Hi! Just thought I'd repost the Jawara era videos that I posted a while back given the debate about him. The link is: http://raaki.com/raakitv/ Have a good evening. Buharry. ----Original Message---- From: [log in to unmask] Date: 2010-05-21 0:02 To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subj: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY Lad, The purpose of a national discourse of the one we are involved in is to shed light on issues. I am therefore disappointed that you are asking that we agree to disagree. That sounds like escapism, and I wonder whether we shall agree on anything meaningful, if it becomes the trend on our discussion boards. Therefore I respectfully insist not to agree to disagree with you. We have so much in common that we should be abled to reach common grounds in our debates. Best of regards, Omar Joof. > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 02:56:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] > > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "OCEANIC LAD" <[log in to unmask]> ] > > > Thanks Omar,grateful.Lets agree to disagree. > > ---------- > Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email > > ------Original Message------ > From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]> > To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:24:11 PM GMT+0000 > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > > > Lad, > > for my wonderful old dad(Baba), mom(nye-nye), grandma(maam), uncles and aunts, and my dear brothers and sisters, I indeed wish I had gone to university earlier. You may think it was actually the system that procrastinated my university education, may be partly, but that was not the whole story. My dad was very old and immediately after sixth form I had to help my mom bring up my younger siblings. In fact In 1988, I had to withdraw from The Gambia college, because continuation would have meant loss of vital income to my family. > > I am not the least offended my your assertion. > > Best of regards, > > Omar Joof. > > > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:36 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > "though some have been provocative enough to insinuate about my age as if that is relevant". > Barton,no one said that is relevant.What i said was to see how jawara wasted your time too among thousands; before settling in a career.Your "intellect and pragmatism"would have seen you higher than he put you through in Yahya Jammeh's Gambia before finally settling in UTG. > Ten things Yahya Jammeh is Better than Jawara > > He never signed a death warrant > He opened the Gambia to technological advancement > He invested in the Human Resources of the country > He build a modern Airport > He built first class road network > He made education accessible to all > He built modern Health facilities > He trained Gambian Born doctors > He open opportunities to Gambian Youths > He provided the country with a radio and television service > > thats why he is ten times better than him. > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:05 PM > > > > > Modou, > You are right, I have always had my foroyaa report when the paper was out, but its also good that some of you want this narration to go on. I will therefore try to be as positive as possible, though some have been provocative enough to insinuate about my age as if that is relevant. > We have deviated a lot already , so for the moment, I want to make three valid points: > The first one is in response to your question. The issue of stability in a post-Jawara Gambia was expressed at congress by some of those who wanted him to stay on. Personally, I believed, like you, that it would have enhanced National stability. There was in fact a strong feeling in some quarters that it would have been highly appreciated by our donors. > Secondly, I want to make it very clear that those who are now being regarded as reformist within the PPP did not make a stand for change at the congress . Non of them said a thing. In fact BB Darbo chaired the closing session at which Sir Dawda made his declaration to quit, and so more than any one else had ample opportunity to say something. > Thirdly, the major comparison that has been running through this debate is Yaya Jammeh as oppose to Sir Dawda. It has been asserted that the former is ten times better than the latter, which I strongly contest. I have always insisted that I love Yaya Jammeh personally, but I abhor his politics. Thus as far as I go, if you compare him with either Bathurst or Opa, I will take any of the latter two. That's it, people can take that to be irrational or whatever, but for me, that manifests the level of my commitment to removing the A(F)PRC regime from power. > Best of regards, > Omar Joof. > > > > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:46:37 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > Mr Joof, thank you. I understand yuo very well. My main point of concern is the issue of stability of the country vis-a-vis Jawara's supposed resignation in 1992. One can even argue that the country stability could have been enchanced much better had the pa stepped aside, > > Am enjoying the narations and find them very interesting. It is quite interesting to me that a handful of the teachers during my time at Bakoteh were into politics even at that time this includes the headmaster sulayman Joof who was a councilor then and now a three term national Asebly for SK West. The only thing i can remember is that you were a foroyaa reader. I used to pick some pages of foroyaa in the school probably from your copies. > > Let the narations continue and i patiently await Koto Sainey's version on Jawara and the 1st republic too. > > Nyang > > --- On Mon, 5/17/10, omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 10:42 AM > > > > > Modou, > Not a bad question. But I hope my personal position is not being misunderstood. I sincerely wished, even at the time, that Sir Dawda had kept his word and retired. There were those who also felt at the time that it could have been unwise in terms of the country's stability. Apparently, there were also those who wanted him to stay because of personal political reasons. > It is vital when debates like this are taking place for those who actually have eye-witness evidences to come forward and recount what they witnessed. Thats all I am doing. > Best of regards, > Omar Joof. > > > > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:06:40 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > Mr, Joof, I call you this way because i was a pupil at bakoteh primary when you were a teacher there. my question is what do you mean that "the fact remains that some of them were genuinely concerned about the stability of the country." How was the stability of the country going to affected had Jawara moved decided to retire? > > Nyang > > > --- On Sun, 5/16/10, omar joof <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > To: "[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:56 PM > > > > > My brother Joe, > When it comes to Sir Dawda's softly-softly politics, and modest approach to National development, I agree with most of the criticisms that have been levelled against him. I cannot agree with inefficient policies that particularly made our common good suffer, but when you go after his character, I feel you are going way too far. > I agree that Sir Dawda should not have contested the 1992 elections. When I first saw him at congress in Mansakonko, he cut a very grandfatherly figure to my eyes; one who had already given us so much, that we needed to respectfully give him a break. > He should take some of the blame for staying on but those who urged him to do so, should also have their fair share. Similarly, those who kept mute, and behaved as if they had God given rights to ride on our backs, are worthy of blame. > A lot of attention has been given to the so called selfish elements, but the fact remains that some of them were genuinely concerned about the stability of the country. At the time the party leadership had undergone reform to such an extend that its traditional standard bearers had almost been completely displaced. > The very people you blame Sir Dawda of abandoning today ( I have huge affections for some of them), are the very ones who should have selflessly rallied around party standards and in the national interest, allow him to go into retirement. Perhaps Sir Dawda is merely being vindictive, which would be a vice and unworthy of him, but is that not what happens frequently, if we abandon our collective interest and common good, for "cabalistic aspirations"? > Best of regards, > Omar Joof. > > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 16:59:35 +0000 > > > > Omar, I respect your opinion. However it is this pattern of sleeping at the switch that I will not continue to excuse Jawara. When he did not see the wisdom to create institutes of higher learning, we came up with an excuse When corruption was rife, we excused him for being aloof. When few individuals played with our resources blatantly, we said Jawara was not aware. He cut a deal with Yaya and left all to hang to dry, folks excuse that for wanting to live gracefully, as if those he betrayed do not deserve the same. Now, he launched his book on the same day the students were murdered by Yaya, here we go again that it is a stretch to link the events. Like someone stated, if it were not presided by the butcher himself, we would not have been discussing him here. > > I am aware that some folks here have a soft spot for Jawara and that is ok. What I am challenging is this continued aloofness and total detachment of Jawara in matters of day to day living of Gambians. Jawara is all about Jawara that it is sickening. When is Jawara for once going to put the people that he prevailed over for thirty years as priority number one? At the rate he is going, not even his death will break his pattern of looking out for Jawara and Jawara alone. We just have to agree to disagree on Jawara and his character. I'm sure he is loving to those that are close to him, which is just a slither of our population. > > Joe > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:41:14 +0000 > > > > Folks, > At the time of the student massacre, Sir Dawda was interviewed but he never said anything derogative about the students, the movement or its leadership. The issue here as Wassa rightly pointed out, is the Launching of a book by Our only former president. Without doubts the event is of great historical importance, and OJ's attendance would have been gracious. > As regards the staging of the book launch on April 10th in relation to the commemoration of the historic student manifestations of ten years ago, I do not share Joe's assertions. They cannot by any stretch of the imagination be said to represent Sir Dawda's actual intentions. > Furthermore, it is important to remind all that OJ's honour and intergrity have not been questioned by those of us who have criticized him this time around. He is a brother and friend and it is strictly in those terms that he is being criticized. > Best of regards, > Omar Joof. > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:34:13 +0100 > > > > Joe, > It is your right not to treat the opposition leaders with kid gloves; but also remember that others also have the same right to give praise where praise is due. Whether OJ served the interest of Jawara is no issue here, because we all know that he served as a minister in the old regime. The point in discussion is the position he took with regard to the launching of Jawara's book. > > Thanks. > Wassa > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:09:36 +0000 > > > > Wassa, I am one of those that do not treat the opposition leaders with kid gloves, and when they speak their mind in the heat of what obtains in the Gambia, then we must acknowledge them. Regarding the case of Jawara, it should be evident to all that the man looks for only Jawara's interest. I know it must be hard for OJ to speak this direct regarding the man he respected. One thing none can deny is, everything OJ said about the man is the truth. Did Jawara betray the party he led for thirty years? The answer is yes? Did Jawara leave those that he ran away with to hang to dry? Without a doubt. Should Jawara sell his soul for trinkets in the name of being old and wanting to live the rest of his life to shake hands with the devil? No However, he has the right to do what pleases his heart, but in the Gambia of conscience, you cannot find a bigger traitor in his behavior. Jawara is not the only old man that has been tried? Heck, you know how many that are older than Ja! > wara that are in the Gambia and have struggled all their lives and are still struggling as I write to survive, yet still maintain their dignity? Faidai Jai Geja! If Jawara wants to play senile and go with Yaya's program to lunch his book on the day the students were massacred, then OJ stands tall to reject that collaboration with the devil. If we claim to have ulcers with Yaya's murder of the students on April 10, then why should any entertain Jawara in launching his book with Yaya presiding over that con on the same day he (Yaya) murdered those students? Is Jawara that senile to not realize the date of his book launching and the murderer himself? Folks, we need to stop creating excuses for the inexcusable. All that I have said thus far have nothing to do with Jawara's thirty years of sleeping at the switch. This is strictly dealing with the character of the man. If we can talk about Uwaa and his nephew, Yaya, then we must howl at Baba's relation with his grandkid, Y! > aya. I would not second guess any that insinuates that it is ! > Jawara t > hat assisted Uwaa in hugging Yaya until Yaya's Grand Bubou got all rumpled. The fact is, if Jawara were our friend we'd call him a traitor. What Yaya is currently doing to his ministers, Jawara did long ago when Yaya was in diapers. How many of his contemporaries did he marginalize to their death? Yes, folks may have a soft spot for that man and that is natural. However, it is Jawara's character that will define Jawara in the eyes of an electorate that watched him for forty five years. > > Joe > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:28:43 +0100 > > Bro. Malik, > Thanks. OJ is unique politician from the old power. Honest, direct, principled and simple. He has expressed his opinion and it is a picture of the man himself. He expressed his feelings many in the Gambia would not dare express as many of his calibre back home are suffering from intellectual constipation induced by the current regime. OJ, well done. > Wassa > > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: RE: [>-<]MAN OF HONOUR AND INTERGRITY > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:13:56 +0100 > > > O.J IS SHOWING THAT HE IS TRULY A MAN OF HONOUR, DIGNITY AND INTERGRY. > > > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [>-<] > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:45:34 +0100 > > > > > > Breaking News:Gambia: OJ Turns Down Jawara?s Book Launching Invitation > OJ Turns Down Jawara?s Book Launching Invitation > ?It Is Wrong For Sir Dawda To Allow Jammeh To Officiate His Book Launching Ceremony,? OJ Tells Freedom Radio > > Says Jawara Disappointd Gambians And The PPP > > By Pa Nderry M?Bai > > Former Agriculture Minister in the First Republic Omar Amadou Jallow has been explaining why he refused to honor Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara?s book launching ceremony?arguing that it was wrong for Mr. Jawara to allow President Jammeh to officiate the book launching?given the fact that he Jammeh toppled Jawara?s 30 year democratically elected Government. OJ said he received an invitation from the former Gambian President to witness his book launching, but his conscience would not allow him to dine with the dictator, who peddled all kinds of false allegations against Sir Dawda and his former officials. To access the audio version of the interview, please click this link: > > Audio Link: > > http://www.box.net/shared/static/nb4ca3nx62.mp3 > > For OJ, Sir ought to have invited his former colleagues in the sub- region to officiate the occasion, rather than using Jammeh?a man he calls a stumbling block to democracy. He said Jammeh doesn?t believe in democracy and therefore it is an insult for Sir Dawda to compromise all he stood for over the years to invite a person who toppled his regime. > > Mr. Jallow also raises eyebrows over the launching of Jawara?s book on April 10, a day he said was the darkest day in the history of The Gambia. Mr. Jallow said this was the day when President Yahya Jammeh?s Government killed 14 defenseless school children in the name of suppressing a peaceful student demonstration. OJ said the timing of Jawara?s book launching speaks volumes. He said he doesn?t want to be associated with the occasion since he Jawara is betraying the course of the PPP Government?which gave birth to the post Gambia independence multiparty democracy. > > OJ said he hates to be critical against Jawara, but he deemed it crucially imperative to speak out for the sake of posterity. He said Jawara had abandoned his followers?many of whom are in exile overseas to dine with dictator Jammeh. He said many former PPP officials got arrested, humiliated, jailed, and forced into exile because of Jawara?s PPP party, but today Jawara is behaving as if he had never be wronged by Jammeh. > > In what appeared as OJ?s most powerful statement since the toppling of President Jawara regime, the former Serre Kunda representative said Jawara should remember that the former officials served his administration faithfully and honestly. He said the former PPP officials don?t deserve such treatment from Jawara?who is expected to ensure the sustenance of the PPP party. > > OJ said sadly many political parties in Africa, including The Gambia died after the departure of its leaders because of selfishness, and lack of leadership accountability. He said Jawara?s departure led to the disintegration of the PPP. He said Mr. Jawara had disappointed many of his supporters because he gave his back to the PPP party since his removal by the former junta led by President Jammeh. > > Regarding the Gambian opposition, OJ said the only way out to remove Jammeh is to form an opposition alliance. 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