Olfactor, Thanx for clarifying the hate part although I meant hatin' on the British courts for absolutely no reason. We were talking about the accused Gambian's extradition and somehow you managed to share with us the obvious indisputable qualities of Kagame and post-genocide Rwanda as if to establish comparative assessment value. I think after adults weigh in on the matter, they may yield you your wish for Njie's extradition without giving your gratuitous disdain of Britain the most casual consideration. JDAM, Owens, Regarding (specifically) Justice Njie's case, and given your sharing of the 2009 ruling in favour of the Rwanda four and against their extradition, the British courts can make the following discernment without unduly affecting their ruling on the Rwanda four barring any incontrovertible evidence of their participation in high crimes. That revelation is not short-circuited by the denial of Rwanda's extradition request. In Justice Njie's case, she was accused of wrongdoing prior to her emigration to Britain and from what I understand, she has not yet been granted British citizenship. And if she were, the allegations against her preceded that grant of British citizenship. Therefore, Britain's consideration to prevent her extradition to Gambia will be based strictly on the fact that she may not get a fair trial by Yahya's judiciary. To that point, I submit that Justice Njie had accepted employment from the same government of Yahya and with the full knowledge that other fellow citizens of hers were not receiving fair trials from a Justice department in which she willingly and gleefully accepted employment. Further, Britain ought to review her proceedings while at that same Justice department to be advised as to whether Justice Njie was ever an accomplice in unfair trails or the execution of justice. This will be instructive for the Crown courts if they are to validate any decision contravening extradition agreements with other governments. The idea behind the accrual of fair trials and good justice is premised on the expectation that justice officials not participate or aid and abet complice murder and incarcerations. They (Justice officials) should have a higher bar of reason than the ordinary Olfactor if fair trials are to be a consideration in abrogating extradition agreements. If and when the courts establish that Justice Njie not only did not participate in gory justice, but advocated for fair trials while in the employ of Yahya, then the courts should deny Gambia her extradition there. However, that denial must be based on a promise to try Justice Njie in Britain or her Island protectorates on the charges proferred against her by Gambia, a delinquent nation. What do you guys think. This is assuming Justice Njie has not yet been granted asylum or citizenship already. That would be high delinquency on the part of the British Government no matter their disdain for Yahya. The allegations against Justice Njie are crimes against the people of Gambia. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:12 am Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER H... Haruiner, The answer to your trashy piffle is a big long "CHIIPUU". Im busy with cleaning up the stinky "Contouring ......" stuff. Keep amusing yourself of folk working themselves in hating you. This is the greatest joke i've ever heard. Who the heck are you for me to spend my time worrying in hating you. I didn't know you are the "descerner extraordinaire on this forum". Mboge (Tormented soul, inn'it) On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: There you go again Olfactor. On and on and on about nothing. First of all it is Discerner-extraordinaire. I am not having you mischaracterize me. Secondly, don't you see your own quandry already???? You accuse us of comparing Yahya's Gambia to Rwanda but you go on and on and on about how Yahya's Gambia is the veritable harbinger of Rwanda. I want you to settle down. You're too sentimental for my sanity. You're friggin worse than Giusseppe. How do all these extreme people find a home in BuDois Sek when Halifa teaches a diametrically opposed dispensation? to borrow from Evian? Olfactor, it is not readily discernible whether a person who seeks asylum is a benign refugee or is to be later accused of genocide. That is the problem. You will agree with me that it is only after someone gains asylum or is seeking asylum that idiots find incontrovertible evidence to charge them with genocide. How do you blame the British courts for insisting on justice. Besides did you not read that these four were accused of aiding and abetting????? Wait till Yahya accusesd you aiding and abetting wizardry. You'll see the Dublin mounted police in a Belfast minute knocking at your friggin door. Would you then want to be extradited to answer to Yahya's charges???? You guys are too sentimental for your own good. How do you figure the British courts are more concerned about the rights of accused persons than those seeking refuge for fear of persecution??? How would you handle these two circumstances??? Say you are facing deportation proceedings and your plea is that you fear for your life once deported. On the other hand, upon learning my being granted asylum, I get accused of aiding and abetting genocide (not prior). Which of these two cases do you think the law should treat as more urgent? Do you not imagine that the very reason you fear for your life when deported is what Britain ought to fear for their new citizen????? I don't know what kind of thought process some of you guys engage in sometimes. It appears foreign to Gambian conscience. What is going on??? WHy do you work yourselves up to hate folk for absolutely the flimsiest reasons on earth??? Justice is represented as SCALES for a reason you know. Its not just fancy artwork. Jesus friggin Christ. Haruna. I got dizzy reading you and I forgot why you were writing so much about nothing. Men. In a message dated 3/21/2010 1:38:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: LJD, I guess your sharing the judgement on the Rwandans by the High Court of the UK was strictly premised on the significance of the Legal precedence it sets for 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping persecution. I hope it is not presumptuous of me that you had in mind the Gambian female judicial employee currently in the UK apparently running away from Gambian justice a la Jammeh when you shared the ruling. I assume that it is no rocket science that this ruling will provide protection for the corrupt criminals, genocidaires and their apologists from being brought to justice where it matters ie where their alleged crimes were committed. It seems the so-called High Court Judges are more concerned with the human rights of vile genocidaires than those genuine asylum seekers whose fear of being killed and tortured in their homeland is consistently ignored and questioned and in some instances ridiculed by Western media pandering to the right-wing politics of the "other" coming to take our jobs and scrounging on our generous welfare systems. Im no lawyer but i hope this ruling also can be useful to genuine asylum seekers. Reading a response to the article you shared by our "descerner extraordinaire on this forum" comparing our criminal outfit headed by a deranged buffoon in the person of SHEPAD Jammeh gave me zits as well as being squirmish for a while. The realities of Gambia and Rwanda are markedly different. Kagame and Jammeh are poles apart. Kagame is a smart and patriotic leader, a visionary engaged in healing a traumatized people, one fighting a good fight in ushering in a new nation based on functioning institutions. The howling on this divisionism by the Economist is in my view an irrelevant unworthy distraction. Kagame should take no advise or lecturing from a rabidly anti-African magazine that once ran a feature cover story by Richard Dowden on Africa: The Hopeless Continent. It may be true that many an African country is marred by hunger, conflict and strife yet i have no doubt that if anything the African peoples are mostly hopeful and optimistic about the future. This may be sometimes wrongly attributed to fatalism. Of course there still remains a lot to be done in terms of democracy and human rights in Rwanda but one must acknowledge the giant strides already achieved in relation to these ideals. It is work in progress that is being managed very well under extremely difficult circumstances. Rwanda under Kagame boast one of the most enlightened gender equality legislatures in the world. And this goes beyond just symbolic balancing of the sexes in terms of representation (given that 33% of the Rwandan Parliament is female) in politics. Women compete and participate in all sectors of Rwanda society. There is evidence of substantive and particapatory democracy in everyday life of the ordinary Rwandan. The economy in Rwanda is booming, civil society is being built and their advocacy left, right and centre permeates in and at all levels of society. Under Kagame's Rwanda a state by all standards that failed, has emerged way ahead of many African countries in terms of health care access to its denizens. There is national health insurance for virtually all Rwandans. With Rwanda now on the right path to development and substantive participatory democracy i join the hoard of admirers wishing the Kagame juggernaut to keep steaming ahead. I do also hope that the juggernaut also destroys and annihilate all the negative forces trying to block it especially those coated in ethnicity. Ethnicity is important but not to the detriment of building a prosperous Rwandan nation that concerns herself with providing peace, prosperity and progress to its people. There exists a genuine concern by those trying to deny the horrid genocide that took place in 1994. Politicians such as Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza trying to play on ethnic sentiments must be reigned in. This does not mean that people should be denied the right to associate with the ethnic skirt they want to wear as long as it is not to villify or create schisms between and among their brethren and sisters. Afterall the Tutsi and Hutu are from the same family of Bantu-speaking peoples. But if not for a sad historical constructionism perpetrated by colonialists based on banal concepts such as the Hamitic Hypothesis , the Tutsi-Hutu dichotomous relationship might have been avoided. I shall not suffer the esteem lot of this forum on the nitty-gritty of this racist hypothesis which helped in the pogroms of the Tutusis in 1959 and the genocide of 1994. We have seen the shenanigans of France and some other northern governments trying to stifle the progress and development of Rwanda since the RPF came into power. I will have Kagame any day as my leader compared to the rogues we have splattered across our wounded continent irresponsibly abusing the noble ideals of democracy and human rights. Best, Mboge On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: LJ, reading the economies Magazine edition of last week, i can see similar tactics in the arena of suppression of opposition views in Rwanda to that our own mad man. Kegame's government invented a dangerous term 'divisionist'. This term is label against opponents of the government with the country's sad past. The genocidal past was trigger by tribal sentiment, hence the divisionist concept. It is interesting how our guys invent this sinister strategies to suppress alternative views. Key members of the opposition are regularly accused of being guilty of genocide, a tack one is unable to free himself from. Suntou On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: --- On Fri, 19/3/10, LJD <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: LJD <[log in to unmask]> Subject: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case To: [log in to unmask] Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 0:08 LJD saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Rwanda accused win UK court case ** Four men accused of taking part in the 1994 Rwandan genocide win their High Court battle against extradition < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7989534.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. 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