Suntou, i have publicly shared that i am now living in the US so for you to try to use the Foroyaa editorial to confirm my being a disporan now is of no essence to me.   At PDOIS and Foroyaa by extension, people are free to express their views are they deem fit in a constructive manner. That is how i grew up in the system and served in various capacities at both the party and Foroyaa. So, don't think this is anything new to us. We had held differing views in the past, had them now and is most likely to have them in the future but the most important thing is we always find common ground to move ahead. It is democracy at it's best. That is why i can freely speak my mind to any of the party officers at PDOIS likewise at Foroyaa.   So, let everyone speak their mind.   Regarding what you meant by your statement that STGDP should be bold to table a UDP party led alliance for negotiation between the opposition parties, cannot be substituted by another explaination. You clearly stated what is in your mind. Or do you want Uncle Haruna to enroll you in his English remedial classes. You need it more than any here on this forum. --- On Thu, 4/22/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: STGDP on GRTS International To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:54 AM Haruna, the UDP is not waiting for any group to create any alliance or coalition for them. What I was in short saying is that, since the STDGP tasked themselves to bring opposing political parties together, i was suggesting that, they put forward a proposal and let the party leaders sit over it. The central issues i query is the lack trust and confidentiality. If say, Hamat and OJ decided to pursue a certain idea, before the real idea is seriously discuss, one of them start erudit-ing over it, this will in short dismantle all confidence the two men should utilise in arriving at a concrete end. The STDGP is not a body that will make any coalition or alliance work, they can only facilitate. And the facilitation will not be left in their hands alone, this is why, i made similar claims that, UDP members should hence forth continue sending their ideas and support to the party as soon as possible.   Modou Nyang, thanks for bring the foroyaa editorial, good to know you are now in diaspora.   LJ, i comprehend your position. I respect Joe's opinion, and I am on record saying so. However, the fears are that, his one sided attack on UDP and Ousainou cannot be equated to that of mine. Should i wish to play a part in coalition negotiation, i shall ceased all my criticism of Halifa's politics, and i will publicly declare it. Joe is under no obligation to play a part in bringing the opposition groups together just like Mandela was under no obligation to fight for a free and equal South Africa. In fact, many freedom efforts in Africa commences in diaspora. The current Zimbabwe political power sharing emanates chiefly from Zimbawean diasporans. We are all risking our comfort by encouraging and playing a part in the democratic efforts in the Gambia. We are all united in that regard LJ. Many of our peers are quietly doing their things and benefiting from what undemocratic Gambia offers them, so Joe is contributing a lot toward the ongoing dialogue, it just happen that, I disagree sometimes with his statements. Suntou On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote: Dad,   I must agree with you here. I have no idea why Suntou expects STGDPDOIS to form his party-led alliance for him. Why can't Suntou or his party do it for themselves. They already have a party-led alliance in UDP/NRP. They should improve on that and add GMC, then PDOIS, then ppp, then ncp, where possible. Hell at the end of the day, APRC might abandon the criminal Yahya and his gang to join that comprehensive party-led alliance. You never know do you?   I think you are right. Suntou ought not place an undue burden on STGDPDOIS. Khalas. Haruna.   In a message dated 4/21/2010 5:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask] writes: "STDG should be bold as to say, we propose a party led alliance, with the bigger party leading the coalition."   Suntou, so STGDP could only be bold when they tow your party's line. Why not your party do it instead of asking others to do it on their behalf?   The sooner you start using all your senses the better for you. The Halifa you choose as your worst enemy is a representative of a party. --- On Tue, 4/20/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: STGDP on GRTS International To: [log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 5:56 AM Joe, my head is always up, I never put any interest in the work of STDG, hence I don't know who is who in there. When i came across the Pasamba forward, I took the opportunity to listen. To my chagrin, there i heard you talking. I know Joe speak as he sees it, however, when one is involve in diplomatically bringing together diverse political groups, one should remember his/her public comments. This is why, in all sensitive dialogues, even the media is sideline until a breakthrough is achieve. The Northern Ireland political situation is a classic example. From what I heard yesterday, you didn't say anything bordering on favouring your party (PDOIS) as against the rest. Where you guys are still missing the point is that, Halifa is not a politician who will accept the invitation of Ousainou. You guys are looking at him as if you don't know how Halifa operates. We all know from Halifa's past write-ups , the STDG is the last group he gives any credence to. I can provide his own written proof to that effect. The STDG's efforts are commendable, but it is my strong belief that, its members need to be aware of the ramifications of their public individual statements. What Joe says in an open and frank manner, can be a serious hindrance through your involvement in apolitical movement. I am not in any way trying to stop the good members here benefiting from your honest opinions. However, so far as partisan politics is concern, we need to have confidence in your neutrality, if not all you say will bounce of concrete walls. Joe's views equals Halifa's party line, and that will only come clear whenever you try your best hammering Ousainou and UDP. I can handle your criticism of Ousainou, and so can Ousainou, this is why, I don't get bog down in bitter exchanges. But the STDG cannot be complaining of people turning on each whilst many of its members sympathise openly with Halifa.  I respect the views of Sika Jagne, sorry sister for spelling your name wrongly. She said some good stuffs, and I for one can trust her brokeage. Banka too express sound opinions, however he too seems to have place the burden of the work on UDP. We accept the reasoning, but he fail also to know that, Halifa is not a politician who thinks others should invite him for dialogue. The Agenda 2011 is a proof of that. And Banka by the way, the Agenda 2011 is only being sold to guys in the cyberspace, not to Gambians on the ground. And that Agenda is Halifa certificate, telling us all that, only through bargaining with it will he agree to the selection of a flagbearer. A process that will take only those who agree with the content of the document, which will in short be PDOIS members. The rest of the UDP, NRP, and others are left out. The final analysis meaning, Halifa will be voted in as the NADD flagbrearer, resulting in what happen the last time. From the get go, all the party leaders should have trust and confidence in STDG. STDG should be bold as to say, we propose a party led alliance, with the bigger party leading the coalition. Then the parties on that basis can sit down and agree on how the modalities will work. Any other option of saying, the party leaders should talk directly, it will not work that way according to my observation. Trust and confidence in each other is the problem. All the opposition leaders must solemnly agree to keep the negotiation proceeding secret. A chosen person should be selected to write down all sides of the story. And then, where they agree or disagree, the public can then be informed. If individuals wish to talk to the press whilst talks are ongoing, making themselves look stronger, there will never be any agreement. STDG as i said is in a pivotal position to rekindle a delicate deadlock. None of our leaders will lie down for the other. Trust and confidence is the key. SUntou On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]" href="http:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote: Suntou, where have you buried your head all this while? ?There are a thousand ways you could have known my association with the STGDP. ?All online, with the exception of Suntou, knew that while I'm a member of the STGDP, I have my independent voice that does not speak for STGDP but for Joe. ?STGDP will call it like it is and we are as much Gambian as any other and will continue to be in the forefront in the fight to liberate our country. ?We have been in operation for almost a decade and you are here howling about division in a movement. ?What you heard on the program from Joe is what you will read from Joe, and it is what you will hear when you meet Joe in person. So get used to it. ?Hopefully, my voice will be much clearer without the technical difficulties during the recording. ?My shout-out to Mbye Sarr, ML Sillah, and the rest of the Gambia Journal staff for a job well done and giving us the opportunity to dialogue with our fellow Gambians. ?This is going to be one of many conversations we will have with our people and friends of the Gambia in the months ahead. ?Suntou, stay tuned. Joe? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:44:09 +0100 From: [log in to unmask]" href="http:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask] Subject: Re: STGDP on GRTS International To: [log in to unmask]" href="http:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask] A good insight into STDG. I never knew Joe Sambou is a founding member. No wonder all his daggers are aimed at Ousainou. When�people talk, things come clear. STDG should try to be as neutral as neutral can be. Folks like Joe will only bring division in that movement. His past views are such that, UDP will not trust him as a broker. There are others in the movement who are unknown to some of us. The lady speaker for instance. Overall, the Gambiajournal should be commended for connecting diverse views of Gambians. ML Sillah handled the program brillaintly. Suntou On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Pasamba Jow <[log in to unmask]" href="http:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote: STGDP's interview with M. L Sillah on GRTS International http://www.thegambiajournal.com/sambanner/spacialplayer2.php?sid=327 "True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. 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