[The two sissies Haruiner and Suntou Moofurin, i don't who is who, so you
fretting about me hating you. What silliness? Oh i
see it is 'about my delinquencies and inadequacies i guess.' Just
shitty piffle.] Olfactor.
You're not making sense here Olfactor. Haven't you forgotten a word or
two?
HarunaMos don't take medicine. That's what I got in a fight with my doctor
about. I ended up convincing her not to take medicine herself. She thought
I was crazy.
[You have been running your shitty mouths at anyone here who
differs from your the fetid opinions you keep spewing as some
learned analysis.] Olfactor.
I only demand that you use correct English when you speak with me Olfactor.
Is that too much to ask?? What is "from your the fetid opinions"?
So what if you are a woman? Acknowledging that is the first step.
NO. For the simple fact that she is called Woman means she is more than a
man. Whaddoyou think Olfactor?
[amI happy to be called a woman or even in between.]
Olfactor.
Yes. People have a choice to kill themselves too. Folk like you should not
be given free health care Olfactor.
[Most people still enjoy reading from books, magazines, periodicals etc the
traditional way.] Olfactor.
Yeah but what is your reason for being one of those people? That is
the question Olfactor. Is it Nirvana?
[Get that Mr Fool pretender BUDDING political analyst.] Olfactor.
This is uncalled for Olfactor. Why do you work yourself up just to hate?
What do you intend to accomplish by being rude just because you have always been
rude but have suppressed it against your good health?
Nothing that I can see. I just choose to be nice to you Olfactor. People
have choices you know.
[As i said to you before, i do not seek, crave or need your
friendship, encouragement, cheer or love. Take them where they are needed
or asked for. I do not need or seek anyones anywhere
else approval here or anyone to be me. And that goes to
friends
or family.] Olfactor.
I am the purveyor of friendship, encouragement, cheer, or love just like
you are the purveyor of names. You know what that means don't you Olfactor? What
have your friends and family done to you Olfactor? I know deep down you love me
Olfactor. You just don't know it yet. I intend to yield you revelations like
you've never had them before. Do you dream Olfactor?
[And why can't you
guys stop lying about anyone trying to dictate to the flea infested brain of
Suntou Mama what to do with his political affiliation with the UDP.]
Olfactor.
Not anyone. Someone.
flea-infested.
Suntoumana.
[I only refer to the UDP because since he thinks people like me have been
domicile in the West for years without going home, i just thought
since he so politically savvy and with many qualifications as well as being
endowed with seeing things no ordinary
folk sees, just perhaps the UDP will
be better served on the ground.] Olfactor.
What does being in the west for years without going home have to do with
UDP. You recall Suntou lives in the west too. The UDP is domiciled in
Gambia.
[Moreover with his project of exposing Halifa Sallah and PDOIS why are you
Sountou Moofuring wasting in the West Midlands.] Olfactor.
Aha. Halifa. BuDOIS Sek.
[Bring it on! Call your back
ups. I see you are throwing around names. You have not seen anything
yet from this unwell and tormented soul.] Olfactor.
I have not seen a hoomang bing get so excited over nothing as you Olfactor.
Are you well??? Bring what on? I think we need to expel you from
here.
Haruna.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Haruna Darbo
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wrote:
Suntou who is this gentlewoman
you keep sharing with us??? Gentle has
left Olfactor years ago. He is now
crouchingtiger. Oh BTW Tiger will be
back for the Masters at Augusta
National. i so look forward to that. I
have been practicing my putting over
the year and my coach Tiger will
help improve that some more. Suntou you're
too nice to Olfactor. Might
you now be an Elizabethan like my friend
Hamjatta???? Where's that cat
anyway? How's he
doing???
T
Haruna.
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From: suntou
touray <
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To:
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Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
Haruna, your sense of
humour has lighten up this place. I could not
stop laughing aloud. It
is good for our soul. I will be requesting old
copies of the economist
magazine from the gentleman, I will cancel my
own
subscription.
Haruna, in this day and age, when both academic materials and
proper
journals can be securely access online, when books are now in
portable
computerise (digital form), i wonder why the gentleman is keen
to let
us know that he receives the hard copy of the economist? I wonder.
Talk
about refusing to march ahead with time.
Good news for the Gunners:
JAY-Z want to invest in the club, Spike Lee
is our big fan as
well.
Haruna, I also commend your analysis of the actual case in
question,
Justice Njie. As you opined, they knew full well Yahya will never
allow
them to do their jobs independently, yet they agree to take the
positions, hence she should face the music.
The accusations are that of
financial misappropriate. I also learnt
that, the Nigerians has taken over
our legal profession, thanks to the
sack Justice Secretary.
The
gentleman's anger is as a result months of disheartening comments
he
couldn't bear coming from my end. He has already made up his mind to
insult
me, emptying his heart's delight on me. I am happy that, he is
relieve of
his burden.
Why get inflamed over Rwanda whilst our stakes are the
Gambia. And why
be bothered about what I do with my party of choice? It is
fascinating.
It is reported that, Kegame's own government has in it genocidal
maniacs who still boast about their Tutsiness, let him clean up those
sick folks before branding others 'divisionist'. Room for
improvement.
The gentleman's quest to get personal is understandable. if it
helps
him have a good enough sleep, it is fine by me. Say all you like
against Suntou, i am sure your friends will tap your shoulder for it,
as
for me, i will enjoy my green tea and think of another subject. My
old
advise is that, stop being rude, calm down and remember that,
people will be
disappointed in you for using foul
language.
Suntou
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Haruna
Darbo <
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wrote:
Ok Olfactor. So you say
Suntou changed the topic first. And you went
right along with the changed
topic. You see what I mean about you
needing help Olfactor?
I'm
just kidding men. Let's chuck this one to a comedy of errors
Olfactor. I
promise I got loads of other more significant stuff for
you. Please. I don't
know why you're always on edge. I thought that was
Giuseppe, but I swear
you're worse than my friend Giuseppe. But for his
unnecessary disdain for
Hon. Hamat, theguy is a wonderful fellow. "If
you want to hide from Hamat go
to Gambia". Men you guys are experts at
low blows. Even Evian can't top
that. What?????
WHy are you bringing Giuseppe into this discussion.
I thought he were
your friend????? Olfactor you really need
help.
Haruna.
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To:
[log in to unmask]Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 9:21
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Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU
NJIE?
Haruiner,
Low blows will not do! Varify
yours first. Didn't your side kick
bring in Kagame into the
discussion.
Mboge
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM,
Haruna Darbo <
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wrote:
Ehhh
Olfactor,
I am not your companion. Don't tell me someone changed
our discussion
when you were the veritable detractor. And don't tell me
you're a man
of your own when we are trying to discern if you're a man
first. I am
not your companion. And are you a
Pan-African???
Haruna.
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Message-----
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To:
[log in to unmask]Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT
FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU
NJIE?
Haruiner,
As usual, you've woken up and dittoing
has began. Your stupid friend
moonlighting as the political analyst
changed a strictly legal
discussion to comparing apples and
oranges. There is nothing
comparable between Kagame and a rogue
like Jammeh.
Tell me about what jungle justice i am running away
and what havoc did
i participate in to warrant my coming to live in the
west. Persona
delinquencies and inadequacies, what load
of BS
I am a man of my own and I am not seeking yours or anyones
approval
for anything. Talk of trashy and nonesensical
self-delusional
importance.
Mboge
On Tue, Mar 23,
2010 at 1:13 AM, Haruna Darbo <
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wrote:
Suntou,
Thank you for your common sense. The
problem with some of these folk is
that they participated in the wrecking of
Africa before they fled
jungle justice or they had buyer's remorse once they
settled in their
new western homes. And they blame their personal
delinquencies and
inadequacies on the west. I say they brush their teeth
before they
speak to me about Africa or Africans. How you change a
conversation
about law and jurisprudence to a defense of kagame is beyond
me.
kagame's person or character was not in question......however you feel
about the man. Extradition requests are between Judicial branches and
nations. Not between Presidents or other idiots.
Thank you
again for your marked sobrieties
Suntou.
Haruna.
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From:
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To:
[log in to unmask]Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:17
am
Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case -
PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
The
gentle man who wishes to make some us look like uncaring Africans,
hence not
qualify in advocating anything African should take a good at
himself and his
place of domicile. Many a times we read and hear our
Pan-Africanist brothers
resident in Europe and America for decades
lecturing us about Euro-American
this and that on Africans.. How
self-serving these brothers
are.
If you wish to take the moral high ground on Africa, then do
the decent
thing and parachute to the West, East, South or Central Africa,
then
try screaming from the rooftop there, hopefully people will pay
attention to the nonsensical out pouring of cheap emotion. Some of this
So call Pan-Africanist hardly ever venture into Africa, yet they feel
singing Pan-Africa enough in making words relevant, give us a break.
The
economist Magazine has nothing to lose or gain in the articles some
of its
commentators write about Africa. Can we for once see things in
their right
context instead fancying around hanging onto our own
baggage of partisan
politics. If anyone is educated in the west, you
must without a question
read books, be lectured by western professors
and enjoy the western way of
live. What moral ground do you have to see
others as less of an African than
you are? Below is the Economist
Magazine's article on Kegame and Rwanda. In
fact the article
acknowledge the level of financial discipline the
government of Kegame
is instituting, yet the other facts cannot be left
unspoken about
because one is doing something’s right and other major
wrongs. We
should delineate cheap emotion from serious
issues
http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15622375
Progress
and repression in Rwanda
Divisionists beware
President Paul Kagame has
improved people’s lives at the expense of
freedom
Mar 4th 2010 | NAIROBI
| From The Economist print edition
Kagame, progressive and repressive
THE
government of Rwanda is doing a lot of things right. It is pretty
open in
its handling of aid money. Most foreign governments and
charities are so
impressed by its detailed plans and apparent lack of
corruption that they
are funnelling more of their aid directly through
Rwanda’s government.
President Paul Kagame says he expects direct
budget support to rise by a
quarter this year, to $519m.
The country has recovered valiantly from its
year zero in 1994, when
800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered.
Its centralised
state is leading the way in economic and technological
reform in the
region. It is improving the country’s infrastructure,
education and
farming, and seeks to preserve its ecology. It pushes equality
for
women, who comprise half the government and parliament.
On the
diplomatic front, Mr Kagame has been equally successful. He has
sent troops
to help keep the peace in Sudan’s Darfur province and
elsewhere. He has
stood up to mighty France, blaming it, as the
region’s then most influential
Western power, for failing to prevent
the genocide. And last month the
French president, Nicolas Sarkozy,
came to Rwanda and offered something
close to an apology. France, he
said, had committed “grave errors of
judgment” before, during, and
after the genocide. Questions linger about the
role of French special
forces during the killing, as well as the fate of
Hutus living in
France whom Rwanda wants extradited on suspicion of
involvement in the
genocide.
France, for its part, has not dropped
charges against some members of
Mr Kagame’s government who are alleged to
have ordered the shooting
down of a French aircraft carrying Rwanda’s then
president, Juvénal
Habyarimana, a Hutu; that action triggered the genocide.
Yet both
countries now appear more at ease with each other. Days after Mr
Sarkozy’s visit, Mr Habyarimana’s widow, Agathe, was arrested near
Paris
(and then freed on bail) for questioning over her alleged role in
the
genocide. French businessmen came in Mr Sarkozy’s slipstream,
eyeing
minerals and timber in neighbouring Congo, for which Rwanda is a
conduit.
“There is no doubt this is a reconciliation,” says a Rwandan
government
figure.
Yet awkward question-marks hang over Mr Kagame and his ruling Rwandan
Patriotic Front. The president’s detractors say his party has not owned
up to killing thousands of civilians immediately after the genocide or
to responsibility for causing much bloodshed in Congo, which it invaded
in order to hunt down the génocidaires who had fled there. The
Congolese
government, it may be noted, has co-operated with the
Rwandans in their more
recent incursions into Congo.
Mr Kagame and his government are stifling
political and press freedom
in advance of a presidential election due in
August. He is almost
certain to win but evidently he is determined to secure
a big majority
to implement his “one Rwanda” policies. Opposition parties
have been
forbidden to “use words or facts that defame other politicians”.
In
practice, the government can label any criticism against it as
“divisionism”, which entitles it to lock up the offenders. Members of
the opposition say they are spied on and bullied.
It is unclear whether
the government will let the Democratic Green
Party, a feisty new opposition
group, be registered. If not, the Greens
say they will back another lot, the
Socialist Party-Imberakuri, which
should be able to run a presidential
candidate. The head of a third
opposition party, the United Democratic
Forces-Inkingi, Victoire
Ingabire, says she has been vilified since
returning from exile in
January. The government, she says, has encouraged
people to assault
her, accusing her of being a génocidaire. This week a
former military
intelligence chief, Kayumba Nyamwasa, who was reported to
have joined
the Greens, fled Rwanda and is said to be claiming asylum in
South
Africa. The government says he is wanted on criminal
charges—presumably
divisionism.
End.
Going back to our own dictators
corridors, What is it that his
supporter are fuming against us about? They
are saying, the man is a
dictator of development and that he is fighting
against corruption. He
has given women more power and rights. His
Vice-President is a woman.
At some point in his government, there were
more women in his
government as Ministers than the previous administration.
All that the
gentleman is promoting Kegame for, Yahya Jammeh was once hail
with
those same things.
Should there be any reason for the cubing of
civil rights and plurality
of views?
Is Kegame himself innocent of
pumping tribal issues in politics? In
fact, Kegame's men in the army
including the high ranking female
officer play the card more than many
others. Check their own Google
images Mr Gentleman. I have seen images of
the Rwandan army's latest
incursion of Congo, the close senior officers
bragging about their
prejudicial influences. These things aren’t as simple
as the gentleman
is making it out to be.
Nothing should compromise
tolerant co-existence, and the opposition
views is a key part to ensuring
the population is represented at all
levels. Kegame's propaganda alone
shouldn't be listened to at the
expense of others. He should be commended
for lots of things, but he
also needs to understand that framing words
against his opponent is not
healthy for the future stability of the country.
Some of us are less of
a Pan-African, however, we know the working of a
genuine democracy.
Advocates of Europeanism live in Europe. let our
Pan-African folks
migrate to Africa, instead of crying wolf in western towns
and cities.
Let not your bias of folks make you blind to their views. Stop
been
haste over public issues. Take a deep breath and read the material
before jumping to conclusion.
LJ, thanks for your sober and intelligent
analysis always. Long may we
have many non-partisan like you. Speaking the
facts regardless of who
it come from. Saddly, folks here seems to look at
names, party
afilliation, some ignoble little gangs before saying
anything
tangible. You have
shown to be above such petty
mantra.
Suntou
Suntou
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at
9:28 PM, Lamin Darbo
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wrote:
Mboge
You are absolutely right that "Four men
accused of taking part in the
1994 Rwandan genocide win their High Court
battle against
extradition" was "strictly premised on the
significance of the Legal
precedence it sets for 'fugitives' claiming to
be escaping
persecution". Specifically, I was thinking about Justice
Safiatou Njie
(Justice Njie) and whether The Gambia Government is likely to
succeed
in having her extradited by the UK.
Although her
alleged crimes are not political, the whole mechanism of
Gambian justice is
heavily entangled in political calculations. She is
not likely to get a fair
trial, and as a requirement of Article 6 of
the European Convention of Human
Rights (ECHR), now statutorily
incorporated into UK law by the Human Rights
Act 1998 (HRA 1998), her
chance of eluding extradition is looking
good.
Even as the Rwandan decision is a brilliant
exemplification of the rule
of law, I have to agree with you that the High
Court decision was a
difficult one on moral grounds. I am unsure why Rwanda
did not seek
their extradition for onward delivery to the International
Criminal
Tribunal Rwanda (ICTR), based in the Tanzanian city of
Arusha.
For Rwanda, it should not matter where these alleged
criminals are
prosecuted. The evidence is suggestive of some
involvement by all four
in the '94 genocide. In that case, common
sense would dictate that they
be prosecuted for their alleged crimes, and
where found legally
culpable, adequately punished.
Undoubtedly,
the political arm of government was keen to have them
extradited, but the
Judiciary blocked that wish on the explicit command
of both European, and UK
law.
Stated differently, the High Court probably hated the outcome, but
there was a clear obligation to implement the law as it is. You are
right that under other circumstances, these laws can work quite well
for
"genuine asylum seekers". This particular decision was nevertheless
quite
agonising.
As to Kagame, I defer to your expertise on the man, and
his vision.
What he must do, and this sooner than he may prefer, is to
create an
environment that allows his vision to incrementally mature
even as he
himself no longer leads Rwanda. No one person can fully
develop a
country, and in my view, this means that every African
leader, and,
or, ruler, must come to terms with his/her own mortality.
Only then
will a mighty continent actualise its great potential by making
use of
the major part of the talent at its disposal.
Many
thanks for a fine response, and advocacy.
Do you think the Gambia's
extradition request regarding Justice Njie
should
succeed?
Regards
LJDarbo
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On Sun, 21/3/10, Modou Mboge <
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wrote:
From: Modou Mboge <
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Subject:
Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case -
PRECEDENT FOR FORMER
HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE?
To:
[log in to unmask]Date:
Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 17:38
LJD,
I guess your
sharing the judgement on the Rwandans by the High Court of
the UK was
strictly premised on the significance of the Legal
precedence it sets
for 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping
persecution. I hope
it is not presumptuous of me that you had in mind
the Gambian female
judicial employee currently in the UK apparently
running away
from Gambian justice a la Jammeh when you
shared the ruling. I assume that it is no rocket
science that this
ruling will provide protection for the corrupt
criminals, genocidaires
and their apologists from being brought to justice
where it matters ie
where their alleged crimes were
committed.
It seems the so-called High Court Judges are more
concerned with the
human rights of vile genocidaires than those
genuine asylum seekers
whose fear of being killed and tortured in their
homeland is
consistently ignored and questioned and in some instances
ridiculed by
Western media pandering to the right-wing politics of
the "other"
coming to take our jobs and scrounging on our generous welfare
systems. Im no lawyer but i hope this ruling also can be
useful to
genuine asylum seekers.
Reading a response
to the article you shared by our
"descerner extraordinaire on this
forum" comparing our criminal outfit
headed by a deranged buffoon in the
person of SHEPAD Jammeh gave
me zits as well as being
squirmish for a while.
The realities of Gambia and Rwanda are
markedly different. Kagame and
Jammeh are poles apart.
Kagame is a smart and patriotic leader, a
visionary engaged
in healing a traumatized people, one fighting a good
fight in ushering in
a new nation based on functioning
institutions. The howling
on this divisionism by the Economist is in my
view an
irrelevant unworthy distraction. Kagame should take no advise
or
lecturing from a rabidly anti-African magazine that once ran a
feature
cover story by Richard Dowden on Africa: The Hopeless
Continent. It may be true that many an African country is marred by
hunger, conflict and strife yet i have no doubt that if anything the
African peoples are mostly hopeful and optimistic about the
future.
This may be sometimes wrongly attributed to
fatalism.
Of course there still remains a lot to be done
in terms of democracy
and human rights in Rwanda but one must
acknowledge the giant strides
already achieved in relation to
these ideals. It is work in
progress that is being
managed very well under extremely difficult
circumstances. Rwanda
under Kagame boast one of the most enlightened
gender equality
legislatures in the world. And this goes beyond just
symbolic
balancing of the sexes in terms of representation (given that
33% of
the Rwandan Parliament is female) in politics. Women
compete
and participate in all sectors of Rwanda society. There
is evidence of
substantive and particapatory democracy in everyday life of
the
ordinary Rwandan. The economy in Rwanda is booming, civil society
is
being built and their advocacy left, right and centre permeates in
and
at all levels of society. Under Kagame's Rwanda a state by all
standards that failed, has emerged way ahead of many African
countries in terms of health care access to its denizens. There
is
national health insurance for virtually all Rwandans. With Rwanda
now
on the right path to development and substantive participatory
democracy i join the hoard of admirers wishing the Kagame juggernaut to
keep steaming ahead. I do also hope that the juggernaut also destroys
and annihilate all the negative forces trying to block
it especially
those coated in ethnicity. Ethnicity is important
but not to the
detriment of building a prosperous Rwandan nation that
concerns herself
with providing peace, prosperity and progress to
its people.
There exists a genuine concern by those trying to deny
the horrid
genocide that took place in 1994. Politicians such as
Victoire Ingabire
Umuhoza trying to play on ethnic sentiments must be
reigned in. This
does not mean that people should be denied the
right to associate
with the ethnic skirt they want to wear as long
as it is not to villify
or create schisms between and
among their brethren and sisters.
Afterall the Tutsi and Hutu are
from the same family of Bantu-speaking
peoples. But if not
for a sad historical constructionism perpetrated
by colonialists based
on banal concepts such as
the Hamitic Hypothesis ,
the Tutsi-Hutu dichotomous relationship might
have been avoided. I
shall not suffer the esteem lot of this forum on
the nitty-gritty of
this racist hypothesis which helped in the pogroms
of the Tutusis in
1959 and the genocide of 1994.
We have
seen the shenanigans of France and some other northern
governments
trying to stifle the progress and development of Rwanda
since the RPF
came into power. I will have Kagame any day as my leader
compared
to the rogues we have splattered across our wounded continent
irresponsibly abusing the noble ideals of democracy and human
rights.
Best,
Mboge
On
Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, suntou touray <
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wrote:
LJ, reading the economies Magazine edition of last week,
i can see
similar tactics in the arena of suppression of opposition views in
Rwanda to that our own mad man. Kegame's government invented a
dangerous
term 'divisionist'. This term is label against opponents of
the government
with the country's sad past. The genocidal past was
trigger by tribal
sentiment, hence the divisionist concept.
It is interesting how our guys
invent this sinister strategies to
suppress alternative views. Key members
of the opposition are regularly
accused of being guilty of genocide, a tack
one is unable to free
himself from.
Suntou
On
Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Lamin Darbo
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wrote:
--- On Fri, 19/3/10, LJD
<
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From: LJD
<
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Subject: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK
court case
To:
[log in to unmask]Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010,
0:08
LJD saw this story on the BBC News website and thought
you
should see it.
** Rwanda accused win UK court case
**
Four men accused of taking part in the 1994 Rwandan genocide win their
High Court battle against extradition
<
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7989534.stm >
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