Not so fast you idiot. What about the challenge Olfactor? This is what I say about you. WHat is wrong with you?? You always succeed in pissing me off and I can't do anything because I really do love you. Sissy or not. So it ain't gonna happen this time. You will agree with me that if this childcare matter is not resolved, impressionable minds might think its ok to molest and abuse children. You see the catholic church having a rough time of it at this moment and nowhere is it more presceint than in Ireland. You should be worried if I were you. So just for sport and general goodwill, can we complete this challenge??? See if I do the challenge by myself and they bring my report here and lock me up for the crimes, then you will be forced to undergo the same challenge. My friends in Ireland will ensure that. That is if you haven't moved again by that time and that will not help you either. I have people all over the west. And because you have a particular affinity for the west, we shall always have an opportunity to keep anti-Pan-African tabs on your little behind. I luh you men. What're you talking about? My son was just telling me "Olfactor says you're a sissy so if you keep telling him you love him, he might get more mad". Kids. Ok we are off now. Later Olfactor. SO I don't love you. I just like you. Mams don't get any funny ideas. You I love. Haruna. In a message dated 3/27/2010 11:35:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Oko and Nyang, I acknowledge your anxieties about this exchange, i apologise but this knucklehead HauruinerDing will know that as long as he wants to we will, i promise. Im sorry for anxiety but i have finish off with this misogynist. Mr Haruinerding, are there. Best, Mboge On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Ace, I acknowledge your anxiety and I apologise for yielding you any discomfort. I think Olfactor is a great guy. He says he is on a mission to show us that I seemed to have won arguments with a lot of folk and that they have yielded but that he will show me that I will not win against him and that he will give me my own medicine (insults, names, and winning an argument). I must admit I am not aware of winning any argument here against anybody.... even my Dad of BuDOIS Sek. And I haven't seen anyone scurry along from a conversation with Haruna where I haven't shared ideas that sounded plausible. As for insults, they are a dime a dozen and we all share in that poetry. You will remmember Olfactor seemed incensed at me all along since his little spat with our friend Ginny. I cannot repeat what he shared about our womanfolk. Talk about misogyny. Of the highest order. This suppressed disdain seethed all the while to climax in the disagreement on Justice Njie's challenge of Gambia's extradition plea of Great Britain. Olfactor managed to turn that into a pseudo Pan-African fight and he wasn't clear about his position on that extradition conversation (witness his correction; for, then against). Meanwhile I addressed the law of that extradition with JDAM and sought further clarification from our legal luminaries for the education of all of us in the community. Unfortunately, Olfactor was already on a roll throwing tantrums at everybody who doesn't seem to be as passionate as he was with a convoluted anti-Pan-African scheme. He lashed out through Suntou who shared his aversion to folk brow beating everyone into some fanciful Pan-African fight when they do not have a clue about life much less Pan-African life. He hurled insults and invectives to his heart's desire. Just as he did with Ginny. To attract allies, he couched it in Suntou's belonging to UDP and erstwhile challenge of Halifa, PDOIS, and Foroyaa to expand the extradition conversation into a partisan affair. Olfactor is no more PDOIS than Dad, JDAM, Evian, or other, but he shares he was fighting for Halifa's good name. He called me Sissy (I don't even know what he means by Sissy) and he made several mentions to ASS and Shit. Olfactor also shared with us some months ago some concerns and anxieties he was having of life and that he doesn't know who to trust even his own family members. I took his insults of me in stride because from some of his other narratives, I thought he had some genuine concerns about life and that indeed people have hurt him before. What he doesn't know is that all of us at some point or other in our lives, have been hurt by someone else. Another person or animal. It is the fortitude of your mental capacity and a generous spirit that affords all of us the strength to move on and achieve great things in life all while supporting our fellow. Even those who have done us wrong. Nevermind it is a mirage that Haruna wins conversations and "cows" others into "yielding". I share ideas on matters here. when I'm challenged on those ideas, I defend both genesis and reason for those ideas, as everyone else in this community does. I do my homework before I share ideas on any issue no matter how seemingly innocuous. The greatest offense according to DaarManso is to comit fraudulent agency against your fellow man. SO I effort to re-present my friends verbatim challenge of me in order to do due-diligence not to comit fraudulent agency. I do not lie and I will not start now. I encourage this disposition to Olfactor. I work on effectively communicating my view and when I discern clueless aversion from other, I set their little behinds straight so they don't go on with wanton aversion of other in this our community and beyond. That is generally what yields seemingly intractable conflict. I take no one prisoner. If you are imprisoned, it is your own conscience that holds you in chains. I am a HarunaMo. I take no sides in Religion and I do not purvey HarunaSilo. That is in the name of my Religion. I fight all odious Religion or misrepresentation of religion. That is because I study the cultural, traditional, and poetic history of all major religions. So I will know what I am talking about and I do not gratuitously offend any religion. Now Olfactor wonders whether the kids in my care are well looked after or not. Some people may lash out and say That is none of his business, but me Haruna, No. That is not me. The reason is because whether you care for children or not should be everybody's concern so that evil parents/care givers can be identified and trained to ammend their ways or lose the privileges of a care giver. Exposing good parents who do care for children will also encourage our prospective parents to do good by the least among us and adopt orphans should they be able to do so. SO here is my challenge to Olfactor: Olfactor, I know you are a great parent even if the children are not yours. Nevermind you are a man or woman or betwixt. That is not significant to us. You have legitimate concerns about whether I care for the children in my care. Of (not recommended beginning of sentence) the children in my care, a good number of them live with their parents in several countries, particularly Gambia. I do not have physical custody of those and I trust with my support, their care becomes easier for their parents or caregivers. Those children whom I have physical custody of, about half are my biological children, and the other half are not. They go to school, and I engage in very many activities to round out their experiences; including outings to camp, lakeside visits, museums, zoos, aquatic centers, building stuff like decks, gazebos, swings, weeding, gardening, volunteering, and yes studying and learning. They have a lot of fun and they want to be with me at all times. I am very pleased at the honour. I share my experiences with other parents who seem delighted at the improved demeanor of their own children. The trick is not to take on additional children than you time and passion allow for their excellent care. And I said excellent not good. Children cannot settle for good care. They need excellent care to make up for their growing deficits in minor status. Now I know this is not enough for you to be convinced even though I know that you do not really question my parentage or care of children anywhere. Your company with me here should tell a benign mind that. SO I have this one challenge for you: I promise I can find two independent persons who both you and I will agree with. These persons, in concert with local child welfare and law enforcement agencies in both Dublin and Georgia can make impromptu visits to us and our families over the course of a year or any time period that is suitable for you. They will make a review of our two families and share their reviews here with us. If you are amenable to this challenge, we can set the ball rolling right away. Don't worry too much about the twelve year old. The reason I am concerned about that child is because in your moment of gallantry, you shared with us there is a certain woman who wants to find you guilty of being responsible for that child. You forgot to mention whether you have resolved that matter or not but you shared that you lived in Norway before but moved from place to place. I wondered if some of your anxieties could be tied to that problem were it not resolved yet. I generally advise against moving from place to place to avoid a contentious matter. It wreaks havoc on your state of mind. I encourage you to finally resolve that matter even at your own expense. No expense is too great for the care of a child. But do that separately. That is not part of our friendly challenge here. Dad, by way of this note, I address your concerns that I may have aversed Olfactor somehow. I encourage you to follow the series of notes with this particular heading or title so that you can possibly find it in you to hold me harmless of any such act or intent. You will notice this exchange between myself and Olfactor is an opportunity for teachable moments. I know Olfactor regards it as a contest in insults but he is diminishing the value for all of us. Misogyny, homosexuality, fraudulent agency, and anti-Pan-Africanism, are significant enough aversions which if true, have no place in a community like Ellen. I encourage you to help me understand where you think I aversed Olfactor and I will make proper ammends immediately. I acknowledge and understand your concerns. I have voluntarily sworn off a certain invective so you will not see that in any of my notes. Further, you may not see Haruna hurling any invective at Olfactor because I really don't feel that way about Mboge. Like I said, there are valuable lessons in this conversation that the entire community can benefit from. Allez people. I am long here. Unintentionally. Yours truly....and Olfactor's truly, Haruna. The King of kings of Ellen. I kinda like that Ace. NOT. Can you think of another name for me? Please? WHo knows Olfactor may be mad as hell at you for expanding my already big black head. Mbaranbiringbiring why are you begging for Olfactor's pardon??? You have done nothing to the man. He will be back to being my friend and we know now he wasn't telling the truth when he said he ignores my notes here and they go straight into his trash bin. You don't believe me do you??? Haruna again. I gotta go plant some Mountain Laurel and spread some pine needles on the garden. With the kids again. I just can't do anything without the kids. Especially in such beautiful gardening weather. Later. Olfactor I haven't forgotten about your latest tirade. I will let that one go. Just continue here on this one so we keep a streamlined archive. Dad what da hell is wrong with you and Foroyaa?? I'll get back to you on that later. Foroyaa is pissing me off right about now. Sorry Ace. I want to be a man of my own like Olfactor. In a message dated 3/27/2010 12:08:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) writes: Mboge Fara, Haruna , Please let us set forth afresh today kindly pardon me and Haruna too, you are two of my best writers in this forum so do not let us go into sadness.. To embrace peace and discipline, purity and simplicity, allows us to with live with great fullfillment and meaning. We must n'ot live lives pervaded by indiscipline or hellish torments, Indeed if we base our lives on meningful dialogue exchange we can advance along the road without the slighest FEAR.. Lets lives our lives joyously, cheerfully and triumphantly. All my respect Oko ____________________________________ From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 10:20:56 PM Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH ... Haruinerding Misogynistic Pig Sissy, So what happen to your oracle DaaManso? Have you been abandoned? What happen to the revelations? I know you are a fake and a posturer as well as conceited but hearing lies from you is new to me. You said you ought to varify my gender but still you running around circles or maybe Daangaa Daannu Raabbb or Daanga furraalll (or falling Animal as we use to say during our childhood). What is the correct english word Mr English Teacher. Im waiting, tell me what i am Mr Sissy Bloated Ass. Talk about gaucherie (your favourite word) or what .... : Perhaps your debauchery as a Sissy is what should be examined especially being around kids. What say you? Im still worried for those innocent kids. I hope DaaManso comes to their aid. Now i see you've reduced yourself to groping in the dark. DaaManso left you in a slumber and O'Dennelly seem to have lost his way to my home. I am really having a laugh mate at your silliness. The mailman got the wrong address. Why can't you stop lying, you know you have a big entourage who look up to you. You leaked from your orifice that i am incapable of having kids now in the same breath you say my DNA is required to establish paraenthood. Now, i am really confused about my gender MR HARUINDERDING SISSY MISOGYNISTIC PIG. Where are your informants as well as DaaManso? They need to reveal something to you. Keeping groping, i am sure of myself and the kids i fathered know that yours truly is responsible and this applies to the 12 year old. Go ask DaaManso for some revelation SISSY bloated ass misogynist. HaruinerDing Misogynist, how sad have you become. Now it is about Jeffry Dahmar. How many kids have you buried in your backyard and or which parts have you consumed. I remember you were pretending to do some landscaping sometime back. The authorities must come have a look. You know there are many Frederick West in this world. I heard there are missing kids around your neighbourhood. Thank the Lord i have the possibility to move around, not like someone who for more than 20years is held up in the US or how were the sojourns in Malta and Libya. Haruinerding Bloated Ass, have you introduced to your wannabe golf aficionado your IKEA tips. Tell him the freebies are going to stop soon. The TimesOnline and Sunday Times are gonna be charging for their services. Mr Murduch is tired of scroungers. Maybe your friend may turn to The Guardian and Sunday Observer or the Telegraph and perhaps The Mail, they are still going for free. Rushbridger and his group still believes in giving back to the community. Sissy Misogynist, got to go sleep. Im taking the adopted kids for swimming so i need some rest. Mboge (Still with the Tantrums). How does milk taste? On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: [In a message dated 3/25/2010 9:51:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) writes: Haruinerding, I wanna know my gender, sissy.] Olfactor. You do don't you? Well we do too. [You said you need to varify whether i am a man or a woman or in between.] Olfactor. I think you introduced this querry especially the in-between part. You also told us you are a man of your own even before we qualified your manhood. Youi spoke of ass and shit a lot making us wonder if the fascination with these is mere gaucherie or cognitive mime. So are you a man, woman, or betwixt? [Why do you wanna know where i live?] Olfactor. You already shared with us you live in Dublin, Ireland. Much to the chagrin of O'Shaugnessy. [I thought you knew.] Olfactor. Indeed I know from what you shared. I have no reason to conceive otherwise. [Dublin, Oslo, Barcelona, Buenos Aires, London, Lisbon, Warsaw maybe.] Olfactor. Wait a minute; How can you live in all these places at the same time. I sleep with both eyes open but to live in 99 different places at the same time, well I can't top that Olfactor. Unless I'm bipolar. [Have i left Norway?] Olfactor. No the question was "WHY did you leave Norway". The reason I ask that was because you shared with us there is a woman there who wishes to find you guilty of fathering a child with her. BTW, have you resolved that yet? It would be very easy with a DNA test. That can now be done internationally. And you don't have to appear on Maury Pauvich. If I were you, I would just accept to be responsible for the child and just figure her in your family planning rather than complete an international DNA test. This is whether or not you are the father of the child. The woman expressed her desire for you to care for and nurture the child. She must have seen something in you that inspires her don't you think? [Go get your friend O'Donnelly to check my address.] Olfactor. O'Donnelly already knows your address. He is your mailman remmember? [I have nothing in common with a piss head misogynist.] Olfactor. Well how do you know that? [I am very worried about the safety of children around you.] Olfactor. There you go Olfactor unduly burdening yourself with anxieties and chagrin. You wanna solve this anxiety right away??? Lemme know Lemme know. I have an idea. I think you'll like it. [These kids around me know who cares for them or not.] Olfactor. Do they??? That's what Jeffery Dahmer said too. [Ask O'Donnelly or my friend.] Olfactor. O'Donnelly seeks a DNA test at this time. Your friend was just suspicious that one of the children looked like him. Anyhow, he is not in a position to take care of a child right now. He will come to you later, when the child reaches major age. Remmember to leave a forwarding address when you leave Ireland also. I don't even know why you keep running around the world as if in search of a western country that is not anti-Pan-African. Olfactor, what is so unique about Ireland that made you settle there??? We are anxious to know. [Mboge *(With the tantrums)] Olfactor. Drink some milk. Haruna. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Olfactor, I just realised you and I have a lot in common. Well your friend and mailman entrusted their kids to you. Someone entrusted kids to me. The only difference is you wonder whether my kids are in safe hands. For me I am confident yours are in good hands. So until you find out if my kids are in safe hands, we are virtually alike. You like speaking of ass and shit. And you shared with us someone wanted to make you responsible for a child who may not be yours. I wonder did you ever verify if you are responsible for that child? I believe its the 12-year old. Even if you are not responsible for the child (whatever you mean by that) I encourage you to adopt her as yours. There seems to be room in your family for the child. What do you say??? Perhaps the mother is crying out for you to adopt the child. Be the gentleman you always were. Please Olfactor. What I say is if someone wants to make you responsible for a child, go ahead be responsible. It is flattering for someone to want you to care for their child. I mean at least they are not forcing you to marry them. Just take the child. And when they're good and ready to have the child back, gladly return her. I am curious as to what you decide on this. You must have lived in Norway before. Oh that's right I remmember. Why did you leave Norway?? Haruna. Those idiots like walking around butt-naked. Talk about ASS. -----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:15 pm Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH ... Haruinerding Sissy Misogynistic pig, What happen to the English tuition? Im i making sense. Well, good that my friend and the post man have been busy with the madame, at least i am given some responsibility of some kids. With you being the sissy, knowing sissies don't work it, why pretend that boy yours. I hope he is save in hands. With sissies you never know what they can do children. Im worried for that boy's real biological parents. Mboge (unwell and waiting to know my gender ) On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Congratulations Olfactor. You have three beautiful kids and one on the way. We wish mom and baby a healthy carriage to term and do let us know when the beautiful baby comes. See, if I didn't ask you, we'd never know and you would have been running around causing folk anxiety and chagrin. But you know being responsible for kids does not mean they are yours. A friend of yours told me one looked like him and the other the mail man O'Donnelly I love you men. You gotta invite us to the Ngainteh. If its a boy, name him Haruna. Why not? Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 4:13 am Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH ... Haruinerding, Why do you wanna know if i have kids or not? Remember you still varifying my gender/sex? Well, i am living with someone who believes i have what it takes to give her two beautiful kids plus a third she is expecting this summer. There is also another female who gave birth to a beautiful girl some 12 years ago who believes yours truly is responsible. Maybe consult you DaaManso for a revelation whether this genderless one has kids or not. Mboge On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: For someone who is not a sissy, you sure like talking about ASS Olfactor. And I didn't say jumping into any Dinko, I said Jumping OUT. You're already in there. Do you have kids Olfactor? Haruna. In a message dated 3/25/2010 3:41:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) writes: MR Haruiner Ass, I thought you had few hours to cook for whatever kids you claimed to have (are you sure that kid or kids are yours, sissies do not work it you know). Or was it just a lie or pretentious brag about being a caring parent while the nasty misogynistic ass was letting the kids mum to do all the work. Hope you have time cos you are gonna have a lot of fitting missing words in what you read from me, cos i cannot speak or write English or any language. As for your drivel or should i say the runny stuff oozing from your bloated behind belong to the sewer, i wonder how it can make me jump into any DINKO. Since whenever someone points to the shitty fetid trash coming from your stinky behind, means people hate or are jealous of you, well it will not wash with me. Or im waiting for your silly boast of what you have done for folk and how many people you have . You remember that one when you had an argument few years ago on another forum. As if Haruiner is the only person on earth helping out. Please there are thousands of people who are making a difference to others everyday without bragging about it. Keep the cheap jibes coming. I keep chuckling seeing you doing all you can calling me unwell or suicidal perhaps thinking you are winding me up. Keep them coming Mr Knucklehead Haruinerding. As i say i need no ones approval, encouragement, padding on the back on this forum or anywhere to be me. Moreso from a trashy ass like you. I have been surviving and doing my stuff without you or anyones help, so keep this shit about love or what have you to yourself. If hearing me saying that makes you have diarrhea so please situate your ass near a toilet cos you gonna have a lot coming your way. A woman or man, or in betweeen, i am not sure. Please let me know what sex/gender i am. When did you become the purveyor of anything, moreso love and cheers. I did not know you are such a liar. Your record of insulting folk is legendary. Men, why are you pretending. Mr Knucklehead Haruinerding sissy, why ask a question when you know the answer. Perhaps it Nirvana as you say. Nirvana my you know what...! What more can i say to you knucklehead since you have revelations from DaaManso. Got to go now, catch up in few hours. I wonder if I am not making sense how come you are able to understand what i am writing . I see your side kick Sountou MAMA Moofurriing is moving on. How are the English lessons going with him and the rest of your entourage. Piss head misogynist, see you later. Mboge (Unwell, tormented and waiting for your help to know what sex i am) On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: [------Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:16 pm Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE? Haruiner/Suntou, Haruine rI choose what to call you, not you, get that.] Olfactor. Quit running your words together. Why can't you invent your own name for me since you are your own man??? I guess you are now Mams' man. [Since you chose to call folk anything thatr visit you in your hallucination, why are you telling me not call you what i choose. Get pissed all you want, do i care i think not.] Olfactor. So if I tell you to jump out of the Big Dinko, you will do it eh? Ok Jump out. To save your own life. [And talking about my use of the English language, yes i admit i am not good at it but maybe first teach your entourage especially your side kick, Suntou Moofuring who moonlights as a columnist to learn his grammer and sentence structuring before he spew anything from his orifice.] Olfactor. Sidekick is one word. Mohfooring. grammar. Sentence structure. spews. out of orifice. Not from orifice. Orifice is pejorative when referring to a fellow citizen. [The two sissies Haruiner and Suntou Moofurin, i don't who is who, so you fretting about me hating you. What silliness? Oh i see it is 'about my delinquencies and inadequacies i guess.' Just shitty piffle.] Olfactor. You're not making sense here Olfactor. Haven't you forgotten a word or two? [I am giving you your own medicine.] Olfactor. HarunaMos don't take medicine. That's what I got in a fight with my doctor about. I ended up convincing her not to take medicine herself. She thought I was crazy. [You have been running your shitty mouths at anyone here who differs from your the fetid opinions you keep spewing as some learned analysis.] Olfactor. I only demand that you use correct English when you speak with me Olfactor. Is that too much to ask?? What is "from your the fetid opinions"? [Haruiner, your misogynism is apparent, so what if i were a woman.] Olfactor. So what if you are a woman? Acknowledging that is the first step. [Are women less than men?] Olfactor. NO. For the simple fact that she is called Woman means she is more than a man. Whaddoyou think Olfactor? [amI happy to be called a woman or even in between.] Olfactor. So are you a woman or somewhere in between a man and a woman? [Suntou Moofuring, so you are with times because you read stuff from the net. I know you've no idea to differentiate things but i tell you this people have choices.] Olfactor. Yes. People have a choice to kill themselves too. Folk like you should not be given free health care Olfactor. [Most people still enjoy reading from books, magazines, periodicals etc the traditional way.] Olfactor. Yeah but what is your reason for being one of those people? That is the question Olfactor. Is it Nirvana? [Get that Mr Fool pretender BUDDING political analyst.] Olfactor. This is uncalled for Olfactor. Why do you work yourself up just to hate? What do you intend to accomplish by being rude just because you have always been rude but have suppressed it against your good health? [Well, Haruiner if your side kick is nice with me, what is stopping you from being nasty with me.] Olfactor. Nothing that I can see. I just choose to be nice to you Olfactor. People have choices you know. [As i said to you before, i do not seek, crave or need your friendship, encouragement, cheer or love. Take them where they are needed or asked for. I do not need or seek anyones anywhere else approval here or anyone to be me. And that goes to friends or family.] Olfactor. I am the purveyor of friendship, encouragement, cheer, or love just like you are the purveyor of names. You know what that means don't you Olfactor? What have your friends and family done to you Olfactor? I know deep down you love me Olfactor. You just don't know it yet. I intend to yield you revelations like you've never had them before. Do you dream Olfactor? [And why can't you guys stop lying about anyone trying to dictate to the flea infested brain of Suntou Mama what to do with his political affiliation with the UDP.] Olfactor. Not anyone. Someone. flea-infested. Suntoumana. [I only refer to the UDP because since he thinks people like me have been domicile in the West for years without going home, i just thought since he so politically savvy and with many qualifications as well as being endowed with seeing things no ordinary folk sees, just perhaps the UDP will be better served on the ground.] Olfactor. What does being in the west for years without going home have to do with UDP. You recall Suntou lives in the west too. The UDP is domiciled in Gambia. [Moreover with his project of exposing Halifa Sallah and PDOIS why are you Sountou Moofuring wasting in the West Midlands.] Olfactor. Aha. Halifa. BuDOIS Sek. [Bring it on! Call your back ups. I see you are throwing around names. You have not seen anything yet from this unwell and tormented soul.] Olfactor. I have not seen a hoomang bing get so excited over nothing as you Olfactor. Are you well??? Bring what on? I think we need to expel you from here. Haruna. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Suntou who is this gentlewoman you keep sharing with us??? Gentle has left Olfactor years ago. He is now crouchingtiger. Oh BTW Tiger will be back for the Masters at Augusta National. i so look forward to that. I have been practicing my putting over the year and my coach Tiger will help improve that some more. Suntou you're too nice to Olfactor. Might you now be an Elizabethan like my friend Hamjatta???? Where's that cat anyway? How's he doing??? T Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:16 am Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE? Haruna, your sense of humour has lighten up this place. I could not stop laughing aloud. It is good for our soul. I will be requesting old copies of the economist magazine from the gentleman, I will cancel my own subscription. Haruna, in this day and age, when both academic materials and proper journals can be securely access online, when books are now in portable computerise (digital form), i wonder why the gentleman is keen to let us know that he receives the hard copy of the economist? I wonder. Talk about refusing to march ahead with time. Good news for the Gunners: JAY-Z want to invest in the club, Spike Lee is our big fan as well. Haruna, I also commend your analysis of the actual case in question, Justice Njie. As you opined, they knew full well Yahya will never allow them to do their jobs independently, yet they agree to take the positions, hence she should face the music. The accusations are that of financial misappropriate. I also learnt that, the Nigerians has taken over our legal profession, thanks to the sack Justice Secretary. The gentleman's anger is as a result months of disheartening comments he couldn't bear coming from my end. He has already made up his mind to insult me, emptying his heart's delight on me. I am happy that, he is relieve of his burden. Why get inflamed over Rwanda whilst our stakes are the Gambia. And why be bothered about what I do with my party of choice? It is fascinating. It is reported that, Kegame's own government has in it genocidal maniacs who still boast about their Tutsiness, let him clean up those sick folks before branding others 'divisionist'. Room for improvement. The gentleman's quest to get personal is understandable. if it helps him have a good enough sleep, it is fine by me. Say all you like against Suntou, i am sure your friends will tap your shoulder for it, as for me, i will enjoy my green tea and think of another subject. My old advise is that, stop being rude, calm down and remember that, people will be disappointed in you for using foul language. Suntou On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Ok Olfactor. So you say Suntou changed the topic first. And you went right along with the changed topic. You see what I mean about you needing help Olfactor? I'm just kidding men. Let's chuck this one to a comedy of errors Olfactor. I promise I got loads of other more significant stuff for you. Please. I don't know why you're always on edge. I thought that was Giuseppe, but I swear you're worse than my friend Giuseppe. But for his unnecessary disdain for Hon. Hamat, theguy is a wonderful fellow. "If you want to hide from Hamat go to Gambia". Men you guys are experts at low blows. Even Evian can't top that. What????? WHy are you bringing Giuseppe into this discussion. I thought he were your friend????? Olfactor you really need help. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 9:21 pm Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE? Haruiner, Low blows will not do! Varify yours first. Didn't your side kick bring in Kagame into the discussion. Mboge On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Ehhh Olfactor, I am not your companion. Don't tell me someone changed our discussion when you were the veritable detractor. And don't tell me you're a man of your own when we are trying to discern if you're a man first. I am not your companion. And are you a Pan-African??? Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:28 pm Subject: Re: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE? Haruiner, As usual, you've woken up and dittoing has began. Your stupid friend moonlighting as the political analyst changed a strictly legal discussion to comparing apples and oranges. There is nothing comparable between Kagame and a rogue like Jammeh. Tell me about what jungle justice i am running away and what havoc did i participate in to warrant my coming to live in the west. Persona delinquencies and inadequacies, what load of BS I am a man of my own and I am not seeking yours or anyones approval for anything. Talk of trashy and nonesensical self-delusional importance. Mboge On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Suntou, Thank you for your common sense. The problem with some of these folk is that they participated in the wrecking of Africa before they fled jungle justice or they had buyer's remorse once they settled in their new western homes. And they blame their personal delinquencies and inadequacies on the west. I say they brush their teeth before they speak to me about Africa or Africans. How you change a conversation about law and jurisprudence to a defense of kagame is beyond me. kagame's person or character was not in question......however you feel about the man. Extradition requests are between Judicial branches and nations. Not between Presidents or other idiots. Thank you again for your marked sobrieties Suntou. Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:17 am Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE? The gentle man who wishes to make some us look like uncaring Africans, hence not qualify in advocating anything African should take a good at himself and his place of domicile. Many a times we read and hear our Pan-Africanist brothers resident in Europe and America for decades lecturing us about Euro-American this and that on Africans.. How self-serving these brothers are. If you wish to take the moral high ground on Africa, then do the decent thing and parachute to the West, East, South or Central Africa, then try screaming from the rooftop there, hopefully people will pay attention to the nonsensical out pouring of cheap emotion. Some of this So call Pan-Africanist hardly ever venture into Africa, yet they feel singing Pan-Africa enough in making words relevant, give us a break. The economist Magazine has nothing to lose or gain in the articles some of its commentators write about Africa. Can we for once see things in their right context instead fancying around hanging onto our own baggage of partisan politics. If anyone is educated in the west, you must without a question read books, be lectured by western professors and enjoy the western way of live. What moral ground do you have to see others as less of an African than you are? Below is the Economist Magazine's article on Kegame and Rwanda. In fact the article acknowledge the level of financial discipline the government of Kegame is instituting, yet the other facts cannot be left unspoken about because one is doing something’s right and other major wrongs. We should delineate cheap emotion from serious issues _http://w ww.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15622375_ (http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15622375) Progress and repression in Rwanda Divisionists beware President Paul Kagame has improved people’s lives at the expense of freedom Mar 4th 2010 | NAIROBI | From The Economist print edition Kagame, progressive and repressive THE government of Rwanda is doing a lot of things right. It is pretty open in its handling of aid money. Most foreign governments and charities are so impressed by its detailed plans and apparent lack of corruption that they are funnelling more of their aid directly through Rwanda’s government. President Paul Kagame says he expects direct budget support to rise by a quarter this year, to $519m. The country has recovered valiantly from its year zero in 1994, when 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered. Its centralised state is leading the way in economic and technological reform in the region. It is improving the country’s infrastructure, education and farming, and seeks to preserve its ecology. It pushes equality for women, who comprise half the government and parliament. On the diplomatic front, Mr Kagame has been equally successful. He has sent troops to help keep the peace in Sudan’s Darfur province and elsewhere. He has stood up to mighty France, blaming it, as the region’s then most influential Western power, for failing to prevent the genocide. And last month the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, came to Rwanda and offered something close to an apology. France, he said, had committed “grave errors of judgment” before, during, and after the genocide. Questions linger about the role of French special forces during the killing, as well as the fate of Hutus living in France whom Rwanda wants extradited on suspicion of involvement in the genocide. France, for its part, has not dropped charges against some members of Mr Kagame’s government who are alleged to have ordered the shooting down of a French aircraft carrying Rwanda’s then president, Juvénal Habyarimana, a Hutu; that action triggered the genocide. Yet both countries now appear more at ease with each other. Days after Mr Sarkozy’s visit, Mr Habyarimana’s widow, Agathe, was arrested near Paris (and then freed on bail) for questioning over her alleged role in the genocide. French businessmen came in Mr Sarkozy’s slipstream, eyeing minerals and timber in neighbouring Congo, for which Rwanda is a conduit. “There is no doubt this is a reconciliation,” says a Rwandan government figure. Yet awkward question-marks hang over Mr Kagame and his ruling Rwandan Patriotic Front. The president’s detractors say his party has not owned up to killing thousands of civilians immediately after the genocide or to responsibility for causing much bloodshed in Congo, which it invaded in order to hunt down the génocidaires who had fled there. The Congolese government, it may be noted, has co-operated with the Rwandans in their more recent incursions into Congo. Mr Kagame and his government are stifling political and press freedom in advance of a presidential election due in August. He is almost certain to win but evidently he is determined to secure a big majority to implement his “one Rwanda” policies. Opposition parties have been forbidden to “use words or facts that defame other politicians”. In practice, the government can label any criticism against it as “divisionism”, which entitles it to lock up the offenders. Members of the opposition say they are spied on and bullied. It is unclear whether the government will let the Democratic Green Party, a feisty new opposition group, be registered. If not, the Greens say they will back another lot, the Socialist Party-Imberakuri, which should be able to run a presidential candidate. The head of a third opposition party, the United Democratic Forces-Inkingi, Victoire Ingabire, says she has been vilified since returning from exile in January. The government, she says, has encouraged people to assault her, accusing her of being a génocidaire. This week a former military intelligence chief, Kayumba Nyamwasa, who was reported to have joined the Greens, fled Rwanda and is said to be claiming asylum in South Africa. The government says he is wanted on criminal charges—presumably divisionism. End. Going back to our own dictators corridors, What is it that his supporter are fuming against us about? They are saying, the man is a dictator of development and that he is fighting against corruption. He has given women more power and rights. His Vice-President is a woman. At some point in his government, there were more women in his government as Ministers than the previous administration. All that the gentleman is promoting Kegame for, Yahya Jammeh was once hail with those same things. Should there be any reason for the cubing of civil rights and plurality of views? Is Kegame himself innocent of pumping tribal issues in politics? In fact, Kegame's men in the army including the high ranking female officer play the card more than many others. Check their own Google images Mr Gentleman. I have seen images of the Rwandan army's latest incursion of Congo, the close senior officers bragging about their prejudicial influences. These things aren’t as simple as the gentleman is making it out to be. Nothing should compromise tolerant co-existence, and the opposition views is a key part to ensuring the population is represented at all levels. Kegame's propaganda alone shouldn't be listened to at the expense of others. He should be commended for lots of things, but he also needs to understand that framing words against his opponent is not healthy for the future stability of the country. Some of us are less of a Pan-African, however, we know the working of a genuine democracy. Advocates of Europeanism live in Europe. let our Pan-African folks migrate to Africa, instead of crying wolf in western towns and cities. Let not your bias of folks make you blind to their views. Stop been haste over public issues. Take a deep breath and read the material before jumping to conclusion. LJ, thanks for your sober and intelligent analysis always. Long may we have many non-partisan like you. Speaking the facts regardless of who it come from. Saddly, folks here seems to look at names, party afilliation, some ignoble little gangs before saying anything tangible. You have shown to be above such petty mantra. Suntou Suntou On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Mboge You are absolutely right that "Four men accused of taking part in the 1994 Rwandan genocide win their High Court battle against extradition" was "strictly premised on the significance of the Legal precedence it sets for 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping persecution". Specifically, I was thinking about Justice Safiatou Njie (Justice Njie) and whether The Gambia Government is likely to succeed in having her extradited by the UK. Although her alleged crimes are not political, the whole mechanism of Gambian justice is heavily entangled in political calculations. She is not likely to get a fair trial, and as a requirement of Article 6 of the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR), now statutorily incorporated into UK law by the Human Rights Act 1998 (HRA 1998), her chance of eluding extradition is looking good. Even as the Rwandan decision is a brilliant exemplification of the rule of law, I have to agree with you that the High Court decision was a difficult one on moral grounds. I am unsure why Rwanda did not seek their extradition for onward delivery to the International Criminal Tribunal Rwanda (ICTR), based in the Tanzanian city of Arusha. For Rwanda, it should not matter where these alleged criminals are prosecuted. The evidence is suggestive of some involvement by all four in the '94 genocide. In that case, common sense would dictate that they be prosecuted for their alleged crimes, and where found legally culpable, adequately punished. Undoubtedly, the political arm of government was keen to have them extradited, but the Judiciary blocked that wish on the explicit command of both European, and UK law. Stated differently, the High Court probably hated the outcome, but there was a clear obligation to implement the law as it is. You are right that under other circumstances, these laws can work quite well for "genuine asylum seekers". This particular decision was nevertheless quite agonising. As to Kagame, I defer to your expertise on the man, and his vision. What he must do, and this sooner than he may prefer, is to create an environment that allows his vision to incrementally mature even as he himself no longer leads Rwanda. No one person can fully develop a country, and in my view, this means that every African leader, and, or, ruler, must come to terms with his/her own mortality. Only then will a mighty continent actualise its great potential by making use of the major part of the talent at its disposal. Many thanks for a fine response, and advocacy. Do you think the Gambia's extradition request regarding Justice Njie should succeed? Regards LJDarbo --- On Sun, 21/3/10, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > Subject: Re: Fw: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case - PRECEDENT FOR FORMER HIGH COURT JUDGE SAFIATOU NJIE? To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 17:38 LJD, I guess your sharing the judgement on the Rwandans by the High Court of the UK was strictly premised on the significance of the Legal precedence it sets for 'fugitives' claiming to be escaping persecution. I hope it is not presumptuous of me that you had in mind the Gambian female judicial employee currently in the UK apparently running away from Gambian justice a la Jammeh when you shared the ruling. I assume that it is no rocket science that this ruling will provide protection for the corrupt criminals, genocidaires and their apologists from being brought to justice where it matters ie where their alleged crimes were committed. It seems the so-called High Court Judges are more concerned with the human rights of vile genocidaires than those genuine asylum seekers whose fear of being killed and tortured in their homeland is consistently ignored and questioned and in some instances ridiculed by Western media pandering to the right-wing politics of the "other" coming to take our jobs and scrounging on our generous welfare systems. Im no lawyer but i hope this ruling also can be useful to genuine asylum seekers. Reading a response to the article you shared by our "descerner extraordinaire on this forum" comparing our criminal outfit headed by a deranged buffoon in the person of SHEPAD Jammeh gave me zits as well as being squirmish for a while. The realities of Gambia and Rwanda are markedly different. Kagame and Jammeh are poles apart. Kagame is a smart and patriotic leader, a visionary engaged in healing a traumatized people, one fighting a good fight in ushering in a new nation based on functioning institutions. The howling on this divisionism by the Economist is in my view an irrelevant unworthy distraction. Kagame should take no advise or lecturing from a rabidly anti-African magazine that once ran a feature cover story by Richard Dowden on Africa: The Hopeless Continent. It may be true that many an African country is marred by hunger, conflict and strife yet i have no doubt that if anything the African peoples are mostly hopeful and optimistic about the future. This may be sometimes wrongly attributed to fatalism. Of course there still remains a lot to be done in terms of democracy and human rights in Rwanda but one must acknowledge the giant strides already achieved in relation to these ideals. It is work in progress that is being managed very well under extremely difficult circumstances. Rwanda under Kagame boast one of the most enlightened gender equality legislatures in the world. And this goes beyond just symbolic balancing of the sexes in terms of representation (given that 33% of the Rwandan Parliament is female) in politics. Women compete and participate in all sectors of Rwanda society. There is evidence of substantive and particapatory democracy in everyday life of the ordinary Rwandan. The economy in Rwanda is booming, civil society is being built and their advocacy left, right and centre permeates in and at all levels of society. Under Kagame's Rwanda a state by all standards that failed, has emerged way ahead of many African countries in terms of health care access to its denizens. There is national health insurance for virtually all Rwandans. With Rwanda now on the right path to development and substantive participatory democracy i join the hoard of admirers wishing the Kagame juggernaut to keep steaming ahead. I do also hope that the juggernaut also destroys and annihilate all the negative forces trying to block it especially those coated in ethnicity. Ethnicity is important but not to the detriment of building a prosperous Rwandan nation that concerns herself with providing peace, prosperity and progress to its people. There exists a genuine concern by those trying to deny the horrid genocide that took place in 1994. Politicians such as Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza trying to play on ethnic sentiments must be reigned in. This does not mean that people should be denied the right to associate with the ethnic skirt they want to wear as long as it is not to villify or create schisms between and among their brethren and sisters. Afterall the Tutsi and Hutu are from the same family of Bantu-speaking peoples. But if not for a sad historical constructionism perpetrated by colonialists based on banal concepts such as the Hamitic Hypothesis , the Tutsi-Hutu dichotomous relationship might have been avoided. I shall not suffer the esteem lot of this forum on the nitty-gritty of this racist hypothesis which helped in the pogroms of the Tutusis in 1959 and the genocide of 1994. We have seen the shenanigans of France and some other northern governments trying to stifle the progress and development of Rwanda since the RPF came into power. I will have Kagame any day as my leader compared to the rogues we have splattered across our wounded continent irresponsibly abusing the noble ideals of democracy and human rights. Best, Mboge On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: LJ, reading the economies Magazine edition of last week, i can see similar tactics in the arena of suppression of opposition views in Rwanda to that our own mad man. Kegame's government invented a dangerous term 'divisionist'. This term is label against opponents of the government with the country's sad past. The genocidal past was trigger by tribal sentiment, hence the divisionist concept. It is interesting how our guys invent this sinister strategies to suppress alternative views. Key members of the opposition are regularly accused of being guilty of genocide, a tack one is unable to free himself from. Suntou On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: --- On Fri, 19/3/10, LJD <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: From: LJD <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > Subject: BBC E-mail: Rwanda accused win UK court case To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 0:08 LJD saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Rwanda accused win UK court case ** Four men accused of taking part in the 1994 Rwandan genocide win their High Court battle against extradition < _http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7989534.stm_ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7989534.stm) > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < _http://www.bbc.co.uk/email_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/email) > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. 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