And you are still alive PPG to grace us with your magnificent company. I  
would have slapped the shit out of him if I were in your position or have him 
 arrested for making threatening remarks to me. What an idiot that man. 
Anyway  there'll be a next time. Call me.
 
Haruna.
 
 
In a message dated 4/1/2010 4:09:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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A few  poeple dare challenge what obviously has been fraudulent claim to 
mysterious  magical powers. We need men with guts like this Indian whose 
courage earned  him much more admiration than a proclaimed "Demi-god". The story 
is also a  classic reminder of a similar episode i got entangled in sometime 
in the late  90s while i was going to the Provincial town of Basse.

It all started  when i was on a GPTC bus to Basse several hundred miles 
away from Banjul. At a  Stop in Brikamaba, a passenger got off the Bus, and i 
took over his seat. You  would think this would not generate a controversy, 
but it sure did. Suddenly  an old man, standing up passenger began to murmur 
that young people of this  generation have no respect for elders and all 
that crap.... I pretended no to  know what he was saying. And he became more 
vocal, unleashing a barrage of  insults. 

I cannot pretend not to know what his feelings were any  longer, as he came 
and stood right over me and contunued his tirade. I took  the opportunity 
to inform him that i have been standing since kombo Brikama  and i was 
completely exhausted. Little did i know that opening my mouth was  what the man 
needed to go ballistic. "Do you know who you are talking to? Do  you want to 
see the light of the day tomorrow?". "Who are you anyway? Go ahead  and make 
good your threats"  This caused some drama in the bus as  everyone started 
pleading with the man and urging me to back down, because  this man seem to 
have some super natural powers. I calmly  told them to  stop pleading to the 
man on my behalf because i needed the man to man to go  ahead with his 
treats of killing  me.

pa-Pierre












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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:17:35 AM GMT  -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Reason Will Always Prevail : Sceptic  challenges guru to kill him 
live on TV

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From The Times  March 19, 2010

Sceptic challenges guru to kill him live on  TV

Pandit Surender Sharma tries to kill Sanal Edamaruku live  on
television: the rationalist didn't look too worried
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Jeremy Page, Delhi
When a famous tantric guru boasted on  television that he could kill
another man using only his mystical powers,  most viewers either gasped
in awe or merely nodded unquestioningly. Sanal  Edamaruku’s response
was different. “Go on then — kill me,” he  said.

Mr Edamaruku had been invited to the same talk show as head of  the
Indian Rationalists’ Association — the country’s  self-appointed
sceptic-in-chief. At first the holy man, Pandit Surender  Sharma, was
reluctant, but eventually he agreed to perform a series of  rituals
designed to kill Mr Edamaruku live on television. Millions tuned in  as
the channel cancelled scheduled programming to continue  broadcasting
the showdown, which can still be viewed on  YouTube.

First, the master chanted mantras, then he sprinkled water on  his
intended victim. He brandished a knife, ruffled the sceptic’s hair  and
pressed his temples. But after several hours of similar antics,  Mr
Edamaruku was still very much alive — smiling for the cameras  and
taunting the furious holy man.

“He was over, finished,  completely destroyed!” Mr Edamaruku chuckles
triumphantly as he concludes  the tale in the Rationalist Centre, his
second-floor office in the town of  Noida, just outside Delhi.

Rationalising India has never been easy.  Given the country’s vast
population, its pervasive poverty and its dizzying  array of ethnic
groups, languages and religions, many deem it  impossible.

Nevertheless, Mr Edamaruku has dedicated his life to  exposing the
charlatans — from levitating village fakirs to televangelist  yoga
masters — who he says are obstructing an Indian Enlightenment. He  has
had a busy month, with one guru arrested over prostitution,  another
caught in a sex-tape scandal, a third kidnapping a female follower  and
a fourth allegedly causing a stampede that killed 63  people.

This week India’s most popular yoga master, Baba Ramdev,  announced
plans to launch a political party, promising to cleanse India  of
corruption and introduce the death penalty for slaughtering  cows.
Then, on Wednesday, police arrested a couple in Maharashtra state  on
suspicion of killing five boys on the advice of a tantric master  who
said their sacrifice would help the childless couple to  conceive.

“The immediate goal I have is to stop these fraudulent babas  and
gurus,” says Mr Edamaruku, 55, a part-time journalist and  publisher
from the southern state of Kerala. “I want people to make their  own
decisions. They should not be guided by ignorance, but by  knowledge.

“I’d like to see a post-religious society — that would be an  ideal
dream, but I don’t know how long it would take.”

His  organisation traces its origins to the 1930s when the “Thinker’s
Library”  series of books, published by Britain’s Rationalist Press
Association, were  first imported to India. They included works by
Aldous Huxley, Charles  Darwin and H.G. Wells; among the early
subscribers was Jawaharlal Nehru,  India’s first Prime Minister.

The Indian Rationalist Association was  founded officially in Madras in
1949 with the encouragement of the British  philosopher Bertrand
Russell, who sent a long letter of congratulations.  For the next three
decades it had no more than 300 members and focused on  publishing
pamphlets and debating within the country’s intellectual  elite.

But since Mr Edamaruku took over in 1985, it has grown into  a
grass-roots organisation of more than 100,000 members — mainly  young
professionals, teachers and students — covering most of India.  Members
now spend much of their time investigating and  reverse-engineering
“miracles” performed by self-styled holy men who often  claim millions
of followers and amass huge wealth from  donations.

One common trick they expose is levitation, usually done  using an
accomplice who lies on the ground under a blanket and then raises  his
upper body while holding out two hockey sticks under the blanket  to
make it look like his feet are also rising. “It’s quite easy  really,”
said Mr Edamaruku, who teaches members to perform the tricks  in
villages and then explains how they are done, or demonstrates them  at
press conferences.

Other simple tricks include walking on hot  coals (the skin does not
burn if you walk fast enough) and lying on a bed  of nails (your weight
is spread evenly across the bed). The “weeping  statue” trick is
usually done by melting a thin layer of wax covering a  small deposit
of water.

Some tricks require closer scrutiny. One  guru in the state of Andhra
Pradesh used to boil a pot of tea using a small  fire on his head. The
secret was to place a non-conductive pad made of  compacted wheat flour
between his head and the fire. “I was so excited when  I exposed him. I
should have been more reasonable but sometimes you get so  angry,” he
said. “I cried: ‘Look, even I can do this and I’m not a baba —  I’m a
rationalist!’.”

Another swami — who conducted funeral rites  for Indira Gandhi, the
Prime Minister who was assassinated in 1984 — used  to appear to create
fire by pouring ghee, clarified butter, on to ash and  then staring at
the mixture until it burst into flames. The “ghee” was  glycerine and
the “ash” was potassium permanganate, two chemicals that  spontaneously
combust within about two minutes of being mixed  together.

Exposing such tricks can be risky. A guru called Balti  (Bucket) Baba
once smashed a burning hot clay pot in Mr Edamaruku’s face  after he
revealed that the holy man was using a heat resistant pad to pick  it
up.

The chief rationalist was almost arrested by the government  of Kerala
for revealing that it was behind an annual apparition of flames  in the
night sky — in fact, several state officials lighting bonfires on  a
nearby hill — which attracted millions of pilgrims. Despite  his
efforts, he admits that people still go to the festival and  continue
to revere self-styled holy men.

One reason is that Indian  politicians nurture and shelter gurus to
give them spiritual credibility,  use their followers as vote banks, or
to mask sexual or criminal activity.  That explains why India’s
Parliament has never tightened the 1954 Drugs and  Magic Remedies Act,
under which the maximum punishment is two months in  prison and a 2,000
rupee (£29) fine.

Another reason is that  educated, middle-class Indians are feeling
increasingly alienated from  mainstream religion but still in need of
spiritual sustenance. “When  traditional religion collapses people
still need spirituality,” he says.  “So they usually go one of two
directions: towards extremism and  fundamentalism or to these kinds of
people.”

Since richer, urban  Indians have little time for long pilgrimages or
pujas (prayer ceremonies),  they are often attracted by holy men who
offer instant gratification — for  a fee. The development of the Indian
media over the past decade has also  allowed some holy men to reach
ever larger audiences via television and the  internet. “Small ones
have gone out of business while the big ones have  become like
corporations,” says Mr Edamaruku.

But the media  revolution has also helped Mr Edamaruku, who made 225
appearances on  television last year, and gets up to 70 inquiries about
membership daily.  Thanks to his confrontation in 2008 with the tantric
master, the  rationalist is now a national celebrity, too.

When the guru’s initial  efforts failed, he accused Mr Edamaruku of
praying to gods to protect him.  “No, I’m an atheist,” came the
response. The holy man then said he needed  to conduct a ritual that
could only be done at night, outdoors, and after  he had slept with a
woman, drunk alcohol and rubbed himself in  ash.

The men agreed to go to an outdoor studio that night — all to  no
avail. At midnight, the anchor declared the contest over. Reason  had
prevailed.





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