Bailo
It seems that you missed the larger points in my statements. The information I put across is known in some circles, however, I did hasten to say, this doesn't mean Hasan in any way or form took part in the coup or was aware of it.
What I express is the fact that, If Mathew can pick and chose who to blame for Gambia's woes, there are also indications that, Fulas he refuse to see in the larger picture are equally to blame for other failures and crimes.
Sir Dawda did indicate in his book that, the Minister who receive him at the airport always debrief him on the state the country is in. Hasan on the other hand did not accompany him to state house let alone told him anything.
I am not in anyway retaliating against Mathew. Since your good self have exposed the antiquated political commentator. I am merely extrapolating situations where people can comment on individual politicians failings without making reference to their ethnicity.
In short, the burden of proof lies with Hasan Jallow to clarify what happen the day before the coup. This will help balance the statements in Jawara's book and other quarters. I am sure Hasan is aware of this statements. Remember Hasan was senior officials in PPP and later with AFPRC, his affairs then is of historical importance in our public live matters.
Suntou

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
"Do you know, the 1994 coup happen when Hasan Jallow deputised for Saihou Sabally in receiving former President Jawara from his U.K trip? Hasana Jallow instead of accompanying President Jawara to his state house residence, and debrief him on the state of the country, instead went straight to his house without telling Jawara anything. Saihou Sabally was attending to his brother's funeral at the time. This is why, Jawara was clueless about the coup  until he was told the soldier are at Denton Bridge. I am not saying Hasan Jallow knew about the plan coup, however his departure from protocol was unprecedented." (Suntou B. Touray)

Suntou,

The above is really an interesting story. Did you read this in Sir Dawda's authobiography or heard from a 'credible source'. It is false!

Did you also know that as a matter of fact, then Lieutenant Yahy Jammeh was disarmed prior to being permitted to be part of the security detail that awaited the arrival of Sir Dawda at Banjul International airport on Thursday 21 July 1994. The reason why some Sir Dawda security loyalists insisted upon Yahya Jammeh's disarmament was because, he, Yahya was always deemed to be a serious risk b them to the safety of Sir Dawda and the security of the PPP regime.

Assan Jallow was the Justice Minister and there were therefore more competent Gambian officials to brief Sir Dawda on security matters.


"This is why, Jawara was clueless about the coup  until he was told the soldier are at Denton Bridge."

 Where was the head of the NSS or the Interior Minister?

In your attempt to reciprocate against Matthew's ethnocentricity, you should avoid resorting to spreading such false gossip against any person.

Bailo



--- On Thu, 6/5/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Respond to Suntou Date: Thursday, 6 May, 2010, 18:39

Mathew

I have said my quota, however if are saying No Fula ever has power in the Gambia whose actions impact negatively on Gambians, then you need more research before embarking on sensitive journeys.

 

What about former Attorney general Hasan Jallow,  Finance Minister Omar Sey, health, Finance Minister MC Cham, Health Minister MC Jallow, Youths and sports Minister Buba Baldeh,  Keba Leigh, Momodou Musa Njie( A Fulbe Gawlo), Husain Njie , Commissioner Omar Khan whose actions allow more than five men to die in Darsilame village in 1992 when he sent the then disbanded gendarmerie to fight off the land owners unlawfully seized by the Sarahuleh inhabitants to be use as cemetery.

The thugist Basse stationed Gendarmeries beat the hell out old men, some with health conditions without due process. Khan step his foot over the case, when it eventually reach the high court, the cemetery was nearly full.

Mathew, we can narrate to you endless such stories, however is there any benefit in doing that and many others? Should the people of Darsilame in Sandou took the crimes of Omar Khan to be a Fula problem?

Mathew, in your honest opinion, are you saying those people named above weren't powerful to influence decisions in favour of people they are allied with? Or are they not Fula enough?

 

Do you know, the 1994 coup happen when Hasan Jallow deputised for Saihou Sabally in receiving former President Jawara from his U.K trip? Hasana Jallow instead of accompanying President Jawara to his state house residence, and debrief him on the state of the country, instead went straight to his house without telling Jawara anything. Saihou Sabally was attending to his brother's funeral at the time. This is why, Jawara was clueless about the coup  until he was told the soldier are at Denton Bridge. I am not saying Hasan Jallow knew about the plan coup, however his departure from protocol was unprecedented.

 

Mathew, you generalise in the ways you put your message across. You mentioned about a certain Mandingo who told, the Gambia belongs to them. Why should you take such irrelevant statement to the general instead of the specific?

Your blindness to seeing Fulas in the Gambian discourse says a lot about your agenda.

It will be rather unfortunate for you to alienate keen readers of your materials on flaw propaganda adventures. By all means, continue writing, however remember, we are reading attentively and with our eyes wide open.

I thank you for the good things you have highlighted, but am equally appalled by your lack of judgement in matters of ethnicity in Gambian politics.

In the United States, families such the Bush, the Kennedys, in India the Ghandi's, in Pakistan the Bhuttos, in Italy the Balasconis, in England the aristocrats, in Russia the Oligas and many other countries has individuals families whose share of the public cake always far out weigh the rest of the masses. They go to the best universities, get the best jobs, and share power amongst themselves.

The historical importance of, "no taxation without representation", the magna  carta, the law of the forest and many other unprecedented efforts by the under privilege to level the playing field is continuing. And if you should speak against individuals you feel are usurping or have usurp our national cake unjustly, by all means do so. Do so with reference to their names and the crimes you think they commit. However, making reference to their tribes will make your message lost in transition.

We discuss to find solutions to a common problem, however if your agenda is not to be fair, the discussion becomes futile.

Ajaramah

Suntou


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Mathew K Jallow <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Suntou,
You are the one who is trying to generalize what I said, because I think you are subliminally seeking to encourage a gang reaction to what I said. You are not making any sense to me otherwise. You said are going to attack me if I write, so what is that supposed to make me feel? Shaking with fear? You got to be kidding me. That is dillusional. Every dummy who can read, will understand that I was and has always referred to Mandinkas and Wollofs with power in government and politics, whose actions and politics impacted negatively on the general public in the Gambia; ordinary Mandinkas and Wollofs included. I never referred to Fulas because they never had power to determine policy and never had enough presence in government to impact people's lives around the country. Does it even make sense to call all Mandinkas and Wollofs tribalists. We are talking about governance here, at least that is what I for one is referring to every time I write whether here or elsewhere, and that is implicit and I expect every reader to understand that. Look, I too have Mandinka and Wollof women married into my family, and close female relatives married to Mandinka and Wollof men too. Generally, you were not hostile in your response, so I will alse respond in like manner, but Saikou Samateh made sense to me.

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