over his incarceration. Suntou, don't change the rules. If you want to prolong his incarceration, you can donate to Demba Jail even if there is excess funds for his incarceration. If you really think he's biased, you wouldn't wanna hear his mouth again. Only a moratorium can pardon him. And that Moratorium will come from Galleh and JDAM in a joint communique'. Should they deadlock on which way to go, Yero will break the tie. Ok I love you all. Keep the people of Haiti in your prayers and help them if you can. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Re: Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of Agenda 2011 Thanx Demba. I like you mixing hal pulaar in your conversations. It makes the conversation more intimate and helps to soothe Suntou. Also it helps me polish my language skills in hal pulaar. My friend Dem is not terribly conversant so he is shirking on his responsibilities to teach me Pulaar. I want him to know his great father assigned him the task of teaching me the language because all my siblings can speak it comfortably except myself. He can claim he wasn't aware of that onerous task but I know what I heard in 1979. So I'm calling him to let him know that you Demba have officially taken his place for his own delinquency. Don't just call me once a year to wish me happy new year, Happy Tobaski, happy this and happy that in Pulaar. I'm not pleased with you Dem. Demba please continue to infuse life in our conversations. Maybe, just maybe, you'll save someone's life other than Suntou. And I have a word or two about this Neutrality business Suntou and Demba. I'll share that later or tomorrow. So keep the Tonguicoff going for a while longer. If you stop I'll remind you two. You know I will. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of Agenda 2011 Continue on your path and you will be sorry... the mind is a terible thing to waste... you are another rebel without a course... I'm done with you and should have long time ago because no amount of education will make you grow... Wonna koo maayitan yurmeneh ..Allah Yafoo. (sympathy is not only for the dead). Demba On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:56 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Demba, I made my point. I heard lots of gossip on the fanatic or extremist bits. it amuse me. Have your opinion, but remember the implications for what you do. Your over zealous PDOIS mentality makes you a casualty of being neutral towards others, just like Foroyaa cannot afford being neutral when political issues are the subject matter. My warning Demba which may be harsh are facts which you need to take on board unless your editorship is unimportant to you. In which case resign and be an ordinary bystander. That way, your relevance in so far as media matter are concern will be nothing. take it or continue soldiering for PDOIS. I have little interest in your opinions which are general, when they become political, especially opposition matters, that is a worry. Watch that bit, sarcasm is nothing i lose sleep over. Suntou On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Extremist is the correct term... I was trying to be modest but it doesn't work with you. Thanks for using the right terms. Neutral in the public???.. don't have an opinion, don't be a regular human being, or a citizen. Just focus on your meager responsibility of trying to contribute to society... these are the dummest and most ignorant interpretation of roles and responsibilities. So being an editor takes away your duty as a citizen? Your natural human bias and your ability to function in any other setting... I am stunned for real. The more I read from you the more it affirms the notion that education is more than book knowledge... that sometimes there is nothing society can do to change how others think and reason... but it is still worth trying I think. it is absolutely amazing how narrow minded you are.. From one controversy to another, one offense to another.... I guess it may be that you are in search of your soul... this is why I still love to engage you and am sure others are too... because we love you as a brother and wish well for you... hopefully you will grow along with us... because failure to engage you could be more disasterous and it might just sway you in the unfortunate world of extremism.. which is dangerous... stay in touch... painful as it may be....but we can't throw away our own. Demba On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:53 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Fundamentalist. You better say extremist. You support the issues that you have presented Demba. Remember I have debated you over PDOIS on many occasions. You are not a bystander in PDOIS affairs. Be brave and acknowledge that. You should be embarrase for yourself. I am not sentimental over public matters. Grow up. What I refer is that, whether you support a particular politician or not is not relevant, what you as an editor con GPU Secretary General should do is be neutral in the public. You are caught up between your love for Halifa and your role as Gainako man. Know where to let loose your guns. For you be taken seriously both as a gainako editor and GPU leader, you must approach matter delicately especially in public forums. You seems to be seriously confuse over that. I will continue to make such matters clear to you Dember, until such a time yo realise, Editors do support individual political parties, but they control their feelings so far as public discourse is concern. When you are able to divorce the two, the conflict of interest which you are so oblivious about will be taken care of. Suntou On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: S.u.n.t.o.u..... What a fundamentalist view of issues Mr.... I guess you have never seen the New York times, Washington post or the The Times endorse a candidate or political party yeh? How lame?. Did Kejau endorse any party or candidate? Did Gainako endorse anybody? You offering advice ... wow on what moral ground? Dude, there is a difference between presenting an issue and supporting it... got it? We are in the business of presenting ideas regardless of whether we agree with them or not. Oh am sorry I forgot it takes common sense to know that.. These papers are not the BBC or GRTS.. they are not public corporations Got it? Am really embarrassed for you my brother... if you notice you have increasingly isolated folks from engaging you on these petty debates. I think though the mind is a terrible thing to waste and you certainly have more to offer. It is better to engage you no matter how painful it is with the hope that you will look at the issues with an objective mind, or at least think before you write or pick up the phone and call someone. Oh one more thing those credible UDP supporters should stop you from speaking for the Party.... you don't have the interest of the party period. Just food for thought... Regards Demba On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:58 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Demba, may be you need to ask more experience media practioners on the role of editors in the affairs of partisan politics. As for you, no sane UDP person will even think of you to be neutal in your role as Gainako editor towards our party. Yes, I am a contributor to Allgambian, the Gambia Journal, sometimes Maafanta or even Gainako. My articles just like that of all contributors pass through the hands of editors who reserve the right to either publish or not to. Whilst you are an editor of a Gambian news paper who we all believe should be seen to be neutral even if it is not. Have you ever seen experience editors taken sides towards the opposition parties, have you ever seen season editors openly declaring their support for one opposition against the other? You have to understand the enormous role place on the doors of an editor Demba. I know you are learning, but learn fast my friend. My advise to Kejau is just that, an advise. It is up to him to either be calm and focus on issues or adopt a style he is comfortable with, which may alianate a section of readers. So Demba blow the PDOIS trumpet as loud as you can, but also expect us to see your paper as partisan and bias. You cannot do anything about that. Suntou for now is not an editor or publisher of any newspaper, when i become one, my comments in public foras will change. Be seen to be neutral Demba, if you cannot then, the judegment we pass on you as the cheif of GPU USA and editor of Gainako is upto us. Suntou On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Wow... I guess this one is really interesting... what makes Suntou think that he can freely introduce topics here at his disposal but others have limited freedom to do the same? Is Suntou not affiliated with the GambiaJournal as a columnist and regularly forward pieces here? What is the difference between the two? Come on... This is getting outrageous and decent folks on this forum must try to make a stop to this Erratic tirade against our freedom of speech. Being affiliated with the media does not mean you cannot have an opinion politically or socially. So it is ok with Suntou to openly advocate political support but not others. I find this dilusional for real. This character need some isolation and I think it is becoming an embarrassment to be speaking for the UDP.... without anyone issuing a caution... If you want to lead you must act and speak like a leader. This is what Gambians are demanding of our politicians who aspires to lead us. phew..... Demba On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:34 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Kejau, being in the media now places you on a delicate pedestal. Beware of ways you introduce topics or subjects on forums. A media house must be seen to be neutral no matter how strongly one feels about an issue. Therefore, giving unnecessary introduction to the political adventure project of Halifa is objectionable. We at the UDP U.K have read the Agenda 2011 weeks ago. All it contain is the similar PDOIS line of communicating. The Agenda wish to re-activate the failed STDG attempts to get a leader among the five opposition parties. What we say is that, If Halifa is interested in any alliance or coalitions, he should acknowledge the party that will pull the most votes for the opposition, that party should lead, just like it happen in many other countries. Read the whole agenda towards the end, you will see his real intentions. There is no need for wasting time over a flawed idea from the beginning. We aim for a party lead alliance, headed by the UDP. There will be one term limit for the opposition president, and all other issues will follow. I for one don't buy Halifa's ideas now and even unless he change the core contentious parts, the core is the leadership. Yet up to now, Halifa is not willing to swallow his ego and accept that, the UDP by virtue of its size should head a coalition of opposition parties. Giving more media exposure to the agenda will not trick us. From when it was published in the Gambia echo, Gainako, the real goal was known, so let Halifa change route and accept what will work. A larger part of the paper is patronising to say the least. Gambians don't need lecturing on politics, all they need is free media and genuine civil society daily normal dialogue. With respect. Suntou On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of Agenda 2011 Analysis of the objectives, values, hurdles and organisation of Agenda 2011 As Gambians approach 2011 presidential and national assembly elections we are again faced with immense task of organising and participating under very unfavourable conditions. Many have expressed hope of the opposition parties getting together to form another coalition, early in the day to avoid the repeated failings to unite. Many are still mute on such laudable efforts and as usual treading cautiously, despite the urgency of the situation, especially organisations such as STGDP and other media outlets on line off line. With the state media virtually fixed on the incumbent everyday and even more in his countrywide campaign trails and absolutely giving no coverage to the other six active political parties, citizens have to find alternative and more ingenious means to organise and communicate. This coupled with enactments of tightening and repressive media laws by the Gambia government meant that Gambian can never have access to any other alternative view. Read full story On Tue 05/01/10 10:30 , Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: > President of Senegal Due in Banjul this morning to reassure Gambians, > amidst Gambia government's recent accusations > Maitre Wade is due in Banjul this morning with a large delegation > for a working day visit after Daily Observer, Yaya Jammeh's > propaganda machinery serialized a purported letter from rebel leader, > Kukoye Samba Sanyang accusing Senegal's president of facilitating > armed incursions into The Gambia. Gambia government under Yaya Jammeh > had even written letters to the then UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan > accusing Wade of helping Gambian dissidents. > This is the first of the elderly statesman's visit, since 2006 > despite the historical, political as well the geographical close ties > between Gambia and Senegal. Commentators suggest that Wade is due in > to amend the obvious strain between the sisterly countries amid > renewed accusations from The Gambian dictator that Wade meddles in > Gambia's internal security affairs.This is despite the fact that Yaya > Jammeh, originally from Casamance, Senegal's troubled region has > consistently dined and wined with those same rebel leaders whilst > mediating between the rebels and Senegalese government. 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