Keep rambling and i knew you will resort to me sending you threats.] Olly Mboge.
You knew Ginny will complain of you sending her threatening email, but you sent it anyway??????????? You must realise just as it is your purview to interpret mail sent to you in private or public, it is Ginny's purview to interpret mail sent to her in private or in public. That is how our world revolves. Threat is in the eye of the beholder. You may not determine what constitutes a threat to Ginny or other or what does not constitute a threat to them. Only a bully will reserve rights of interpretation to himself and deny others the right to such interpretation. That is what a dictator is adept at doing. In this instance, even though you KNEW that Ginny would perceive your mail as threat, YOU ISSUED it nonetheless. Do you think you belong here with us with such an attitude? We cannot participate in your wanton threatening of other nor in your wanton bully of any in our number. That will be delinquent of all of us as a community. I encourage you to reconnoitre right before it is too late. I encourage Laye to afford you wise counsel or save us the delinquency.
[But this is the mail I sent in private because of obvious reasons: Ginny, I do not desire to associate with you.] Olly Mboge.
By your mere voluntary subscription to Ellen, and by Ginny's mere voluntary subscription to Ellen, you two have made a choice to associate with each other, the feigns notwithstanding. It is therefore not significant for you to share with us that you do not wish to associate with Ginny but threaten and bully her. The way you complete non-association with Ginny is to voluntarily unsubscribe from Ellen where Ginny is. Now if she follows you to whatever cave you travel to, then she will have been harassing you as you fear. And law-enforcement will have been the appropriate recourse. Not threats and bully.
[I am only copying this mail to you because of your usual deliberate attempt to misrepresent as well as the fact that my mails as per your requested are being censored.] Olly Mboge.
Mboge I think you may be mistaken. The only way you would be certain that you were censored because of a request by Ginny is if the Judge of Censure, in this case Laye, were to share that with you. If he did, it would have been gross negligence and odious insincerity on Laye's part. And I do not think Laye would share that information with you or ANYONE ELSE. Besides the fact that you were given the information that you were censored because of Ginny's objections, you will agree with me that Laye will not make a decision against you based only on Ginny's complaints. That will be egregious on Laye's part and high delinquency as the dictator of Ellen. And if it turns out that you threatened Ginny because you think she was the reason for your censure, then Laye would have participated in that crime. I encourage you and Laye to reconnoitre right and save your fellow community members from wanton graffignette and dishonour.
[I hope you will not start crying victim and that i am sending you private mail.] Olly Mboge.
There is hardly a good reason for Ginny to cry victim for receiving private mail from you or other. When anyone receives unwanted private mail, first you block the sender from sending them to you. If the private mail is of a criminal nature, you advise your local law enforcement. Even if the two concerned parties live in separate countries, local law enforcement knows how to handle international e-crime. This is how good community members help in deterring crime and prosecuting criminals. Not crying about it.
[This is the first and perhaps the last mail I will ever send you privately.] Olly Mboge.
This is magnanimous on your part Mboge. Or at the very least, when you send private mail to anyone, do not send threats along with it. It is encouraging for you to decide on your own accord not to send private mail to our friend Ginny.
[Your type irks me and i do not have time for hypocrites.] Olly Mboge.
It is relieving that you have decided not to send private mail to our friend Ginny who does not appreciate private threatening mail from you.
[I know you are adept to innuendoes so i will let you be.] Olly Mboge.
I did not see where Ginny issued an innuendo against you Mboge. And for what its worth, innuendos are casting aspersions (generally falsehoods) against other without direct reference to their identity.
[To you it is mere disagreement, for me if someone chooses to persistently bully or harass me, i will do whatever is necessary to snuff the life out of that person.] Olly Mboge.
Mboge, maybe the English language and sobriety gives you mirages. Let me share an idea or two with you on this. Because, and as you have admitted, bullying and harassment are in the eyes of the beholder, before you decide to snuff the life out of any person (that is if you are capable of that) you must make sure they are actually bullying and harassing you and that it was not a figment of your warped imagination. The best thing is to report your anxieties to your local law enforcement because they will be able to share ideas with you as to what constitutes bullying and harassment. You must not rely on your own judgement (which is suspect) to exact punishment on other. The world does not work that way. If it did, you would not have found other humans here.
[Call it whatever you want.] Olly Mboge.
That again is Ginny's purview.
[You refuse to acknowledge that i have consistently avoided, ignored the jibes and have told your friend i do find him calling me names amusing.] Olly Mboge.
Do not. Even though this is innuendo against Haruna, I am not aversed by it. To respond to your allegation of name-calling, You Mboge have called me and others names oodles of times. Sometimes I have even advised you not to call me names. So is it that no one can call you names but YOU can call others names????????????????????????? That is the $64,000 question. And you must realize that whenever someone offends you, you should try to figure out if that offense may have been done in retaliation to your offending that person. Given that you accord yourself extraordinary privileges of discernment and wish to deny your fellows those same privileges, it is no wonder you're a cry-baby here.
[I sure know what is a mere disagreement and someone who gets kicks on trying to belittle, harass and bully.] Olly Mboge.
Your fellows also have the same privileges to discern mere disagreement and wanton gaucherie.
[I am not surprise of what you wrote, i will never succumb to bullying and harassment and will do whatever is necessary to defend myself from such creatures.] Olly Mboge.
Just be sure you're defending yourself from harrasment and bully Mboge. QUit throwing tantrums for no reason.
If I didn't have religion I'd say you need mental help.
[Now Ginny you said perhaps i should have written "shut them up" or "silence them" or "take all necessary action to insure that they do not bully or harass anyone else again". Since i care less if you give the benefit of the doubt or can't this your suggestions be interpretted anyone the way they want to.] Olly Mboge.
That's the idea Mboge. Anyone can interpret anything however they desire or as it suits their fancy. So what happened is humanity established some standards and laws to take the ambiguity in interpretation out of a good number of situations in human life, alone or in community.
[All these can be interpreted as violence.] Olly Mboge.
I do not interpret them as violence by themselves. I have to read the context in which they were said. That means I have to read the entire story or the paragraphs preceding and following those comments Mboge. That is how you determine if a certain comment is violent or not. You cannot life statements and comments out of context and claim they are violent and then go about rampaging through the street snuffing the life out of anyone who issues those statements or comments. The world in Norway does not work that way. And Norway is an exemplary society to live in.
[As i said i have no time for hypocrites and their innuendoes and will let you enjoy your usual playing the victim.] Olly Mboge.
I encourage you to consider this comment against someone you victimize. It is not your place, especially after victimizing someone, to discount their chagrin as "playing the victim".
Later Mboge.
Haruna.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Ginny Quick
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Greetings, all, I wanted to clarify my earlier message, as I've begun
to get private emails regarding it. Firstly, I'm sorry if in referring
to Mboge's comments alone that it seemed as though I was taking any
sides in this matter, because I am not. I've stopped following the
exchange between Haruna and Modou a long time ago because of it's
obnoxiousness. Secondly, private email seems to indicate that I may be
perceived as playing the victim (something that the emailer seems to
think I do quite often) in commenting on this, and I apologize if that
seems to be the case. I can't be a victim in something that I had no
part in, so if it seems like I'm trying to come crying to the list or
play the victim role I truly am sorry, because I most certainly didn't
feel that way when I wrote my original message in reply to Bailo's message.
My comments on not wishing to comment on a list where one risks being
insulted or worse, are just mere observations, and in general, I have
made my online presence, well, less present, and that has nothing to do
with this particular list per se, that again was just a general observation.
To be clear, I do not choose to participate in a list or discussion, in
any shape, form, or fashion, where I risk being insulted. And if
someone threatens to "snuff the life out of someone" because they
perceive them to be a bully or a harasser, and not only say it publicly
but privately as well, I'm not sure how you could take that any other
way than to say that this might not be someone you want to engage in a
discussion with, lest they perceive a disagreement to be a bullying or
a harassment, especially if you've disagreed with said person in the
past, and they thus decide to "snuff the life out of" someone because
they've perceived them to be a bully, etc. I'm not saying that Mboge
is going to resort to violence, I'm just saying he's threatened to,
over something that started out as a mere disagreement, and this is not
someone that I choose to engage in a discussion with because of this.
And this did, at first, start out as a disagreement, and not a
"bullying" or a "harassment", though it could have very well turned
into such, though as I said, I've stopped following the discussion.
I've had things said to me on this and other lists in the past that I
could have taken as harassing, even down to receiving private emails
threatening myself and my family, if I continued to speak out on
Gambian issues, and never once did I threaten to "snuff the life out
of" anyone. Surely, if one is being bullied and harassed, they have
other recourse than to kill the harasser, and this is just my
"inyuendo" again, again per the private emailer, than I'm sorry. But
to me words mean things, you don't just say something and then pretend
you didn't say it or pretend that it meant something else. Because if
it does, pray tell what else could "snuff the life out of" mean
exactly? I mean, I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt, which
perhaps I should have made clear in my original message, and say that
perhaps Mboge meant "shut them up" or "silence them" or "take all
necessary action to insure that they do not bully or harass anyone else
again". But that is not what he said. Twice, both to me privately via
email and on list, he's threatened to "snuff the life out of" anyone
who's bullying or harassing him. And if he came back and clarified his
statement and said, something like "no no I'm sorry, I didn't mean it
the way you and others may have thought, but I meant such and such",
then I'd be happy to admit to my victimhood and inyuendo and graciously
admit that I was wrong. But that is not what he said.
To be clear, I do not feel like a victim, and I apologize in advance if
I mis-perceived anyone's statements, but I find any threat or insult,
no matter from where it comes, to be quite troubling. And anyone who
would sink to the types of levels I've seen lately are not the kinds of
people I feel like having any kind of discussion with at this point.
I mean, goodness, if you know that a certain person is going to insult
you, or you know someone's going to disagree with you, because of, say,
something you disagreed about ten years ago, or if someone that you
don't get along with says something you are sure not to agree with
anyway, again because it's someone you don't get along with, then for
Goodness Sake, please have the maturity to not engage with them, and
then perhaps it won't sink to insulting one's parents and threatening
to "snuff the life out of" anyone.
Apologies for the long message.
Inshallah, I have nothing else to say on this, lest I project an
unintended image or intent.
Ginny
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