Joe
That is yet more baseless argument from you. For us who respect Ousainou, we will not sit by and tolerate unnecessary insult of his person by idiots. I careless how you perceive that.
The reality is that, you believing that insulting Ousainou is ok is a subject of my response.. And Muhammed's intention is to anger, not discuss. This is why, he tasted his own medicine.
In your court Joe I am gulity, however since when have you been fair with Ousainou, so please safe me the court verdict.
Oh know Joe, I expected Muhammed to come the way he did. May be you need to read my responses carefully. I am not the least affected by what he says.
Muhammed knows now insulting the parents of others is wrong. You can see his statements as legitimate Joe, I am not questioning that. However, Muhammed knows now anytime he insult Ousainou, he should expect similar reactions.
Let him write about our political differences all day long, I have no objection to such.
Ousainou is a respected personality to us. Only you an avid anti-Ousainou can support such blatant insult. I am not condoning my own response. However it is necessary to show Muhammed that, what he is  what pushes him to insult elders.
 
Suntou

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Suntou, Suntou, if Ousainou was not in politics you and I would not be discussing him here.  If you insist on going this route when anybody calls Ousainou a name, then brace yourself. As elections draw near you will here worse, and that applies to Yaya, OJ, Halifa, etc.  For God sake you have seen on TV George Bush pitched on with Sandals and he is president of a Nation.  What have we spared about Yaya?  Does he not have people who support him?  Suntou, you are dead wrong bringing Mohhamad's parents in this and there is no defense for it.  You noticed Mohhamad did not insult Ousainou's parents?  He talked about Ousainou the politician.  He did not talk about his Law Practice, did he?  No.  Please desist from this practice.  You cannot expect to say the things you said and expect Mohammad to see Jesus and give you the other cheek.  Anyone trying to defend you in this is not only dishonest, but setting you up for an avalanche you will not be able to handle.  Why are they not engaged in the same, just think about it?  I can speak for myself.  Any politician is game and if they do not like it they can hit the deck and the same applies to Joe, if Joe makes it his business to dare to want to lead a people.  This is a warning to not only Suntou but any other.  If Ousainou's or any other politician's family members want to come and defend Ousainou or their's, that is perfectly fine in the name of their family and the chips to fall where they may.  They understand that when you want to lead you will hear stuff that will not be pleasant many a times.  To come here to maliciously attack Mohhamad's parents is dead wrong folks and we need to lay off of it.  If Suntou had said the same to any of us we would not be here pleading for calm but to bring the skies down.  I would have been at you other end by now if you had said the same to me.  Let us for once put ourselves in Mohammad's shoes.  That is also why I said if Mohhamad first insulted Suntou's parents, then it would be hypocritical of me to tell Suntou to not respond in kind if he chooses to.  We know who is wrong here and Suntou needs to be told.  This is the same kind of side stepping the truth that we blast those religious dealers on the ground and here we have Suntou dead wrong and we want to apportion blame to Mohhamad for responding.  If Suntou did not lob first, Mohammad would not be responding in kind.  If Suntou was Ousainou son, one can see the cause and effect.  That is not the case.  Wrong is wrong.

Joe

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:08:02 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ILLEGITIMATE SUNTUBA MOO FORING DAD IS PATEH BAH?

To: [log in to unmask]

Joe
You have made absolute strong statements against Ousainou. I term some of them as fair. However, insulting Ousainou personally is not acceptable. Yes, I have commented  on the politics of PDOIS and Halifa in the past. However, I have never insulted anyone. Sometimes our exchanges including the keen followers of Halifa were heated but not rude.
I don't care if Muhammed criticise Ousainou day or night. I will defend the position of UDP with the best of my abilities without been rude to anyone.
And in my book, people don't have to be my father to defend their integrity and honour. And with your statement that if Ousainou was minding his business no one will comment on him is correct. However what you fail to recognise is that, Muhammed Bai wasn't just criticising Ousainou's politics, he was insulting him without any reason.
In as much we may be accuse of not wanting folks to criticise our party leaders, the fact remains, insulting a party leader and criticising their politics is two different things.
Joe, you never hesitate to criticise Ousainou, did I ever made any rude statement against you? Muhammed Bai over step the mark, calling Ousainou immature etc is beyond the mark. You find nothing wrong with that, however the decency i stand for dictate that, insulting adults is a crime.
Ousainou's children don't have to stand his corner for him, he is a mentor to some of us. A good elder and a rational human being. His dedication and determination however futile some may find it is commendable to us. And we are eagarly following the Congress going on.
I knew Muhammed will blow his top. And he didn't disappoint. The greater good is that, I made Muhammed taste his own medicine. If he cares about his parents, let him speak good of other people's parents. I have always avoided insulting people, but sometimes getting down and dirty with rascals is necessary.
The truth is, not everyone will like Ousainou or the political leaders for that matter, however, insulting them is not done. We can question their actions in appropriate ways, and no one do that better than you Joe and myself.
I am humbled by the private mails, I don't want to mention your names, But it meant a lot to me. This is not an individual battle. However, men who expose their security, wealth, family and life, should be respected no matter how much we dislike them. We can call their major actions into questions, however insulting them out of rudeness is uncall for.
Suntou

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Muhammad, I do understand that you must defend yourself, but don't you think this is a bit too much from both of you?  To Suntou, are you loosing your mind?  Is Ousainou your father?  If not, where do you get off talking about someone's parents in your exchange?  You of all people should know that anyone that aspires to lead will have people that support them and those that oppose them.  If Ousainou was not in politics do you think any would waste their time discussing him?  You have said plenty about Halifa and that is because he is aspiring to lead and you happen to support another and that is fine.  I have jumped on Hamat and others etc.  If you do not want your parents or relatives to be insulted, then please refrain from mentioning other people's parents.  Yes, if I was in Muhammad's shoes I would have given you your due and then some.  I hope you cease and desist from insulting folk's parents unjustifiably.  I can understand if Muhammad first insulted your parents, but that is not the case, at least I did not read that.  If Muhammad first insulted your parents, then my apologies and you have a right to respond in kind if you choose to.  Even if Ousainou was your father, you will not get very far taking it personal with the electorate he is trying to lead.  Ousainou has siblings and kids, how come they did not come here to trade with those that oppose Ousainou over the years?  The reason being, they know that if Ousainou was minding his business as a Lawyer, none will bother with him unless one needs legal services.  The moment Ousainou makes his business, the people's business then all bets are off and he will receive the good, bad, ugly and then some.  This also applies to Halifa, OJ, Hamat, Bush, Yaya, etc.  I hope you do not make it a habit to call folks' parents because this site may be shut down with the riot that will follow.  We all can be equal opportunity Jacka**** if we must.

Joe

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:01:44 -0700
From: [log in to unmask]

Subject: ILLEGITIMATE SUNTUBA MOO FORING DAD IS PATEH BAH?
To: [log in to unmask]

Well Suntuba Moofooring Jankading,
 
Ask Sedia Jatta who my dad is, he will tell you. You are from Sandu! You don't have to tell me. I know. I know that your dad  is impotent and for that matter Pateh was fucking your mum until you were conceived. Have you ever wondered why you don't even look like your dad You bastard. Do you know that I once fuck your mum. You jankandiung. Please tell your about this and she will confirm it. You son a bitch. That bitch is your mum. You fucking cunt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Muhammad Bai Drammeh


--- On Fri, 11/6/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [>-<] WILL DARBOE RESIGN AS PARTY LEADER IN SOMA?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Friday, 11 June, 2010, 12:58

Muhammed
To be frank, responding to you is a low down.
I will tel why your brothers hardly want to deal with you.
 
do you know the reason why you are immodest and rude? simple, you are an illegitimate child. I hate to say this before my Juma prayers, however, to make it clear to you that, the anger that you show to your own brothers is the same stupidity you manifest here.
Do you think you are angering me? Take a drink and read carefully.
 
Your father, who played second fiddle to Sekou Bai, whose illness delighted the whole of Sandou quietly delighted your father also. Ask Musa Drammeh in Dibba Kunda, He will tell you the full story.
 
However, I would like to apologise to all children born out of wedlock in advance. I have nothing against any of them, since they didn't play any part in their conception. But should a bastard continue to act like one, there is no option but for society to see them as outcasts.
This is the story of Muhammed Bia Drammeh.
His father played second fiddle to the tyrant chief Sekubai Drammeh who was the Sayfo of Sandou from the late 1970's to 1987. Sekoubai never have any boundary. He indulge in whatever comes his way. His useless half-brother is the so call father of Muhammed Bai Drammeh.
Muhammed Bai from his childhood to his useless adult life is never taken seriously by the likes of Musa Drammeh former MP for Sandou.
Musa and the rest knew Muhammed Bai was the product of fling between his mother and the slave of Sekou Bai.
The Drammeh kunda folks in Diyabuku still have domestic slaves. What this do is that, a number of children became the product of this slaves because the men don't fear that, their slaves will defile their wives.
Muhammed Bia should phone Musa Drammeh immediately and find out.
I know the Sarahuleh hate illegitimate borns more than any community. Muhammed Bai sadly, never knows this fact. This is why, all his brother hardly want to do anything with him.
 
Hence all his erratic behaviours is a by-product of his unclean birth. I am sorry to let you know, but your conduct is such that, you have to be told.
I knew about you a long time Muhammed. You can never in the life in you anger me.
 
You never start to say anything unless you see the UDP progressively doing something. Only an APRC idiot will do that.
You should remember that, the Sarahulehs are looking at you with disgusting eyes. They see you as unclean and one who cannot be of good use. Hence the ill-discipline in you.
 
We don't have to agree with each other, however the least we can do is respect each other. But if you think, you are angering Suntou and others, think again Drammeh.
Your Dad was sadden by Sekoubai constant comments against his uselessness. This is why, he never had any love for his brother. Should I expect a man of your background to respect men of honour, dignity and foresight? Hell no.
You are simply unclean, not even fit to talk in a decent crowd. However, the internet is such that, even foul beings like you can dire open your filthy mouth.
 
I can provide you Musa's  number should you wish to verify. Ask him why, no one ever told you about your real Dad.
 
We don't mind anybody disliking Ousainou, he is a politician who expect to get hated or dislike even by invalids, however, the comments against him should remain within what is of value in the public space. Insulting him and been rude is not a legitimate subject of discussion.
 
So Muhammed, be ready to be told more about your background. You started the fight, be rest asure, the gossip loving Gambian males will be entertained before we end the the discussions. And I don't require any body's advice. The time to do that was when Muhammed Bai insulted Ousainou and you were quiet. Hold your peace.
 
Suntou Bolonba


 
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Suntuba Moo furing,
 
The problem of Darboe is that he is a proven  coward and he lacks any dignity. He is a loser and therefore would you not advise your friend to to the lst honour he has left in him. He should go and let the UDP move forward?

Muhammad Bai Drammeh


--- On Thu, 10/6/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [>-<] WILL DARBOE RESIGN AS PARTY LEADER IN SOMA?
To: [log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 10 June, 2010, 23:07


Lamin
The UDP will choose the man they think can win the election for them. We are not remotely interested in your advise so far the person the party is going to choose is concern.
For once, advise the party or person of your choice. This is utter hypocrisy. The UDP choice of Darboe will be a popular one should that happen, however, whoever the delegates choose will lead the party.
So really the endless personal dislike of Darboe will not swing the way the UDP supporters think.
Suntou

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Lamin Sey <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Mr. Drammeh,
 
You sound angry;please calm down.I think the UDP organizing a congress is very encouraging at this point.The democratic process must be given chance to move on.
 
I would also encourage Darboe to step aside at this congress and give chance to a new flagbearer whilst he remains party leader.This would make the UDP avoid the entrenchment most people believe is affecting Jammeh right now.
 
All signs are that;Darboe would be re-elected if he contest, due to the Gambian people's  inherent nature of too much loyalty to a leader, but he would do good to himself and his integrity if he rejects any nomination and avoid another MansaKonko.
 
I wish the UDP a very successful congress.
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear All,
 
It came to my attention that UDP will hold a congress in SOMA. Darboe was the party in since 1996 and he has shown absolute cowardice during his time as the leader of the UDP. He has shown that he lacks personality and charisma. He has shown absolute selfishness and he he has multiplied the dignity of the UDP by zero and the honour left with the UDP was further deducted by -100.
 
A political leader is a servant of the the people. A political is a commander of his his faithful supporters. A political leader should be ready to sacrifice his life in the interest of his nation. Darboe lack these qualities and this is why he is harming the UDP.
 
Darboe lacks the economic competence to take The Gambia forward and he is politically immature in addition to the coward that he is.
 
There are allegation that Darboe is a drunkard and he has done very little to dispel this rumour. If the allegation is true then he will lack the sound judgement required of a statesman.
 
Darboe is a loser and an opportunist and he is the reason behind all the Jammeh victory and for this matter he should resign and concentrate on his legal profession of which he is not even excellent at.
 
Darboe lost it and thus the only honour he has left in him is to admit that he lost it and give up being the party leader of the UDP.
 
As long as Darboe the coward is there contesting Jammeh will continue to win and for the sake of the Gambian nation and for the interest of the suffering Gambian Darboe the coward should stand aside and let the UDP select a new leader. Darboe in the elections is the same equation as Jammeh clinging on to power.
 
The happiest man when Darboe the coward the is leader of the UDP will be Jammeh. This is because Darboe the coward is his winning machine.
 
I therefore urged the UDP to dump the coward and select a progressive new leader.
 
Darboe the coward time is up so dump and ditch him!!!!!!!!!

Muhammad Bai Drammeh





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