If a sick man influence your joining a forum, then you are misunderstanding
mind.
I did not say much about Mathew's material initially. He analysed the
politics in some areas with facts, and in other areas he mixed apples with
oranges. I can understand your response to him with brother Suwaibou PDOIS
desk officer.
If you think I am sick, you needn't worry Nyang. Just relax then. I am not
interested in your indoctrination or initiation processes, really, I know
PDOIS to the highest level, so leave the propaganda out.
 I have met all the executive members in different campaign venues, listen
to them, read their pamphlets, use to read Amie Sillah's column, use to live
with a writer for the paper.
So don't narrate your journey into PDOIS for me. We are in opposite
political parties and in truth that is not a problem.
We cannot all see things in the same way. Please propagate the message of
PDOIS, and the leaders out there should be proud of you. You have
singlehandedly of late stood for them even in cases when readers are getting
sceptical of the party's direction.
We are in similar equation, we are partisan, hence we will always be
defending our party line.
However, remember, no one here is sick or ignorant. Keep that in mind. In
has much you wish to discard the write-ups of opponents, be couteous. None
of us can stop, or cause readers to look the other way of members postings.
Modou Nyang's materials will be read by members, it wouldn't matter what you
said about me or what i said about you, people will be the judge of the
things we are puting across. This is why, I am never offended by insults or
ridicules.

Suntou

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>   Suntou, i think you are sick. Me misunderstand the heading? How comes i
> always undertand the crap that comes from you and your team then?
>
> For me and PDOIS? Continue dreaming. Am not like you who just discovered
> the UDP and is struggling to launder it's leader's day and night with much
> difficultiy. I have been with PDOIS since my school days at Muslim High
> School, campaigned with the party throughout the country and is well known
> in my community as a strong PDOIS supporter.
>
> So just continue dreaming. Am not like you who are interested in positions
> of coodinator and the like.
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/6/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Editor mathew on the Money/Nyang
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:07 AM
>
>
>  Haruna
>
> Nyang misunderstood the heading. This is why I did not response to him. He
> is living in a bobble, I pray he stays there for a long time to come. The
> exaggerations of one's abilities is nothing new, in fact Nyang seems
> convinced that, he is the next good thing to happen to PDOIS, I wish him
> good luck in his hype.
> Suntou
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
>
>>  [In a message dated 5/4/2010 1:19:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>writes:
>> Uncle, As brilliant as you always appear to be I am disappointed after
>> reading your first comment to Mathew’s writing that you have fallen to
>> Suntou’s level.] Modou Nyang
>>
>> 1. Brilliance is in the eye of the beholder.
>> 2. I suppose you will share with us what about my first comment to
>> Mathew's editorial seems to give you so much disquiet. While you're at it,
>> why did you not share your disquiet when I issued those first comments? Did
>> I make you uncomfortable with the current comments that you sent this
>> nonsense on as rider?
>>
>> [What has happened to my elders? Your generation is indeed a failed
>> generation? Mathew said Ousainou is a lesser evil to Halifa.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> So Mathew said Ousainou is a lesser evil than Halifa.
>>
>> [Instead of feeling insulted by a loner who currently has no link to the
>> Gambia and the Gambian people,]Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Why are you telling me how I should FEEL about a fellow citizen Dad? Is
>> that what you're taught in the Big Dinko? I happen NOT to share your
>> arsenine view of Mathew. This is because for you the Gambian people are all
>> in the Big Dinko in PDOIS with you. Why would Mathew want to have any link
>> with such losers?
>>
>> [a hater of every achiever] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Again, I have no reason to believe Mathew hates achievers. It would not
>> make sense for an overachiever to hate achievers. So excuse me if I can't
>> hate Mathew just because you do.
>>
>> [you are jubilating that your leader is a evil but is a lesser evil.]
>> Modou Nyang.
>>
>> First of all Nyang, I think your priorities and compass are totally
>> screwed up. Forget for a moment about whether Haruna jubilates at someone
>> being called evil or lesser evil. How can Mathew calling someone good or
>> evil make them good or evil???????????????????????????????????????
>> Secondly, why did NYANG not respond to Mathew calling Halifa or Ousainou
>> evil or lesser evils??????????????????????
>> Thirdly, and most critically, I suppose you will share with us where your
>> best uncle Haruna even remotely appeared jubilant about Mathew's personal
>> opinion, which he is entitled to?????????? YTou people are sick. And we're
>> onto you. You can't play victim anymore to steal, kill, and maim your fellow
>> citizens.
>>
>> [Your party has definitely lost self esteem and you its advocates do not
>> have any dignity left to inspire my generation of Gambians who PDOIS has
>> taught to value our sovereignty and dignity.] Modou Nyang
>>
>> 1. I do not belong to any party.
>> 2. I do not aim to inspire you. That is what your family and friends are
>> for.
>> 3. Do you not get enough inspiration from PDOIS? in the Big
>> Dinko??????????? WHy would you need me for inspiration?
>>
>> [Keep praising Mathew who is hiding behind tribe to mask his hatred for
>> every Gambian who is an asset to the Nation, the egg will soon be cracked on
>> your very heads by a person who steal others analysis to distort them for
>> his own vain attempt to appear as an intellectual.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> It seems to me your problem is with Mathew. I think the Gambiaecho is
>> liberal about publishing counter-arguments to editorials. So which Gambian
>> is an asset to the Nation and which Gambian is not????????? This is why I
>> say your compass is all screwed up. The character and real vision of you
>> PDOISards will become apparent as time goes on. I encourage you to talk some
>> more.
>>
>> [This is the first time I have heard of an intellectual who would preach
>> the eradication of books from our school system and replace them with sound
>> bites.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Sounds like a personal problem of yours to me. What do you want me to
>> do?????
>>
>> [Uncle you people have made my day. Now Gambians in the Diaspora can
>> easily detect your loss of hope and self esteem.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Loss of hope and self-esteem seems to me too personal a problem of other
>> for you to worry about Dad.
>>
>> [This is why you are jubilating for your leader being classified as a
>> lesser evil.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Modou, Modou, unless you show us where Haruna jubilated about anyone being
>> called evil or a lesser one, you would be peddling a lie as is customary for
>> you. You could remove all doubts by simply sharing where I jubilated over
>> Mathew's notes? It could very well be another event where the English
>> Language poses monumental problems for you.
>>
>> [We who have high esteem will make cyberspace an uncomfortable place for
>> the hater to unleash his evil designs.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> What do you have high esteem for Modou? This is why the semi-literate is
>> more a danger to him/herself than others. You do not have the gravitas or
>> moral temperance to label Mathew a hater.
>>
>> [Only an evil person could paint good to be evil and evil to be good.]
>> Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Here's you trying to paint Mathew as evil. I'm sure you will allow the
>> rest of us to make up our mind about Mathew.
>>
>> [And Only their accomplices will jubilate at their evil designs.] Modou
>> Nyang.
>>
>> And the ACCOMPLICES have that right should they choose to
>> correct???????????????
>>
>> [Deception is no longer possible.] Modou Nyang.
>>
>> Tell me about it.
>> Haruna.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 5/4/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: Editor mathew on the Money
>> To: [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 10:18 AM
>>
>>  Suntou, sounds like Mathew's personal problems to me. He'll get over it
>> when he becomes President of Gambia. Right now he has very little
>> responsibility to bear on sobriety. The only thing I have to share with you
>> Suntou is that you must not roll over and play dead while idiots trample all
>> over you. Its a friggin trick to make you feel guilty and lethargic while
>> they have at your food and property. My democratic lawyer friend shares with
>> me that majority tribes and ethnicities have human rights too. TO BE
>> PROTECTED. Its all a ruse.
>>
>> Haruna. If you look closer, the one who hollers tribalist is the vrai
>> tribalist. Just a loser, but a tribalist nonetheless.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> To: [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:08 am
>> Subject: Re: Editor mathew on the Money
>>
>>  Brilliant notes Masoud. Perhaps you should do a rejoinder to editor
>> Mathew for the benefits of non-Gambia L members. As I said before, if Mathew
>> can once and for all deal with his constant tribalo-politico fixation, all
>> his messages will be fine. I believe, he is a great person, however, he has
>> build up an aparent non-existent fear of Mandingos unnecessarily. Should he
>> be able to discuss Gambian politics without the endless Mandingo this, UDP
>> should be inclusive and so on, he can add to the current debate a vital
>> contribution.
>> UDP has lots of Fulas -Yahya Jallow--- May be Yahya is not Fula enough for
>> Mathew, Femi Peters, May be he is too Aku, Ebou Manneh A Balanta, Nyassi our
>> youth President working with the grassroots etc. And the efforts ongoing
>> including lots of youths in the decision making process will involve all
>> sections of the Gambia. Mathew should do a bit of research on UDP before
>> always lamenting on why they should include Fulas.
>> Remember Hamat can turn on more voters than some of the guys he mention.
>> Who is more Fula than Hamat and his team? We will even put Mathew in our
>> executive should he wish to join the new efforts. The UDP is open to all
>> Gambians, however no one can force anybody to join politics.
>> Mathew should know, the bigger problems is far larger than, tribe A or B.
>> This reminds of me of reading about Charles Taylor's rampant killing of
>> Mandingos in Nimba County and many other areas. His reason was because when
>> he commences his rebellion, Mandingos refuse to join him. His divisive
>> strategy was rejected, Charles Taylor then resort to targeting the Mandingos
>> of Liberia. It was not until the community show that, without collective
>> intervention, Taylor was committing ethnic cleansesen did Nkruma form his
>> resistance movement countering Taylor back to Monrovia, forcing him to enter
>> peace talks. A Similar thing occurred in Ivory Coast. When Alasana Watara
>> was denied the right to become President, the open targeting of Mandingos
>> forced the army to split the country into two.
>> So the records are there for Mathew to look into should he so wish. Hardly
>> did Mandingos go on open hostility in any region of Africa. The slender
>> population advantage should never cause endless writers to commit
>> cataclysmic errors in probing fears of a peaceful people. And i know similar
>> narratives can be said of many Gambian tribes.
>>  Yes there are words/statements within each tribal groups which does not
>> anchor well with other tribes, however at the bottom of all those statement,
>> there is no ill intentions. If Mathew take a serious look at the
>> assimilation and inter-absorption of people, his fears will quinch
>> themselves. How did we have abundant Tourays, Ceesay, Jannehs and so as
>> hardcore Fanafana Wollofs? How did we have countless Camara as Manjakos or
>> even Jolas proud of their heritage.Hence some of the people Mathew might be
>> counting as Fulas are in fact culturally Wollofs. Which sides should they
>> take?
>> In fact, it is us so call secular educated folks that ferment subliminal
>> tribalism, not the struggling ordinary people. In they consider such
>> politics, Yahya should never cross a 4% vote margin.
>> Our faiths taught us to reject factionalism/tribalism, and the leadership
>> of UDP has demonstrated that. Darboe's leadership doesn't mean Mandinkas own
>> the UDP.  I doubt if the the man who started the famous drinking parlour in
>> Basse teacher John from Sambang should be branded a tribalist for naming his
>> beer/palm wine den as Sambang.
>>
>> We can't eliminate the signatures we are born into. No amount of
>> progressive thoughts can take us away from being born into Tribes and
>> cultures which varies to a degree.
>> Should we fear Essa Bokar Sey for calling himself Masena Toro? Should we
>> fear brothers with open Fulbe Names, Galleh (compound) Gainako (herdsman)
>> Bailo (blacksmith) etc? I believe, the urgency is tackling a manic
>> totalitarian, we shouldn't try to justify or appeal to tribal sentiments.
>> This is not to say, we shouldn't celebrate or conduct our private affairs in
>> Fulbe culture, Manden culture or Wollof/Serere traditions. This is not to
>> say, those who enjoy Jola music or Wollof dance are tribalist, that is what
>> tinge their emotions.
>> Diversity is a phenomenon no one can eradicate. Yes some will say language
>> is just a medium of communication, however, the reality is that, it is much
>> more than that. If it is simply a medium to communicate, then the adoption
>> of cultures within tribes too shouldn't make sense. But we know this is
>> impossible. Those who have adopted Wollof language, by virtue pick up Wollof
>> culture and verse vice for other language groups.
>> And another serious area for Mathew to contemplate is that, Folks like me
>> with peculiar Mandingo name were in fact from very mixed background. And
>> this can be said of many people I know right here in this forum. Mathew is
>> under estimating the complex structures we have in the Gambia. To his
>> credit, yes there are those who are very passionate about who they are,
>> Mathew is no exception here. He is a proud Fula, but many don't have any
>> problem with that.
>> I hope Mathew can write without threading the tribal line always. I for
>> one enjoy reading him, but the dots of inherent fears embedded in him is a
>> disturbing recurrence.
>> Suntou
>> Bolongba
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Suntou, I agree with you. Uncle Mathew's editorial, apart from innuendo
>>> and unfounded rumour, is very valuable. His encouragement of UDP to actively
>>> seek the company of all tribes in national endeavour is platinum. This is
>>> more attributable to limited resources of OJ and Ousainou than any lack of
>>> desire or zeal to court all stakeholders in Gambia's governance. If there is
>>> anyone who is fatally inclusive in Gambian politics, it is Ousainou. Perhaps
>>> a revamping of the UDP/NRP executive is in order. It is the executive that
>>> manages the party's outreach. The UDP executive is full of technocrats who
>>> even though have what it takes to govern Gambia, are severely lacking in
>>> grassroots campaigning. They have great ideas, they are considerate of
>>> inclusive governance, but strike me as lazy in the realm of electioneering.
>>> Part of this laziness is attributable to meagre funds, but you have to
>>> campaign within the means of the party as far as funds are concerned. You
>>> have to tone down the lifestyles you are used to in-order to harness the
>>> enormous populist values you hold. *In this era of sustainable development,
>>> it is wise to consider a sustainable electioneering strategy. Like Mathew
>>> advised, the removal or apprehension of Yahya must be viewed in a
>>> sacrificial context a la Mandela and Gandhi. Make the campaign mirror the
>>> fierce urgency of your goals. de-bureaucratise your outreach. Add a youthful
>>> cadre to your executive if you have to expand the executive's number. There
>>> is no reason you cannot have 50 executive members drawing from all tribes,
>>> gender, age, skillsets, language, and profession. Such an active executive
>>> feeds off itself through symbiosis. Do not commune with any one tribe
>>> inordinately, in-fact, an undue focus on tribal representation will be
>>> detrimental to the party. Focus on issues common to all tribes and root out
>>> corrupt and dishonest tendencies among the executive. Not that there are any
>>> but it wouldn't hurt to establish a no-tolerance culture for corruption and
>>> fraudulent agency.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps UDP/NRP/GMC/ppp. UDP and NRP must actively engage GMC
>>> and ppp always. Do not focus too much on personalities. Only common issues.
>>> And make the party executive look like Gambia as much as possible. The
>>> Youth, Women, all tribes, ethnicities, languages, professions. The elders of
>>> all tribes must be encouraged to take their rightful place as cultural and
>>> professional mentors. Do not substitute tribal representation for integrity
>>> and conscience. It is not valuable in the long run. Democracy is about
>>> issues not numerical representation. Issue representation necessarily takes
>>> care of tribal representation and leaves ethnic idiots out of the mix.
>>> AUTOMATIC. Besides, some ethnic idiots will expect bribes and other corrupt
>>> considerations for their support and or loyalty. Don't do it. Gambia's
>>> problem is not
>>>
>>> The mechanics of campaign itself must be deliberately fashioned to mirror
>>> the goal, aims, and aspirations of the party. You are not seeking to govern
>>> to bring back the Jawara era. You are fashioning a new dawn in Gambia.
>>> Anyone in the party executive for nirvana does not belong in the party
>>> executive. Gambia grows with the times even as we have a criminal rampaging
>>> through our communities. We campaign despite the criminal not inspite of
>>> Yahya.
>>> Haruna.
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1916/Default.aspx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>>> >
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<http:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:24 am
>>> Subject: Editor mathew on the Money
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1916/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> The editorial is brilliant, although i have some objections to his
>>> critics, however, the overriding assumptions are spot on.
>>> Suntou
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