Haruiner/Suntou,

Haruine rI choose what to call you, not you, get that.  Since you chose to
call folk anything  thatr visit you in your hallucination,  why are you
telling me not call you what i choose.  Get pissed all you want, do i care i
think not.

And talking about my use of the English language, yes i admit i am not good
at it but maybe first teach your entourage especially your side kick, Suntou
Moofuring who moonlights as a columnist to learn his grammer and sentence
structuring before he spew anything from his orifice.

The two sissies Haruiner and Suntou Moofurin, i don't who is who, so you
fretting about me hating you.  What silliness? Oh i see  it is *'about my
delinquencies and inadequacies i guess.'* Just shitty piffle. I am giving
you your own medicine.   You have been running your shitty mouths at anyone
here who differs from your the fetid opinions you keep spewing as some
learned analysis.

Haruiner, your  misogynism is apparent, so what  if i were a woman.  Are
women less than men?  amI happy to be called a woman or even in between.

Suntou Moofuring, so you are with times because you read stuff from the net.
I know you've no idea to differentiate things but i tell you this people
have choices.  Most people still enjoy reading from books, magazines,
periodicals etc the traditional way.  Get that Mr Fool pretender BUDDING
political analyst.

Well, Haruiner if your side kick is nice with me, what is stopping you from
being nasty with me.   As i said to you before, *i do not seek, crave or
need  your friendship, encouragement, cheer or love.  Take them where they
are needed or asked for.  I do not need or seek anyones anywhere
else approval here or anyone to be me.  And that goes to friends or family.*

And why can't you guys stop lying about anyone trying to dictate to the flea
infested brain of Suntou Mama what to do with his political affiliation with
the UDP.  I only refer to the UDP because since he thinks people like me
have been domicile in the West for years without going home, i just thought
since he so politically savvy and with many qualifications as well as being
endowed with seeing things no ordinary folk sees, just perhaps the UDP will
be better served on the ground. Moreover with his project of exposing Halifa
Sallah and PDOIS why are you Sountou Moofuring wasting in the West
Midlands.
Bring it on!  Call your back ups.  I see you are throwing around names.  You
have not seen anything yet from this *unwell and tormented soul.*

Mboge
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Suntou who is this gentlewoman you keep sharing with us??? Gentle has left
> Olfactor years ago. He is now crouchingtiger. Oh BTW Tiger will be back for
> the Masters at Augusta National. i so look forward to that. I have been
> practicing my putting over the year and my coach Tiger will help improve
> that some more. Suntou you're too nice to Olfactor. Might you now be an
> Elizabethan like my friend Hamjatta???? Where's that cat anyway? How's he
> doing???
> T
>
> Haruna.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>  Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16 am
> Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR
> FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
>
>
> Haruna, your sense of humour has lighten up this place. I could not stop
> laughing aloud. It is good for our soul. I will be requesting old copies of
> the economist magazine from the gentleman, I will cancel my own
> subscription.
> Haruna, in this day and age, when both academic materials and proper
> journals can be securely access online, when books are now in portable
> computerise (digital form), i wonder why the gentleman is keen to let us
> know that he receives the hard copy of the economist? I wonder. Talk about
> refusing to march ahead with time.
> Good news for the Gunners: JAY-Z want to invest in the club, Spike Lee is
> our big fan as well.
>
> Haruna, I also commend your analysis of the actual case in question,
> Justice Njie. As you opined, they knew full well Yahya will never allow them
> to do their jobs independently, yet they agree to take the positions, hence
> she should face the music.
> The accusations are that of financial misappropriate. I also learnt that,
> the Nigerians has taken over our legal profession, thanks to the sack
> Justice Secretary.
> The gentleman's anger is as a result months of disheartening comments he
> couldn't bear coming from my end. He has already made up his mind to insult
> me, emptying his heart's delight on me. I am happy that, he is relieve of
> his burden.
>  Why get inflamed over Rwanda whilst our stakes are the Gambia. And why be
> bothered about what I do with my party of choice? It is fascinating.
> It is reported that, Kegame's own government has in it genocidal maniacs
> who still boast about their Tutsiness, let him clean up those sick folks
> before branding others 'divisionist'. Room for improvement.
> The gentleman's quest to get personal is understandable. if it helps him
> have a good enough sleep, it is fine by me. Say all you like against Suntou,
> i am sure your friends will tap your shoulder for it, as for me, i will
> enjoy my green tea and think of another subject. My old advise is that, stop
> being rude, calm down and remember that, people will be disappointed
> in you for using foul language.
> Suntou
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Ok Olfactor. So you say Suntou changed the topic first. And you went right
> along with the changed topic. You see what I mean about you needing help
> Olfactor?
>
> I'm just kidding men. Let's chuck this one to a comedy of errors Olfactor.
> I promise I got loads of other more significant stuff for you. Please. I
> don't know why you're always on edge. I thought that was Giuseppe, but I
> swear you're worse than my friend Giuseppe. But for his unnecessary disdain
> for Hon. Hamat, theguy is a wonderful fellow. "If you want to hide from
> Hamat go to Gambia". Men you guys are experts at low blows. Even Evian can't
> top that. What?????
>
> WHy are you bringing Giuseppe into this discussion. I thought he were your
> friend????? Olfactor you really need help.
> Haruna.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 9:21 pm
> Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR
> FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
>
>
> Haruiner,
>
> Low blows will not do!  Varify yours first.  Didn't your side kick bring in
> Kagame into the discussion.
>
> Mboge
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Ehhh Olfactor,
>
> I am not your companion. Don't tell me someone changed our discussion when
> you were the veritable detractor. And don't tell me you're a man of your own
> when we are trying to discern if you're a man first. I am not your
> companion. And are you a Pan-African???
>
> Haruna.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR
> FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
>
>
> Haruiner,
>
> As usual, you've woken up and dittoing has began.  Your stupid friend
> moonlighting as the political analyst changed a strictly legal discussion to
> comparing apples and oranges.  There is nothing comparable between Kagame
> and a rogue like Jammeh.
>
> Tell me about what jungle justice i am running away and what havoc did i
> participate in to warrant my coming to live in the west.  Persona
> delinquencies and inadequacies, what load of BS
> I am a man of my own and I am not seeking yours or anyones approval
> for anything.  Talk of trashy and nonesensical self-delusional importance.
>
> Mboge
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Suntou,
>
> Thank you for your common sense. The problem with some of these folk is
> that they participated in the wrecking of Africa before they fled jungle
> justice or they had buyer's remorse once they settled in their new western
> homes. And they blame their personal delinquencies and inadequacies on the
> west. I say they brush their teeth before they speak to me about Africa or
> Africans. How you change a conversation about law and jurisprudence to a
> defense of kagame is beyond me. kagame's person or character was not in
> question......however you feel about the man. Extradition requests are
> between Judicial branches and nations. Not between Presidents or other
> idiots.
>
> Thank you again for your marked sobrieties Suntou.
>
> Haruna.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:17 am
> Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT
> FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
>
>
>
> The gentle man who wishes to make some us look like uncaring Africans,
> hence not qualify in advocating anything African should take a good at
> himself and his place of domicile. Many a times we read and hear our
> Pan-Africanist brothers resident in Europe and America for decades lecturing
> us about Euro-American this and that on Africans.. How self-serving these
> brothers are.
>
> If you wish to take the moral high ground on Africa, then do the decent
> thing and parachute to the West, East, South or Central Africa, then try
> screaming from the rooftop there, hopefully people will pay attention to the
> nonsensical out pouring of cheap emotion. Some of this So call
> Pan-Africanist hardly ever venture into Africa, yet they feel singing
> Pan-Africa enough in making words relevant, give us a break.
> The economist Magazine has nothing to lose or gain in the articles some of
> its commentators write about Africa. Can we for once see things in their
> right context instead fancying around hanging onto our own baggage of
> partisan politics. If anyone is educated in the west, you must without a
> question read books, be lectured by western professors and enjoy the western
> way of live. What moral ground do you have to see others as less of an
> African than you are? Below is the Economist Magazine's article on Kegame
> and Rwanda. In fact the article acknowledge the level of financial
> discipline the government of Kegame is instituting, yet the other facts
> cannot be left unspoken about because one is doing something’s right and
> other major wrongs. We should delineate cheap emotion from serious issues
>
>
>
> http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15622375
>
>
> Progress and repression in Rwanda
> Divisionists beware
> President Paul Kagame has improved people’s lives at the expense of freedom
> Mar 4th 2010 | NAIROBI | From The Economist print edition
> Kagame, progressive and repressive
> THE government of Rwanda is doing a lot of things right. It is pretty open
> in its handling of aid money. Most foreign governments and charities are so
> impressed by its detailed plans and apparent lack of corruption that they
> are funnelling more of their aid directly through Rwanda’s government.
> President Paul Kagame says he expects direct budget support to rise by a
> quarter this year, to $519m.
> The country has recovered valiantly from its year zero in 1994, when
> 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered. Its centralised state is
> leading the way in economic and technological reform in the region. It is
> improving the country’s infrastructure, education and farming, and seeks to
> preserve its ecology. It pushes equality for women, who comprise half the
> government and parliament.
> On the diplomatic front, Mr Kagame has been equally successful. He has sent
> troops to help keep the peace in Sudan’s Darfur province and elsewhere. He
> has stood up to mighty France, blaming it, as the region’s then most
> influential Western power, for failing to prevent the genocide. And last
> month the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, came to Rwanda and offered
> something close to an apology. France, he said, had committed “grave errors
> of judgment” before, during, and after the genocide. Questions linger about
> the role of French special forces during the killing, as well as the fate of
> Hutus living in France whom Rwanda wants extradited on suspicion of
> involvement in the genocide.
> France, for its part, has not dropped charges against some members of Mr
> Kagame’s government who are alleged to have ordered the shooting down of a
> French aircraft carrying Rwanda’s then president, Juvénal Habyarimana, a
> Hutu; that action triggered the genocide. Yet both countries now appear more
> at ease with each other. Days after Mr Sarkozy’s visit, Mr Habyarimana’s
> widow, Agathe, was arrested near Paris (and then freed on bail) for
> questioning over her alleged role in the genocide. French businessmen came
> in Mr Sarkozy’s slipstream, eyeing minerals and timber in neighbouring
> Congo, for which Rwanda is a conduit. “There is no doubt this is a
> reconciliation,” says a Rwandan government figure.
> Yet awkward question-marks hang over Mr Kagame and his ruling Rwandan
> Patriotic Front. The president’s detractors say his party has not owned up
> to killing thousands of civilians immediately after the genocide or to
> responsibility for causing much bloodshed in Congo, which it invaded in
> order to hunt down the génocidaires who had fled there. The Congolese
> government, it may be noted, has co-operated with the Rwandans in their more
> recent incursions into Congo.
> Mr Kagame and his government are stifling political and press freedom in
> advance of a presidential election due in August. He is almost certain to
> win but evidently he is determined to secure a big majority to implement his
> “one Rwanda” policies. Opposition parties have been forbidden to “use words
> or facts that defame other politicians”. In practice, the government can
> label any criticism against it as “divisionism”, which entitles it to lock
> up the offenders. Members of the opposition say they are spied on and
> bullied.
> It is unclear whether the government will let the Democratic Green Party, a
> feisty new opposition group, be registered. If not, the Greens say they will
> back another lot, the Socialist Party-Imberakuri, which should be able to
> run a presidential candidate. The head of a third opposition party, the
> United Democratic Forces-Inkingi, Victoire Ingabire, says she has been
> vilified since returning from exile in January. The government, she says,
> has encouraged people to assault her, accusing her of being a génocidaire.
> This week a former military intelligence chief, Kayumba Nyamwasa, who was
> reported to have joined the Greens, fled Rwanda and is said to be claiming
> asylum in South Africa. The government says he is wanted on criminal
> charges—presumably divisionism.
> End.
> Going back to our own dictators corridors, What is it that his supporter
> are fuming against us about? They are saying, the man is a dictator of
> development and that he is fighting against corruption. He has given women
> more power and rights. His Vice-President is a woman. At some point in his
> government, there were more women in his government as Ministers than the
> previous administration. All that the gentleman is promoting Kegame for,
> Yahya Jammeh was once hail with those same things.
> Should there be any reason for the cubing of civil rights and plurality of
> views?
> Is Kegame himself innocent of pumping tribal issues in politics? In fact,
> Kegame's men in the army including the high ranking female officer play the
> card more than many others. Check their own Google images Mr Gentleman. I
> have seen images of the Rwandan army's latest incursion of Congo, the
> close senior officers bragging about their prejudicial influences. These
> things aren’t as simple as the gentleman is making it out to be.
> Nothing should compromise tolerant co-existence, and the opposition views
> is a key part to ensuring the population is represented at all levels.
> Kegame's propaganda alone shouldn't be listened to at the expense of others.
> He should be commended for lots of things, but he also needs to understand
> that framing words against his opponent is not healthy for the future
> stability of the country. Some of us are less of a Pan-African, however, we
> know the working of a genuine democracy. Advocates of Europeanism live in
> Europe. let our Pan-African folks migrate to Africa, instead of crying wolf
> in western towns and cities.
> Let not your bias of folks make you blind to their views. Stop been haste
> over public issues. Take a deep breath and read the material before jumping
> to conclusion.
> LJ, thanks for your sober and intelligent analysis always. Long may we have
> many non-partisan like you. Speaking the facts regardless of who it come
> from. Saddly, folks here seems to look at names, party afilliation, some
> ignoble little gangs before saying anything   tangible.      You have shown
> to be above such petty mantra.
> Suntou
>
> Suntou
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mboge
>
> You are absolutely right that "Four men accused of taking part in the 1994
> Rwandan genocide win their High Court battle against extradition" was
> "strictly premised on the significance of the Legal precedence it sets for
> 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping persecution". Specifically, I was
> thinking about Justice Safiatou Njie (Justice Njie) and whether The Gambia
> Government is likely to succeed in having her extradited by the UK.
>
> Although her alleged crimes are not political, the whole mechanism of
> Gambian justice is heavily entangled in political calculations. She is not
> likely to get a fair trial, and as a requirement of Article 6 of the
> European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR), now statutorily incorporated
> into UK law by the Human Rights Act 1998 (HRA 1998), her chance of eluding
> extradition is looking good.
>
> Even as the Rwandan decision is a brilliant exemplification of the rule of
> law, I have to agree with you that the High Court decision was a difficult
> one on moral grounds. I am unsure why Rwanda did not seek their extradition
> for onward delivery to the International Criminal Tribunal Rwanda (ICTR),
> based in the Tanzanian city of Arusha.
>
> For Rwanda, it should not matter where these alleged criminals are
> prosecuted. The evidence is suggestive of some involvement by all four in
> the '94 genocide. In that case, common sense would dictate that they be
> prosecuted for their alleged crimes, and where found legally culpable,
> adequately punished.
>
> Undoubtedly, the political arm of government was keen to have them
> extradited, but the Judiciary blocked that wish on the explicit command of
> both European, and UK law.
> Stated differently, the High Court probably hated the outcome, but there
> was a clear obligation to implement the law as it is. You are right that
> under other circumstances, these laws can work quite well for "genuine
> asylum seekers". This particular decision was nevertheless quite agonising.
>
> As to Kagame, I defer to your expertise on the man, and his vision. What he
> must do, and this sooner than he may prefer, is to create an environment
> that allows his vision to incrementally mature even as he himself no longer
> leads Rwanda. No one person can fully develop a country,  and in my view,
> this means that every African leader, and, or, ruler, must come to terms
> with his/her own mortality. Only then will a mighty continent actualise its
> great potential by making use of the major part of the talent at its
> disposal.
>
> Many thanks for a fine response, and advocacy.
>
> Do you think the Gambia's extradition request regarding Justice Njie should
> succeed?
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
> LJDarbo
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 21/3/10, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT
> FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 17:38
>
>
>
>
> LJD,
>
> I guess your sharing the judgement on the Rwandans by the High Court of the
> UK was strictly premised on the significance of the Legal precedence it sets
> for 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping persecution. I hope it is not
> presumptuous of me that you had in mind the Gambian female judicial employee
> currently in the UK apparently running away from Gambian justice a la Jammeh
> when you shared the ruling.   I assume that it is no rocket science that
> this ruling will provide protection for the corrupt criminals, genocidaires
> and their apologists from being brought to justice where it matters ie where
> their alleged crimes were committed.
>
> It seems the so-called High Court Judges are more concerned with the human
> rights of  vile genocidaires than those genuine asylum seekers whose fear of
> being killed and tortured in their homeland is consistently ignored and
> questioned  and in some instances ridiculed by Western media pandering to
> the right-wing politics of the "other" coming to take our jobs and
> scrounging on our generous welfare systems.  Im no lawyer but i hope this
> ruling also can be useful to genuine asylum seekers.
>
>
> Reading a response to the article you shared by our
> "descerner extraordinaire on this forum" comparing our criminal outfit
> headed by a deranged buffoon in the person of SHEPAD Jammeh gave me zits as
> well as being squirmish for a while.
>
> The realities of Gambia and Rwanda are markedly different.   Kagame and
> Jammeh are poles apart.  Kagame is a smart and  patriotic leader, a
> visionary engaged in healing a traumatized people, one fighting a good fight
> in ushering in a new nation based on functioning institutions. The howling
> on this divisionism by the Economist is in my view an irrelevant unworthy
> distraction. Kagame should take no advise or lecturing from a
> rabidly anti-African magazine that once ran a feature cover story by Richard
> Dowden on Africa: The Hopeless Continent.  It may be true that many an
> African country is marred by hunger, conflict and strife yet i have no doubt
> that if anything the African peoples are mostly hopeful and optimistic
>  about the future.  This may be sometimes wrongly attributed to fatalism.
>
>  Of course there still remains a lot to be done in terms of democracy and
> human rights in Rwanda but one must acknowledge the giant strides already
> achieved in relation to these ideals.  It is work in progress that is being
> managed very well under extremely difficult circumstances.  Rwanda under
> Kagame boast one of the most enlightened gender equality legislatures in the
> world.  And this goes beyond just symbolic balancing of the sexes in terms
> of representation (given that 33% of the Rwandan Parliament is female)  in
> politics. Women compete and participate in all sectors of Rwanda society.
> There is evidence of substantive and particapatory democracy in everyday
> life of the ordinary Rwandan. The economy in Rwanda is booming, civil
> society is being built and their advocacy left, right and centre permeates
> in and at all levels of society. Under Kagame's Rwanda a state by all
> standards that failed, has emerged way ahead of many African countries in
> terms of health care access to its denizens.  There is national health
> insurance for virtually all Rwandans.  With Rwanda now on the right path to
> development and substantive participatory democracy i join the hoard of
> admirers wishing the Kagame juggernaut to keep steaming ahead.  I do also
> hope that the juggernaut also destroys and annihilate all the negative
> forces trying to block it especially those coated in ethnicity.  Ethnicity
> is important but not to the detriment of building a prosperous Rwandan
> nation that concerns herself with providing peace, prosperity and progress
> to its people.
>
> There exists a genuine concern by those trying to deny the horrid genocide
> that took place in 1994. Politicians such as Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza
> trying to play on ethnic sentiments must be reigned in.  This does not mean
> that people should be denied the right to associate with the ethnic skirt
> they want to wear as long as it is not to villify or create schisms between
> and among their brethren and sisters.  Afterall the Tutsi and Hutu are from
> the same family of Bantu-speaking peoples.  But if not for a sad historical
> constructionism perpetrated by colonialists based on banal concepts such as
> the Hamitic Hypothesis , the Tutsi-Hutu dichotomous relationship might have
> been avoided.  I shall not suffer the esteem lot of this forum on
> the nitty-gritty of this racist hypothesis which helped in the pogroms of
> the Tutusis in 1959 and the genocide of 1994.
>
>
>  We have seen the shenanigans of France and some other northern governments
> trying to stifle the progress and development of Rwanda since the RPF came
> into power.  I will have Kagame any day as my leader compared to the rogues
> we have splattered across our wounded continent irresponsibly abusing the
> noble ideals of democracy and human rights.
>
> Best,
>
> Mboge
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> LJ, reading the economies Magazine edition of last week, i can see similar
> tactics in the arena of suppression of opposition views in Rwanda to that
> our own mad man. Kegame's government invented a dangerous term
> 'divisionist'. This term is label against opponents of the government with
> the country's sad past. The genocidal past was trigger by tribal sentiment,
> hence the divisionist concept.
> It is interesting how our guys invent this sinister strategies to suppress
> alternative views. Key members of the opposition are regularly accused of
> being guilty of genocide, a tack one is unable to free himself from.
> Suntou
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 19/3/10, LJD <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: LJD <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 0:08
>
>
> LJD saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
> should see it.
>
>
>
> ** Rwanda accused win UK court case **
> Four men accused of taking part in the 1994 Rwandan genocide win their High
> Court battle against extradition
> < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7989534.stm >
>
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