Simply brillaint Haruna. Green snakes on green grass. They are looking for
every unknown mechanisms to sell Sallah. It is up to halifa to stop 'waah
usew', his continous 'karawale' is unacceptable, afterall a man who spend
his entire adult life in politics is alo lecturing people on not making
politics a career. Talk about self-serving!! I wonder who he has in mind,
since Hamat is a hotelier, Darboe a Barister, well him, A what?
Suntou

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  Evian, I couldn't resist. A leopard cannot change her colours.
>
>  [In a message dated 2/17/2010 11:22:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>    Gentlemen, I don't know whether you realised that you are still going
> round in circles.
> If a united opposition stance against the dictatorship depended on you,
> then the dictator is
> at greatly at ease. Please tell me you have near zero influence in this
> regard.] Evian.
>
> I agree with you here and I second the sentiment regarding the centrifuge
> of the vortex.
>
> [While you are still going round and round, the incumbent is busy misusing
> our public funds
> buying the loyalty of unsuspecting Gambian voters.] Evian.
>
> You must have been asleep Bailo. The incumbent Yahya has been doing that
> since 1994. He
> likely will not stop as long as there are "unsuspecting Gambians" who will
> sell loyalty.
>
> [Please let us instead give emphasis to alerting our friends and relatives
> that all these
> donations by the dictator is merely to buy to entrench his tyranny over
> Gambians.] Evian.
>
> We begin with our own family and friends.
>
> [Abdoukarim, you and Banka need to work on Brufut.] Evian.
>
> Karim and Banka have been working on Brufut since Taf-Taf bereft of gardens
> theft of Brufut land. And they will
> continue to work on better-brufut. Bari haning yaay sonsong dolokabolekono,
> ite haanyila mol doyaala.
>
> [I could already hear some political pundit telling us that since any
> future Government in the
> Gambia is likely to resort to such tactics albeit on a lower scale,] Evian.
>
> This is what scares me when I write. We do have impressionable kids here.
> Bailo, you
> grossly misunderstood what I said. Even if you bring it here varbatim and
> read it one more time,
> you will surprise yourself to understand it. It did not address scale. It
> addressed quality. Here's
> my explanation for nought.
>
> [then it is no big deal. It is indeed a big deal.] Evian.
>
> And he trundles on in oblivious gaucherie.
>
> [All said and done, it remains the right of every qualified Gambian who
> wishes to contest for
> political office to do so.] Evian.
>
> I agree with you here Bailo. This is the most sense you made so far.
>
> [Therefore no person should be maligned into supporting another's
> candidate.
> That's coercion!] Bailo.
>
> Maligning someone or brow-beating them into supporting you or other IS NOT
> COERCION. That is called cowering. COERCION presumes positive
> consideration.
> And it has a criminal connotation to it. In other words if I promise my
> child that he/she
> will receive 20 pesos if they clean their room, even though there is
> positive consideration
> it is not coercion because giving incentives for value (quid-pro-quo) is
> not criminal if the
> value is positive as to society and the individual. Coercion addresses the
> character of
> the value received more than it does the quid. COWERING.
>
> [It is both uncivilised and unacceptable.] Evian.
>
> Even though it is not coercion, I agree with you that it is not civilised
> in the qualitative sense
> of CIVILISED. Whether it is acceptable or not is the purview of the
> one cowered.
>
> [I expect the leadership of the UDP or NADD alliances not to resort to or
> fall for this.] Evian.
>
> Fall for what??? I don't see anyone here desiring support for their
> candidate. Maybe they ought to start
> asking each other to support their candidates. That'll be a healthy change
> for a while. It might turn the
> chatter on its head. For better or for worse. I'm kinda bored with what
> obtains. Its time to pivot. And spin
> on their heads. Maybe I'll get excited once again.
>
> [Halifa is not the barrier to the realisation of Ousainou's presidential
> ambitions, nor is
> Ousainou the obstacle to the fulfilment of Halifa's Agenda 2011.] Evian.
>
> I think you mean "Ousainou is not the barrier to Halifa's presidential
> ambitions and neither is
> Halifa the impediment to Ousainou's presidential ambitions". I think some
> of you people
> need to start communicating in your native tongues. You are maligning
> yourselves. And that
> is not coercion.
>
> [Let us therefore stop feigning that such is the case.] Evian.
>
> That what is the case Evian??? I think by now you know agenda whatever is
> only significant
> to Halifa and you. Maybe Dad too. And a smattering of
> PDOISards. E(plural)-Niyo lebe laaring nying
> kang.
>
> Haruna.
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 17/2/10, yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> To: [log in to unmask]
>  Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 13:25
>
>
> Suntu
>
> Who does this Modou Nyang thinks he is; asking you to call "*Darboe and
> ask him *
> *whether they have reached the decision that the only alliance he Darboe
> and the *
> *UDP would be a part of is one which endorses his candidature for the 2011
> *
> *Presidential elections". *
>
> Maaaaaaaaaan!!! Tell this Ndokey Nyang not to play with us! Who does he
> thinks
> we are; his errand boys!!
>
> As for his claim that he wants "*to be fair to the UDP leadership. I know
> they are *
> *matured people and know what is at stake. We are dealing with the future
> of the *
> *Gambia and I do not want to judge the UDP by the words of its sycophants*".
>
>
> He seems too late for to reckon that fact, as he had already been unfair to
> the UDP
> leadership and judged the UDP leadership in his reaction to the UDP UK's
> rejoinder.
> Less that reaction had not been written by Nyang but by his Halifa Sallah;
> to make
> him not to realise his errors.
>
> One other point for Mr Nyang, is that we wait for his article about why
> UDP's strategy
> will fail, which he promised to publish on Freedomnewspaper. I'm sure his
> knows it will
> no go unchallenged.
>
>
> Yanks
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:07:24 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>    Suntou, one more thing before I come Daffeh’s way. This just came to me
> while scribbling in response to Sonny. Because you are the coordinator, I
> saw your photo with Darboe during his visit to the UK, you look good bro,
> however that still does not make put you in major decision making position
> in the party especially with regards to opposition unity.
> And when I wrote to Uncle Haruna the following: "If you want to be Darboe’s
> Press Secretary could you give us the UDP position on the way forward
> instead of pouring venom on Halifa for being bold enough to come up with
> concrete proposals?", Yanks tried to take ownership of it. But I am not
> interested in his ranting but only for the part he quoted Daffeh as thus:
> "Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS Party should put their personal pride, egos and
> idealism aside and immediately embrace a UDP led alliance without any
> obnoxious precondition whatsoever". This is where I want to tackle Daffeh.
>
> But before that I need your help first. I  want to be fair to the UDP
> leadership. I know they are matured people and know what is at stake. We are
> dealing with the future of the Gambia and I do not want to judge the UDP by
> the words of its sycophants. Before I write I would want you to call Darboe
> and ask him whether they have reached the decision that the only alliance he
> Darboe and the UDP would be a part of is one which endorses his candidature
> for the 2011 Presidential elections.
>
> I am still not convinced that the UDP leadership will be calling on people
> to give it money so that it prepares for failure. That is political suicide
> and any body who helps them in that venture must be seen to be either driven
> by nepotism, tribalism or opportunism. Only people who are infected with
> such disease could reason in the irrational manner Sonny Daffeh chose to do.
> The issue that the UDP Sycophants refuse to look at is how to bring about
> change.
>
> Suntou, please do this for the sake of our country. I know you were with
> Darboe not long ago but you can talk to him again at least one more time.
> Agreed? Good, and thank you. I will be expecting you within the next 24
> hours to give a reply and I will then prove to you that it is the positions
> you take which makes Agenda 2011 the best option available so far for those
> who want change.
>
> That is why you are focusing on hate messages against Halifa and not
> showing why the agenda is unworkable. I am using my real name but you people
> are hiding to a point of using the name Kumba Gaye to attack  me for
> exposing the bankruptcy of your position.
>
> Nyang
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/15/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:50 PM
>
>   Modou, I can see that you are desperate to tag me with every negative
> jargon. Bring them on. What you are failing to notice is that, the way UDP
> dominate in terms of support on the ground, is the same right where you are.
> So hold your horse on the negativity, it doesn't bother me. KKK, we know who
> the real ones are.
>
> Suntou and his UDP fellow members are focus on what matters, exposing the
> dubious political propaganda by Halifa is just a small part of our work.
> Don't get affected to the level you are willing to stoop low as some of your
> coward colleagues. Halifa should also stop writing stuffs for you, people
> can tell the difference. It is making me cringe, in as much as wish to see
> him do the right thing, taking unnecessary disastrous route is something i
> don’t recommend he will do.
>
> Wherever Suntou is confirmed a KKK, Modou Nayan and his friends will be
> loyal members too.
>
> Too cheap friend
>
> Suntou
>
>
>  On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
>
>   Uncle Haruna, I got you loud and clear. You do not want to wade into
> political mathematics and you are not the Press Secretary of the UDP. There
> is nothing for us to debate. I will then go back to the UK club.
>
> However I must tell you that I have noticed in your writing that there is a
> generation gap between us. This is why you cannot identify some of my
> cultural symbolism's. Even though it is out of place for a nephew to give
> advise to an uncle I do see the desire in you to do something constructive
> for the Gambia. I therefore hope that you will give up the posture which
> gives you the image of a person who want to be on top of every body else.
>
> I really could not understand what problem you have in the provisions of
> the constitution being disseminated in a practical and relevant way ad
> infinitum. It is our national document and we need to know it to promote the
> rule of law. I also could not understand why you felt that those who give
> birth to educated children cannot understand government budgets if explained
> in their own language. The problem of the Gambia is not the people but those
> who claim to know but are illiterates in our local languages. Hence they
> cannot communicate what they have learned to the grass-roots.
>
> Certain kinds of information are meant for the goose and another to the
> gander. I certainly wanted to challenge you on your comments regarding the
> Brufut donations but now I think I will leave you alone. However, I will not
> close my chapter with you for the moment without expressing my
> disappointment at your comment that you did not read Agenda 2011 but used it
> as toilet paper.
>
> Please don’t be a partner to Suntou’s friend whose Ku-Klux-Clan and Rush
> Limburg attitude is so full of hate and prejudice that does not allow him to
> see good in anyone who does not bow down to his wishes. Uncle Haruna  Halifa
> and those in their fifties belong to the last group of the  generation of
> people who have now reached retirement age and you the people  in your 40s
> (am guessing, as you informed me that Sam was your teacher) belong to the
> first group who should be leading our generation. I feel ashamed that those
> of us in our 30s could be reading such vulgar words from people who should
> be our role models.
>
> You must promise that any time you  speak again you will do so as a
> responsible elder who aims to inspire the generation just after you. If we
> follow the footsteps of Suntu and the haters Gambia is in trouble for a long
> time to come. I will now devote my time to them to prevent them from
> misleading themselves since they can mislead no other person in the world.
> There intolerance is already becoming apparent. Even Jeggan is now PDOIS
> even though he is advocating for a primary that include people who are not
> members of political parties. What could be more democratic than that? To
> them it must be their leader or no one else. We are now beginning to see who
> the real sycophants are.
>
> Nyang
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/15/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>>
>
>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
> To: [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 1:24 PM
>
>
>  Yanks, Thanx for sharing. Although I don't know the man, but I liken
> Daffeh to Carl Rove and James Carville. The man is simply excellent. You
> would wish UDP/NRP had a 1000 Daffehs, Karambas, SUntous, Ansus, and
> Yankses.
>
> Aaaaaaallleeeeeh! Haruna.
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> >
> To: [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 12:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
>
>
> For the attention of Modou Nyang, Pa Samba Jow (Coach), Halifa Sallah, and
> the rest of the anti-UDP
> Movement!
> I bring to your attention this article culled from freedomnewspaper, though
> with a slight change to its heading!
>
> NADD Should Have Done Better
>
> By Sonny Daffeh, UK
> Mr Editor,
> Please allow me space to respond to Jeggan Grey-Johnson’s article of 9thFebruary 2010 which was published in your well established medium under the
> heading; ‘‘Agenda 2011; The Opposition Leaders Must Do the Right Thing.’’
>
> While I agree that the opposition should get it right this time around, I
> do not however agree that Agenda 2011 is the right basis for this. This is
> an ill-conceived theory that was propounded by a disingenuous political
> ideologue on the basis of two premises namely; that the NADD alliance did
> not work because it was unable to gather significant amount of votes in the
> 2006 presidential elections, and also that the UDP led alliance did not work
> because it had registered a drop in votes from their 2001 electoral
> standing. While I agree with the former, I beg to differ with the latter.
> That premise is not only flawed, it is also fraught with the propounder's
> very own personal prejudice against a possible UDP led alliance in 2011.
>
> Although, it is true that the UDP registered a drop in votes from their
> 2001 standing, this however cannot be attributed to the type of alliance
> [party led alliance] they adopted in 2006. As was rightly indicated in the
> UDP- UK rejoinder of 1st February 2010, UDP’s drop in votes resulted from
> two things; their own lack of adequate preparation thanks to their prior
> membership of NADD, and the unprecedented low voter turnout [58.58%] that
> was witnessed in 2006 which when compared to the 2001 voter turn-out
> [89.71%], indicates a drop of 31.13% and this is notwithstanding the fact
> that the national voter register had been updated with 219,630 new voters in
> 2006. Going by the results of 2006 presidential election, it doesn’t appear
> that these voters had voted for a different party rather than the UDP. They
> just didn’t vote. Otherwise, why is it that NADD barely crossed over the 5%
> threshold?
>
> Some might argue that the low voter turn-out was a direct result of
> opposition disunity.  While this may be true, it does not however lend any
> credence to Agenda 2011 as there is no evidence which suggests that this was
> a specifically directed protest against the UDP led alliance. Even if the
> connection between opposition disunity and the voter turn-out is validly
> made and I am not saying it is not, it would appear that the situation would
> still have been the same irrespective of whatever type of alliance any party
> might have chosen to adopt, be it party led alliance, the so-called umbrella
> party or indeed a grand coalition. Therefore, it is not the nature of party
> led alliance that is the issue here but the factors that inhibited the
> realisation of its full potentials in 2006. That is what folks with genuine
> interest in opposition unity want to talk about, not some kind of
> superficial political theories that are specifically invented to circumvent
> the rules of conventional politics in furtherance of a particular
> individual’s selfish agenda. A grand coalition as spelled-out in Agenda 2011
> is pretty much akin to the NADD coalition - the only difference being the
> name - and would be vitiated with the same problems that eventually led to
> the breakdown of NADD. Hence, it is not an option. It is just a mere but
> crude academic exercise. Therefore and instead of asking the leaders to
> commit the same mistake and somehow expect a different result or levelling
> false accusations against the leadership of the United Democratic Party –
> accusing them of paying a lip service to the call for unity -, Jeggan should
> have been bold enough to ask Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS Party to put their
> personal pride, egos and idealism aside and immediately embrace a UDP led
> alliance without any obnoxious precondition whatsoever. That is the only
> thing that has never happened before and it is about time history is made.
>
> The UDP has proven itself over and over of being the dominant force in
> Gambia’s opposition politics. Any future alliance/coalition of all
> opposition parties must therefore be built around them. This is a sacred
> principle of any democratic political dispensation and no amount of spinning
> and hypocrisy will be allowed to circumvent it. The earlier the fringe
> parties recognise this, the better for our chances of forging a unified
> alliance of all opposition parties against the ruling APRC in 2011. This is
> not about helping someone to become an elite as Halifa would say. It is
> about adhering to the rules of conventional politics; coalitions are usually
> led by the biggest party in the group.
> Jeggan’s suggestion of a primary election as a mechanism for selecting a
> candidate for a possible coalition of all opposition parties is both
> misplaced and untenable. Primaries are normally an internal party contest
> where individuals contest for the leadership/candidature of a given party in
> a forthcoming general election. Coalitions of independent sovereign
> political parties don’t contest primaries to determine who their leader
> should be. That is normally determined by the results of the preceding
> general election. This is what we have seen in Israel, Germany and Italy
> just to name a few. There is no reason why this should not apply to the
> opposition in the Gambia.
> In 2006, 127,473 electorates voted for the opposition combined. Out of
> this, 81% voted for the UDP candidate and 19% for NADD – the so-called PDOIS
> and PPP-OJ coalition – This exhibits a clear expressed will of the Gambian
> people which is valid for five years – it expires only after the 2011
> presidential election – and have therefore effectively rendered the whole
> idea of a primary utterly obsolete as a legitimate candidate can easily be
> determined from these statistics.
> Jeggan’s claim that PPP-OJ and PDOIS coalition [NADD] registered an
> increase of 100% in their 2006 score is really laughable. I couldn’t stop
> asking myself whether he is in his trees. This shows that our dear friend is
> detached from both the facts and the political reality on the ground. PPP
> and PDOIS never contested a general election together as an alliance prior
> to the 2006 presidential election. Hence, there is no prior statistics that
> could be used to determine whether they have registered an increase or a
> decrease in 2006. What is however crystal clear is that this alliance or
> whatever they chose to call it, is not fit for purpose for it is an
> extremely weak one. Out of forty-eight constituencies, they had 1,000 or
> more votes in only five constituencies. In thirty-three constituencies, they
> had less than 1000 votes and in ten constituencies less than 100 votes. I
> see no potential in such a diabolical electoral performance.
>
> As for who leads the UDP, that is a matter for the general membership and
> if Jeggan doesn’t like the current leader, he should join the party before
> its upcoming congress and fight from within. Otherwise, he should, frankly
> speaking, shut up.
>
>  I hope he will do more research next time before going to the press.
> SS Daffeh
> Essex, UK
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:09:55 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Let us turn a new
>
>
>
>
>
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