Rene,
It may be evident from what you share here about PDOIS, that PDOIS, UDP,
NRP, GMC all believe in the same
things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder if you
see what I see?
Sovereign Gambian - Gambian accorded the universal human rights of freedom
of speech, association, religion, and industry. That goes far beyond
partisanship and ethnicity.They are the universal Gambian ideals.
We want a Gambia we can all be proud of.
To awaken the conscience, and arouse the intellectual curiosity and
consciousness of our (the) sovereign Gambian (vis-a-vis his/her) reality;
(so much - how much?) so that we will be able to (fathom not only with what is
wrong with what we do, but also how best we can do it better) determine our own
destinies as we desire.
to build a strong democractic culture; promote the rule of law; civil
liberties; freedom of speech and
expression; independence of the judiciary
and legislature; a viable and sound economic policy and a political structure
the (that) engenders (includes) presidential term limits, and give
opportunity to every Gambian to
serve his/her country on the basis of
what he or she can deliver, rather that what or where he or she belongs.
I wonder if PDOIS' problem is that they do not see their fellow citizens as
desiring these values. If this is what PDOIS really belives in as you share, I
would advise them that there is no need to go into a-social sequestration to
convince anyone that you really believe in these universal ideals. It is indeed
sad that with these ideals and beliefs, PDOIS cannot persuade an equal
number of voters as UDP and NRP. I mean with this program, the opposition
votes ought to always be 30% to each. As it is, if GMC contests the 2011
elections, she is likely to poll more than the 6% PDOIS got. I don't
understand. I suppose you will share with us that the Gambian does not know how
to vote. So much for friggin sovereign.
Haruna.
In a message dated 2/17/2010 10:21:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Yanks,
Trust me, I feel
uncomfortable to belabor this issue any
further; but, if the knowledge
base is ideological, it has never been
baseless. It is premise on sound
intellectual reasoning.
It started
with a concept; the idea of a sovereign Gambian
identity that goes far
beyond the frontiers of our partisan or ethnic
dispositions, to carve the
destiny of a nation that we all proudly call
our home.
Second, it has a mission to awaken the conscience,
and arouse
the intellectual curiosity and consciousness of our soverieign
Gambian
reality; so much so that we will be able to fathom not only with
what
is wrong with what we do, but also how best we can do it
better.
Third, it has a vision to
build a strong democractic culture;
promote the rule of law; civil
liberties; freedom of speech and
expression; independence of the judiciary
and legislature; a viable and
sound economic policy and a political
structure the engenders
presidential term limits, and give opportunity to
every Gambian to
serve his/her country on the basis of what he or
she can deliver,
rather that what or where he or she
belongs.
Now, what is baseless in
harboring such laudable ideals?
Rene
-----Original Message-----
From: yanks dabo
<[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed,
Feb 17, 2010 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
Rene wrote:
"There has been a consistent
knowledge base in the approach that PDOIS
sympathizers address issues; and
it all falls within the contours of
what PDOIS has
been arguing
for years. That is why it would be difficult to separate
how Halifa thinks
with what Modou writes".
I hope with hindsight the
PDOIS would have detached itselves from such
a
baseless
ideological knowledge base, that yielded no fruit for the
party, except
to boost egos
of certain individuals in it into
thinking that they masters of the
earth!
Furthermore, the
only reason why one can't separate the thinking of
Halifa and
Modou
Nyang is that both have proven to be very deceitful
with truth. Where
as Halifa
misrepresented elections
figures to prove his point; Modou Nyang
misrepresented
Halifa
into some hero like person, who saved the Gambians from Yahya
Jammeh's
witch hunters. When that has not been the
truth.
I still can't believe that this Nyang Mr stated
what he stated. In fact
since Jammeh pardon
Halifa about
the witch craft saga issue, the topic had become a taboo
for
Halifa, until
Mr Nyang started it. Yet Nyang misrepresented
him as the hero who saved
the day.
Even that truth
about Nyang, you folks wish to see him as some hero
presenting the
the
truth here.
You guys must be
kidding!
Nyang is a liar, simple!
Nemesis
Yanks
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010
15:06:25 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Let us turn
a new page
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
Bailo,
> I have had a series of private exchanges with Modou, and I
can
> also detect his sharp intellect and wit. It is not surprising,
though,
> given that he has been a journalist with foroyaa. There
has been a
> consistent knowledge base in the approach that PDOIS
sympathizers
> address issues; and it all falls within the contours of
what PDOIS
has
> been arguing for years. That is why it would be
difficult to
separate
> how Halifa thinks with what Modou
writes.
>
> Rene
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: bailo jallow
<[log in to unmask]>
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 1:45 pm
>
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>
> Modou,
>
> I
ought to point out that you are so articulate in your
contributions
> that some of our fellow G-Lers think that Halifa is
the one
writing for
> you. It is really funny. That's a credit for
you. Keep it up.
>
> I also highly appreciate your role of sharing
with us Foroyaa
articles
> that ever focus on pertinent Gambian
issues.
>
> Finally, I must also commend you for not reciprocating
against the
> Halifa-haters by bashing their preferred candidate. That
said,
> everybody reserves the right
to...................................
>
> Bailo
>
>
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: Modou Nyang
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, 17
February, 2010, 18:07
>
> Koto Bailo, thanks again for your wise
counsel. This approach is
not
> the most desirable especially at
this time and period of our
troubles.
> Nonetheless, sometimes
trashing out issues is necessary in an
attempt
> to find a common
ground. What i am doing now is the least i had
> expected to be involved
in rather it is the opposite that
interests me
> the most.
>
However, i cannot just watch a gang of few spreading lies and
rumours
> in such respectable foras with many a senior citizens of
ours. And
to
> your question, NO, i do not see my self as having any
influence in
any
> decision whatsoever at this period. I just happen
to have some
opposing
> views to what is being paraded as the best
solution to our
problem.
> May be i am wrong
too.
>
> Nyang
>
> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, bailo jallow
<[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: bailo jallow
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, February
17, 2010, 11:22 AM
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I don't know
whether you realised that you are still going round
in
> circles. If
a united opposition stance against the dictatorship
> depended on you,
then the dictator is at greatly at ease. Please
tell
> me you have
near zero influence in this regard.
>
> While you are still going
round and round, the incumbent is busy
> misusing our public funds
buying the loyalty of unsuspecting
Gambian
> voters. Please let us
instead give emphasis to alerting our
friends and
> relatives that
all these donations by the dictator is merely to
buy to
> entrench
his tyranny over Gambians. Abdoukarim, you and Banka need
to
> work
on Brufut.
>
> I could already hear some political pundit telling
us that since
any
> future Government in the Gambia is likely to
resort to such
tactics
> albeit on a lower scale, then it is no big
deal. It is indeed a
big
> deal.
>
> All said and done,
it remains the right of every qualified Gambian
who
> wishes to
contest for political office to do so. Therefore no
person
> should
be maligned into supporting another's candidate. That's
> coercion! It
is both uncivilised and unacceptable. I expect the
> leadership of the
UDP or NADD alliances not to resort to or fall
for
>
this.
>
> Halifa is not the barrier to the realisation of
Ousainou's
presidential
> ambitions, nor is Ousainou the obstacle to
the fulfilment of
Halifa's
> Agenda 2011. Let us therefore stop
feigning that such is the case.
>
> Finally, I urge you all to
leave my niece, Kumba Gaye out of this
> discussion; she is just 12 and
have no interest, whatsoever in
> politics. Let the writer try another
pen-name.
>
> Bailo
>
>
> --- On Wed, 17/2/10,
yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From:
yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a
new page
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, 17
February, 2010, 13:25
>
>
> Suntu
>
> Who
does this Modou Nyang thinks he is; asking you to call "Darboe
and
> ask him
> whether they have reached the decision that
the only alliance he
Darboe
> and the
> UDP would be a part of
is one which endorses his candidature for
the
> 2011
>
Presidential elections".
>
> Maaaaaaaaaan!!! Tell
this Ndokey Nyang not to play with us! Who
does he
> thinks
>
we are; his errand boys!!
>
> As for his claim that he
wants "to be fair to the UDP leadership.
I
> know they
are
> matured people and know what is at stake. We are dealing with
the
> future of the
> Gambia and I do not want to judge the UDP by
the words of its
> sycophants".
>
> He seems too
late for to reckon that fact, as he had already
> been unfair to
the UDP
> leadership and judged the UDP leadership in his reaction
to the
UDP
> UK's rejoinder.
> Less that reaction had not been
written by Nyang but by his Halifa
> Sallah; to make
> him
not to realise his errors.
>
> One other point for Mr
Nyang, is that we wait for his article
about why
> UDP's
strategy
> will fail, which he promised to publish on
Freedomnewspaper. I'm
sure
> his knows it will
> no go
unchallenged.
>
>
> Yanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:07:24 +0000
> From:
[log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>
To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Suntou, one more thing before
I come Daffeh’s way. This just came
to me
> while scribbling in
response to Sonny. Because you are the
coordinator,
> I saw your
photo with Darboe during his visit to the UK, you look
good
> bro,
however that still does not make put you in major decision
making
>
position in the party especially with regards to opposition unity.
> And
when I wrote to Uncle Haruna the following: "If you want to be
>
Darboe’s Press Secretary could you give us the UDP position on the
way
> forward instead of pouring venom on Halifa for being bold
enough
to
> come up with concrete proposals?", Yanks tried to take
ownership
of it.
> But I am not interested in his ranting but only
for the part he
quoted
> Daffeh as thus: "Halifa Sallah and his
PDOIS Party should put
their
> personal pride, egos and idealism
aside and immediately embrace a
UDP
> led alliance without any
obnoxious precondition whatsoever". This
is
> where I want to tackle
Daffeh.
>
> But before that I need your help first. I want
to be fair to the
UDP
> leadership. I know they are matured people
and know what is at
stake.
> We are dealing with the future of the
Gambia and I do not want to
judge
> the UDP by the words of its
sycophants. Before I write I would
want you
> to call Darboe and ask
him whether they have reached the decision
that
> the only alliance
he Darboe and the UDP would be a part of is one
which
> endorses his
candidature for the 2011 Presidential elections.
>
> I am still
not convinced that the UDP leadership will be calling
on
> people to
give it money so that it prepares for failure. That is
> political
suicide and any body who helps them in that venture must
be
> seen
to be either driven by nepotism, tribalism or opportunism.
Only
>
people who are infected with such disease could reason in the
>
irrational manner Sonny Daffeh chose to do. The issue that the UDP
>
Sycophants refuse to look at is how to bring about change.
>
>
Suntou, please do this for the sake of our country. I know you
were
> with Darboe not long ago but you can talk to him again at
least
one
> more time. Agreed? Good, and thank you. I will be
expecting you
within
> the next 24 hours to give a reply and I will
then prove to you
that it
> is the positions you take which makes
Agenda 2011 the best option
> available so far for those who want
change.
>
> That is why you are focusing on hate messages against
Halifa and
not
> showing why the agenda is unworkable. I am using my
real name but
you
> people are hiding to a point of using the name
Kumba Gaye to
attack me
> for exposing the bankruptcy of your
position.
>
> Nyang
>
> --- On Mon, 2/15/10, suntou touray
<[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: suntou touray
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, February
15, 2010, 8:50 PM
>
> Modou, I can see that you are desperate to
tag me with every
negative
> jargon. Bring them on. What you are
failing to notice is that, the
way
> UDP dominate in terms of
support on the ground, is the same right
where
> you are. So hold
your horse on the negativity, it doesn't bother
me.
> KKK, we know
who the real ones are.Suntou and his UDP fellow
members
> are focus
on what matters, exposing the dubious political
propaganda by
>
Halifa is just a small part of our work. Don't get affected to the
>
level you are willing to stoop low as some of your coward
colleagues.
> Halifa should also stop writing stuffs for you, people
can tell
the
> difference. It is making me cringe, in as much as
wish to see him
do
> the right thing, taking unnecessary disastrous
route is something
i
> don’t recommend he will do.Wherever Suntou is
confirmed a KKK,
Modou
> Nayan and his friends will be loyal members
too.Too cheap
friendSuntou
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM,
Modou Nyang
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Uncle
Haruna, I got you loud and clear. You do not want to wade
into
>
political mathematics and you are not the Press Secretary of the
UDP.
> There is nothing for us to debate. I will then go back to the
UK
club.
>
> However I must tell you that I have noticed in
your writing that
there
> is a generation gap between us. This is
why you cannot identify
some of
> my cultural symbolism's. Even
though it is out of place for a
nephew to
> give advise to an uncle
I do see the desire in you to do something
> constructive for the
Gambia. I therefore hope that you will give
up the
> posture which
gives you the image of a person who want to be on
top of
> every
body else.
>
> I really could not understand what problem you have
in the
provisions
> of the constitution being disseminated in a
practical and relevant
way
> ad infinitum. It is our national
document and we need to know it
to
> promote the rule of law. I also
could not understand why you felt
that
> those who give birth to
educated children cannot understand
government
> budgets if
explained in their own language. The problem of the
Gambia
> is not
the people but those who claim to know but are illiterates
in
> our
local languages. Hence they cannot communicate what they have
> learned
to the grass-roots.
>
> Certain kinds of information are meant for
the goose and another
to the
> gander. I certainly wanted to
challenge you on your comments
regarding
> the Brufut donations but
now I think I will leave you alone.
However, I
> will not close my
chapter with you for the moment without
expressing my
>
disappointment at your comment that you did not read Agenda 2011
but
> used it as toilet paper.
>
> Please don’t be a
partner to Suntou’s friend whose Ku-Klux-Clan
and
> Rush Limburg
attitude is so full of hate and prejudice that does
not
> allow him
to see good in anyone who does not bow down to his
wishes.
> Uncle
Haruna Halifa and those in their fifties belong to the last
>
group of the generation of people who have now reached retirement
age
> and you the people in your 40s (am guessing, as you
informed me
that
> Sam was your teacher) belong to the first group
who should be
leading
> our generation. I feel ashamed that those of
us in our 30s could
be
> reading such vulgar words from people who
should be our role
models.
>
> You must promise that any time
you speak again you will do so as
a
> responsible elder who
aims to inspire the generation just after
you. If
> we follow the
footsteps of Suntu and the haters Gambia is in
trouble
> for a long
time to come. I will now devote my time to them to
prevent
> them
from misleading themselves since they can mislead no other
person
>
in the world. There intolerance is already becoming apparent. Even
>
Jeggan is now PDOIS even though he is advocating for a primary
that
> include people who are not members of political parties. What
could be
> more democratic than that? To them it must be their
leader or no
one
> else. We are now beginning to see who the real
sycophants are.
>
> Nyang
>
> --- On Mon, 2/15/10,
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
>
>
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us
turn a new page
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Date:
Monday, February 15, 2010, 1:24 PM
>
>
> Yanks, Thanx for
sharing. Although I don't know the man, but I
liken
> Daffeh to Carl
Rove and James Carville. The man is simply
excellent.
> You would
wish UDP/NRP had a 1000 Daffehs, Karambas, SUntous,
Ansus,
> and
Yankses.
>
> Aaaaaaallleeeeeh! Haruna.
>
>
----Original Message-----
> From: yanks dabo
<[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 12:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
>
>
>
> For the attention of Modou Nyang,
Pa Samba Jow (Coach), Halifa
Sallah,
> and the rest of the
anti-UDP
> Movement!
> I bring to your attention this article
culled from
freedomnewspaper,
> though with a slight change to its
heading!
>
> NADD Should Have Done Better
>
> By Sonny Daffeh, UK
> Mr Editor,
> Please
allow me space to respond to Jeggan Grey-Johnson’s article
of
> 9th
February 2010 which was published in your well established
medium
>
under the heading; ‘‘Agenda 2011; The Opposition Leaders Must Do
the
> Right Thing.’’
>
> While I agree that the
opposition should get it right this time
around,
> I do not however
agree that Agenda 2011 is the right basis for
this.
> This is an
ill-conceived theory that was propounded by a
disingenuous
>
political ideologue on the basis of two premises namely; that the
NADD
> alliance did not work because it was unable to gather
significant
> amount of votes in the 2006 presidential elections, and
also that
the
> UDP led alliance did not work because it had
registered a drop in
votes
> from their 2001 electoral standing.
While I agree with the former,
I
> beg to differ with the latter.
That premise is not only flawed, it
is
> also fraught with the
propounder's very own personal prejudice
against
> a possible UDP
led alliance in 2011.
>
> Although, it is true that the UDP
registered a drop in votes from
their
> 2001 standing, this however
cannot be attributed to the type of
> alliance [party led alliance] they
adopted in 2006. As was rightly
> indicated in the UDP- UK rejoinder of
1st February 2010, UDP’s
drop in
> votes resulted from two things;
their own lack of adequate
preparation
> thanks to their prior
membership of NADD, and the unprecedented
low
> voter turnout
[58.58%] that was witnessed in 2006 which when
compared
> to the
2001 voter turn-out [89.71%], indicates a drop of 31.13%
and
> this
is notwithstanding the fact that the national voter register
had
>
been updated with 219,630 new voters in 2006. Going by the results
of
> 2006 presidential election, it doesn’t appear that these voters
had
> voted for a different party rather than the UDP. They just
didn’t
vote.
> Otherwise, why is it that NADD barely crossed over
the 5%
threshold?
>
> Some might argue that the low
voter turn-out was a direct result
of
> opposition disunity.
While this may be true, it does not however
lend
> any credence to
Agenda 2011 as there is no evidence which suggests
that
> this was a
specifically directed protest against the UDP led
alliance.
> Even
if the connection between opposition disunity and the voter
> turn-out
is validly made and I am not saying it is not, it would
appear
>
that the situation would still have been the same irrespective of
>
whatever type of alliance any party might have chosen to adopt, be
it
> party led alliance, the so-called umbrella party or indeed a
grand
> coalition. Therefore, it is not the nature of party led alliance
that
> is the issue here but the factors that inhibited the
realisation
of its
> full potentials in 2006. That is what folks
with genuine interest
in
> opposition unity want to talk about, not
some kind of superficial
> political theories that are specifically
invented to circumvent
the
> rules of conventional politics in
furtherance of a particular
> individual’s selfish agenda. A grand
coalition as spelled-out in
Agenda
> 2011 is pretty much akin to the
NADD coalition - the only
difference
> being the name - and would be
vitiated with the same problems that
> eventually led to the breakdown
of NADD. Hence, it is not an
option. It
> is just a mere but crude
academic exercise. Therefore and instead
of
> asking the leaders to
commit the same mistake and somehow expect a
> different result or
levelling false accusations against the
leadership
> of the United
Democratic Party – accusing them of paying a lip
service
> to the
call for unity -, Jeggan should have been bold enough to
ask
>
Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS Party to put their personal pride,
egos
and
> idealism aside and immediately embrace a UDP led alliance without
any
> obnoxious precondition whatsoever. That is the only thing that
has
> never happened before and it is about time history is
made.
>
> The UDP has proven itself over and over of being
the dominant
force in
> Gambia’s opposition politics. Any future
alliance/coalition of all
> opposition parties must therefore be built
around them. This is a
> sacred principle of any democratic political
dispensation and no
amount
> of spinning and hypocrisy will be
allowed to circumvent it. The
earlier
> the fringe parties recognise
this, the better for our chances of
> forging a unified alliance of all
opposition parties against the
ruling
> APRC in 2011. This is not
about helping someone to become an elite
as
> Halifa would say. It
is about adhering to the rules of
conventional
> politics;
coalitions are usually led by the biggest party in the
group.
>
Jeggan’s suggestion of a primary election as a mechanism for
selecting
> a candidate for a possible coalition of all opposition
parties is
both
> misplaced and untenable. Primaries are normally an
internal party
> contest where individuals contest for the
leadership/candidature
of a
> given party in a forthcoming general
election. Coalitions of
> independent sovereign political parties don’t
contest primaries to
> determine who their leader should be. That is
normally determined
by
> the results of the preceding general
election. This is what we
have
> seen in Israel, Germany and Italy
just to name a few. There is no
> reason why this should not apply to
the opposition in the Gambia.
> In 2006, 127,473 electorates voted for
the opposition combined.
Out of
> this, 81% voted for the UDP
candidate and 19% for NADD – the
so-called
> PDOIS and PPP-OJ
coalition – This exhibits a clear expressed will
of
> the Gambian
people which is valid for five years – it expires only
> after the 2011
presidential election – and have therefore
effectively
> rendered
the whole idea of a primary utterly obsolete as a
legitimate
>
candidate can easily be determined from these statistics.
> Jeggan’s
claim that PPP-OJ and PDOIS coalition [NADD] registered
an
>
increase of 100% in their 2006 score is really laughable. I
couldn’t
> stop asking myself whether he is in his trees. This shows
that our
dear
> friend is detached from both the facts and the
political reality
on the
> ground. PPP and PDOIS never contested a
general election together
as an
> alliance prior to the 2006
presidential election. Hence, there is
no
> prior statistics that
could be used to determine whether they have
> registered an increase or
a decrease in 2006. What is however
crystal
> clear is that this
alliance or whatever they chose to call it, is
not
> fit for purpose
for it is an extremely weak one. Out of
forty-eight
>
constituencies, they had 1,000 or more votes in only five
>
constituencies. In thirty-three constituencies, they had less than
1000
> votes and in ten constituencies less than 100 votes. I see no
potential
> in such a diabolical electoral performance.
>
> As for who leads the UDP, that is a matter for the general
membership
> and if Jeggan doesn’t like the current leader, he
should join the
party
> before its upcoming congress and fight from
within. Otherwise, he
> should, frankly speaking, shut up.
>
> I hope he will do more research next time before going to
the
press.
> SS Daffeh
> Essex, UK
>
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:09:55 +0000
> From:
[log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>
To: [log in to unmask]
>
> "...The issue is in fact not
so much about the figures but the
> ludicrous claim that they somehow
indicates a manifestation of
> electoral shun on the nature of alliances
adopted by both NADD and
UDP
> led alliance prior to the 2006
presidential election i.e. party
led
> alliance and the so-called
umbrella party. That is absolute
nonsense.
> Although there may have
been a degree of voter discontent over
> opposition disunity or the
incumbent’s employed harassment and
> intimidation tactics,-depending on
which side of the story you
want to
> believe- there is absolutely
no evidence that the low
voter-turnout
> seen in 2006 was as a
result of the types of alliance adopted by
either
> NADD or the UDP.
This defeats the whole essence of Halifa’s agenda
2011
> and that is
exactly what UDP-UK rejoinder was all about..."
>
> Suntou,
with your above statement I am done with you and your
other two
>
guys. I will focus on Uncle Haruna. And when I return you and your
>
friends might have solved their invented puzzle of who is chatting
with
> them.
>
> Uncle Haruna, do not worry much
about Coach understanding your
posting.
> I am with you all the way.
Just bear with me a little I will be
back.
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Haruna Darbo
<[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: Haruna Darbo
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, February
13, 2010, 5:49 PM
>
> Suntou,
>
> I take your
counsel into advisement. Pa Samba is a dear friend. He
and
> I will
come to understandings. It takes a little nudging and
> explanation for
him but it shall come to pass. I am not a novice
at
> conflict
resolution.
>
> Here is what I advise of you
though.
>
> Today, today. If Halifa for some reason went
into a trans and
declared
> - Let us have a total opposition union
and let UDP/NRP lead it,
wIll
> you and UDP/NRP waste your times to
join
>
PDOIS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> This is the question I want you and UDP/NRP and even GMC to
ponder.
> After you do, you will throw away Agenda-2011 and focus on
building
> your parties and alliances. As I can see, both UDP/NRP
and GMC
have
> shortcomings in party administration that leave a lot
to be
desired.
> Simple tasks take days or months to complete if at
all. When your
> leader is busy defending Femi Peters, the party's
entire
activities
> stop. WHY???? If Ousainou is not free, the
party's executive
committee
> need to ensure the continued
functioning of the party. WHY is
that?
> Some due-diligence does not
require money. Organising and visiting
with
> your supporters
regularly as far away as Koina and Jimara and
> cultivating new
supporters should be done all the time, Ousainou
or no
> Ousainou.
NADD/PDOIS has the same problem or worse. But the time
you
>
partisans spend on chatter could be better used developing your
>
parties. The way I see it, none of the parties is capable of
governing
> Gambia in this state. And if you should dream about
forming a
singular
> union, you will have multiplied the
inefficiencies ten-fold.
>
> So focus your time and
energies on value - building and
strangthening
> your parties. We
are not interested in a United Opposition any
more. At
> least we
will not depend on that idea as the means to remove
Yahya. So
>
don't feel burdened to form a united opposition on account of the
>
people.
>
> Thank you and may DaarManso continue to bless
all of you in your
> self-interests.
>
>
Haruna.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: suntou touray
<[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:05 pm
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
>
> Haruna, your comments are simple, logical and
straight forward.
But the
> sad facts is that, some people cannot
even think for themselves
without
> Sallah telling them how.
Halifa's attempt to be Jack of all trade
meant
> that, he did
injustice to himself and UDP/NRP analysing absent
voters
> and the
synergy effect with him being a mortal man could'nt
quantify.
>
Halifa should display his formula of his cirtic of the UDP/NRP
not
> adding the absent voters to the pool. Absent voters affected all
the
> parties, including PDOIS and NDam.
> Haruna, your
efforts are honourable and honest. Where you
criticise me
> and my
attempts, i recognise the reasoning in them. When we send
our
>
rejoinder, Halifa's few fans in American made all sorts of noise,
some
> saying:
> Halifa is under attack, we should stop
all talks
> Now who did we responded to? The wind or Halifa? Did this
people
> actually read anything Halifa wrote?
> My hunch is they
don't. But when Mr Grey-Johnson again repeated
Halifa
> mistakes, i
didn't hear this people who nearly went into coma
when we
>
their patron, when Darboe was branded power hungry etc by a
misguided
> bigoted partisan.
> The two face mentality is the
real reason Halifa is continuing
what he
> doing. Behind his back
his own guys are dissolution with him,
among
> people, they defend
his ideas even after knowing they don't make
sense.
> And as for
Pasamba, true peace will come to pass when you are bold
> enough to
confront Halifa. But for now, it will be a dream.
> Haruna, keep
writing.
> Suntou
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:55
PM, Haruna Darbo
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Olfactor
you can't help but take a swipe at yours truly. What is
wrong
> with
you men? I'll have you know you can't have a better friend
than
>
Haruna. I just got off the phone with a friend. He tells me
president
> Clinton is doing marvelously and with our continued
prayers, he
should
> be back up, straight up, to continue to assist
in Haiti and
Northern
> Ireland. I told him I have a friend in
Dublin who could hold the
torch
> for Ireland as the president
recovers. So I messed up your
hibernation
> long before you
perceived it. SOmeone will be looking for you over
> there to lend all
Ireland a hand as she works through devolution.
Won't
> you do
Ireland a good turn? Migrant worker or not, you still live
in
>
Ireland. So why go into hibernation on account of your
friend Haruna
> when you could be working for Northern
Ireland???? Learn to not
take,
> take, take. Learn to give, give,
give. Besides I did not hear
where you
> tried to get our mutual
friend Demba out of box. I know your life
has
> some value. I just
gotta figure it out for you. I still love you.
>
> Now then
Dad, you did a marvelous job in amicus of Halifa's
electoral
>
arithemetic which you inform us was the basis for Agenda 2011. You
must
> be commended for this. It is what mortal man can expect of a
partisan.
> I totally admire your zeal and sport. I guess it is not
necessary
> therefore for me to read Agenda 2011 afterall. I will share
some
notes
> with you and they will be brief.
>
>
In my view, Halifa's un-intended dishonesty does not lie in
>
the arithemetic adduand. As a philosopher and sociologist par
>
excellence, Halifa must have been taught that linear arithemetic
is
not
> terribly valuable for philosophers and sociologists. That is why
linear
> algebra and additional math were introduced in those years
where
> sociologists and philosophers shared their agonies in explaining
human
> conditions and considerations. Throw in the philosopher and
sociologist
> who wishes to use politics to solve the landmark
equations of
social
> engineering. Why do people vote? Why do they
vote the way they do?
>
> Let me be the first to share
with you that the adduand exclusively
> should not be considered in
electoral arithemetic. You cannot
explain
> the distributive
and associative properties only by using addition
> alone, addition and
subtraction alone, Or addition, subtraction,
and
> multiplication
alone. Electoral arithemetic must include the use
of
> addition,
subtraction, multiplication, division, the operations of
> integral and
derivative science are a complex use of these four,
and
> they
cannot even begin to tackle electoral mathematics. Secondly,
you
>
must endeavour to include the time value of elections and votes
and
the
> time value of human considerations. That is where the accountant
comes
> to the aid of the philosopher/sociologist/politician. Even
further,
> electoral calculus contains some intractable variables
such as
personal
> considerations of the voter that are a function
of his/her state
of
> mind at the time of voting. What you must not
do under any
> circumstance, is to extrapolate or compare votes of
different
periods
> or periodic elections. Your quandry is not
complete even after you
> satisfy the foregoing. There comes the matter
of vote-buying,
> vote-selling which Halifa himself was at pains to
convince us
happens
> during the elections in Gambia. Well throw in
the mix of the
Gambian
> voter's problems of Yahya's intimidations,
electoral riggings, and
> ballot stuffings, why you have just thoroughly
discombabulated
yourself.
>
> In essence, the
dishonesty displayed by Halifa, though unintended,
is a
> result of
using a dishonest formula. Now when you skew that
formula to
>
portray another opposition party as incapable to win future
elections,
> you burden straightforward dishonest calculus with
odious bias. If
the
> premise therefore of AGENDA 2011 is the result
of such
arithemetic,
> well you know the rest of the story.
>
> Therefore, I urge Halifa to apologise to the readers of Agenda
2011 and
> all other opposition parties, and when we work on a
roadmap, to
cease
> redefining past elections in Gambia. Past
election results in
Gambia
> will not afford any valuable or
meaningful discernment for any
> opposition party. And Foroyaa, based on
such arithemetic wishes
> opposition parties to go back to the drawing
board. For
what?????????
> We are all unduly mesmerized by the
sanctity of a total opposition
> union. I advise sobriety and caution
against disingenuity and
pretense.
>
> I commend you
nonetheless for efforting amicus of Agenda 2011 and
> Halifa.
>
> Olfactor, any minute now you'll hear a knock on your door.
Nobody
> hibernates in Ireland anymore. She invests enormous amounts to
market
> herself as a lively tourist destination. You should help
her in
that
> regard. I love you all.
>
>
Haruna.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> To:
[log in to unmask]
>
>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010
4:54 am
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>
>
Nyang,
>
> Keep up the good work, however dealing
with grouchy
> characters is difficult, for
reason and reality is not their
forte. Let
> me go back to
my hibernation as our grouch par excellence here has
> snorted at people
who have decided to ignore his incessant and
> vapid rambling. I do
not want to be splattered by his grotty
stuff, so
> hibernation
here we come.
>
> Nyang once again keep the fire
burning and keep helping me out of
my
> hibernation with your
good work. Thanks for a very well written
> piece.
>
> Best,
>
> Mboge
>
>
> On
Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Modou Nyang
>
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Suntu,
>
>
> How Many times am I to prove that you do not do your
homework
well? I
> can see that you are trying to get allies from
all those People
with
> hate messages. This is weakening your
course. Such hate messages
cannot
> isolate any one.. We have seen
those types of people here in the
US
> during Obama’s campaign. They
cannot explain why they hate him.
>
> Consequently their
hate messages worked out very well for Obama.
Here
> too you are
giving Halifa more publicity than he has asked for.
The
> worse
thing that you did to your self is to raise issues which led
to
>
the challenge for Halifa to explain the role he played in NADD. I
am
> still waiting to read part 3 so that things will be clearer
since
your
> camp is still trying to distort the truth even though
no NADD
leader
> had come out in public to do so.
>
> Your last hope to discredit Halifa is your claim that he
distorted
the
> result of the 2001 Presidential elections just to
prove that the
UDP
> lost more votes than it really did, when
compared to 2006 so that
its
> leadership would be discredited. In
my reaction to your rejoinder
I
> decided to skip the issue of the
exact number of votes your party
the
> UDP had in the 2001 election
in order to do a proper research on
it. I
> have now scanned the
results of the 2001 Presidential elections
with
> the signature of
the then Chairman of the Independent Electoral
> Commission Gabriel
Roberts.
>
> However, before going into your distortion of
the results I would
want
> to help one of your friends to understand
what I meant when I said
> Darboe was not brave enough to tell his
colleagues what he wanted
and
> stuck by it before they ventured to
form NADD. He misunderstood me
> completely and strayed into accusing
Halifa of promoting that a
brave
> person should be selected to lead
an opposition alliance. My
position
> is that if Darboe is strongly
convinced that he should lead and
others
> should follow. He should
simply declare that for all to understand
and
> then proceed to sell
his agenda to the people. Whoever wants to
join
> him would do so
and those who would not want to join him would go
on
> with their
own programmes. Since UDP is not ready to compromise on
> leadership it
should make that clear and stand by that decision
and
> should not
join any arrangement where leadership would have to be
> negotiated with
other stakeholders.
>
> let me now deal with the results of
the 2001 Presidential
elections.
> Halifa made it clear in his
Agenda 2011 that UDP had 149448 votes
in
> 2001 while NRP had 35,671
votes. Please read the Agenda again. You
will
> get the real figures
rather than approximations. If you want a
copy of
> the Agenda i
will mail it to you electronically.
>
> Halifa indicated
that the two parties formed an alliance in 2006
along
> with GPDP
and had votes numbering 104,808 votes..Halifa concluded
that
>
compared to the 2001 figures the two parties lost 80,301 votes.
Where
> then has Halifa gone wrong?
>
> Could you
not do simple addition and subtraction? Add 149,448
votes to
>
35,67. You should get 185,119 votes. Subtract 104,808 from
185,119.
> What is your answer? Is it not 80,301 votes. Halifa is
dead
correct and
> you the members of the UDP camp in the UK are
dead wrong.
>
> I have investigated and got the results a
long time ago. I wanted
to
> check whether you have leaders who
would guide you to know the
truth.
> The fact that you are still
persisting in claiming that Halifa’s
> figures are wrong has forced me
to request for a scanned
declaration of
> results signed by The
Chairman of the IEC and I hope you will now
> apologise to Halifa for
your misleading statements. I am surprised
by
> the fact that you
are still clinging to the view that Halifa
quoted
> wrong figures
even though your leaders in Banjul should be able to
tell
> you the
truth instead of leaving you to humiliate yourselves
before
> world
public opinion. I have decided to share the copy of the
> declarations
of the 2001 election results with the online media
for all
> to see
for them selves since I cannot directly place it here
unless as
> an
attachment.
>
> Furthermore Suntou, you claim that it is
the UDP who enabled
Halifa to
> win his Serrekunda Central Seat. Let
us look at the results of the
> elections in Serrekunda since the UDP
was put up by the three
major
> parties of the first Republic, that
is, the PPP, the NCP and the
GPP.
>
> In 1997, the UDP
campaigned against Halifa Sallah in Serrekunda
East
> and put up a
major PPP supporter, Bakary Manneh, as their
candidate in
> order to
exploit OJ’s popularity as the MP at the time of the
coup. The
>
results were as follows Halifa had 8, 529 votes, The UDP had 8,
>
067votes and the APRC had 9, 575votes. Contrary to your position
that
> the UDP put up a candidate against Halifa in the 2007
National
Assembly
> elections to humble him while it left Sidia
Jatta’s seat
uncontested
> since he was a humble PDOIS leader,
Halifa did not stand as a
> Presidential Candidate in 1996. It is Sidia
Jatta who stood as a
> candidate against the UDP. And in the 1997
National Assembly
elections,
> the UDP also put up a prominent NCP
supporter in Wuli against
Sidia
> Jatta. Alhamdu Conteh who stood as
The UDP candidate had 1,098,
Mamadi
> Karlo Jabai of the APRC had 4,
641 and Sidia Jatta of PDOIS had 5,
499.
> Sidia won despite UDP"s
attempt to contest the seat.
>
> In the 2002 National
Assembly elections, the UDP boycotted the
> elections and called on all
its members to stay away from the
polls. In
> Serre Kunda Central,
Halifa had 5, 563 votes as a PDOIS Candidate
while
> the APRC
candidate had 5, 143 votes. Halifa won.
>
> In the 2005 by
election in Serre Kunda Central, Halifa had 5, 911
votes
> as a
candidate of the alliance while the APRC had 3, 984 votes.
Ther
>
alliance added only 348 votes to the 2002 votes Halifa had as a
PDOIS
> candidate. As a NADD candidate Halifa had 4, 302 in the 2007
National
> Assembly elections, UDP had 1, 548. and the APRC had 6,
386.
>
> It should be clear that Sidia and Halifa both won
their seats as
PDOIS
> candidates irrespective of the UDP. UDP made
a big mistake in
> contesting the Serrekunda central seat. It did not
spoil anything
for
> Halifa. It spoilt its own name. Many young
people started to
describe
> it as a party that pours the sand in
the porridge if it is not
invited
> to share in the eating. UDP UK
is also doing more harm to the UDP.
I
> will take up this issue
later.
>
> Suntu you concluded that: "The UDP U.K knows
very well, Halifa's
> students will come trying to defend the
indefensible. They will
again
> continue to twist the facts and try
to blame others for Halifa's
> inability to convince Gambian voters.
What the UDP propose which
is
> respectfully talked by sincere
Gambians, Halifa don't want to pay
> attention to that. What he want is
to talk directly to Gambians,
the
> civil society, the NGO's etc and
then create a cadre of people who
will
> later chose him as their
saviour."
>
> This is your allegation. This is your fear.
You do fear that
Halifa
> could convince the Gambian voters. Your
objective therefore is to
> prevent this through premeditated character
assassination. You
claim
> that I am trying to distort facts. What
facts are we trying to
distort?
> If Halifa cannot convince the
Gambian people then why is he your
> headache. Halifa is not Darboes
problem and Darboe is not Halifa’s
> problem. The problem of the Gambian
people should be our problem
.Allow
> me to quote what Halifa said
recently.
>
> "Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC
candidate had 242, 302
votes
> when it forged no alliance with the
NCP. At that time there were
501,
> 304 registered voters. Suffice
it to say, even though the number
of
> voters increased by 169, 032,
by 2006 the votes of the APRC could
only
> increase by 22,102 votes.
The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes in
2001.
> Even though it
developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671 votes
in
> 2001, its
votes went down 104,808 votes in the 2006 elections,
despite
> the
increase in the number of registered voters by 169, 032
voters."
>
> "Foroyaa: What is your advise?"
>
> "It is
therefore necessary for political leaders to go back to the
> drawing
board and map out a new way forward. How is the opposition
to
>
attract the 542,055 voters who did not vote for them is the
subject
at
> hand. This is what Agenda 2011 is all about. Even though I am
not
> excluding acceptance of candidature, I have already declared that
the
> best option is to select a neutral candidate who will be able
to
run a
> non partisan transitional cabinet for a period of 2 to 5
years and
then
> step aside after a genuine multi party contest. It
is left to
Gambians
> to decide whether they have a better way
forward."
>
> Please ask Darboe to state his proposal for a
way forward so that
we
> know what the UDP want for the Nation. That
is better than endless
> bickering by the spokesperson of the party
in the UK .
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed,
2/10/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
>
> From: suntou touray
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Date: Wednesday,
February 10, 2010, 4:12 PM
>
>
> Bailo, good to
know your ears are wide open. I thought you
understood
> the
famous English saying "one man's meat is another man's
poison".
>
What you believe to be crap from Suntou is a gem to some and vice
verse.
> I have always been a fan of politics
Bailo, however it
doesn't dominate
> my life. I reveal
here last year that, i was reading and
consulting
> with some
Gambian opposition parties. trying to know certain
aspects of
>
their politics and also to maintain how i can relate to them.
> It was
after this period, i decided the best option out there is
the
>
United Democratic Party. Hence my joining their ranks.
> I appreciate
your boldness in stating on several occasion that a
party
> led
coalition is the solution. Not every PDOIS member wish to
accept
>
this fact, but in life we have to accept and politely disagree.
> The
situation for us all are very similar. Our central concern
is to
> see that a government comes to power that will respect
the rule of
law
> and adheres to good governance. And also a
government that will
abide
> by term limits and allow for diaspora
Gambians to come home
anytime and
> stand for election without any
restriction like it it is now.
> UDP/NRP all agrees with this principles
and also PDOIS. Therefore
the
> deliberate error some people are
throwing about saying that,
Ousainou
> will not abide by term limits
is the biggest nonsense.
> Ousainou is selected by the UDP at there
annual party congress to
lead
> the party, yet Jeggan is complaining
that Ousainou didn't hand
over to
> someone. Who is the new expert
to lecture the UDP on how to select
a
> party leader?
> Let
Halifa hand over the leadership of PDOIS to Sam Sarr before he
too
>
passes the required age. After all, the American system seems to
be
if
> you cannot get the presidency, you pass it on. Let Sam step up.
Jeggan
> can lecture his PDOIS members but not us.
> The
annoying thing in all this exchanges is that, those who cry
baby
> when we reacted are all in hibernation, this world.
>
No wonder truth is relative. Bee kaa foo ila bori leya, tiw tiw (
each
> person shout for your runner). Things are moving, albeit
slowly.
But
> progress is been made. Ajarama, and Ibalen jam. Ya
Allah dandu
meen
> foof kata e katato. Ameen.
>
Suntou
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, bailo
jallow
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
Suntou,
>
> I heard you loud and clear. But we gotta move on and
not get stuck
to
> the past.
>
> As for the NIA, they
are everywhere in the Gambia. Recently a
young man
> was pulled out
of a public bus at Denton bridge and merciless
beaten to
> a
vegetative state by our so-called security forces. His crime?
The
bus
> in which he was travelling was like all vehicles on the road at
the
> time ordered off the road because the Presidential motorcade
was
> expected along it. The wait was apparently long and this young man
made
> the mistake of telling someone he was was speaking with on
his
mobile
> that they were waiting for the for the convoy of our
stupid
president
> to pass. An NIA informant overheard his
indiscretion and decided
to
> teach him a lesson. When the bus
reached Denton Bridge; the
informant
> ordered the driver of the bus
to halt the bus, the young chap was
> pulled out and his alleged crime
reported to the security forces.
Their
> immediate reaction was to
beat him to a vegetative state for his
> indiscretionary words against
the President.
>
> It is therefore ordinary private citizens who
are paying a higher
price
> under the status quo than public
personalities like Ousainou,
Halifa,
> OJ, Seedia and the rest, the
immense sacrifice of the latter
category
>
nothwithstanding.
>
> Honestly, I am not a strong moslem as you.
Evidence suggests that
are
> not a taleban otherwise the only
technology you would approved of
is
> the killing machines. I guess
you own a tv and even a computer. As
such
> If you were a taleban,
your fellow talebans would have been
seeking to
> publicly flog for
your deviation. So you cannot be a taleban!
Though I
> must confess
that sometimes I tend to mis-consider you as one very
> angry ayatollah
who considers so-called PDOIS fanatics like myself
as
> supporters
of the great Satan. I sincerely hope that is not so.
> Remember, you
cautioned us sometimes ago that politicians are not
to be
> trusted.
Your transformation into one within this short space of
time
> is
amazing. Who and what is primary motivation? I suppose Halifa
is
not
> the one.
>
> Anyway, keep up the good work for your
party and the Gambia in
general
> and please leave the crap out. I
concur that you reserve the right
>
to.........................
>
>
> Best
wishes
>
> Bailo
>
>
>
> --- On Sun,
7/2/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: suntou touray
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
page
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Date: Sunday, 7
February, 2010, 12:10
>
>
> Bailo, your spin was well
intention albeit your inability to
accept the
> facts of your
Messiah's calamity. He cannot hide neither run away
from
> his
mistakes. We are all willing to move on and try to talk as
> brothers.
But what we cannot leave alone the continuous blame game
> Halifa
attributed to others leaving his own saintly person out.
> Politics is
not a career for saints Bailo, the sooner Halifa
recognises
>
that the better. And the gang mentality his supporters manifest is
a
> turn of for even his supporters, ganging up against those who
speak
> about his politics will only cause Halifa less
cloud.
> I also notice that, some of his guys start calling me
Taliban,
> extremist and what have you. If they are willing to
stoop so low
in
> their misunderstanding of politics, my body
feel for them.
> Bailo, you are strong a muslims brother who
actively partake in
islamic
> actvist, those that make you a
Taliban? I know some of your
Islamic
> commitments, but I also
accept that, as Muslims, we should be
> interested in politics, science,
literature, acceptable art,
> philosophy, just anything we can enhance
our minds with.
> But alas, the gossip that Suntou is intolerant pumped
up by the
PDOIS
> boys has reached me a long time. Some of this
liers are even in
cahoot
> with the Foroyaa establishment providing
them with equipment and
the
> like.
> My Islam allows me the
privilege to be an enterprising citizen
wherever
> I live. I am a
Muslim by choice and will practise Islam to the
best of
> my ability
and will put across the little I know God-Willing. I
respect
>
the laws of the land i reside in. But If my comments on Halifa
incense
> some to the extent that, they are willing to vilify and
attribute
> nonsensical tags to me, then I am vindicated.
>
> Let us see how things pan out, we standby our findings and
whenever it
> becomes necessary, we shall respond to all false
analogies on UDP.
For
> those who wish to be taken seriously
including you Bailo, distant
> yourself from errors, no matter who
commits them, only then people
will
> accept your subsequent
cries.
> Modou's abysmal response require no countering from us.
he place
> Halifa in even more serious doubts hence putting across
Halifa's
line.
> He is the brave soldier and others not. The facts
speaks
different.
> Ousainou's office is man regularly by NIA
agents, doing all they
can to
> deter him from actively politics.
His clients harassed, his
associated
> harassed, yet the foroyaa
guys go about their business selling
papers
> and earning yet
claiming to be sacrificing more than others. It
make me
> laugh
mate.
> Suntou
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM,
bailo jallow
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Comrade
Modou,
>
> Your clarification efforts are highly appreciated. Let
us now move
on
> and chart a new course towards helping bring about
unity within
the
> opposition movement. In our unity is our
strength. However, I
strongly
> believe that the general opposition
movement would again fail to
> realise our common goal of achieving a
new Gambia for all if we
> continue to rely on already tried and tested
counterproductive
> strategies of destructive criticism aimed at
promoting one's
candidate
> while vigorously attempting to tarnish
that of another's. Some may
> argue that come on, this is merely
politics at play. I personally
> consider such tactics as a smear
campaign. Anyone on the frontline
of
> our national politics
conscientiously opposing the retrogessive
> policies and actions of the
unjust APRC regime deserve nothing but
> support and encouragement from
everyone craving and campaigning
for
> positive changes in the
Gambia. Ousainou Darboe, Halifa Sallah,
Femi
> Peters, Seedia Jatta,
Mai Fatty and many others like them
therefore
> only deserve our
genuine respect and good advice. I had concluded
long
> time ago
that under the current poliitcal dispensation in in our
> beloved
country the easiest and most convenient resort for any
person
>
seeking only their own personal interest would be to join the APRC
>
Party.
>
> Our primary objective should be towards ensuring that
the
leaderships
> of the UDP-led Alliance and the remnants of NADD
coalition would
both
> sooner rather later pursue a strategy of
meaningful co-operation
with
> one another towards achieving an
over-due united front against the
> incompetent and callous APRC regime.
That way, the doubters would
have
> been confounded and hope lost by
the silent majority of Gambians
would
> be restored.
>
>
Let confidence building measures between all sides of the
opposition
be
> pursued in earnest from now on as time is precious sliding
away.
>
> Please try to help get your dear uncle bailed out after
being
found
> guilty and sentenced yesterday for making a wrongful
attribution
to our
> dear colleague, Halifa. Coincidentally, the
amount payable which
is
> any, should be envoyed to him in jail for
the benefit of good
Gambian
> causes he has been diligently
campaigning for.
>
> Finally I wish to commend organisations such
as the STGDP and GDP
who
> have been focussing on just that. Let us
not be daunted nor
depair;
> ultimate victory is assured for the
cause of any struggle for
justice,
> freedom and respect for human
dignity.
>
> Let us turn a new constructive page. Let all good
works go on.
Amen!
>
> Bailo
>
>
>
>
--- On Sat, 6/2/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: Modou Nyang
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA
SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC
TOUR
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, 6 February, 2010,
3:50
>
> Bailo,
>
> Uncle Haruna understands
Halifa very well. This is why he prefers
to
> rely on the issue of
credibility and not the election statistics
which
> Halifa relied on
to draw his conclusion. My uncle is among those
who
> say that
politics is about numbers. In fact the other camp rely on
this
> so
much that they refer to some parties as fringe parties. They
know
>
what Halifa is talking about but like the proverbial ostrich they
>
prefer to bury their head in the sand.
>
> You see, some of
these people do not care whether there is change
or
> not. What they
are interested in is the change they want. If they
> cannot get it they
prefer to join Jammeh. They should not fool the
rest
> of us. Where
is Waa who used to criticize Halifa. He accepted the
post
> of a
governor while Halifa rejected the post of a Minister. This
is the
>
difference between him and his critics. He wants genuine change
for
the
> long suffering Gambian people.
>
> Halifa has
made it quite clear that the lowest common multiple in
> politics is
numbers and concluded that the numbers which rejected
both
>
opposition and ruling party are so overwhelming that none could be
>
considered credible if that is the yardstick of measuring
credibility.
> He therefore concluded that those who want change
should go back
to the
> drawing board. He offered a proposal and
called on others with
better
> proposals to offer their own. Where
is the bickering? All honest
> Gambians have seen the light and cannot
be deceived any more. They
know
> who is power hungry and those who
want to empower the people.
>
> Nyang
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, bailo jallow
<[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: bailo jallow
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA
SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC
TOUR
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:41
AM
>
> Please note that perspective does not always represent
reality is
what
> I intended to express in my previous
contribution.
>
> Bailo
>
>
> --- On Fri,
5/2/10, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: bailo jallow
<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA
SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC
TOUR
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010,
11:22
>
> Please note that perspective does not always represent
reality is
I
> intended to express in my previous
contribution.
>
> Bailo
>
> --- On Fri, 5/2/10, bailo
jallow <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: bailo
jallow <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News :
HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC
TOUR
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010,
11:12
>
> Haruna tendered "So here Evian you will notice that my
notes were
in
> response to your notes and I encourage you to read
your notes
where you
> re-presented what Halifa
said."
>
> This is how I represented Halifa's statement: "You seem
to be in
denial
> but that is sadly the truth. The APRC is far from
credible and
from the
> perspective of the potential electorate,
neither exists a more
credible
> alternative. Otherwise, the
opposition would have won last time."
>
> Please note that
perspective does always represent reality.
>
> The truth isI did
not misrepresent Halifa; you did. Instead of
> acknowledging your
error, you are trying to shift it elsewhere.
That's
> absolute
dishonesty!
>
> Bailo
>
> --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Haruna
Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> From: Haruna
Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA
SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC
TOUR
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010,
0:55
>
> What i will do Evian is to leave my comments close to
yours and
> Halifa's in order that the proximity may yield further
comprehension
> where cacophany meddles.
>
>
>
[-----Original Message----- From: bailo jallow
>
[log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent:
Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA
> SALLAH
COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
> Sheikh Haruna, The following is exactly
what Comrade Halifa was
> reported to have stated (emphasis
mine):
>
> “Some supporters of the APRC said that the opposition
parties in
the
> Gambia are not credible. They should also add that
the ruling
party is
> not credible. Their assessment of Gambian
politics as it stands
would
> then be correct and balanced."
>
> And this is how you interpreted it:
>
> "As to
which party official speaks for the other parties, Halifa
shared
>
with us that there is no credible opposition or ruling party. What
he
> should have said was that his party PDOIS was not credible.
Then
he
> would have been speaking for himself because he is more
intimately
> aware of PDOIS' credibility. i think he was echoing
Waa's assertions
> that there is no credible opposition. The
problem is instead of
> focusing on his party's credibility, he
attempted to match Waa's
> cluelessness. In so doing he admitted Waa may
be right."
>
>
>
> So here Evian you will notice that
my notes were in response to
your
> notes and I encourage you to
read your notes where you
re-presented
> what Halifa said. Then come
back here and read the entire quote as
it
> appeared in the Foroyaa
note, undoctored by you. What you will
conclude
> is that even given
your sophomoric representation, my comment (Not
> interpretation) here
does capture the cluelessness of PDOISards
> fantastically. You see the
APRC supporters are smart people
compared to
> Halifa. They are not
interested in selling the demerits of the
ruling
> party because
that is who they support. Now Halifa advising them
to
> ALSO say
that there is no CREDIBLE RULING PARTY, in addition to
There
> is no
CREDIBLE OPPOSITION PARTY, and that they will have been both
> CORRECT
and BALANCED is where he put his foot in his mouth.
Implicitly,
>
Halifa agrees with their supposition that there is no CREDIBLE
>
opposition party as CORRECT. Because there is more than PDOIS in
the
> opposition parties, Halifa is thereby speaking for other
parties.
That
> is the reason I shared the advice about when in
court and accused
of
> theft, your defense ought not be that not
only are you a thief in
> agreement with your accuser, your accuser is
also a thief. The
grander
> picture Bailo is when you consider you
are an independent voter.
And
> you hear Halifa utter such. How does
it make you feel about him
and his
> incredulous party PDOIS. Forget
NADD at this time for there is
really
> nothing in NADD besides
PDOIS. Please let me know if this is still
not
> clear to
you.
>
> [So now let us focus on separating the chaff from
the grain:
Halifa
> reported that "some supporters of the APRC said
that the
opposition
> parties in the Gambia are not credible." This
is factual. It is
APRC
> supporters like Waa Juwara as you conceded
who are claiming the
above;
> it is not Halifa as you wrongly
asserted. Halifa is merely a
messenger
> who conveyed the message.
What Halifa opined in response is "They
> should also add that the
ruling party is not credible. Their
assessment
> of Gambian politics
as it stands would then be correct and
balanced."]
>
Evian.
>
>
> Inutile.
>
> [I hope you would
therefore accordingly revise your interpretation
of
> Halifa's
statement to reflect the reality of what he expressed.]
Evian.
>
> I was not interpreting anything. I was translating. And there
is
no
> further revision necessary.
>
> [You aso
wrote:
> "I would encourage you to read Halifa's quotation again because
I
think
> you misunderstood it. Not that it makes any significant
difference
> whether you understood it or not. It just throws your
analysis of
that
> part off quilter a bit. That is the bit about
"Not excluding
acceptance
> of candidature". There Halifa is
speaking of himself and not the
> candidature of other. Share with us
your renewed understanding."]
Evian
> regurgitating what Haruna
shared.
>
> [As you encouraged, I referred again to the relevant
statement of
> Halifa as follows (emphasis mine):
> "Even though I
am not excluding acceptance of candidature, I have
> already declared
that the best option is to select a neutral
candidate
> who will be
able to run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a
> period of 2 to 5
years and then step aside after a genuine
multiparty
> contest. It
is left to Gambians to decide whether they have a
better
> way
forward."] Evian repeating.
>
> [My understanding of the
statement remains the same even though I
admit
> that Halifa did not
qualify whose candidature he meant.] Evian.
>
> Halifa did
not need to qualify whose candidature he spoke of. The
> English is
sound and very good. If it were you or Mams I would
have
> asked for
further clarification.
>
> [He did not indicated either
"my" or "any" to give us precision of
> reference to candidature.]
Evian.
>
> Bailo, the MY is implicit. That happens all the
time in
conversations
> in English. Just for fun, let
us replace MY with ANY just before
> candidature. That would
not have been the best sentence structure
but
> it still tells you
Halifa is speaking of himself. This is
because MY is
> the
ownership litmus but ANY goes to the quality of the
candidature
and
> not domain. Hey Allah, I hope you understand me. So let's extend
the
> semantic game further; Let us say Halifa meant Ousainou, OJ,
Hamat, or
> Waa's candidature, and insert any of these names just
before
> candidature. Now you will agree with me that Halifa does not
have
the
> purview of accepting other's candidature. Do you agree?
If you
don't
> just ask yourself where is the authority for Halifa
to ACCEPT a
> dog-catcher's candidature????? He can ascend to their
candidatures
when
> they accept accept it themselves and the way he
does that is by
voting
> his desire or ascension. These are some of
the games Shaky Shaky
plays
> with English in order to improve
himself. Please let me know if
you
> need further ideas on these and
others.
>
> [In essence, he might have been referring to
his own candidature
or
> someone else's.] Evian.
>
> Unless he is retarded, he could not have been referring to any
other's
> candidature.
>
> [It is for him to help
clarify.] Evian.
>
> I don't need Halifa to clarify and I
am certain most of our
coleagues
> don't need any further
clarification of the statement. Let us save
> Halifa the mental
gymnastics where he could try to manufacture
> extraneous meaning. That
will be a bigger problem for the man.
>
> [Whatever he
meant, I know that either interpretations are
possible.]
>
Evian.
>
> You do the tests and convince yourself either
way. It is easy. You
can
> do it Bailo.
>
> [In
conclusion, I think you have mistakenly fallen for that
proverbial
>
saying of comparing apples and oranges in the following statement
of
> yours: "Halifa endorsing Ousainou's candidature will be equal
to
you or
> me endorsing Ousainou's candidature or Halifa's
candidature at
this
> point in time. There is not much basis for
that."] Evian repeating
what
> Haruna shared.
>
> [In
order words, you have over-rated yourself and me at to be at
par
>
with Halifa;] Evian.
>
> No. I am not at par with Halifa.
Just ask him. We are of different
> mettle and polarly opposite
ambition.
>
> [the latter is a political known and both you
and me are virtual
> political unknowns.] Evian.
>
>
Well. Do you want to be a political known Bailo????? I can make
your
> arse famous in a jiffy. You might not like what you become
famous
for
> though. Political known. I have not heard such
cacamayme since
Moussa
> Camara shared Mbaranbirinbiring with me in
1982 in Kuntaur.
>
> [Therein lies the difference between
us Halifa's endorsement of
any
> candidature.] Evian.
>
> I see.
>
> [Cheers] Evian.
>
> Cheers to you too. And don't try to be cute with your Grand Pa
again.
> If you know what is good for you, you'll turn in your PDOIS
armband.
>
> I still love you though.
>
Haruna.
>
> --- On Thu, 4/2/10, Modou Nyang
<[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
>
> From: Modou
Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Foroyaa News : HALIFA
SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
> To:
[log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010,
0:41
>
> Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC
TOUR, NO
CREDIBLE
> RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY
FORWARD NEEDED
>
> After the completion of the APRC tour, Foroyaa
approached Halifa
Sallah
> for comments.This is what he
said:
>
> “Political leaders should tell their supporters the
truth. A
political
> vacuum exists in the Gambia. Some supporters of
the APRC said that
the
> opposition parties in the Gambia are not
credible. They should
also add
> that the ruling party is not
credible. Their assessment of Gambian
> politics as it stands would then
be correct and balanced. Some
leaders
> who do not want to be honest
to their supporters are trying to
give the
> impression that the
statistics I have been putting out are over
> statements. They are not
telling their supporters the truth.
Political
> leaders should tell
the truth. For only the truth shall set us
free. I
> have relied on
empirical evidence to conclude that at this very
moment
> we do not
have a credible ruling party or opposition party. We
have a
> duty
to create both. Those who are offended by this statement are
not
>
prepared to do what is necessary to save Gambian politics from
being
an
> exercise in mediocrity.
>
> After the presidential
elections in 2006, I wrote a pamphlet in
which I
> quoted the
statistics to confirm my assertion. Gambians have to be
> reminded these
statistics to awaken each from our political apathy.
>
> According
to the IEC, 670, 336 voters were registered prior to the
2006
>
presidential elections. When the results were delivered the IEC
>
indicated that the APRC candidate who was also supported by the
NCP
had
> 264,404 votes. If this is subtracted from the total number
of
> registered voters it would mean that 405,932 voters did not vote
for
> the APRC candidate. The UDP candidate who was also supported
by
NRP and
> GPDP had 104,808 votes, while the NADD candidate had
23,473 votes.
The
> total votes of the opposition amounted to
128,281 votes. If this
is
> subtracted from the total number of
registered voters it would be
> apparent that 542,055 voters did not
vote for the opposition.
Wherein
> lies the credibility of the
ruling party and the opposition party
if
> politics is reduced to
its lowest common denominator as contest
based
> on the number of
votes.
>
> Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had
242,302 votes
when
> it forged no alliance with the NCP. At that
time there were
501,304
> registered voters. Suffice it to say, even
though the number of
voters
> increased by 169032, by 2006 the votes
of the APRC could only
increase
> by 22,102 votes. The UDP candidate
had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even
> though it developed alliance with NRP,
which had 35,671 votes in
2001,
> its votes went down 104,808 votes
in the 2006 elections, despite
the
> increase in the number of
registered voters by 169032 voters.
>
> Foroyaa: What is your
advise?
>
> It is therefore necessary for political leaders to go
back to the
> drawing board and map out a new way forward. How is the
opposition
to
> attract the 542,055 voters who did not vote for them
is the
subject at
> hand. This is what Agenda 2011 is all about.
Even though I am not
> excluding acceptance of candidature, I have
already declared that
the
> best option is to select a neutral
candidate who will be able to
run a
> non partisan transitional
cabinet for a period of 2 to 5 years and
then
> step aside after a
genuine multiparty contest. It is left to
Gambians
> to decide
whether they have a better way forward.
>
>
>
>
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