What a pain in the neck. Caesar, I haven't seen any one try to defend an indefensible dream since Conjecture Ceesay. What???? Men I gotta go right now but I will come back either later this morning or tomorrow monday to share with you the spectacular errors and omissions that almost drove you to kill somebady. What????
 
Suffice it to share with you right now that the AMOUNT of stimulus request is not whimsical. Who told you you can ask to BORROW 1.2 or 1.4 trillion dollars from China and Eureka you got it????? That's what I say about you professional lefties. You get up and go to work everyday cos you got a job to go to. Have you ever seen an unemployed professional lefty Caesar????? Its not a pretty sight and he does not come online like you. He dives off a bridge. What is wrong with this man???? Have a nice weekend men. See you later big guy.

Haruna.

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Haruna,

Let me take a stab at some of the points you made. I didn't say Obama strong armed congress into passing the stimulus package. In fact the man has not strong armed this congress into passing anything. The opposition seems to get their way with mere threats of a filibuster. The stimulus passed both houses of congress by the way. The president at that time has more political capital to spend and instead of going for a bigger stimulus package, he went for what is expedient. According to David Obey, treasury initially asked for 1.4 trillion dollars. Even Kent Conrad ( one of those democrats with a bipartisan fetish) went for $1.2 trillion. Instead what we end up with is a tad bit below $800 billion.

I think the size (of the stimulus) was a mistake compounded by the political calculus of the administration that they would be other chances for stimulus spending. Their thinking was ( and this is totally my own conjecture): If $800 billion end up stimulating the economy...fine. But if unemployment continues to rise and the 800 billion stimulus didn't do the trick, there will be votes for further stimulus spending. They mis-calculated the political climate and what lefties were warning them at the time; that stimulus spending is a one trick pony. If your initial intervention ( the arguement on the left goes) was too small and deemed a failure, it will empower the people attempting to do less for the economy. So rather than modestly sized stimulus leaving open the door for more stimulus if need be, its modest size and lack of stimuli as far as employment is concerned will be use to discredit the idea of stimulus. 

The cry baby "professional left" gets up every day and go to work, so they are not the problem here. What the "professional left" decry is the democrats penchant for Kumbaya rather than pushing hard and passing progressive policies. If you have a disdain for that, and want us to join in a chorus of hail to the chief, well I am sorry sireee, this "professional leftie" beg to differ.




 
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From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 3:28:20 PM
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Hold on hold on hold on. Caesar you said a mouthful. Bear with me a little:
 
Ok so let's say I agree with you that Obama strong-armed congress into passing a HALF-ASSED stimulus package. You will agree with me on the following:
 
1. Whether the stimulus package was half-assed or full-assed, it had to pass in both houses of congress right?
2. If the full-assed package could not be passed through congress, are you saying a half-assed package should not have been passed?
3. With the half-assed stimulus package, private-sector job creation has been positive since the bill's passing. Instead of a steady loss of private-sector jobs prior, America has been creating private-sector jobs. The stimulus was meant to stimulate the economy for that purpose. The engine of the American economy is private enterprise not government enterprise.
 
Caesar, President Obama was lucky to have the few Republicans who helped pass the half-assed stimulus package. Without it we would have continued the trend of Job-losses designed by the Republican Corporate interest who wanted to inure Obama's failure. If Obama insisted on the full-assed stimulus package but it didn't get passed what would the professional left have gained by that? And what is the full-assed stimulus package you guys keep dreaming about anyway??????????
The Economic Stimulus package is a request for a certain amount of public funds targeted in such a way that the private sector and government infrastructure expenditure will spur JOB GROWTH.
 
The stimulus package, half-assed or full-assed, has done its job. The Republican Corporate interest to inure Obama failure is still alive and fierce. The stimulus package was neither intended nor is able to address that. That is diablo's work. It can be turned on its head if the crybaby professional left got up, tied its bootstraps, and gets to work for America. I'm sick and tired of this tantrum-throwing, milk-vomiting, temperamentally itchy, clowning around Caesar. I'm dead serious. Who do you think Obama has helping him design policy???????????? Is it not the friggin professional left?????????????? Lemme know lemme know.
 
Haruna.
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Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 5:03 pm
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Haruna wrote:

"You know some folk have been looking for work for over a year in vain???? If I were the professional left, I'd participate in the re-start of the American Economic Engine."

This is what "the professional left" was warning the president against, when he proposed a half ass stimulus package in a futile attempt to woo the wingnuts. He did not listen to the dirty lefties, after all they have nowhere to go. Well the stimulus was passed with grandiose statements that it will bring unemployment down to 8% by the summer. It didn't happen. The opposite trend continues to plague large portions of the population. Bold progressive leadership would have done Obama a lot of good. You and I have debated this issue on numerous occasions and the president hasn't done nothing since to change my perception that a lot of opportunities were squander in his quest for camaraderie with political opponents who made no secret of the fact that they want to see him fail. 

I am not raining on your parade, for I take no pleasure from taking issues with the president's leadership, been an "Obamabot" from the get go. But it is hard to defend him from a progressive point of view.
 
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From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:36:25 AM
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Caesar,
 
I agree with you. 20 years of Rubinite or whatever -ite economic policies does have its consequences. Generally, the consequences of economic policy have a life span of 1/2 its regime from when you decide to change economic policy. We changed course when President Obama was inaugurated. We are 2 years into the new policies. We have 8 years to go for the new policies to see their full force. We are now at the first Crossroad of the new DYNAMIC economic policy.
 
So we can change policy managers at this crossroad fully aware of the attributes of all managers, we can sit on our hands and wait until we decide to resume the new policies (A dead Society for as long as we wait), or we can buckle-up and steer full steam ahead with Obama at the rudder.

Regarding the comment about the professional left, I wouldn't take that too personally. I've heard worse. It is just that, a comment. Whoever views him or herself as the professional left must now review whether to take umbrage at that comment and go into a self-induced comma, or to work toward a different more genteel comment.

Haruna. I love you Caesar but you appear to always want to get mad at something. BTW, I want to here thank you for your recent work on my behalf. I'm still waiting for a finale on the matter. Just lighten up men. You know some folk have been looking for work for over a year in vain???? If I were the professional left, I'd participate in the re-start of the American Economic Engine. So we can have a professionalite economic policy. Whaddoyou say Caesar???? And quit raining on my friggin parades will you??? You'd think we don't love each other. Jees!!!

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Twenty months of following Rubinite's advice on the economy has consequences you know. "the professional left" ... A pejorative used by this white house to paint it's ardent base may just sit this midterm out. 

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On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

your fellows on the same path. Haruna. Allez-y!!!
 
Your Weekly Address: Crossroads on the Economy
The President lays out the choice between his plan to keep our economy moving forward, and the agenda put out by Republicans in Congress taking us backward to the special interest economy that created this mess. Watch the video.
 West Wing Week

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