-----Original Message----- From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:56 am Subject: Re: Clarification Was Re: List Manager(s), Please stop this senselessness! Ginny Quick, Keep rambling and i knew you will resort to me sending you threats. But this is the mail I sent in private because of obvious reasons: Ginny, I do not desire to associate with you. I am only copying this mail to you because of your usual deliberate attempt to misrepresent as well as the fact that my mails as per your requested are being censored. I hope you will not start crying victim and that i am sending you private mail. This is the first and perhaps the last mail I will ever send you privately. Your type irks me and i do not have time for hypocrites. I know you are adept to innuendoes so i will let you be. To you it is mere disagreement, for me if someone chooses to persistently bully or harass me, i will do whatever is necessary to snuff the life out of that person. Call it whatever you want. You refuse to acknowledge that i have consistently avoided, ignored the jibes and have told your friend i do find him calling me names amusing. I sure know what is a mere disagreement and someone who gets kicks on trying to belittle, harass and bully. I am not surprise of what you wrote, i will never succumb to bullying and harassment and will do whatever is necessary to defend myself from such creatures. Mboge Now Ginny you said perhaps i should have written "shut them up" or "silence them" or "take all necessary action to insure that they do not bully or harass anyone else again". Since i care less if you give the benefit of the doubt or can't this your suggestions be interpretted anyone the way they want to. All these can be interpreted as violence. As i said i have no time for hypocrites and their innuendoes and will let you enjoy your usual playing the victim. Mboge On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Greetings, all, I wanted to clarify my earlier message, as I've begun to get private emails regarding it. Firstly, I'm sorry if in referring to Mboge's comments alone that it seemed as though I was taking any sides in this matter, because I am not. I've stopped following the exchange between Haruna and Modou a long time ago because of it's obnoxiousness. Secondly, private email seems to indicate that I may be perceived as playing the victim (something that the emailer seems to think I do quite often) in commenting on this, and I apologize if that seems to be the case. I can't be a victim in something that I had no part in, so if it seems like I'm trying to come crying to the list or play the victim role I truly am sorry, because I most certainly didn't feel that way when I wrote my original message in reply to Bailo's message. My comments on not wishing to comment on a list where one risks being insulted or worse, are just mere observations, and in general, I have made my online presence, well, less present, and that has nothing to do with this particular list per se, that again was just a general observation. To be clear, I do not choose to participate in a list or discussion, in any shape, form, or fashion, where I risk being insulted. And if someone threatens to "snuff the life out of someone" because they perceive them to be a bully or a harasser, and not only say it publicly but privately as well, I'm not sure how you could take that any other way than to say that this might not be someone you want to engage in a discussion with, lest they perceive a disagreement to be a bullying or a harassment, especially if you've disagreed with said person in the past, and they thus decide to "snuff the life out of" someone because they've perceived them to be a bully, etc. I'm not saying that Mboge is going to resort to violence, I'm just saying he's threatened to, over something that started out as a mere disagreement, and this is not someone that I choose to engage in a discussion with because of this. And this did, at first, start out as a disagreement, and not a "bullying" or a "harassment", though it could have very well turned into such, though as I said, I've stopped following the discussion. I've had things said to me on this and other lists in the past that I could have taken as harassing, even down to receiving private emails threatening myself and my family, if I continued to speak out on Gambian issues, and never once did I threaten to "snuff the life out of" anyone. Surely, if one is being bullied and harassed, they have other recourse than to kill the harasser, and this is just my "inyuendo" again, again per the private emailer, than I'm sorry. But to me words mean things, you don't just say something and then pretend you didn't say it or pretend that it meant something else. Because if it does, pray tell what else could "snuff the life out of" mean exactly? I mean, I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt, which perhaps I should have made clear in my original message, and say that perhaps Mboge meant "shut them up" or "silence them" or "take all necessary action to insure that they do not bully or harass anyone else again". But that is not what he said. Twice, both to me privately via email and on list, he's threatened to "snuff the life out of" anyone who's bullying or harassing him. And if he came back and clarified his statement and said, something like "no no I'm sorry, I didn't mean it the way you and others may have thought, but I meant such and such", then I'd be happy to admit to my victimhood and inyuendo and graciously admit that I was wrong. But that is not what he said. To be clear, I do not feel like a victim, and I apologize in advance if I mis-perceived anyone's statements, but I find any threat or insult, no matter from where it comes, to be quite troubling. And anyone who would sink to the types of levels I've seen lately are not the kinds of people I feel like having any kind of discussion with at this point. I mean, goodness, if you know that a certain person is going to insult you, or you know someone's going to disagree with you, because of, say, something you disagreed about ten years ago, or if someone that you don't get along with says something you are sure not to agree with anyway, again because it's someone you don't get along with, then for Goodness Sake, please have the maturity to not engage with them, and then perhaps it won't sink to insulting one's parents and threatening to "snuff the life out of" anyone. Apologies for the long message. Inshallah, I have nothing else to say on this, lest I project an unintended image or intent. Ginny -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. 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