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Uncle, indeed Chief Ebrima Manneh, Deyda Hydara and Kanyiba Kanyi are not created by your imagined alliances and I did not suggest so. And to say that my conclusion that going by your imagined alliances we should prepare for more scenarios of the aforementioned trio’s situations is unfounded, is only true in your Nagorno Karabach.
What I counseled is that with your those alliances, the system that gave us the problems of the said trio’s will triumph unlike your postulation that it will enhance multiparty democracy. And that by extension you should hone your fund-raising skills further to help offer solace to more families of imminent victims of the system.
In your "large mind" you can conclude that my views equals "a unitary opposition alliance" yielding same victims. I thought larger minds fathoms much better. Or is your mind a small one too as you accuse others, Uncle?
Yes, I will continue sharing Forovda so you and your likes will know happenings in our country as your might not get them from any other source especially that you are now doubting some other reports. You can also continue sharing your Zone II West Africa freebies as Mboge reminds us, just don’t ever again tell us that Bobo is in Ivory Coast and continue accusing the Ivorien’s of crimes they commit not.
Uncle, it is you who missed Mr Camara’s points entirely. The man from the go tells us that he was sharing "examples from other countries [as it may be] vital for the
way forward [in the political discourse in the Gambia", my emphasis.
What those this mean Uncle? For you to quip that "What Camara shares is that Sweden's society being multi-ethnic, she found that she cannot premise electoral success on pandering to ethnic groups and regions" is your own imagination. I no nothing of Swedish party politics being ethnic based. I will check on this to understand it much better. What is clear though as wikipedia tells us is parties in Sweden allied on the basis of ideological stands and this is what exactly what Camara meant by block politics to me.
And even looking at the alliance structures further as put together by wikipedia, one could even notice that the alliance was not strictly ideological if one is to go by the parties names. However, I took wiki’s view that: "The opposition parties decided that this [the domination of Swedish politics by the Social Democrats] was partly because they did not present a clear and viable alternative government."
Uncle, to me this is the fundamental reason why the present governing alliance in Sweden is in power after decades of political dominance by the Social Democrats. But for you "larger minds" people any talk of uniting the opposition in the Gambia is about total union. This has never been the case at least for my party PDOIS even as we went into the NADD alliance. It was all and will always be in my opinion for a transiting of the present system into a level multi party democracy for all to participate equally. But for you, you can think otherwise. Maybe that is why your party now tries to beat the drum for the NRP. Anyway, don’t just gulp them up as the NCP did to the remnants of the UP after the PPP scraped the better part of it.
My reason for bringing up the differences in our political system with that of the Swedes was to outline why we cannot go their way as you my Uncle said your beloved and normal country Mali is about to follow. Because the Swedes has a parliamentary system that elects it government from the party that has the most seats in it’s parliament, parties have to form alliances based on common ground to be able to form a government otherwise there would be a stalemate.
The benefit Gambia can make out of this is the identifying of a common ground despite having differing views on how to move Swedish society ahead in their various manifestoes as said by wikipedia. The other lesson is because the current members of the governing alliance were in the doldrums of Swedish politics for so long, they finally decided allying on some common issues and presenting themselves under such agreements to the Swedish people held better chance for them to take over power and move their country under such agreed terms than in their individual party ways.
For us it is of a different system that those not rely on parliamentary majorities to form a government hence it should not aspire to govern sina-die based on alliances of parties but rather it is to bring about a change of the system that maintains the current status quo on a transitional basis and put in place a level playing for any to participate. In this sphere I take Camara’s point in good faith but not my supposed "larger" minded Uncle’s literary gimmicks.
Nyang
--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Block politics ( a narrative by Ebrima Kamara)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 9:22 AM
Dad, you're very funny. Unfortunately you use the wrong people and their plight to be funny.
[In a message dated 4/21/2010 5:48:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Dad, [log in to unmask] writes:
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"A UDP/NRP/GMC alliance and a PDOIS/ppp and an APRC/NCP alliance could be very efficient. This will both temper APRC's extremes and energise the opposition alliances at the same time." Uncle Haruna.
Uncle, with the above quote from your posting it is better you improve your fundraising skills for more victims of the Chief Ebrima Manneh, Kanyiba Kanyi and Deyda Hydara kinds, because the alliance that reigns supreme today will continue to do so for a long time.] Dad.
Dad, in the foregoing quip, you misunderstood my theory and you go on to extrapolate your misunderstanding in offending other. Victims like chief Ebrima Manneh, Kanyibaa Kanyi, and Deyda Hydara are not created by UDP/NRP/GMC, PDOIS/ppp, or APRC/ncp alliances. They are created by criminals. If you propose that having these alliances will yield victims like the trio persons, you are making unfounded allegations about prospective communion. Therefore, and by extension, a unitary opposition alliance will also yield victims like Chief, Kanyibaa, and Deyda. Do you see the seriousness and impropriety of your "comedy" of error? If I were you, I'd stick to sharing Forovda.
[Camara did well in sharing the politics of Sweden with us but in his attempt to sell the idea that Gambia's political opposition could learn from thier Swedish counterparts, he fell short of also sharing that the Swedes operates in a PARLIAMENTARY system whilst in the Gambia we have the PRESIDENTIAL or EXECUTIVE system.] Dad.
Dad, you miss the entire premise of Mr. Camara's counsel. Mr. Camara was not suggesting Gambia COPY Sweden's system of government. Whatever that may be. A system is what you make it to be Dad. What Camara shares is that Sweden's society being multi-ethnic, she found that she cannot premise electoral success on pandering to ethnic groups and regions. That coalitions of the various ethnicities around relevant issues - Life issues, (which number more than the ethnicities and regions) seems to further the NATION's development and growth goals more than narrower ethnic and regional interests. This is the value that Mali also gleans from Sweden's democratic dispensation. You misunderstand Camara's idea thoroughly. I suggest you review it further. We are not interested in the system of government just yet. We are here interested in the best way to harness the value of multiple ethnicities. The system follows from the fundamental structure.
[Like in Britain, a system where the executve is formed by the party with the highest number of seats in Parliament coaliations/alliances has has been the means through which governments are formed were non of the parties commands an absulute majority.] Dad.
I see where your problem is Dad, and that is why you misunderstood Camara thoroughly. In your mind, Camara infers numbers. Without going into the merits or demerits of your assessment of the British system of government, I will only advise you to stick to the extant matter of your understanding of Camara. In Camara's notes, you will recognize that the value in issues (the economy, taxes, environment, education, family, the constitution, etcetera) are given more weight than numbers of persons or seats.
[Gambia is a different scenario altogether and worst still, NO more second round of voting. And it was interesting when i visited wikipedia on the Swedish system. below i quote the relevant portion.] Dad.
ANd Mali is a different society altogether. Benin, Burkina Faso, Britain, America, Denmark, Finland, Nagorno Karabach all have different scenarios altogether. One thing they all share in common is that their scenarios have issues that number more than their ethnic and regional constitutions. I read the quotation below that you lifted from Wiki-wiki. I think it is much out of place given your (mis)understanding of Camara. Take care Dad.
Haruna. BTW, Saihou says he knows you and he will appreciate any effort by you to help coordinate a demonstration in Newyork for the freedom of Femi Peters. Femi Peters is Saihou's friend and coleague, and Saihou was very excited at the prospect of your offering to help. Thank you for you.
" Swedish politics had been dominated by the Social Democratic Party for over 70 years. They had been in government for all but nine years (summer of 1936, 1976–1982, 1991–1994) since 1932. The opposition parties decided that this was partly because they did not present a clear and viable alternative government. At a meeting held in the Centre Party leader Maud Olofsson's home in the village of Högfors, the four party leaders decided to form an alliance. The meeting ended on 31 August 2004 with the presentation of a joint declaration outlining the principles under which the four parties intended to fight the election. [1] A year later a similar meeting was held at Christian Democrat leader Göran Hägglund's home in Bankeryd, resulting in the affirmation of the alliance and another declaration."
Nyang
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Block politics ( a narrative by Ebrima Kamara)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:03 PM
Critical thinking and good inspiration from Mr. Camara. Thanx for sharing Suntou. Mali by the3 way follows Sweden's example in governance and electioneering. They cannot afford anything else. In fact all multi-ethnic societies will do well by following Sweden's platform and then customizing that platform from issues point of view, not ethnicity or region. This is exactly why you do not need a total union of all opposition parties into one to govern because that in itself stifles democracy which you propound to be your goal in governance. A UDP/NRP/GMC alliance and a PDOIS/ppp and an APRC/NCP alliance could be very efficient. This will both temper APRC's extremes and energise the opposition alliances at the same time. Meaning that regardless of which alliance is in power, governance can only be completed through democracy. All bets are off when you have a fruitcake tyrant masquerading as President. In this case the tyrant has to be surgically removed even as political parties complete alliance-making. Nothing will work with a criminal heading any party or nation.
Allez. Suntou and Mr. Camara. Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: suntou touray < [log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 4:38 am
Subject: Block politics ( a narrative by Ebrima Kamara)
I think the gentleman came up with something worth looking at.
Suntou
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