[In a message dated 5/4/2010 1:19:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Uncle, As brilliant as you always appear to be I am disappointed after reading your first comment to Mathew’s writing that you have fallen to Suntou’ s level.] Modou Nyang 1. Brilliance is in the eye of the beholder. 2. I suppose you will share with us what about my first comment to Mathew's editorial seems to give you so much disquiet. While you're at it, why did you not share your disquiet when I issued those first comments? Did I make you uncomfortable with the current comments that you sent this nonsense on as rider? [What has happened to my elders? Your generation is indeed a failed generation? Mathew said Ousainou is a lesser evil to Halifa.] Modou Nyang. So Mathew said Ousainou is a lesser evil than Halifa. [Instead of feeling insulted by a loner who currently has no link to the Gambia and the Gambian people,]Modou Nyang. Why are you telling me how I should FEEL about a fellow citizen Dad? Is that what you're taught in the Big Dinko? I happen NOT to share your arsenine view of Mathew. This is because for you the Gambian people are all in the Big Dinko in PDOIS with you. Why would Mathew want to have any link with such losers? [a hater of every achiever] Modou Nyang. Again, I have no reason to believe Mathew hates achievers. It would not make sense for an overachiever to hate achievers. So excuse me if I can't hate Mathew just because you do. [you are jubilating that your leader is a evil but is a lesser evil.] Modou Nyang. First of all Nyang, I think your priorities and compass are totally screwed up. Forget for a moment about whether Haruna jubilates at someone being called evil or lesser evil. How can Mathew calling someone good or evil make them good or evil??????????????????????????????????????? Secondly, why did NYANG not respond to Mathew calling Halifa or Ousainou evil or lesser evils?????????????????????? Thirdly, and most critically, I suppose you will share with us where your best uncle Haruna even remotely appeared jubilant about Mathew's personal opinion, which he is entitled to?????????? YTou people are sick. And we're onto you. You can't play victim anymore to steal, kill, and maim your fellow citizens. [Your party has definitely lost self esteem and you its advocates do not have any dignity left to inspire my generation of Gambians who PDOIS has taught to value our sovereignty and dignity.] Modou Nyang 1. I do not belong to any party. 2. I do not aim to inspire you. That is what your family and friends are for. 3. Do you not get enough inspiration from PDOIS? in the Big Dinko??????????? WHy would you need me for inspiration? [Keep praising Mathew who is hiding behind tribe to mask his hatred for every Gambian who is an asset to the Nation, the egg will soon be cracked on your very heads by a person who steal others analysis to distort them for his own vain attempt to appear as an intellectual.] Modou Nyang. It seems to me your problem is with Mathew. I think the Gambiaecho is liberal about publishing counter-arguments to editorials. So which Gambian is an asset to the Nation and which Gambian is not????????? This is why I say your compass is all screwed up. The character and real vision of you PDOISards will become apparent as time goes on. I encourage you to talk some more. [This is the first time I have heard of an intellectual who would preach the eradication of books from our school system and replace them with sound bites.] Modou Nyang. Sounds like a personal problem of yours to me. What do you want me to do????? [Uncle you people have made my day. Now Gambians in the Diaspora can easily detect your loss of hope and self esteem.] Modou Nyang. Loss of hope and self-esteem seems to me too personal a problem of other for you to worry about Dad. [This is why you are jubilating for your leader being classified as a lesser evil.] Modou Nyang. Modou, Modou, unless you show us where Haruna jubilated about anyone being called evil or a lesser one, you would be peddling a lie as is customary for you. You could remove all doubts by simply sharing where I jubilated over Mathew's notes? It could very well be another event where the English Language poses monumental problems for you. [We who have high esteem will make cyberspace an uncomfortable place for the hater to unleash his evil designs.] Modou Nyang. What do you have high esteem for Modou? This is why the semi-literate is more a danger to him/herself than others. You do not have the gravitas or moral temperance to label Mathew a hater. [Only an evil person could paint good to be evil and evil to be good.] Modou Nyang. Here's you trying to paint Mathew as evil. I'm sure you will allow the rest of us to make up our mind about Mathew. [And Only their accomplices will jubilate at their evil designs.] Modou Nyang. And the ACCOMPLICES have that right should they choose to correct??????????????? [Deception is no longer possible.] Modou Nyang. Tell me about it. Haruna. --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Editor mathew on the Money To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 10:18 AM Suntou, sounds like Mathew's personal problems to me. He'll get over it when he becomes President of Gambia. Right now he has very little responsibility to bear on sobriety. The only thing I have to share with you Suntou is that you must not roll over and play dead while idiots trample all over you. Its a friggin trick to make you feel guilty and lethargic while they have at your food and property. My democratic lawyer friend shares with me that majority tribes and ethnicities have human rights too. TO BE PROTECTED. Its all a ruse. Haruna. If you look closer, the one who hollers tribalist is the vrai tribalist. Just a loser, but a tribalist nonetheless. -----Original Message----- From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:08 am Subject: Re: Editor mathew on the Money Brilliant notes Masoud. Perhaps you should do a rejoinder to editor Mathew for the benefits of non-Gambia L members. As I said before, if Mathew can once and for all deal with his constant tribalo-politico fixation, all his messages will be fine. I believe, he is a great person, however, he has build up an aparent non-existent fear of Mandingos unnecessarily. Should he be able to discuss Gambian politics without the endless Mandingo this, UDP should be inclusive and so on, he can add to the current debate a vital contribution. UDP has lots of Fulas -Yahya Jallow--- May be Yahya is not Fula enough for Mathew, Femi Peters, May be he is too Aku, Ebou Manneh A Balanta, Nyassi our youth President working with the grassroots etc. And the efforts ongoing including lots of youths in the decision making process will involve all sections of the Gambia. Mathew should do a bit of research on UDP before always lamenting on why they should include Fulas. Remember Hamat can turn on more voters than some of the guys he mention. Who is more Fula than Hamat and his team? We will even put Mathew in our executive should he wish to join the new efforts. The UDP is open to all Gambians, however no one can force anybody to join politics. Mathew should know, the bigger problems is far larger than, tribe A or B. This reminds of me of reading about Charles Taylor's rampant killing of Mandingos in Nimba County and many other areas. His reason was because when he commences his rebellion, Mandingos refuse to join him. His divisive strategy was rejected, Charles Taylor then resort to targeting the Mandingos of Liberia. It was not until the community show that, without collective intervention, Taylor was committing ethnic cleansesen did Nkruma form his resistance movement countering Taylor back to Monrovia, forcing him to enter peace talks. A Similar thing occurred in Ivory Coast. When Alasana Watara was denied the right to become President, the open targeting of Mandingos forced the army to split the country into two. So the records are there for Mathew to look into should he so wish. Hardly did Mandingos go on open hostility in any region of Africa. The slender population advantage should never cause endless writers to commit cataclysmic errors in probing fears of a peaceful people. And i know similar narratives can be said of many Gambian tribes. Yes there are words/statements within each tribal groups which does not anchor well with other tribes, however at the bottom of all those statement, there is no ill intentions. If Mathew take a serious look at the assimilation and inter-absorption of people, his fears will quinch themselves. How did we have abundant Tourays, Ceesay, Jannehs and so as hardcore Fanafana Wollofs? How did we have countless Camara as Manjakos or even Jolas proud of their heritage.Hence some of the people Mathew might be counting as Fulas are in fact culturally Wollofs. Which sides should they take? In fact, it is us so call secular educated folks that ferment subliminal tribalism, not the struggling ordinary people. In they consider such politics, Yahya should never cross a 4% vote margin. Our faiths taught us to reject factionalism/tribalism, and the leadership of UDP has demonstrated that. Darboe's leadership doesn't mean Mandinkas own the UDP. I doubt if the the man who started the famous drinking parlour in Basse teacher John from Sambang should be branded a tribalist for naming his beer/palm wine den as Sambang. We can't eliminate the signatures we are born into. No amount of progressive thoughts can take us away from being born into Tribes and cultures which varies to a degree. Should we fear Essa Bokar Sey for calling himself Masena Toro? Should we fear brothers with open Fulbe Names, Galleh (compound) Gainako (herdsman) Bailo (blacksmith) etc? I believe, the urgency is tackling a manic totalitarian, we shouldn't try to justify or appeal to tribal sentiments. This is not to say, we shouldn't celebrate or conduct our private affairs in Fulbe culture, Manden culture or Wollof/Serere traditions. This is not to say, those who enjoy Jola music or Wollof dance are tribalist, that is what tinge their emotions. Diversity is a phenomenon no one can eradicate. Yes some will say language is just a medium of communication, however, the reality is that, it is much more than that. If it is simply a medium to communicate, then the adoption of cultures within tribes too shouldn't make sense. But we know this is impossible. Those who have adopted Wollof language, by virtue pick up Wollof culture and verse vice for other language groups. And another serious area for Mathew to contemplate is that, Folks like me with peculiar Mandingo name were in fact from very mixed background. And this can be said of many people I know right here in this forum. Mathew is under estimating the complex structures we have in the Gambia. To his credit, yes there are those who are very passionate about who they are, Mathew is no exception here. He is a proud Fula, but many don't have any problem with that. I hope Mathew can write without threading the tribal line always. I for one enjoy reading him, but the dots of inherent fears embedded in him is a disturbing recurrence. Suntou Bolongba On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (http:[log in to unmask]) > wrote: Suntou, I agree with you. Uncle Mathew's editorial, apart from innuendo and unfounded rumour, is very valuable. His encouragement of UDP to actively seek the company of all tribes in national endeavour is platinum. This is more attributable to limited resources of OJ and Ousainou than any lack of desire or zeal to court all stakeholders in Gambia's governance. If there is anyone who is fatally inclusive in Gambian politics, it is Ousainou. Perhaps a revamping of the UDP/NRP executive is in order. It is the executive that manages the party's outreach. The UDP executive is full of technocrats who even though have what it takes to govern Gambia, are severely lacking in grassroots campaigning. They have great ideas, they are considerate of inclusive governance, but strike me as lazy in the realm of electioneering. Part of this laziness is attributable to meagre funds, but you have to campaign within the means of the party as far as funds are concerned. You have to tone down the lifestyles you are used to in-order to harness the enormous populist values you hold. *In this era of sustainable development, it is wise to consider a sustainable electioneering strategy. Like Mathew advised, the removal or apprehension of Yahya must be viewed in a sacrificial context a la Mandela and Gandhi. Make the campaign mirror the fierce urgency of your goals. de-bureaucratise your outreach. Add a youthful cadre to your executive if you have to expand the executive's number. There is no reason you cannot have 50 executive members drawing from all tribes, gender, age, skillsets, language, and profession. Such an active executive feeds off itself through symbiosis. Do not commune with any one tribe inordinately, in-fact, an undue focus on tribal representation will be detrimental to the party. Focus on issues common to all tribes and root out corrupt and dishonest tendencies among the executive. Not that there are any but it wouldn't hurt to establish a no-tolerance culture for corruption and fraudulent agency. I hope this helps UDP/NRP/GMC/ppp. UDP and NRP must actively engage GMC and ppp always. Do not focus too much on personalities. Only common issues. And make the party executive look like Gambia as much as possible. The Youth, Women, all tribes, ethnicities, languages, professions. The elders of all tribes must be encouraged to take their rightful place as cultural and professional mentors. Do not substitute tribal representation for integrity and conscience. It is not valuable in the long run. Democracy is about issues not numerical representation. Issue representation necessarily takes care of tribal representation and leaves ethnic idiots out of the mix. AUTOMATIC. Besides, some ethnic idiots will expect bribes and other corrupt considerations for their support and or loyalty. Don't do it. Gambia's problem is not The mechanics of campaign itself must be deliberately fashioned to mirror the goal, aims, and aspirations of the party. You are not seeking to govern to bring back the Jawara era. You are fashioning a new dawn in Gambia. Anyone in the party executive for nirvana does not belong in the party executive. Gambia grows with the times even as we have a criminal rampaging through our communities. We campaign despite the criminal not inspite of Yahya. Haruna. (http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1916/Default.aspx) -----Original Message----- From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask] (http:[log in to unmask]) > To: [log in to unmask] (http:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:24 am Subject: Editor mathew on the Money _http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/arti cleId/1916/Default.aspx_ (http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1916/Default.aspx) The editorial is brilliant, although i have some objections to his critics, however, the overriding assumptions are spot on. 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