Whatever Evian. Better enjoy your peace while you can. Are you in Nzerekore
yet?? Next time we're not sending you on a fact-finding mission. You take
too friggin long.
Haruna.
In a message dated 3/3/2010 7:25:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
What is the saying again? When dry bones are mentioned in a proverb, old
folks become...........
I am too peaceful, please stop trying to pick up.........
Bailo
--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The first recorded Lesbian marriage in Mangambougou, Mali. I
say happy gammy!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 3:43
Bailo, I think I will leave this one to JDAM for I think there are
enormous teachable moments here which are best left to JDAM. Your sideswipes on me
will me forgiven temporarily. But you know you can count on me to wake
your lil behind up after you get through with JDAM. And if JDAM takes too
long (Like I know he likes to do sometimes just to forestall war) I'm comin'
in. If there's one thing you know by now, it is that you do not have to
address Haruna by name at Ellen for him to go bunkers on you. Later Gaddamit.
Haruna.
Tue. 3/2/10. from Bailo Jallow. Re: The first recorded history of lesbian
marriage in Mangambougou.
LJD,
Your usual gentlemanly approach of discussing issues of interest to you is
inspiring.
Before answering the question that you posed me, I would like to state
that my position on homosexuality is foremost guided by my religious and
cultural convictions as a Moslem. As such, I believe that homosexuality is an
abomination to be shunned and not to be encouraged. However, I also believe
that the type of sexual activities that consenting adults engage in within
the confines of their bedrooms or private domains should not fall within
the purview of any person or authority. What ought to concern someone else is
what is practiced or displayed in the public arena.
I am please to have similar sentiments on this issue with hundreds of
millions of peoples (Jews, Christians, Bahaians, Hindus, Rastafarians,
Atheists, etc) from all over the world.
Now regarding your question, I would firmly discourage any local or
external attempt towards influencing Gambian laws to have homosexuality or
same-sex marriage recognised as perfectly legal. I do not however think that
anyone found guilty of such a vice should be ‘beheaded’. Re-orientation in a
correctional facility might be the best solution.
In conclusion, I do not support the legalisation of same sex marriages or
homosexuality from a moral, cultural and natural perspective.
Cheers
Bailo
-----Original Message-----
From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sun, Feb 28, 2010 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: The first recorded Lesbian marriage in Mangambougou, Mali. I
say happy gammy!
Bailo
Assuming your position is accepted, what manner of conversation would you
recommend between The Republic of The Gambia, and its homosexual community?
I am proceeding on the basis that like in the Malian example, some members
of homosexual Gambia may insist on living with their significant others in
a marriage, or in relationships akin to a marriage.
Is your concern, and, or rejection of homosexuality restricted to moral
condemnation, or do you consider it proper for the law to punitively
intervene?
LJDarbo
--- On Sun, 28/2/10, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]
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From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask]) >
Subject: Re: The first recorded Lesbian marriage in Mangambougou, Mali. I
say happy gammy!
To: [log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask])
Date: Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 16:53
Haruna,
We cannot avoid discussing the global context under which the Lesbian
union in Mali took place. Since our World is categorised in terms of
Westerners, Easterners, Southerners and Northerners, then what is the classification
of those countries that are spearheading the promotion of homesexuality as
universal human value/rights?
All I am saying based on real life experiences is that the Africans in
particular should not accept the imposition of such vices such as
homosexuality upon us as human rights values.
Bailo
--- On Sat, 27/2/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask]) >
Subject: Re: The first recorded Lesbian marriage in Mangambougou, Mali. I
say happy gammy!
To: [log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask])
Date: Saturday, 27 February, 2010, 2:57
Okho Bailo! Why are you bringing western countries into this? I agree with
your sentiment as far as decadence but it is about time we place blame or
glory where it belongs. Only Mangambougou community and Mali are involved
in this. Let us speak about the rights or decadence of the two individuals
within the context of their community. No western country encouraged or
discouraged this one Bailo. You were on the roll for a minute and I was with
you. The problem is when we Africans commute our problems and blames on
other, we will never be inspired to solve them or at least harness them for
any extraneous value.
Okho. You had me going for a while. Like the energizer bunny. Until I saw
western. Human Rights is not the domain of western countries again. You
will come to realize all men are the same and have similar desires,
particularly carnal and romantic. The reason why we haven't entertained as much
decadence as you see in the west is simply because we have other more mundane
considerations for now...like breakfast, lunch, dinner, hesal, firewood,
Ramadan, Lailatul Qadri, etcetera. Wait till we don't have those worries
anymore. You'll see decadence like you've never seen before. Ghana and Mali
will be our test site for west africa
I feel for Oko. The one man army. Haruna.
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From: bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask]) >
To: [log in to unmask]
(mip:[log in to unmask])
Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: The first recorded Lesbian marriage in Mangambougou, Mali. I
say happy gammy!
Most Western countries have laws banning polygamy yet these same
governments lead in condemning other countries that legislate against pervasions
such as homosexuality. Talking about spreading moral decadence in the
world in the guise of human rights!
Bailo
--- On Fri, 26/2/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The first recorded Lesbian marriage in Mangambougou, Mali. I say
happy gammy!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 26 February, 2010, 3:45
Culled from AFRIBONE-CN / The AURORA newspaper. Haruna. You know what
comes next don't you? These are some of the growing pains of democracy. But
total commitment to democracy requires you let folk be as long as they do not
infringe on the rights of their fellows. I am sad however. But I will
accept it because they have the right. I'd rather they do it out in the open
than have to hide their consciences.
Mariage homosexuel à la mairie de Magnambougou
Deux femmes officiellement unies pour le meilleur et le pire
Ce que les gardiens du temple redoutaient le plus est déjà arrivé au Mali
: L’union des homosexuel(le)s. Quand bien même les textes aujourd’hui en
vigueur dans notre pays interdisent la pratique, ce couple a trouvé la
parade infaillible en célébrant son union par le centre d’État Civil de
Magnamboubou.
Le mariage homosexuel par définition, est une union célébrée entre deux
personnes (homme et femme) ayant la même tendance sexuelle. Il s’agit, en
clair, de l’union d’un homme d’avec une femme (et non de deux hommes ou de
deux femmes eux ou elles) ayant les mêmes penchants sexuels.
La nuance est de taille. Mais aujourd’hui, force est d’admettre que le
concept a profondément évolué. Dans l’imaginaire populaire, un mariage homo
concerne deux personnes de même sexe. C’est le cas à l’ordre du jour ici.
L’une se fait appeler « B » et l’autre « F.C ». Selon toute évidence, c’
est « F.C » qui joue le rôle d’époux. Elle réside en Suède, pays de
tolérance sexuelle par excellence. Quant à « B », elle vit dans la capitale
malienne à Magnambougou, dans une villa que lui a généreusement offerte son «
mari » depuis la Suède.
Cette dernière, « F.C », ne lésine pas sur les moyens. Elle est très riche
et a entrepris de faire expatrier son « épouse ».
Le couple s’est connu à travers Internet, sur un site de rencontres.
Depuis, elles n’ont jamais arrêté de se fréquenter. C’est F.C qui effectue
régulièrement le déplacement sur Bamako. Sur place, elle partage la même villa
et la même chambre que « B ». Un secret de polichinelle pour les voisins
du quartier Magnambougou !
Mais comment pareille union a pu être célébrée dans un pays où la pratique
est prohibée et, de surcroit, par une autorité légitime, à savoir le
maire du quartier ?
C’est au mois de d’Octobre-Novembre que le drôle mariage a été consacré,
non au centre d’État civil, mais à domicile. De source bien au fait de l’
histoire, un homme a pris la place de « F.C » et les papiers d’identité
des deux époux ont été délibérément falsifiés. Le choix du domicile avait
pour but de limiter la présence des curieux.
Dans la législation malienne, rien n’interdit la consécration d’une union
civile à domicile par un officier d’État civil. La pratique se trouve
cependant en porte-à-faux avec le principe de la publicité du mariage lequel
constitue un acte public par excellence.
En somme, le domicile est une propriété privée dont l’accès peut être
limité alors que le mariage reste un acte public ouvert à tous. En célébrant
donc une union à domicile, les époux peuvent restreindre l’accès de cette
cérémonie à caractère public. La stratégie s’est avérée payante pour « B »
et « F.C ». Seul(es) les intimes, et quel(les) intimes, ont pu accéder ce
jour, à l’autel.
Le maire dont la bonne foi n’est pas en cause, en tout cas, jusqu’à la
preuve du contraire, a tout simplement usé d’une prérogative et a cautionné
le fait.
Aujourd’hui, l’épouse « B », sur incitation de son « mari » FC cherche à
s’expatrier en Suède où la pratique des unions libres est reconnue. Au
Mali, elle n’a aucune valeur juridique puisque le code du mariage précise
bien que l’union est célébrée entre homme et femme.
Un concept qui, malheureusement, connaît aujourd’hui ses limites dans la
mesure où la science parvient dorénavant à faire changer le sexe biologique
d’une personne.
En somme, une femme peut désormais s’octroyer les caractères secondaires
mâles et un homme de même par rapport aux attributs femelles. Toute chose
qui met à défaut le principe malien selon lequel le mariage n’est célébré qu
’entre homme et femme… « De naissance » n’aurait pas été de trop… Et si l
’on revoyait sérieusement ce fameux code du mariage, sans passion, s’il
vous plaît !
B.S. Diarra
L’Aurore du 25 Février 2010.
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