Wise thoughts indeed. Hope & pray that all ooposition supporters reflect on the above quote and take heed.
Bailo
--- On Mon, 5/7/10, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE UDP CONGRESS
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 5 July, 2010, 2:11
"Those who believe in this Ayatollah Sallah gaffe have proven themselves to be mere dummies who need to be saved from themselves".Mr. Daffeh,There is nothing that warrants you to call anyone dummies for believing what they want to believe. Anybody is entitle to believe anything they want... everyone of us here is entitle to make our own observations and believe what we want to believe....This is the wrong approach to political reconciliation and to be honest the real dummies are those who think they can walk themselves straight to the State House by alienating political players and calling people names....Past experience and political maturity dictates that we learn from the past and shape a future for Gambia... Opposition parties has gone this route before and the results were simply a shame.... if we continue on this same route the only winners will be those who believe in the status quo...
Demba
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Rene, you done good. I don't want to belabour this point.You agreed that in Gambia, membership of and support for a party are indistinguishable and for good reason.You also agreed that no opposition party, perhaps besides PDOIS, requires her supporters or prospective voters to register membership to the party.You also agreed that it is ridiculous and cacamayme to assert that "No opposition political party in Gambia has more than 20,000 card-carrying members".You will recognize then any conclusion Halifa draws for Agenda-2050 relying on cacamayme is itself cacamayme.And that's not all the garbaldigook in Halifa's press-release on the UDP congress. Whether Halifa is of value to Gambia, PDOIS, or Forovda, I will leave that to you to discern. I haven't figured that out yet. He can change though. But as of now, he has been useless to Gambia as far as I can discern. What he does for PDOIS and Forovda is his concern. He will not play with Gambians as long as I'm with you here. And Gambians are unto him. And Badou from Kaolack.Haruna.To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
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Rene, I'm pleased we have now established that any difference between
party membership and party supporter, in as much as resident Gambians
are concerned, is SEMANTIC and AMBIGUOUS at best. So Daffeh was correct
in ridiculing Halifa's postulation that no single opposition party had
more than
20,000 CARD-CARRYING members. I highlight CARD-CARRYING
because that was what Halifa actually said. So Halifa was not actually
wrong in what he said. It was just ridiculous a bit because he may not
be aware that unlike PDOIS and possibly APRC, other parties do not
REQUIRE their voters/supporters/members to carry cards depicting such
registration. In general, when a citizen decides to register as a
member of a party, they belong to that cadre of the party such as the
executive or maintenance body of that party. That means they have
"VOLUNTEERED" to assist the party in sustenance from election to
election. They maintain the life of the party. Although it would be
expected that those people vote for the party in all subsequent
elections, they are not required to do so.
Haruna, I have read your exchange with Modou with respect to the above
issue. I have tried to be as clear as
possible in my understanding of
membership to a party, as opposed to be being a supporter of a party.
The first carries a responsibility and an obligation whilst the second
does not. This is why I indicated that though the distinction may be
little its bears upon responsibility and obligation. For instance, the
members of a party bears the responsibility of electing the executives
of the party; the supporters of the party cannot shoulder this
responsibility because in the constitution of the party, it may be
spelt out as to how the executive can be elected. And most certainly it
would be done by the members themselves. I cannot imagine a scenario
where a party would invite supporters, who do not register their
membership with the party, to elect its executive. There must be some
sort of internal dynamics within the party itself to bear this
obligation. It cannot come from outside of it.
Your
exchange with Modou will bear testament to this. Whereas, in
fulfilling the Independent Electoral Commission's requirement for both
the registration of a political party, and the nomination of a
political candidate, dictate that a member of a political party who
also carries a voters card must register with the IEC for these
purposes, you keep substituting voter for member and draws no
distinction between the two. One is general and the other is
particular. That kind of argument is clever; it is pedantic but
obviously obfuscate the reasoning behind it. From what I can discern,
the IEC requirement clearly stipulates that a MEMBER OF THE PARTY who
is also A REGISTERED VOTER, must satisfy the requirement to register a
party or nominate a canidate. It is not an either or. You must be a
member of the party and you must be a registered voter. Go over your
notes again. Rene.
I think you're
following my logic here Rene. Stop me when I stray.
You are very clever. That much I will give you. Rene.
If you go back and read Halifa's culprit paragraph in its entirety, you
will recognize how he ascribes the realities of PDOIS and other obvious
and innocuous facts, strings them together, to arrive at the conclusion
that supports the postulates of PDOIS' Agenda-2011. I know he does not
want to accept the fact that Agenda-2011 is replete with such
garbaldigook and Gambians such as Haruna are not interested in that. We
have work to do. But Halifa wants to force us to consider that
cacamayme anyway by issuing a friggin Press-Release on the UDP Congress
just held. First of all, if Daffeh did not respond to that
insignificant press-release, I would not have given it casual review.
Halifa has no locus standi to issue any release muich less press
release on UDP, NRP, GMC, nadd, ppp, or
APRC congress. I think you will
accept that without prejudice Rene. The reason he issued a
press-release on it is to find a way to advance PDOIS' campaign guised
in an Agenda-2050. I know I may not convince you of that just yet. Your
indoctrination in PDOIS and circumstance will not allow that just yet.
But it will come for I have enormous faith in your acumen. For now, I
will address your notes proper:
Having read your exchange with Modou, I think that will suffice for me.
Modou tried to answer most of your concerns above .However, your
reference to being indoctrinated in PDOIS is what I will take issue
with. I am not a member of PDOIS, although you can consider me as a
supporter or a sympathizer. If you cannot find value in the enormous
contributions PDOIS, or Halifa in particular, has made over the years
on the political situation in the Gambia; on the economic situation in
the Gambia
and on the others issues that relates to our society and
culture, I obviously do. And as we continue this conversation this will
become apparent. Halifa has already sowed the seeds; they are out
there. You may call it indoctrination, but when the full force of this
potency is released it will be something completely different. Rene.
[Haruna, a political party must have clear aims and objectives of what
it hopes to achieve. The members of the party are to articulate such
aims and objectives, so as to give the party a political direction. The
level of conviction and commitment to the ultimate aims and objectives
of the party, may be more robust for a member than for a supporter. So
there may be a little distinction in terms of responsibility and
obligation.] Rene.
Rene, but for a few minor adjustments, I will agree with you on the
theme of your statements. Here are the
adjustments;
2nd sentence:
The EXECUTIVE members and associated affiliated groups (Youth wing,
women's wing, unions) of the party are EXPECTED to articulate the
party's aims and objectives.
Why only the Executive and associated affiliated groups are EXPECTED
to articulate the party's aims and objectives, and not the general
membership? Rene.
That is the campaign proper to attract supporters and voters. Rene,
membership connotes a legal act, either written or oral expression. If
you agreed that membership to a party in Gambia is not readily
discernible from supporting such party, and you continue to be confused
here, you will agree that we will not understand you very well. I want
you to make that relevant distinction in your future notes.
I refer you to my notes above where I went over this issue again.
Political direction means to seek out a sympathetic polity.The
articulation here is the campaign proper. I thought I'd enhance your
notes here. They all have equally robust conviction and commitment.
The members of a political party in Gambia are the same as the party's
supporters Rene.
The scope and scale of conviction and commitment of a member is exactly
the same as that of a supporter where membership of a party is not
readily discernible.
Given what I have already stated above we will just agree to disagree.
Rene.
[Moreover, the point I want to make is that if membership to a
political party is determine by criteria; those who willingly accept to
meet those criteria can therefore be said to members of that party.
This is different from supporters, who may not have the same
inclination to register (appy) for membership to those parties; pay the
membership fee and abide by the rules and regulations that govern the
party. It is the number
to such registered (apply) members of such
political parties that the 20,000 figure infers.] Rene.
Membership of a political party in Gambia is not determined by
criteria. Any citizen can be a member of any political party in Gambia.
Probably with the exception of PDOIS. No other party I know of in
Gambia has a policy of their supporters and voters registering as
members of the party. I know that PDOIS has required the members of
their Central committe and Politburo to pay dues. The executive and
associated affiliate groups may contribute to the sustenance of the
party but their supporters and voters are not registered members.
Halifa said "CARD-CARRYING" members. This connotes the activites of
communist parties who require the central committee and politburo
members to carry their membership cards so they could identify each
other when it comes to favouritism in policy and activities.
This is
the mindset that is so insiduous. You will recall in one of the notes
Dad shared with us after PDOIS' Congress that alluded to setting up
ventures for PDOIS members back home in Gambia. This theme of
favouritism and therefore a narrowed membership pool is very
detrimental to PDOIS, and it is elitist. You see Gambians have long
recognized that if you are not a CARD-CARRYING member of PDOIS, even if
you vote for them, you are not significant to PDOIS when it comes time
to draft governance policy. This explains the 2.3% voting for PDOIS. It
is likely to stay that way. It is very difficult for PDOIS to change
this posture because the foundation of the party is based on such
elitist and discriminatory activities based on populist rhetoric. Don't
try to divine what the erudite Halifa infers. He is a prodigious
writer. Some of his writings and speeches are older than you Rene.
Wow, Haruna. That
is a serious indictment. You have cheapen here the
enormous contributions PDOIS, and Halifa in particular, has made over
the past sevearal years. And I don't think it is fair. Rene
[You contend that Halifa cannot know which party, if any, has 20,000,
30,000 or so members. I would only say that Halifa is very deliberate,
and I will not be surprised if he comes up with an explanation of how
he arrives at that conclusion.] Rene.
Don't worry Rene. Halifa's notes are self-explanatory. His notes said
"Card-carrying" members. Look at it for yourself. I will not expect
Halifa to explain that any further. That will have been an exercise in
mental contortion of epochal proportions and it will open up another
can of intractable worms.
[1. Haruna, what then is the basis of supporting a political party in
the Gambia? 2. Do people support political parties base on their
programs? 3.
Do they support political parties base on their policies?
4. Do they support
political parties base on their ideas?] Rene.
1. Whatever basis a supporter conjures up is the basis for his/her
support of a party.
2. Yes.
3. Yes
4. Yes.
And these 4 questions do not exhaust the calculus people in Gambia
support parties.
Haruna, you have answered in the affirmative to all the questons above.
This is the ideal. This is how we suppose our political system to
function. That is why political parties who are really committed to
their programs, their policies and their ideas take the time,
constantly, to explain to the people what these programs, policies and
ideas entail. This is so, precisely, so that when such political
parties assume the reins of power, the people will know exactly what to
expect from them. But this ideal, I dare say with the exception of
PDOIS, does not conform
to the reality of our politics on the ground.
The politics of patronage, inducement and an appeal to tribal or ethnic
sentiments in as much as we may want to negate its potency, is very
much a part of the political fabric that makes it possible to sustain a
political hegemony for 45 years that we have been an independent
nation. The first lasted for over 30 years, and the second is more than
15 years and counting. Rene.
[We have to recognize that our societies are continually in a state of
conflict. More so, when it is govern by diverse interest. This is the
reason we have different political parties. This is the reason we have
groups that emerge and compete against each other. We all want to
promote and sustain the interest of whatever we represent. However,
with a democractic system organized around a sound constitutional
arrangement, with checks and balances, institutions and structures that
promote the health and welfare of the people, all these conflicts can
be managed to the betterment of everyone.] Rene.
Believe it or not Rene I totally support your above statement and this
is what my life is all about. Thank you for echoing my thoughts here.
[I completely agree with you about whatever electoral calculus people
have in winning an election, but I do hope that it will be under an
environment that promotes the rule of law; that respects the sanctity
of human life and the dignity of the human being. And environment that
celebrates freedom of expression, and all the other freedoms, as long
as it is not injurious to the state and other people.] Rene.
I said you were a beautiful man Rene. That was an understatement. The
only adjustment I would make is to remove your last statement "as long
as it is not injurious to the state and other people". This is because
when
people vote under a rule of law, that law takes care of injury to
the state and your fellow. Unless of course you imagine other law to
discern injury to state or other that is different from the reductive
constitutional law. In the main, I think your heart is in the right
place. And I appreciate your admission of error. I think all PDOISards
should aspire to be like you Rene. They will be the wiser for it.
As long as it is not injurious to the state and other people. Just to
bear on the fact that people have rights and they also have
responsibilties. The law states those rights and responsibilties for
the people as well as the state. Everyone should act within the bounds
of the law. Rene.
Haruna. I love you Rene. Did I say that? Ok. I mean it.
Thanks. Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: rebadjan <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE UDP CONGRESS
Haruna, I am doing good. Good to hear from you too. I have read the
ideas that you share with me, and I find them useful. Find below my
response to some of yours.-----Original Message-----From: Haruna Darbo
<[log in to unmask]>To: [log in to unmask]: Wed,
Jun 30, 2010 7:34 pmSubject: Re:
Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER
THE UDP CONGRESSRene, how are you? Good to hear you again. At least you
have a temporary release permit from the Big Dinko. From me. Haruna.
Before your permit expires, Let me share some ideas with
you:[--------Original Message----- From: rebadjan [log in to unmask] To:
GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010
6:24 pm Subject: Re: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE UDP
CONGRESS-----Original Message----- From: UDP United Kingdom
<[log in to unmask]>To:
[log in to unmask] Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 10:01 pm Subject:
Re: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE UDP CONGRESS"But hey!
did you spot Ayatollah Sallah's gaffe? He said [ I
am paraphrasing] there is no party in the Gambia with more than 20,000
members. Does anyone seriously believe that?"] Rene, Paraphrasing
Daffeh.[Is there a difference between a member of a party and a
supporter of a party? Most of the people who vote in Gambian elections
are supporters of the party they vote for, and may not necessarily be
members of those parties.] Rene.(Rene, in Gambia, there is no
difference between members of a party and supporters of that party.
Among diasporan Gambians that distinction is more apparent. In effect,
you are right that some
people who vote for a party in Gambia may not
necessarily be members of the party or even open supporters of that
party for good spectacular reason. These are semantics for Gambia. What
Daffeh is alluding to is that Halifa cannot know which party if any has
20,000, 30,000, 50,000, 10,000, or 100,000 members. To rely on such
inutile analysis is sophomoric. Your statement about voters for a party
in Gambia, can be applied to voters in any nation.)Haruna.Haruna, a
political party must have clear aims and objectives of what it hopes to
achieve. The members of the party are to articulate such aims and
objectives, so as to give the party a political direction. The level of
conviction and commitment to the ultimate aims and objectives of the
party, may be more robust for a member than for a supporter. So there
may be a little distinction in terms of responsibility and
obligation.Moreover, the point I want to
make is that if membership to
a political party is determine by criteria; those who willingly accept
to meet those criteria can therefore be said to members of that party.
This is different from supporters, who may not have the same
inclination to register (appy) for membership to those parties; pay the
membership fee and abide by the rules and regulations that govern the
party. It is the number to such registered (apply) members of such
political parties that the 20,000 figure infers. You contend that
Halifa cannot know which party, if any, has 20,000, 30,000 or so
members. I would only say that Halifa is very deliberate, and I will
not be surprised if he comes up with an explanation of how he arrives
at that conclusion.[In the US, for instance, people register their
affiliation to a political party by being either a democrat, republican
or an independent.] Rene. (NO. That is inaccurate. In
some parts of the
US, folk register their party affiliation. In other parts, folk do not
register their party affiliation. And if the US were a dictatorship
where party registration determines whether you are accorded your human
rights, you will see no one registering their party affiliation. The
same is true for Canada, Russia, Mali, Australia, Ghana, Senegal, and
Kenya.)Haruna.I concur. I went back and review the literature on the
political system in the US, particularly with respect to the
Democractic party and the Republican party, and learn that "the
political parties in the US are more loosely organized than in other
countries." That the Democractic party and the Republican party, have
"no formal organization at the national level that controls membership,
actvities, or policy positions. But there are states that do." "One can
become a member of either of the political parties by merely
stating
that fact."So my statement with respect to political party affiliation
in the US is ill- conceived; the idea is far more elaborate than my
statement presume. I will go back and understand the literature more.
[In the Gambia people do not register their affiliations to a poltical
party.] Rene. (And for good reason. Whatever the case, it is individual
decision to register affiliation or not to register affiliation. It is
not decreed by law of any nation that citizens must register their
party affiliation. If you were in Gambia, would you register your
membership to PDOIS? That is if you are not a member of the Central
Committee or Politburo. Just an ordinary member. I think Halifa is
confusing executive and other committee membership with general
membership. He needs to make that clear. And you need to adjust your
postulations about the folk of US.)Haruna.Only, if I have to run for
political office would party affiliation become somewhat formal. I
would register my membership to PDOIS if I want to run for political
office in the name of PDOIS. I have reconsidered my earlier remark
about party affiliation in the US given what I know now. [They register
to obtain a voters card. And may or may not be members of a political
party.] Rene. This is what happens in all nations which hold elections
for one reason or the other. And the reason is you register so you can
be issued a voter's card. The registration itself is conducted to
ascertain your eligibility to vote and to reduce electoral fraud. It is
not to determine which party you are affiliated with. I think
requiring registration for party affiliation is a communist idea. Why
would you not acknowledge that someone can change his or her mind on
the day of election. Why would you jail them to vote for a party? There
is no point in registering one's party affiliation. if that is so, you
do not need to conduct elections. Why waste the resources when you can
simply count those registrations for the appropriate party on election
day??????????"Haruna. Point well taken. Since I made the postulation
based on a faulty reasoning. "In some states, a voter can register as a
member of one or another party, and vote in the primary elections of
one or another party. Such participation does not restrict one's
choices in any way." [That is why it is difficult to quantify the
support base of a political party in the Gambia.] Rene. (NO no no no
no. There you go again. You erroneously establish registration for
party affiliation as a standard, then you draw conclusions based on
that standard. I know there will be nothing PDOIS would want more than
to compel folk to register their party affiliation. You can probably do
it when I leave you here to play with folk's lives. It ain't gonna
happen as long as I'm alive. On my dead body.) Ok, Haruna. Don't
prosecute PDOIS for what is clearly my own ill conceived notion. Nobody
is going to force anybody to do what they don't want to do.[Whereas
affilation to a political party is govern by principles in places like
the US;] Rene. You PDOISards are so funny. What principles is party
affiliation governed by the US RENE???????????????????????????????
Voting and party support in the US is based on the same principles and
values as it is everywhere in the world. I think these temporary
permits out of the Big Dinko is good for you. Talk to Americans around
you. They'll let you know. [in the Gambia affiliation to a political
party is more nuanced.] Rene. All principles are nuanced Rene. This is
because they are individual principles. There is not a set
set of
principles in the US or anywhere in the world upon which any voter is
mandated to base their electoral calculus. You don't understand do you?
What state in the US do you live in Rene? [It could be motivated by any
given factor.] Rene. YES. For anyone anywhere in the world. It is based
on conditions on the ground. Just like our pulling out of
Afghanistan. [This is the reason why some political analyst give
reference to patronage, inducement, ethnicity and other shared common
linkages as factors that can influence the support base for a political
party.] Rene. (And do you see anyone paying those idiots for their
analysis? You get what you pay for. Analysts are a dime a dozen. And
let me share a secret with you Rene. Don't pay any analyst who tells
you folk vote for or support parties in Gambia based on patronnage,
inducement, ethnicity, and other shared common linkages. You
know why?
Its because these are reasons folk cast their votes everywhere and
besides, you cannot force anyone to change their electoral calculus and
have it free and fair. Men. You PDOISards have a warped sense of the
world in which you live. No wonder you're in a Big Dinko.)Haruna.
Haruna, what then is the basis of supporting a political party in the
Gambia? Do people support political parties base on their programs? Do
they support political parties base on their policies? Do they support
political parties base on their ideas?We have to recognize that our
societies are continually in a state of conflict. More so, when it is
govern by diverse interest. This is the reason we have different
political parties. This is the reason we have groups that emerge and
compete against each other. We all want to promote and sustain the
interest of whatever we represent. However, with a democractic system
organized around a sound constitutional arrangement, with checks and
balances, institutions and structures that promote the health and
welfare of the people, all these conflicts can be managed to the
betterment of everyone.I completely agree with you about whatever
electoral calculus people have in winning an election, but I do hope
that it will be under an environment that promotes the rule of law;
that respects the sanctity of human life and the dignity of the human
being. And environment that celebrates freedom of expression, and all
the other freedoms, as long as it is not injurious to the state and
other people.[It is therefore not outside the realm of possibilties,
that you will find a political party that does not have 20,000
registered members, who are bind by the constitution and the rules and
regulations that govern the party.] Rene. Realm of possibilities????
Duh!!!!
Registered members???????? I don't see the word Registered in
Mr. Daffeh's quote. And even if that is what Halifa meant, which other
party requires all citizens who would vote for them to register as
members???????????? I don't understand. I encourage PDOIS to dispense
with the idea of requiring their supporters and past voters to register
as members of the party. You are effectively imprisoning the mind? How
do you know the voter will not want to change his/her mind a minute
after such registration. Please don't hold our people hostage to
dictatorship and communism. What????? This is why I advised Daffeh
Gambians should leave PDOISards in their Big Dinko for a while longer.
Because even when we go near the Dinko to give them a hand up, they
want to pull us in with them. What????????????Haruna, you have to
understand that political parties are formed by individuals who want to
represent their interest,
as well as the interest of others. Everyone
has the right to represent and to be represented by others. But we all
have the choice either to accept that representation or to seek it
elsewhere. This is why we have choices. And we can choose among the
political parties that come before us and look at their programs and
policies and make inform choices. Or even bad choices. But then every
five years when we have elections we can correct whatever bad choices
we made the last time. We just have to work on having a conducive
environement and a political temperament that accepts dissenting views.
How I long to see in the street corners of Banjul and other
metropolitan capitals in the Gambia, what I see in the street corners
of Manhattan and elsewhere, of people venting their anger and
frustration with loud speakers for all to hear. At the end of the day
they will pack all their paraphernalia and head quietly
home.You make
an interesting observation about party requirements for registration of
membership. How is it going to work? To just declare your membership of
a party and then wait patiently to vote.Thanks for the good ideas. And
thanks for the company too.ReneI encourage you guys to speak some more.
We don't want to get surprised by your schemin'. Registered
members!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wolla Allah!!!! Haruna. I find that statement
quite pathetic. May be that is just anothertypical PDOIS hyperbole. The
guys now sounds like a complete tosser. Nowonder the other parties are
taking no notice. Regards Daffeh On 30/06/2010, Haruna Darbo
<[log in to unmask]> wrote: Mr.Daffeh, to butress your point in
PDOIS' arrogance and haughtydisposition, and before Caesar get ahold of
your notes, the reason whyPDOIS is not naturally capable of negotiation
or considering any otherpoint of view can be traced to PDOIS' origins.
PDOIS began as aninstrument of "Re-education" for a people they view as
savage,illiterate, and unconditioned. In other words instead of
accepting thattheir fellow Gambians have a right to Free choice,
expression, andassociation for industry and worship, PDOIS asserts that
a sovereignmust have a base level of consciousness and or "education"
before thesesacrosanct divine rights can be appreciated. So PDOIS has
assigneditself the duty to conduct that re-education and
conscience-building inorder to make the Gambian people ready to receive
their God-givenrights. Well I want PDOIS to know something: We are not
fullyedumacated yet. I should think we will be ready in 2050.
ForgetAgenda-2011. We want Agenda-2050. With Love from Haruna. And
Badou I'm not
paranoid or angry. I'm pissed. -----Original
Message-----From: UDP United Kingdom
<[log in to unmask]>To: GAMBIA-L
<[log in to unmask]>Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 6:28
pmSubject: Re: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE UDP
CONGRESS''In the spirit of compromise, will the UDP consider a united
front ledby your party leader on the above premise? With your party's
numericalstrength, I don't see any down side to such an arrangement. Is
there?At the end of the purported five years, you should cruise to
victory ina free and fair elections. No? '' Ousman, thanks for your
observation above.However, its
looks like thisis not even a starter as
PDOIS would not even entertain any discussionthat tend to suggest a UDP
led allaince.In 2006, the UDP invitedNADD's flag bearer for talks
regarding the possible inclusion of NADDinto the UDP led allaince but
this was outrightly rejected. Halifa ison records saying any such thing
will amount to helping somebody tobecome an elite. So it is clear these
people's ego and arrogance willnever allow them to reason with anybody.
That is why when we talkabout a coaliton of opposition parties, it is
better we don't talkabout PDOIS. I personally don't want them there
and I certainly don'twant them to be talked to. These people will never
entertain anythingthat is not their creation and unfortunately, theirs'
are always aliento our planet. For Example, where on earth did you ever
heard acoalition of independant soveriegn parties contesting a primary
tochoose a candidate? You tell them that; they would say oh no
agenda2011 is not partisan. If it is not partisan why calling on
parties toendorse it? We all have Agenda 2011 in our own rights. They
just happen to bedifferent. My understanding from OJ's Freedom
Newspaper Radio interviewis that this Agenda 2011 being talked about by
PDOIS is HalifaSallah's agenda for the year 2011. So it must be left
to him for he isentitled to have an agenda of his own. I will not talk
about some of the grotesque statements made in thePDOIS Press
Release for there is a lot in store for that but can I sayone
thing;other than reference to the constituent parties ofNADD, there is
no single mention of the word 'party' in the MOU thatestablishes
NADD. Kind regards Daffeh On 29/06/2010, Ousman Ceesay
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:Suntou,Politics is the art of
compromise. I understand the numericalstrength of the UDP in comparison
to their siblings in the oppositiongoing by the results of past
elections. However, reading through theForoyaa editorial posted by
Nyang, I am intrigued by the following:"Hence PDOIS favours the
creation of a transitional administrationafter the APRC government that
would last for a period of 2 to 5 years".In the spirit of compromise,
will the UDP consider a united front ledby your party leader on the
above premise? With your party's numericalstrength, I don't see any
down side to such an arrangement. Is there?At the end of the purported
five years, you should cruise to victory ina free and fair elections.
No?The only sticking point in the editorial is the issue of
primaries.Intra-party primaries are prevalent, but inter party primary
isn'tgoing to wash. However, I think PDOIS is pragmatic enough to let
thatslide if the transition government arrangement is agreed to by the
UDP.How about giving it a try guys? Hon. Sidia Jatta is the liaison
forPDOIS outreach. Who is the liaison for the UDP, NRP? Intransigence
andideological purity will not win at the end of the day, but
pragmatismwill.http://gambian.blogspot.com From: suntou touray
<[log in to unmask]>To: [log in to unmask]: Tue,
June 29, 2010 7:18:28 AMSubject:
Re: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE
AFTER THE UDP CONGRESSIndeed Haruna, no change there. Unbelievable
stuff. Unity, what unity?Blame the big fish...It will workNo
comments...Suntou On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Haruna
Darbo<[log in to unmask]> wrote:Oh brother.Haruna.-----Original
Message-----From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>To:
GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010
10:59 pmSubject: Foroyaa News:PDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE UDP
CONGRESSPDOIS PRESS RELEASE AFTER THE
UDP CONGRESSBy Mamadou Dem on
28-06-10 (127 reads) News by the same authorWe publish below the full
text of the press release of the People’sDemocratic Organisation for
Independence and Socialism (PDOIS) whichwas read by its Secretary
General, Halifa Sallah, at a press conferenceheld at the People’s
Centre on Saturday, 26 June 2010:The people of the Gambia are facing
the most decisive period of ourhistory. They are at a cross roads. The
moment of decision is justaround the corner. In 2011 they will have the
power to determine whowill manage the affairs of the country. They have
the option to give afresh mandate to the person in office or elect an
alternative leader from the ranks of the opposition. The voter’s card
is an instrument forputting, maintaining or removing a representative
in office. What thevoter thinks should be the concern of those who wish
to seek theirvotes to become public
trustees. What the political
parties andpersonalities think should be the concern of every voter.
Winning orlosing an election could be determined by the vote of a
single voter.Hence each vote is significant enough to determine who or
who will notbe the president of a country or a representative at a
particularlevel. Each voter is as significant as the person who is
electedthrough the combined votes to preside over the affairs of a
Nation. Thebegotten leader cannot be more important than the voter who
makes himor her a leader. Power therefore belongs to the voters. It is
onlyentrusted to leaders to serve the interest of the people. Once
thatpower is abused trust is broken and the people have the authority
todemand for or take back their power and entrust it to any one who
couldearn their trust. The challenge of political leadership is how to
earnthe trust and confidence of the voters. This is the
challenge that
allpolitical parties and leaders must face. They cannot survive
withoutbeing equal to the challenge. This is why political parties hold
congresses and issue Press Releasesfor people to have the information
they need to decide which party andleaders could best serve their
interest.2010 is the year of Congressesand demand by the grass roots
for Internal Party Democracy in theGambia. Two Opposition parties,
PDOIS and the UDP have held theirCongresses. The rest are expected to
hold their own in due course. Whatdoes the future hold for the
electorate is of fundamental importance?This is why PDOIS sees the need
to clear some doubts and help the voterto know where we are to go from
here.PDOIS aims to reiterate again that it could function as a normal
partywithin a multi party system that seeks the mandate of the people
on thebasis of its principles, policies, programmes and practices. Few
peoplewould disagree that PDOIS has a leadership that has the knowledge
andhonesty and is capable of making the supreme sacrifice necessary
topromote the liberty and prosperity of the Gambian people. PDOIS
ishowever realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet
toreach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote
onthe basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.PDOIS
is also conscious that the creation of a genuine multi partysystem that
allows free flow of divergent views on the media willenable PDOIS to
participate in battle to win the hearts and minds ofthe people and
contest for votes on the basis of its principlespolicies and
programmes. PDOIS has always been convinced that if coupmakers could
concede to a two year time table in order to restore aconstitutional
and electoral system which promotes self perpetuatingrule the
opposition forces could
also agree to a transition programmeto build a
genuine multi party system founded on a Genuine RepublicanConstitution
and a free and fair voting system that would give rise tothe undiluted
choice of the people. Hence PDOIS favours the creation of a
transitional administrationafter the APRC government that would last
for a period of 2 to 5 years.The PDOIS Congress has mandated the
Central Committee to mandate SidiaJatta, NADD National Assembly Member,
to be responsible for inter partyrelations. All those who wish to
discuss relation between politicalparties should contact Sidia
Jatta.PDOIS is interested in ensuring that the sovereign Gambian people
takefull charge of their destiny by 2011.PDOIS is conscious of the fact
that during all the nominations forPresidential elections since 1997,
no Presidential Candidate has everhad one’s nomination forms signed by
more than 20,000 people. Thisconfirms
that no party in the Gambia has
more than 20,000 card carryingmembers. This means that most of the
670,336 registered voters are notmembers of political parties. This is
why they shift their politicalloyalties from one political party to
another with relative ease. Thereare no ideological blocs among the
electorate. The country has neverhad the opportunity to have a
citizenry who vote on the basis of theprinciples, policies, programmes
and practices of parties. This is whythe country needs a new start that
will enable all political parties tohave a level ground to contest free
and fair elections. At the momentthe ground is not level or plain and
each opposition party will have anuphill battle to wage to win an
elections. This is why PDOIS is of theview that a platform should be
created that will enable the Gambianelectorate to come together to vote
for the change we want and need, inorder to build the
genuine
democratic system, that ensures that theirconsent will determine their
manner of government.This is why the PDOIS Congress of 24th April 2010
has passed aresolution which imposes on the PDOIS leadership the
decision topromote the selection of an opposition Presidential
Candidate through aprimary. In short, all those who wish to stand
against the APRCcandidate, be they members of political parties or
independentpersonalities, would accept to face each other at a primary
and wouldmutually vow to support the single candidature of the winner.
Thewinner will also agree to administer a transitional Cabinet for
aperiod of two to five years and build the instruments, institutions
andculture of democracy, rights and justice that would culminate in
thecreation of an open and free society that would allow a genuine
multiparty system to thrive. The winner will not carry out any witch
huntingof members
of the past and present administration but would
allow thecourts to function and grievances be pursued through the
courts oralternative dispute resolution mechanisms. All institutions,
private orpublic which are legally established will be protected
throughout thetransition. Cabinet would be constituted through
consultation with allstakeholders This is what Agenda 2011 is all
about.PDOIS’ Congress called on all parties to hold Congresses and
considerwhat is offered by agenda 2011 so that all parties will utilise
theirown platform to promote the determination of an opposition
Candidatethrough a primary and prepare themselves for future multiparty
contestafter the transition.The Central Committee of PDOIS takes this
opportunity to reiteratePDOIS’ stand. It wants its supporters in
particular and all thoseGambian people who value their sovereignty to
know that the onlytransformation that is possible in
2011 is one that
could attract thesupport of the 405,932000 voters who did not vote for
President Jammehin 2006.and the 542,o55 voters who did not vote for the
opposition Most of these people are likely to become involved if they
know thatthey are going to be mandated to select a candidate who will
accept toserve for one term to put a genuine multiparty system in place
andleave office like Nelson Mandela. As far as PDOIS is concerned,
thistransitional Candidate will not have to be a PDOIS leader. He or
shecould originate from another party or civil society. He or She could
beany body selected by the people through a primary.Secondly, the PDOIS
Congress resolves that PDOIS maintains its relationwith NADD until the
next Presidential and National Assembly elections.Sidia Jatta has
started consultation with our other partner in NADD.They had agreed to
wait for the outcome of the UDP Congress to
completetheir discussion.
PDOIS anticipates that its partner in NADD would holda Congress and
embrace Agenda 2011 so that NADD would also embraceAgenda 2011.
Notwithstanding the Central Committee has resolved to holda PDOIS rally
in support of Agenda 2011 on the 31st of July 2010 atLatriKunda Yerri
Nganya, adjacent to the mosque where PDOIS held itsfirst rally in
1986. PDOIS DISAGREMENT WITH UDP AND NRPPDOIS wrote to UDP before its
Congress to indicate to them that theparty was waiting for the
resolution of the UDP Congress on inter partyunity in order to know
what form of Alliance could be forged for2011. The UDP leader, in his
address to the Congress indicated that theregistration of NADD was a
disaster. PDOIS would want its supporters inparticular and all those
interested in Gambian politics in general toknow that the registration
of NADD was Constitutional requirement.
Nocandidate could contest under
NADD without its registration as apolitical party. PDOIS advances a
challenge to any leader who disagreeswith this view. Hence those who
did not support the registration ofNADD should not have signed the
Memorandum of Understandingestablishing NADD. In short , under the
strategic objectives of the Memorandum, Parties“agreed to put together
resources within the framework of the Allianceto contest the
forthcoming Presidential, National Assembly and Councilelections” It
adds that “The selection of the candidate of theAlliance for the
Presidential, National Assembly and Council electionsshall be done by
consensus, provided that in the event of an impasseselection shall be
done by primary election restricted to partydelegates, on the basis of
equal number of delegates, comprising theChairman, Chairwoman and youth
leader of each party from each
villageor ward in a constituency”In
terms of the tenure of office, the memorandum states that “Theinterim
President of the Republic under the Alliance shall serve forone five
year term of office only. He/she shall vacate his or her seatat the end
of his or her term of office and shall neither seek norsupport the
candidature of any other person for the ensuingpresidential elections.A
constitutional provision shall be put in place under the Alliancethat
would limit the number of terms a person could occupy the officeof
president of the Republic to two.” Hence all parties which signedthe
Memorandum agreed to put up Candidates under a NADD ticket. This
isincontrovertible. Now one may ask: Could a candidate stand on a
NADDticket without NADD being registered as a Party? The answer is in
thenegative. It is obvious to any one who has read section 60 of
theConstitution that we could not put up
Candidates under NADD until
NADDwas registered as a party. It reads “ No association , other than
apolitical party registered under or pursuant of an Act of the
NationalAssembly, shall sponsor Candidates in public elections” NADD
had to beregistered. Did we have to lose National Assembly seats
because of theRegistration? The answer is in the Negative.Section 91
subsection 1 d of the Constitution states that“a member of the National
Assembly shall vacate his or her seat in theNational Assembly-if he or
she ceases to be a member of the politicalparty of which he or she was
a member at the time of his or herelection;provided that nothing in
this paragraph shall appy on a merger ofpolitical parties at the
national level where such a merger isauthorised by the Constitution of
the parties concerned.”The simple and elementary truth is that all
parties that had agreed toput up Candidates under
NADD had merged into
NADD. The IEC alsoconceived NADD as an Umbrella party, a merger. They
argued their casein that regard and even told the court that they had
drafted the rulesgoverning Alliances. The disaster is that NADD’S
Counsels did not usemerger of parties as a defence to save National
Assembly seats. Theregistration of NADD was not an error. The only
legal advice that waslegitimate was to tell parties that they were
creating a merger bysigning the memorandum of understanding. Hence
those who did not wanta merger should not have signed. The error was
to fail to get everyparty to sign to indicate in black and white that
they conceived NADDas an umbrella Party or merger or resin from NADD
before the courtcase. No room would have been left for historical
excuses that are soevident after NADD’s disintegration.Secondly, in his
address to the UDP Congress the NRP leader claimedthat he left
NADD
because other parties did not believe in hisprinciple of allowing the
party with the majority to lead. This claimis incorrect.The NRP signed
a memorandum which indicated that the selection ofCandidates would be
done through a unanimous vote of executive membersor a primary. It goes
without saying that during the first attempt toselect a candidate in
accordance with the principle of unanimity, itis Dulo Bah, the
representative of the NRP who nominated arepresentative of the PPP and
Pa Manneh , a representative of NDAM whoseconded the nomination of the
representative of the PPP. Thiscompelled UDP and PDOIS representatives
to make their own nominationsand thereby created an impasse. It was the
Coordinator who explainedthat the Executive Committee only had the
power to select a candidateif their decision is unanimous, otherwise
election would have to takeplace in the form of a primary to
enable the
people to select the flagbearer. At no time did the NRP leader
denounce Dulo Bah and state aparty position for the selection of the
flagbearer.Infact when thedelegates met to try to make a second attempt
to reach unanimity byestablishing some criteria to guide the nomination
process the NRPleader never advocated for the selection a majority
party leader as acriterion. Through out the history of NADD, the NRP
leader had neverproposed for an Amendment of the memorandum to
incorporate what hecalled his principle. Such attempts to rewrite
history only underminemutual trust between opposition leaders fans
polemics and drawsattention away from the ruling party and focus it on
the squabblesamong the opposition. PDOIS hopes that leaders would
realise that anyrefusal to accept the facts will push us to propagate
fiction whichwill not lead us to draw appropriate lessons to move
forward.ConclusionTo conclude PDOIS would want the people to recall
that Gambia has beenled by 2 Heads of state for the past 45 years. In
the next 15 yearsthose who were born in 1965 will be 60 years.It is
clear that unless webreak the current trend of self perpetuating rule
two heads of statewill lead the Gambia for 60 years.As we face another
election cycle it is the duty of every sovereignGambianwho is 18 years
old and above to reflect on the state of the Gambiaafter 45 years of
Nationhood and ask whether this is the same Gambia,with its growing
poverty, redundancies, growth of drug lords andcontraction of liberty
that should continue to be up to the year 2020and beyond. It is now
time for each Gambian to sit and reflect on thetype of Gambia one wants
to be a citizen of and the role one is to playin shaping the destiny of
one’s country and people. This is thechallenge of 2011.Are we up
to
the challenge. History the keen recorderof events has its eyes and ears
open. The future will tell the story.Our children and children’s
children will be the judge.The EndIssued by The Central Committee of
PDOISDelivered by Halifa Sallah – Spokesperson of
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