Exactly Haruna. Where self-interest get destructive is when few comsume what
belongs to many. When a Judge, Magistrate can sell a case for money, then
self-interest becomes damaging. Where bribery and corruption takes over. For
instance, many are today allowing themselves to be Yahya Ambassadors
(musicians/producers, Catholic Fathers, Imams, just people), knowing full
well the man is a criminal, an abuser, a gangster per-execllence, yet all
they see is the name it attract.
Remember, the good characters of Haruna defines you. May you live long
brother.
Suntou

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  In essence therefore Suntou, all mankind is self-interested.
> The idea of life in a community is to harness those self-interests for
> commoner relief and value.
>
> Let us encourage the germination of a seed of overwhelming self-interest
> because selflessness is so hard to come by. What I encourage you is to look
> from the far-side of self-interest. Consider that when you solve another's
> problem, you are accruing him/her, his/her own self-interest. So the trick
> would be to identify where marginal self-interest that is common may exist.
> I think you are with me so far.
>
> Example: If Bailo's self-interest is to gammy 5, don't worry about the
> character of the 5, and Suntou's self-interest is to gammy 2, then if Suntou
> and Bailo work on the right to gammy (n'importe combien ou quoi), voila,
> both your self-interests are solved. And you can both claim to be engaged in
> selfless demarche. And you will both be right. It doesn't mean you are not
> engaged in hallmark selfish enterprise, it just means you are able to accrue
> more value from that enterprise. And when you achieve that feat for all
> mankind, why you have just become human rights saints simply by yielding
> your self-interests. And the people will vote for you. Not that they were
> bamboozled into thinking you two are selfless, but that you were able to
> achieve value for their own self-interests while in pursuit of your
> self-interests. An achievement they may not be able to accrue. That is what
> separates good men from charlatans. Saints from minstrels. Idiots from the
> sober. The wheat from the chaff.
>
> Thanx for sharing. I advise temperance and a look from the far side.
> Haruna. Philosophers have wrestled with this exact topic of universal
> selfishness that you review.
>
>  In a message dated 2/28/2010 5:59:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Sunday, 28 February 2010
> A False Myraid: Continuation: Politicians are lairs, evil, etc says Yahya
> Jammeh<http://suntoumana.blogspot.com/2010/02/false-myraid-continuation-politicians.html>
> bolonba speaks
> The self-interest pursuant of human beings sometimes goes against
> conventional wisdom. People engage themselves in serious criminal activities
> just to satisfy personal goal fulfilments.
> Why should men transport contra-ban substances such as drugs through
> international borders knowing full well the repercussions lying ahead?
> People join the military, with full knowledge that they might be killed in
> war situations. The balancing act of men across time reveals that, we
> innately do things with our self-interest in mind at all times. Sometimes
> personal sacrifices get the wider exposure. (Some Gambians join foreign
> armies for resident papers and the pay not for freedom or democracy,
> gambling on serving unharmed until the end of service contract). Some
> Gambians are equally risking near death in Swiss and Austrain Jails,
> accusation of dangerous injection when caught with drugs, why?
>
> Why do people vote for political party A as against B?
> Why do politicians go on campaign trails, disseminating the party’s
> messages?
> Why do political parties make promises to electorates and claim that, they
> will do more for the people than rivals?
> The answers aren’t that complex to underpin, however elements of partisan
> prejudice will continue playing a part in complex political narratives.
> Politicians aren’t saints, they hope and wish, just like we all do. The
> promises that all politicians advance is a way to capture the
> individualistic/collective self-interest of voters.
>
> In short appealing to our expectations (good roads, health care, schools,
> jobs etc). Obama’s one word slogans bear testimony to this fact: Hope!
> Change! Hope for what? And Change for who?
>
> The careers of scores of British politicians went in smoke due to claiming
> expenses more than legally allowed. This are MP’s who work hard for their
> electorates, yet the self-interest aspect overpowered them.
> Both former Prime Minister Blair and President Bush are enjoying lucrative
> lecture and private invitation due to the name they attain as politicians.
> Why should men be willing to die for others? Is your live less valuable
> than others? Soldiers are told to obey orders even if it meant shooting a
> human being. Why should people leave their faith in the hand of another?
> For those of us who believe in God and a day of reckoning, killing a person
> unjustly is a sin which cannot be forgiven.
> Dictators don’t go out and about killing people. They recruit ordinary men
> and women to do the evil act for them. They employ killers; these killers
> are protected by a sophisticated machinery of civil servants. Sometimes
> people help dictators without realising it. Many good men/women are helping
> Yahya Jammeh for instance by covering up for him, brushing up his image,
> diplomatically working hard to make him look good. Why? Self-interest.
>
> However, the Islamic standpoint is that, not everyone who dies in the cause
> of good is a martyr. People can die for far complex reason other than for
> God. Hence we cannot just ordinarily know the real reason people do the
> things they do. Some of our predicaments are by accidents, unexpected.
> The politician in question should be patient and avoid trying mind control
> Gambians. Some may have allowed themselves to be captivated, giving up their
> minds unquestionably, that is not the norm, it is a misnorma.
> Therefore, let him put to rest the talk of sacrificing for the people. The
> people should be the judge of that. Self-serving politics is unattractive
> and self-defeating. Condecending at best!!!!
> “Hide your good deeds like you hide your bad deeds” (Abu Uwais) then only
> God will reward you. However politics is a profession were such is not the
> case. Everything must be put under the media glares.
> Yahya Jammeh came upon us with the claims that politicians are lairs, dogs,
> evil etc. Yet he is the biggest of them today. His self-interest pursuing
> has resulted in him curtailing the rights and freedom of Gambians. He has
> created a nasty entity of the NIA, Green boys and made the civil service his
> personal slave enterprise.
> Gambians are willing to kill for him, torture for him, fabricate evidence
> for him, harass for him, spy for him, lie, blindly follow him and many other
> filthy human characteristic are done for Yahya Jammeh, why? Some now even
> looks at him like a God. People wish to enhance their self-interest through
> Yahya’s favours.
> Gambians who decline to get involve in attacking and exposing Yahya in the
> open are equally guarding their self-interest. Think about strolling round
> Bakau beach, taking pictures of Westfield, Kairaba Avenue. Visiting the hot
> spots and enjoying the delicious local foods. Why should you spoil that for
> anyone?
> Yahya has destroyed his legacy and sadly maybe his relationship with his
> maker. No amount of charity absolves a tyrant. It is because of the quest to
> see freedom and prosperity in our country people risk their privileges in
> exposing Yahya. However, at the bottom it all, it is our self-interest to
> see a free and better Gambia for all. And for that we are willing to die, a
> noble cause by all standards.
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