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suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Let us turn
a new page / Modou Nyang. To: [log in to unmask] Date:
Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:52 AM
"That is why you are focusing on hate messages against Halifa and
not showing why the agenda is unworkable. I am using my real name but
you people are hiding to a point of using the name Kumba Gaye to
attack me for exposing the bankruptcy of your position."
Modou Nyang
Modou, be serious for once. I have written about Halifa Sallah
since 2007. I have done so with my name. If you have a response
against the person you name above, you better do it. Why pander and make
such ridiculous statement uncle.
"You have earned notoriety here for inventing things against
people. Now your new invention is Modou Nyang is not the one writing it
is Halifa. You think Halifa has time for your likes. I will inform you
today that you are one of the main reasons why i subscribed here in
order to challenge your views. I have been reading your comments for
some time but could not commend on them because i was not
subscribed." Modou Nyang
Well done for subscribing to challenge me. Thanks
Uncle Modou. As my extended uncle of the Nyang kunda denasty, i am
a little sad that, your emotion tend to hang on your sleeve. You
don't need to say those innermost emotional decisions. It makes you look
weak.
I thought you may have join the Gambia L to
read the poems of our great brother, the stories and satires around
here, the rebuttals of your gang members, the wise words from
your new son (Haruna) and the news stories from the
famous freedomnewspaper, gainako etc.
Halifa for your information is more aware of Suntou
than you can ever imagine. Ask Pa samba to forward to you an email
Halifa wrote for my attention back in 2007. You may not have graduated
from the Temple in Churchills Town then. However, i careless about
him paying any attention to what i say. i will continue to expose his
propagandas time permitting.
Another issue is that, there is no problem Halifa
passing you information to do his propaganda for him. In fact, this is
what Obama did, Bush, Mandela, Gandi, Blair, and all great
leaders.
You should have acknowledged Halifa in the response,
the case would be close.
Obama's speeches are written for him, that is why
it captivate the masses. People who specialised in flowery English and
can utilise the words into good effect assist in formulating his
messages. Bush was the same, Clinton the same, Mandela the same and so
on.
But when a would be leader feels that, he doesn't need
any other person's idea in a project for a whole nation,
then something serious is wrong with such a person.
If Sam Sarr, Sedia, Adama Bah have also added their
name on the Agenda, one can say, the material was thought
through in any way or form. But for one man to draft
undemocratic ideas and then instead of conferring with those who
he is to unite with, he went straight to the media: The Gambia
echo, Gainako, freedom, Maafanta and his personal diary
(Foroyaa).
Foroyaa publish anything emanating from Halifa
even if he cough, they will publish it.
Halifa bypassing all mediators (whom he describe
as youths), opposition parties, this means, he has made up his mind
to do whatever is that he aim to do alone.
So let others talk and come together. Halifa's boys in
America know his real ambition, some are deeply sadden by his political
suicidal route, but publicly they have to stand by him. For us,
our doors are open. But ideas which have not been tested in
this world will not be gambled with.
Modou, your other baseless
small comments are not worth my time. Wasalam, happy
juma
"It seems that you are now resorting back to
playing the sympathy card. We have been discussing politics
here, yet you are taking to accusing me of hate messages. My
God, this is serious business. I wonder whether your political
master forget to indoctrinated you enough on tolerance to
dessenting views."
Suntou, your above statement and
it's likes are what makes you a hater that in the Rush Limbaugh
category that you are parading as dissent.
You have
earned notoriety here for inventing things against people. Now
your new invention is Modou Nyang is not the one writing it is
Halifa. You think Halifa has time for your likes. I will inform
you today that you are one of the main reasons why i subscribed
here in order to challenge your views. I have been reading your
comments for some time but could not commend on them because i
was not subscribed.
Also i have told you i am only a
high school graduate. I am also a trained writer and journalist.
So i will leave you to your inventions. If if it the source of
the statistics that you are wondering about well you should not
wander far because you already know i am from Foroyaa and we
have a well stocked library there.
So cool down Malang
Suntou, (if you have a Nigerian friend you can ask what Malang
means in Hausa), i am with you as you said it politics. I am
more comfortable dealing with you than Uncle Haruna. You know
the man is so fluid with those bigs words that i need my
dictionary on my side to get along with him. As for you, i just
compose directly in my inbox and am scribbling this one after a
long days work. Am sleepy men.
But wait a minute, i got
something for that Sonny guy. Is he an Ellener? No need,
after-all Suntou you can let him or is it she, know i will be
coming his way.
This is a special note for him. This
Sonny is more sensible than that Kumba Gaye that is why she did
not get my attention.
Daffeh, I just wish to
inform you that you are preparing for failure. I will soon
post an article to freedom newspaper to expose that the UDP is
preparing for failure if the views of the leadership are the
same with you its sycophants in the UK. I am sure the UDP
leadership is more sensible than that.
Nothing is more
absurd than to give the impression that the UDP could win an
election without a new tactic and strategy being put in place.It
is clear that some of us in the Diaspora are comfortable in
staying here for a life time. Some do not care whether the UDP
wins or not. It is either UDP or nothing else.
Of course
the sensible Gambian people know better than to join people who
are bent on committing political suicide.They will leave them to
go alone.
It seems that you are now resorting back to
playing the sympathy card. We have been discussing
politics here, yet you are taking to accusing me of hate
messages. My God, this is serious business. I wonder whether
your political master forget to indoctrinated you enough
on tolerance to dessenting views.
As for coach, he is a grumpy middle age man, i expected
him to be in control at all times, but as it happens he
boggled under pressure. I am polite and shall not shout at
him.
It is easier to be rude though than to be in charge. It
was Pa Samba who came out playing the grand old Duke of Gambia
L few days ago, Telling us why we didn't respond to his friend
sooner. My question is, who the hell ask him for his opinion?
Was he nominated to be the nanny of Gambia L without our
consent?
I know many PDOIS members who would rather Halifa do the
right thing and stop seeking name uncanningly. The issue is,
many PDOIS members don't know the first thing about Sallah. He
is not what they think he is. The man listen to only
himself.
Coach was worried about potential aversion of Halifa
from my notes. I advised he read it again to see if he can
glean a better understanding of it. I am still waiting for
Coach in the event his second review of my notes afforded
him no more relief. If I don't hear from Coach by noon
Monday, Feb. 15th., 2010, I will take it he has yielded
relief from further review. And I am only looking forward to
a conversation with Coach on the extant matter. Not you Dad.
I am a very busy man. If you have some angst about my notes,
please let me know and where your angst is. I will endeavour
to assist further when time permits me. Meanwhile, our
association here presumes anyone of us can comment on
anything shared here when and if we desire.
I have become unduly busy since friday and I plead with
you to have some regard for my limited time. I will not be
engaged in debates and or chatter here unless where I see
value in such.
"...The issue is in fact not so much about
the figures but the ludicrous claim that they
somehow indicates a manifestation of electoral shun
on the nature of alliances adopted by both NADD and
UDP led alliance prior to the 2006 presidential
election i.e. party led alliance and the so-called
umbrella party. That is absolute nonsense. Although
there may have been a degree of voter discontent
over opposition disunity or the incumbent’s employed
harassment and intimidation tactics,-depending on
which side of the story you want to believe- there
is absolutely no evidence that the low voter-turnout
seen in 2006 was as a result of the types of
alliance adopted by either NADD or the UDP. This
defeats the whole essence of Halifa’s agenda 2011
and that is exactly what UDP-UK rejoinder was all
about..."
Suntou, with your above statement I am done
with you and your other two guys. I will focus on
Uncle Haruna. And when I return you and your friends
might have solved their invented puzzle of who is
chatting with them.
Uncle Haruna, do not worry much
about Coach understanding your posting. I am with
you all the way. Just bear with me a little I will
be back.
I take your counsel into advisement. Pa Samba is a
dear friend. He and I will come to understandings. It
takes a little nudging and explanation for him but it
shall come to pass. I am not a novice at conflict
resolution.
Here is what I advise of you though.
Today, today. If Halifa for some reason went into a
trans and declared - Let us have a total opposition
union and let UDP/NRP lead it, wIll you and UDP/NRP
waste your times to join
PDOIS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
This is the question I want you and UDP/NRP and
even GMC to ponder. After you do, you will throw away
Agenda-2011 and focus on building your parties and
alliances. As I can see, both UDP/NRP and GMC have
shortcomings in party administration that leave a lot to
be desired. Simple tasks take days or months to complete
if at all. When your leader is busy defending Femi
Peters, the party's entire activities stop. WHY???? If
Ousainou is not free, the party's executive committee
need to ensure the continued functioning of the party.
WHY is that? Some due-diligence does not require money.
Organising and visiting with your supporters regularly
as far away as Koina and Jimara and cultivating new
supporters should be done all the time, Ousainou or no
Ousainou. NADD/PDOIS has the same problem or worse. But
the time you partisans spend on chatter could be better
used developing your parties. The way I see it, none of
the parties is capable of governing Gambia in this
state. And if you should dream about forming a singular
union, you will have multiplied the inefficiencies
ten-fold.
So focus your time and energies on value - building
and strangthening your parties. We are not interested in
a United Opposition any more. At least we will not
depend on that idea as the means to remove Yahya. So
don't feel burdened to form a united opposition on
account of the people.
Thank you and may DaarManso continue to bless all
of you in your self-interests.
Haruna, your comments are simple, logical and
straight forward. But the sad facts is that, some people
cannot even think for themselves without Sallah telling
them how. Halifa's attempt to be Jack of all trade meant
that, he did injustice to himself and UDP/NRP analysing
absent voters and the synergy effect with him being a
mortal man could'nt quantify.
Halifa should display his formula of his
cirtic of the UDP/NRP not adding the absent voters to
the pool. Absent voters affected all the parties,
including PDOIS and NDam.
Haruna, your efforts are honourable and honest.
Where you criticise me and my attempts, i recognise the
reasoning in them. When we send our rejoinder, Halifa's
few fans in American made all sorts of noise, some
saying:
Halifa is under attack,
we should stop all talks
Now who did we responded to? The wind or Halifa?
Did this people actually read anything Halifa
wrote?
My hunch is they don't. But when Mr Grey-Johnson
again repeated Halifa mistakes, i didn't hear this
people who nearly went into coma when we their
patron, when Darboe was branded power hungry etc by
a misguided bigoted partisan.
The two face mentality is the real reason Halifa is
continuing what he doing. Behind his back his own guys
are dissolution with him, among people, they defend his
ideas even after knowing they don't make sense. And as
for Pasamba, true peace will come to pass when you are
bold enough to confront Halifa. But for now, it will be
a dream.
Olfactor you can't help but take a swipe at yours
truly. What is wrong with you men? I'll have you know
you can't have a better friend than Haruna. I just got
off the phone with a friend. He tells me president
Clinton is doing marvelously and with our continued
prayers, he should be back up, straight up, to
continue to assist in Haiti and Northern Ireland. I
told him I have a friend in Dublin who could hold the
torch for Ireland as the president recovers. So I
messed up your hibernation long before you perceived
it. SOmeone will be looking for you over there to lend
all Ireland a hand as she works through devolution.
Won't you do Ireland a good turn? Migrant worker or
not, you still live in Ireland. So why go into
hibernation on account of your friend Haruna when
you could be working for Northern Ireland???? Learn to
not take, take, take. Learn to give, give, give.
Besides I did not hear where you tried to get our
mutual friend Demba out of box. I know your life has
some value. I just gotta figure it out for you. I
still love you.
Now then Dad, you did a marvelous job in amicus
of Halifa's electoral arithemetic which you inform us
was the basis for Agenda 2011. You must be commended
for this. It is what mortal man can expect of a
partisan. I totally admire your zeal and sport. I
guess it is not necessary therefore for me to read
Agenda 2011 afterall. I will share some notes with you
and they will be brief.
In my view, Halifa's un-intended dishonesty does
not lie in the arithemetic adduand. As a
philosopher and sociologist par excellence, Halifa
must have been taught that linear arithemetic is not
terribly valuable for philosophers and sociologists.
That is why linear algebra and additional math were
introduced in those years where sociologists and
philosophers shared their agonies in explaining human
conditions and considerations. Throw in the
philosopher and sociologist who wishes to use politics
to solve the landmark equations of social engineering.
Why do people vote? Why do they vote the way they
do?
Let me be the first to share with you that
the adduand exclusively should not be considered
in electoral arithemetic. You cannot explain the
distributive and associative properties only by using
addition alone, addition and subtraction alone, Or
addition, subtraction, and multiplication alone.
Electoral arithemetic must include the use of
addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, the
operations of integral and derivative science are a
complex use of these four, and they cannot even begin
to tackle electoral mathematics. Secondly, you must
endeavour to include the time value of elections and
votes and the time value of human considerations. That
is where the accountant comes to the aid of the
philosopher/sociologist/politician. Even further,
electoral calculus contains some intractable variables
such as personal considerations of the voter that are
a function of his/her state of mind at the time of
voting. What you must not do under any circumstance,
is to extrapolate or compare votes of different
periods or periodic elections. Your quandry is not
complete even after you satisfy the foregoing. There
comes the matter of vote-buying, vote-selling which
Halifa himself was at pains to convince us happens
during the elections in Gambia. Well throw in the mix
of the Gambian voter's problems of Yahya's
intimidations, electoral riggings, and ballot
stuffings, why you have just thoroughly
discombabulated yourself.
In essence, the dishonesty displayed by Halifa,
though unintended, is a result of using a dishonest
formula. Now when you skew that formula to portray
another opposition party as incapable to win future
elections, you burden straightforward dishonest
calculus with odious bias. If the premise therefore of
AGENDA 2011 is the result of such arithemetic, well
you know the rest of the story.
Therefore, I urge Halifa to apologise to the
readers of Agenda 2011 and all other opposition
parties, and when we work on a roadmap, to cease
redefining past elections in Gambia. Past election
results in Gambia will not afford any valuable or
meaningful discernment for any opposition party. And
Foroyaa, based on such arithemetic wishes opposition
parties to go back to the drawing board. For
what????????? We are all unduly mesmerized by the
sanctity of a total opposition union. I advise
sobriety and caution against disingenuity and
pretense.
I commend you nonetheless for efforting amicus of
Agenda 2011 and Halifa.
Olfactor, any minute now you'll hear a knock on
your door. Nobody hibernates in Ireland anymore. She
invests enormous amounts to market herself as a lively
tourist destination. You should help her in that
regard. I love you all.
Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:54 am Subject: Re:
Let us turn a new page
Nyang,
Keep up the good work, however dealing
with grouchy characters is difficult,
for reason and reality is not their forte. Let me
go back to my hibernation as our grouch
par excellence here has
snorted at people who have decided to ignore his
incessant and vapid rambling. I do not want to be
splattered by his grotty stuff, so hibernation
here we come.
Nyang once again keep the fire burning and keep
helping me out of my hibernation with your good
work. Thanks for a very well written
piece.
How Many times am I to prove that you do
not do your homework well? I can see that you
are trying to get allies from all those People
with hate messages. This is weakening your
course. Such hate messages cannot isolate any
one.. We have seen those types of people here in
the US during Obama’s campaign. They cannot
explain why they hate him.
Consequently their hate messages worked out
very well for Obama. Here too you are giving
Halifa more publicity than he has asked for. The
worse thing that you did to your self is to
raise issues which led to the challenge for
Halifa to explain the role he played in NADD. I
am still waiting to read part 3 so that things
will be clearer since your camp is still trying
to distort the truth even though no NADD leader
had come out in public to do so.
Your last hope to discredit Halifa is your
claim that he distorted the result of the 2001
Presidential elections just to prove that the
UDP lost more votes than it really did, when
compared to 2006 so that its leadership would be
discredited. In my reaction to your rejoinder I
decided to skip the issue of the exact number of
votes your party the UDP had in the 2001
election in order to do a proper research on it.
I have now scanned the results of the 2001
Presidential elections with the signature of the
then Chairman of the Independent Electoral
Commission Gabriel Roberts.
However, before going into your distortion
of the results I would want to help one of your
friends to understand what I meant when I said
Darboe was not brave enough to tell his
colleagues what he wanted and stuck by it before
they ventured to form NADD. He misunderstood me
completely and strayed into accusing Halifa of
promoting that a brave person should be selected
to lead an opposition alliance. My position is
that if Darboe is strongly convinced that he
should lead and others should follow. He should
simply declare that for all to understand and
then proceed to sell his agenda to the people.
Whoever wants to join him would do so and those
who would not want to join him would go on with
their own programmes. Since UDP is not ready to
compromise on leadership it should make that
clear and stand by that decision and should not
join any arrangement where leadership would have
to be negotiated with other stakeholders.
let me now deal with the results of the
2001 Presidential elections. Halifa made it
clear in his Agenda 2011 that UDP had 149448
votes in 2001 while NRP had 35,671 votes. Please
read the Agenda again. You will get the real
figures rather than approximations. If you want
a copy of the Agenda i will mail it to you
electronically.
Halifa indicated that the two parties
formed an alliance in 2006 along with GPDP and
had votes numbering 104,808 votes..Halifa
concluded that compared to the 2001 figures the
two parties lost 80,301 votes. Where then has
Halifa gone wrong?
Could you not do simple addition and
subtraction? Add 149,448 votes to 35,67. You
should get 185,119 votes. Subtract 104,808 from
185,119. What is your answer? Is it not 80,301
votes. Halifa is dead correct and you the
members of the UDP camp in the UK are dead
wrong.
I have investigated and got the results a
long time ago. I wanted to check whether you
have leaders who would guide you to know the
truth. The fact that you are still persisting in
claiming that Halifa’s figures are wrong has
forced me to request for a scanned declaration
of results signed by The Chairman of the IEC and
I hope you will now apologise to Halifa for your
misleading statements. I am surprised by the
fact that you are still clinging to the view
that Halifa quoted wrong figures even though
your leaders in Banjul should be able to tell
you the truth instead of leaving you to
humiliate yourselves before world public
opinion. I have decided to share the copy of the
declarations of the 2001 election results with
the online media for all to see for them selves
since I cannot directly place it here unless as
an attachment.
Furthermore Suntou, you claim that it is
the UDP who enabled Halifa to win his Serrekunda
Central Seat. Let us look at the results of the
elections in Serrekunda since the UDP was put up
by the three major parties of the first
Republic, that is, the PPP, the NCP and the
GPP.
In 1997, the UDP campaigned against Halifa
Sallah in Serrekunda East and put up a major PPP
supporter, Bakary Manneh, as their candidate in
order to exploit OJ’s popularity as the MP at
the time of the coup. The results were as
follows Halifa had 8, 529 votes, The UDP had 8,
067votes and the APRC had 9, 575votes. Contrary
to your position that the UDP put up a candidate
against Halifa in the 2007 National Assembly
elections to humble him while it left Sidia
Jatta’s seat uncontested since he was a humble
PDOIS leader, Halifa did not stand as a
Presidential Candidate in 1996. It is Sidia
Jatta who stood as a candidate against the UDP.
And in the 1997 National Assembly elections, the
UDP also put up a prominent NCP supporter in
Wuli against Sidia Jatta. Alhamdu Conteh who
stood as The UDP candidate had 1,098, Mamadi
Karlo Jabai of the APRC had 4, 641 and Sidia
Jatta of PDOIS had 5, 499. Sidia won despite
UDP"s attempt to contest the seat.
In the 2002 National Assembly elections,
the UDP boycotted the elections and called on
all its members to stay away from the polls. In
Serre Kunda Central, Halifa had 5, 563 votes as
a PDOIS Candidate while the APRC candidate had
5, 143 votes. Halifa won.
In the 2005 by election in Serre Kunda
Central, Halifa had 5, 911 votes as a candidate
of the alliance while the APRC had 3, 984 votes.
Ther alliance added only 348 votes to the 2002
votes Halifa had as a PDOIS candidate. As a NADD
candidate Halifa had 4, 302 in the 2007 National
Assembly elections, UDP had 1, 548. and the APRC
had 6, 386.
It should be clear that Sidia and Halifa
both won their seats as PDOIS candidates
irrespective of the UDP. UDP made a big mistake
in contesting the Serrekunda central seat. It
did not spoil anything for Halifa. It spoilt its
own name. Many young people started to describe
it as a party that pours the sand in the
porridge if it is not invited to share in the
eating. UDP UK is also doing more harm to the
UDP. I will take up this issue later.
Suntu you concluded that: "The UDP U.K
knows very well, Halifa's students will come
trying to defend the indefensible. They will
again continue to twist the facts and try to
blame others for Halifa's inability to convince
Gambian voters. What the UDP propose which is
respectfully talked by sincere Gambians, Halifa
don't want to pay attention to that. What he
want is to talk directly to Gambians, the civil
society, the NGO's etc and then create a cadre
of people who will later chose him as their
saviour."
This is your allegation. This is your fear.
You do fear that Halifa could convince the
Gambian voters. Your objective therefore is to
prevent this through premeditated character
assassination. You claim that I am trying to
distort facts. What facts are we trying to
distort? If Halifa cannot convince the Gambian
people then why is he your headache. Halifa is
not Darboes problem and Darboe is not Halifa’s
problem. The problem of the Gambian people
should be our problem .Allow me to quote what
Halifa said recently.
"Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC
candidate had 242, 302 votes when it forged no
alliance with the NCP. At that time there were
501, 304 registered voters. Suffice it to say,
even though the number of voters increased by
169, 032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could
only increase by 22,102 votes. The UDP candidate
had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even though it
developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671
votes in 2001, its votes went down 104,808 votes
in the 2006 elections, despite the increase in
the number of registered voters by 169, 032
voters."
"Foroyaa: What is your advise?"
"It is therefore necessary for political
leaders to go back to the drawing board and map
out a new way forward. How is the opposition to
attract the 542,055 voters who did not vote for
them is the subject at hand. This is what Agenda
2011 is all about. Even though I am not
excluding acceptance of candidature, I have
already declared that the best option is to
select a neutral candidate who will be able to
run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a
period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after
a genuine multi party contest. It is left to
Gambians to decide whether they have a better
way forward."
Please ask Darboe to state his proposal for
a way forward so that we know what the UDP want
for the Nation. That is better than endless
bickering by the spokesperson of the party in
the UK .
Bailo, good to know your ears are wide
open. I thought you understood the famous
English saying "one man's meat is another man's
poison". What you believe to be crap from Suntou
is a gem to some and vice verse.
I have always been a fan of
politics Bailo, however it
doesn't dominate my life. I reveal here
last year that, i was reading and consulting
with some Gambian opposition parties. trying to
know certain aspects of their politics and also
to maintain how i can relate to them.
It was after this period, i decided the
best option out there is the United Democratic
Party. Hence my joining their ranks.
I appreciate your boldness in stating on
several occasion that a party led coalition is
the solution. Not every PDOIS member wish to
accept this fact, but in life we have to accept
and politely disagree.
The situation for us all are very similar.
Our central concern is to see that a
government comes to power that will respect the
rule of law and adheres to good governance. And
also a government that will abide by term limits
and allow for diaspora Gambians to come home
anytime and stand for election without any
restriction like it it is now.
UDP/NRP all agrees with this principles and
also PDOIS. Therefore the deliberate error some
people are throwing about saying that, Ousainou
will not abide by term limits is the biggest
nonsense.
Ousainou is selected by the UDP
at there annual party congress to lead the
party, yet Jeggan is complaining that Ousainou
didn't hand over to someone. Who is the new
expert to lecture the UDP on how to select a
party leader?
Let Halifa hand over the leadership of
PDOIS to Sam Sarr before he too passes the
required age. After all, the American system
seems to be if you cannot get the presidency,
you pass it on. Let Sam step up. Jeggan can
lecture his PDOIS members but not us.
The annoying thing in all this exchanges is
that, those who cry baby when we reacted
are all in hibernation, this world.
No wonder truth is relative. Bee kaa foo
ila bori leya, tiw tiw ( each person
shout for your runner). Things are moving,
albeit slowly. But progress is been made.
Ajarama, and Ibalen jam. Ya Allah dandu meen
foof kata e katato. Ameen.
I heard you loud
and clear. But we gotta move on and not get
stuck to the past.
As for the NIA, they
are everywhere in the Gambia. Recently a young
man was pulled out of a public bus at Denton
bridge and merciless beaten to a vegetative
state by our so-called security forces. His
crime? The bus in which he was travelling was
like all vehicles on the road at the time
ordered off the road because the Presidential
motorcade was expected along it. The wait was
apparently long and this young man made the
mistake of telling someone he was was speaking
with on his mobile that they were waiting for
the for the convoy of our stupid president
to pass. An NIA informant overheard his
indiscretion and decided to teach him a lesson.
When the bus reached Denton Bridge; the
informant ordered the driver of the bus to halt
the bus, the young chap was pulled out and his
alleged
crime reported to the security forces.
Their immediate reaction was to beat him to a
vegetative state for his indiscretionary words
against the President.
It is therefore
ordinary private citizens who are paying a
higher price under the status quo than public
personalities like Ousainou, Halifa, OJ, Seedia
and the rest, the immense sacrifice of the
latter category
nothwithstanding.
Honestly, I am not a
strong moslem as you. Evidence suggests that are
not a taleban otherwise the only technology you
would approved of is the killing machines. I
guess you own a tv and even a computer. As such
If you were a taleban, your fellow talebans
would have been seeking to publicly flog for
your deviation. So you cannot be a taleban!
Though I must confess that sometimes I tend to
mis-consider you as one very angry ayatollah who
considers so-called PDOIS fanatics like myself
as supporters of the great Satan. I sincerely
hope that is not so. Remember, you cautioned us
sometimes ago that politicians are not to be
trusted. Your transformation into one within
this short space of time is amazing. Who and
what is primary motivation? I suppose Halifa is
not the one.
Anyway, keep up the good
work for your party and the Gambia in general
and please leave the crap out. I concur that you
reserve the right
to.........................
Bailo, your spin was well intention albeit
your inability to accept the facts of your
Messiah's calamity. He cannot hide neither
run away from his mistakes. We are all
willing to move on and try to talk as brothers.
But what we cannot leave alone the continuous
blame game Halifa attributed to others leaving
his own saintly person out.
Politics is not a career for saints
Bailo, the sooner Halifa recognises that the
better. And the gang mentality his supporters
manifest is a turn of for even his supporters,
ganging up against those who speak about his
politics will only cause Halifa less
cloud.
I also notice that, some of his guys start
calling me Taliban, extremist and what have you.
If they are willing to stoop so low in
their misunderstanding of politics, my body
feel for them.
Bailo, you are strong a muslims
brother who actively partake in islamic actvist,
those that make you a Taliban? I know some of
your Islamic commitments, but I also accept
that, as Muslims, we should be interested in
politics, science, literature, acceptable art,
philosophy, just anything we can enhance our
minds with.
But alas, the gossip that Suntou is
intolerant pumped up by the PDOIS boys has
reached me a long time. Some of this liers are
even in cahoot with the Foroyaa establishment
providing them with equipment and the
like.
My Islam allows me the privilege to be an
enterprising citizen wherever I live. I am a
Muslim by choice and will practise Islam to the
best of my ability and will put across the
little I know God-Willing. I respect the
laws of the land i reside in. But If my
comments on Halifa incense some to the extent
that, they are willing to vilify and attribute
nonsensical tags to me, then I am
vindicated.
Let us see how things pan out, we standby
our findings and whenever it becomes necessary,
we shall respond to all false analogies on UDP.
For those who wish to be taken seriously
including you Bailo, distant yourself from
errors, no matter who commits them, only then
people will accept your subsequent cries.
Modou's abysmal response require no
countering from us. he place Halifa in even more
serious doubts hence putting across Halifa's
line. He is the brave soldier and others not.
The facts speaks different. Ousainou's office is
man regularly by NIA agents, doing all they can
to deter him from actively politics. His clients
harassed, his associated harassed, yet the
foroyaa guys go about their business selling
papers and earning yet claiming to be
sacrificing more than others. It make me laugh
mate.
Your
clarification efforts are highly appreciated.
Let us now move on and chart a new course
towards helping bring about unity within the
opposition movement. In our unity is our
strength. However, I strongly believe that the
general opposition movement would again fail to
realise our common goal of achieving a new
Gambia for all if we continue to rely on already
tried and tested counterproductive strategies of
destructive criticism aimed at promoting one's
candidate while vigorously attempting to tarnish
that of another's. Some may argue that come on,
this is merely politics at play. I personally
consider such tactics as a smear campaign.
Anyone on the frontline of our national politics
conscientiously opposing the retrogessive
policies and actions of the unjust APRC regime
deserve nothing but support and encouragement
from everyone craving and campaigning for
positive changes in the Gambia. Ousainou Darboe,
Halifa Sallah, Femi Peters, Seedia Jatta, Mai
Fatty and many others like them therefore only
deserve our genuine respect and good advice. I
had concluded long time ago that under the
current poliitcal dispensation in in our beloved
country the easiest and most convenient resort
for any person seeking only their own personal
interest would be to join the APRC Party.
Our primary objective should be towards
ensuring that the leaderships of the UDP-led
Alliance and the remnants of NADD coalition
would both sooner rather later pursue a strategy
of meaningful co-operation with one another
towards achieving an over-due united front
against the incompetent and callous APRC regime.
That way, the doubters would have been
confounded and hope lost by the silent majority
of Gambians would be restored.
Let
confidence building measures between all sides
of the opposition be pursued in earnest from now
on as time is precious sliding away.
Please try to help get your dear uncle
bailed out after being found guilty and
sentenced yesterday for making a wrongful
attribution to our dear colleague, Halifa.
Coincidentally, the amount payable which is any,
should be envoyed to him in jail for the benefit
of good Gambian causes he has been diligently
campaigning for.
Finally I wish to
commend organisations such as the STGDP and GDP
who have been focussing on just that. Let us not
be daunted nor depair; ultimate victory is
assured for the cause of any struggle for
justice, freedom and respect for human
dignity.
Let us turn a new constructive
page. Let all good works go on.
Amen!
Uncle Haruna understands Halifa very well.
This is why he prefers to rely on the issue of
credibility and not the election statistics
which Halifa relied on to draw his conclusion.
My uncle is among those who say that politics is
about numbers. In fact the other camp rely on
this so much that they refer to some parties as
fringe parties. They know what Halifa is talking
about but like the proverbial ostrich they
prefer to bury their head in the sand.
You see, some of these people do not care
whether there is change or not. What they are
interested in is the change they want. If they
cannot get it they prefer to join Jammeh. They
should not fool the rest of us. Where is Waa who
used to criticize Halifa. He accepted the post
of a governor while Halifa rejected the post of
a Minister. This is the difference between him
and his critics. He wants genuine change for the
long suffering Gambian people.
Halifa has made it quite clear that the
lowest common multiple in politics is numbers
and concluded that the numbers which rejected
both opposition and ruling party are so
overwhelming that none could be considered
credible if that is the yardstick of measuring
credibility. He therefore concluded that those
who want change should go back to the drawing
board. He offered a proposal and called on
others with better proposals to offer their own.
Where is the bickering? All honest Gambians have
seen the light and cannot be deceived any more.
They know who is power hungry and those who want
to empower the people.
Haruna tendered "So here Evian you will
notice that my notes were in response to your
notes and I encourage you to read your notes
where you re-presented what Halifa said."
This is how I represented
Halifa's statement: "You seem to be in denial
but that is sadly the truth. The APRC is far
from credible and from the perspective of the
potential electorate, neither exists a more
credible alternative. Otherwise, the opposition
would have won last time."
Please note
that perspective does always represent
reality.
The truth isI did not
misrepresent Halifa; you did. Instead of
acknowledging your error, you are trying
to shift it elsewhere. That's absolute
dishonesty!
What
i will do Evian is to leave my comments close to
yours and Halifa's in order that the proximity
may yield further comprehension where cacophany
meddles.
Sheikh Haruna, The following is exactly
what Comrade Halifa was reported to have stated
(emphasis mine):
“Some
supporters of the APRC said that the opposition
parties in the Gambia are not credible. They
should also add that the ruling party is not
credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics
as it stands would then be correct and
balanced."
And this
is how you interpreted it:
"As to which party
official speaks for the other parties, Halifa
shared with us that there is no credible
opposition or ruling party. What he should have
said was that his party PDOIS was not credible.
Then he would have been speaking for himself
because he is more intimately aware of PDOIS'
credibility. i think he was echoing
Waa's assertions that there is no credible
opposition. The problem is instead of focusing
on his party's credibility, he attempted to
match Waa's cluelessness. In so doing he
admitted Waa may be
right."
So here Evian you will notice that my
notes were in response to your notes and I
encourage you to read your notes where you
re-presented what Halifa said. Then come back
here and read the entire quote as it appeared in
the Foroyaa note, undoctored by you. What you
will conclude is that even given your sophomoric
representation, my comment (Not interpretation)
here does capture the cluelessness of PDOISards
fantastically. You see the APRC supporters are
smart people compared to Halifa. They are not
interested in selling the demerits of the ruling
party because that is who they support. Now
Halifa advising them to ALSO say that there is
no CREDIBLE RULING PARTY, in addition to There
is no CREDIBLE OPPOSITION PARTY, and that they
will have been both CORRECT and BALANCED is
where he put his foot in his mouth. Implicitly,
Halifa agrees with their supposition that there
is no CREDIBLE opposition party as CORRECT.
Because there is more than PDOIS in the
opposition parties, Halifa is thereby speaking
for other parties. That is the reason I shared
the advice about when in court and accused of
theft, your defense ought not be that not only
are you a thief in agreement with your accuser,
your accuser is also a thief. The grander
picture Bailo is when you consider you are an
independent voter. And you hear Halifa utter
such. How does it make you feel about him and
his incredulous party PDOIS. Forget NADD at this
time for there is really nothing in NADD besides
PDOIS. Please let me know if this is still not
clear to you.
[So now let us focus on separating the
chaff from the grain: Halifa reported that "some
supporters of the APRC said that the opposition
parties in the Gambia are not credible."
This is factual. It is APRC supporters
like Waa Juwara as you conceded who are claiming
the above; it is not Halifa as you wrongly
asserted. Halifa is merely a messenger who
conveyed the message. What Halifa opined in
response is "They
should also add that the ruling party is not
credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics
as it stands would then be correct and
balanced."] Evian.
Inutile.
[I hope you would therefore accordingly
revise your interpretation of Halifa's statement
to reflect the reality of what he expressed.]
Evian.
I was not interpreting anything. I was
translating. And there is no further revision
necessary.
[You aso wrote: "I
would encourage you to read Halifa's quotation
again because I think you misunderstood it. Not
that it makes any significant difference whether
you understood it or not. It just throws your
analysis of that part off quilter a bit. That is
the bit about "Not excluding acceptance of
candidature". There Halifa is speaking of
himself and not the candidature of other. Share
with us your renewed understanding."] Evian
regurgitating what Haruna shared.
[As you
encouraged, I referred again to the relevant
statement of Halifa as follows (emphasis
mine): "Even though I am not
excluding acceptance of candidature, I
have already declared that the best option is to
select a neutral candidate who will be able to
run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a
period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after
a genuine multiparty contest. It is left to
Gambians to decide whether they have a better
way forward."] Evian repeating.
[My
understanding of the statement remains the same
even though I admit that Halifa did not qualify
whose candidature he meant.] Evian.
Halifa did not need to qualify whose
candidature he spoke of. The English is sound
and very good. If it were you or Mams I would
have asked for further clarification.
[He did not indicated either "my" or "any"
to give us precision of reference to
candidature.] Evian.
Bailo, the MY is implicit. That happens all
the time in conversations in English. Just for
fun, let us replace MY with ANY just
before candidature. That would not have been the
best sentence structure but it still tells you
Halifa is speaking of himself. This is
because MY is the ownership litmus
but ANY goes to the quality of the
candidature and not domain. Hey Allah, I hope
you understand me. So let's extend the semantic
game further; Let us say Halifa meant Ousainou,
OJ, Hamat, or Waa's candidature, and insert any
of these names just before candidature. Now you
will agree with me that Halifa does not have the
purview of accepting other's candidature. Do you
agree? If you don't just ask yourself where is
the authority for Halifa to ACCEPT a
dog-catcher's candidature????? He can ascend to
their candidatures when they accept accept it
themselves and the way he does that is by voting
his desire or ascension. These are some of the
games Shaky Shaky plays with English in order to
improve himself. Please let me know if you need
further ideas on these and others.
[In essence, he might have been referring
to his own candidature or someone else's.]
Evian.
Unless he is retarded, he could not have
been referring to any other's candidature.
[It is for him to help clarify.]
Evian.
I don't need Halifa to clarify and I am
certain most of our coleagues don't need any
further clarification of the statement. Let us
save Halifa the mental gymnastics where he could
try to manufacture extraneous meaning. That will
be a bigger problem for the man.
[Whatever he meant, I know that either
interpretations are possible.] Evian.
You do the tests and convince yourself
either way. It is easy. You can do it
Bailo.
[In conclusion, I think you have mistakenly
fallen for that proverbial saying of comparing
apples and oranges in the following statement of
yours: "Halifa endorsing Ousainou's candidature
will be equal to you or me endorsing Ousainou's
candidature or Halifa's candidature at this
point in time. There is not much basis for
that."] Evian repeating what Haruna
shared.
[In order words, you have
over-rated yourself and me at to be at par with
Halifa;] Evian.
No. I am not at par with Halifa. Just ask
him. We are of different mettle and polarly
opposite ambition.
[the latter is a political known and both
you and me are virtual political unknowns.]
Evian.
Well. Do you want to be a political known
Bailo????? I can make your arse famous in a
jiffy. You might not like what you become famous
for though. Political known. I have not heard
such cacamayme since Moussa Camara shared
Mbaranbirinbiring with me in 1982 in
Kuntaur.
[Therein lies the difference between us
Halifa's endorsement of any candidature.]
Evian.
I see.
[Cheers] Evian.
Cheers to you too. And don't try to be cute
with your Grand Pa again. If you know what is
good for you, you'll turn in your PDOIS
armband.
From:
Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> Subject:
Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE
APRC TOUR To: [log in to unmask] Date:
Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 0:41
Foroyaa News : HALIFA
SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR, NO CREDIBLE
RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY
FORWARD NEEDED
After the completion
of the APRC tour, Foroyaa approached Halifa
Sallah for comments. This is what he
said:
“Political leaders should
tell their supporters the truth. A political
vacuum exists in the Gambia. Some supporters of
the APRC said that the opposition parties in the
Gambia are not credible. They should also add
that the ruling party is not credible. Their
assessment of Gambian politics as it stands
would then be correct and balanced. Some leaders
who do not want to be honest to their supporters
are trying to give the impression that the
statistics I have been putting out are over
statements. They are not telling their
supporters the truth. Political leaders should
tell the truth. For only the truth shall set us
free. I have relied on empirical evidence to
conclude that at this very moment we do not have
a credible ruling party or opposition party. We
have a duty to create both. Those who are
offended by this statement are not prepared to
do what is necessary to save Gambian politics
from being an exercise in
mediocrity.
After the presidential
elections in 2006, I wrote a pamphlet in which I
quoted the statistics to confirm my assertion.
Gambians have to be reminded these statistics to
awaken each from our political apathy.
According to the IEC, 670, 336 voters
were registered prior to the 2006 presidential
elections. When the results were delivered the
IEC indicated that the APRC candidate who was
also supported by the NCP had 264,404 votes. If
this is subtracted from the total number of
registered voters it would mean that 405,932
voters did not vote for the APRC candidate. The
UDP candidate who was also supported by NRP and
GPDP had 104,808 votes, while the NADD candidate
had 23,473 votes. The total votes of the
opposition amounted to 128,281 votes. If this is
subtracted from the total number of registered
voters it would be apparent that 542,055 voters
did not vote for the opposition. Wherein lies
the credibility of the ruling party and the
opposition party if politics is reduced to its
lowest common denominator as contest based on
the number of votes.
Interestingly
enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242,302
votes when it forged no alliance with the NCP.
At that time there were 501,304 registered
voters. Suffice it to say, even though the
number of voters increased by 169032, by 2006
the votes of the APRC could only increase by
22,102 votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448
votes in 2001. Even though it developed alliance
with NRP, which had 35,671 votes in 2001, its
votes went down 104,808 votes in the 2006
elections, despite the increase in the number of
registered voters by 169032 voters.
Foroyaa: What is your
advise?
It is therefore necessary
for political leaders to go back to the drawing
board and map out a new way forward. How is the
opposition to attract the 542,055 voters who did
not vote for them is the subject at hand. This
is what Agenda 2011 is all about. Even though I
am not excluding acceptance of candidature, I
have already declared that the best option is to
select a neutral candidate who will be able to
run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a
period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after
a genuine multiparty contest. It is left to
Gambians to decide whether they have a better
way forward.
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