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“One who has toiled much
more than you in the story that is La-Guinea.” Haruna
Haruna,Congratulations to you for
toiling much more than me in La
Guinea’s
story. Who dares compare you to me in this respect? Only an unaware
person would attempt such a thing. I guess nobody who really knows yours
truly would try making such a comparison. On the other hand, if you had perceive me insinuating
such PLEASE excuse my choice of words. That was far removed from my intention. On
the contrary, I had learnt a lot about the RPG’s perspectives on Guinea from
your contributions than from any other source. It is highly appreciated.] Bailo.
Bailo, I acknowledge your error in choice of words and I forgive you. To close that chapter in our conversations, I have ammended the subject title to demonstrate ventilated understandings. Thank you for bringing us back to sobriety.
[“You will also remmember
that demonstration was not a Peulh demonstration.” Haruna
By God, did I ever
categorically state or even insinuate that it was a Peul demonstration? I never did.
It is you who qualified ‘demonstration’ with ‘Peul’ as above and insinuatingly seeking
to ascribe it to me. I totally reject your attempt.] Bailo.
Bailo, you did not state that the sept. 28th demonstration was a Peulh demonstration. I stated that the sept. 28th demonstration WAS NOT A PEULH DEMONSTRATION. And the reason I shared that with you was that in trying to qualify my callous regard of the victims of this unfortunate event, you asserted that MOST OF THE VICTIMS WERE PEULH. I shared with you that the demographics of the victims does not support your understanding of the victims and to give you more background that may refute that understanding, if it were conveyed to you by the "press" (because you were not on the ground in La-Guinea), I shared with you the genesis of the demonstration proper. You will agree with me therefore that I did not insinuatingly seek to ascribe that false statement to you. I was amplifying our understandings so that should we infer the demonstration as being PEULH, we may reconsider before it were too late. There is no attempt at aversion that you can reject on that score. I will take this as mere tantrum for now unless you inform me of my attempt at insinuation ascribing that conclusion to Bailo. Moving on.
[“Dalein is only attractive
to those who voted for him because of their common ethnicities and because of
future remunerations if Dalein were elected. That is the hard truth.” Haruna. This is true Haruna.] Bailo.
Bailo, I am pleased you acknowledge the factual nature of this assertion of mine. It therefore refutes your version that "the reason why Dallen and Seedia are an attractive union to many La
Guineans is but for their defiance of Dadis and his thugs, the military
junta would not have stood aside to organise free and fair elections
within the fulfiilled time frame". I highlighted the error.
[It is
factual but not the whole story.] Bailo.
Thank you Bailo. I will appreciate my further education in completing the story.
[Selective honesty is doing injustice to
others.] Bailo.
I was correcting your error. I am sorry you view that as being selectively honest of me. I generally attempt to complement understandings. I trust you will now complete the story so that I can apologise for the paucity of my honesty.
[Therefore to do justice, let us together complete the story. Dallen was
as attractive to the majority of the Peuls of La Guinea as Prof Conde
was attractive to the majority of his ethnicity,] Bailo.
Wait a minute Bailo. I thought you were going to complete the story of "Dalein and Sidya's union was attractive to many La-Guineans because of their defiance of Dadis and his thugs and that because of that defiance, Dadis and his thugs withdrew their anticipated contest of the presidential elections in La-Guinea?????. Here, you begin another story of why the majority of Hon. Conde's voters voted for him. I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. Just because you carry Dalein's name forward in this story does not conjugal make. I hope you have not abandoned the effort to complete the original story to indicate my economy of honesty. Meanwhile I will join you in this other story.
[ Dallen was
as attractive to the majority of the Peuls of La Guinea as Prof Conde
was attractive to the majority of his ethnicity, the Maninkas. If therefore the
majority of the Peuls were supporting Dallen because of their common ethnicities
with him as you alluded to, Is the same not true of the Maninkas’ support of
their tribesman, Conde?] Bailo.
YES Bailo. On the part of Hon. Conde', the majority of his ethnicity voted for him because of ethnic affinity. So his union with Fall, Kouyate, Kourouma, Bah, Fofana, Samassekou, and Camara was not attractive to the majority of voters of the Rainbow Alliance because of his defiance of Dadis and his thugs which contributed to the accruing of the transition governance of La-Guinea. I am with you on this leg. SO we both agree that in La-Guinea, as in most other nations of the world, the ethnic vote is a valuable source of support for any candidate. Because Dalein, Sidya, Alpha, Fall, Bah, Bah, Tall, Doucoure, Kouyate, Fofana, Kourouma, Camara, Diallo, Dore, Barry, Dabo, Diakite, Cissokho, and Konate all defied Dadis and his thugs' determination to contest the election, That could verily NOT be a calculus in distinguishing between Dalein and Alpha's unions.
[Just as the overwhelming number of Peuls voted for
Dallen so did the overwhelming number of Maninkas’ cast their vote for Conde. Hence, what is your beef with the peuls?] Bailo.
I agree with you on the ethnic vote. La-Guineans also agree with you on the value of the ethnic vote. I have no beef with the Peulhs. Never have, never will. That is impossible for me. I was setting your record and analysis straight.
[If
you therefore insinuate that the Peuls are ethnocentric, what about the
Maninkas’?] Bailo.
I never insinuated that the PEULHs are ethnocentric. I have always asserted that ethnicities, fraternities, sororities, and unions, be they Peulh, Maninka, Minianka, Soninke, Wollof, Aku, Jola, Jewish, Arab, Lapplander, Muslim, Christian, HarunaMo, Timne, Mende, Hawsa, Journalists unions, Engineers' unions, political parties, Mafia brotherhoods, etcetera, will gravitate toward their own kind. That is a natural tendency of the human. And I have always asserted, maybe you weren't paying attention, that this gravitation, whether it manifests itself in votes, appointments, or assistance, is not a bad thing. I shared with you that the work of democracy therefore is to harness these selective social affinities so they can be complementary to the common good. It is not valuable to undo nature. That nature is a critical part of humanity. Bailo, there is a science and art to democracy. It does not condone or encourage ethnic cleansing or subtraction or division. Because those are not sustainable sciences for the health of the human. I trust you and I will contemplate this Art and science of democracy further.
[If you assume that the Maninkas’ made a more rational choice than the Peuls then I
hereby accuse you of DOUBLE STANDARDS and sheer INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.] Bailo.
You wouldn't have to accuse Haruna of DOUBLE STANDARDS and sheer INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY therefore Bailo. Because I neither assumed nor asserted the foregoing imagination of yours. We are both happy again. That is good for us.
[Haruna, You may be more
politically aware] Bailo.
I disagree with you on this. There is no such thing as a person being more politically aware than the other. Politics is unique as to a person. It doesn't lend itself readily to comparative analyses.
[and experienced than me] Bailo.
I disagree again with you on this. You and I have varied experiences. The quantity of our experiences cannot be empiricised because our experiences are innumerable. Very subjective I might add.
[but don’t try to insult my
intelligence with your self-distorted reasoning and raw logic epitomised with feeble attempts to find the Peuls of La guilty of tribalist politics while falsely absoving all the other tribes from this blame.] Bailo.
For what its worth Bailo, All tribes and ethnicities purvey tribal politics. They cannot help but to. It is inherently human to purvey tribal and affiliational politics. So I am not exempting any tribe from that. In fact I encourage that to the extent it offers solace and guarantees freedom of expression and association for industry, religion, and politics. I suppose now that you and I acknowledge that the sacrosanct right of any human to purvey ethnic politics, we will begin to assess how Hon. Conde' was able to be chosen as future leader of La-Guinea and NOT DALEIN. All things considered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[You know the
reality of politics in Africa. Ethnicity is a
major determining factor in our politics. Unfortunately, that’s a reality.] Bailo.
It is not only a reality, it is a human right. Of all peoples. Not just for Africans.
[In Kenya, this
nearly tore the country apart in 2008; In Rwanda, it led to a genocide in 1994.] Bailo.
Tribal politics was not the cause of Kenya's recenter history Bailo. gratuitous CRIME was.
[Almost all
of the La Guinean Peuls
I had discussed with about the elections in La Guinea since before the 1st
round of voting were of the view that it was now the turn of a Peul candidate
to become the next president.] Bailo.
Why did you not ask them why that is so in a multi-ethnic society?????????????????????????????
[Their reasoning is that a Maninka had ruled over Guinea from
1958 to 1984] Bailo and his Peul coleagues.
A hard-working son of La-Guinea, Hon. Ahmed Sekou Toure, who happened to be Maninka ruled Led La-Guinea to independence and her first governance. Sekou Toure had Maninkas, Peuls, Soussous, Soninkes, and Guerzes in his government.
[and a Susu had also presided from 1984 to 2008] Bailo and his Peul coleagues.
A member of La-Guinea's military forces, Hon. Lansana Conte', who happened to be Soussou, seized power in a coup d'etat and with aid and comfort from his comrades in arms, attempted to govern La-Guinea. As long as it was the military, it could have been a Peulh, Soussou, Maninka, Guerze, or Soninke who led the coup makers. You would agree wouldn't you? WHy do you suppose they settled on Hon. Lansana Conte Bailo? I want to share with you that when you entertain gaucherie from other, and you don't have your sobriety and wits about you, they're likely to blow you away in the wind with them. To land n'importe-ou.
[and henceforth
it should be the turn of a Peul to become President.] Bailo and his Peul coleagues.
Ain't no henceforth you should have told them. But you probably didn't. You know why you didn't set them straight? It was because that human instinct of ethnic gravitation was tugging at your conscience and you were frail to it. It were not your fault.
You will agree with me that in a nation of majority Peulh, Sekou Toure, a Maninka, among many other Maninkas, Soussous, Soninkes, Guerzes, had the presence of mind and the intellectual honesty to say NO to DeGaule and therefore free ALL LA-GUINEA from the suicidal shackles of slavery and colonization. I want you to ponder on that for a minute. And the government that came after Hon. Sekou Toure was not voted in by the majority of La-Guineans. So either you believe in a military dictatorship or democratic government for La-Guinea. If you believe in the latter, You Bailo will never again entertain the cacamayme that tribes and ethnicities take turns in governing a multi-ethnic nation. ANYWHERE in the world. Why do you think Obama became President of the United states??????????????????????????????????????????????? And that was acceptable???
[However if the true choice of
most La Guineans
turns out to be contrary to the choice of most Peuls of La Guinea, the choice of most La Guineans shall surely prevail.] Bailo.
I am proud of you Bailo for this come-uppance. I hope you shared this with your Peul coleagues then. I want you to know I had these very same conversations with my Peul friends and coleagues. It was just a fanciful conversation because they understood they were speaking to Haruna. Lietenant Colonel of Democracy's Army.
[Hence I have advised a close friend of Dallen who is a relative of mine to
advise Dallen to gracefully concede defeat just as Al Gore did when George W. Bush
was adjudged to be the victor by the most competent US Court.] Bailo.
Bailo, I cannot believe you. This was patently bad and odious advice. Why would you advise Dalein to concede DEFEAT in one breath and share with us here on Ellen that "Dalein will only concede defeat when the La-Guinea Supreme COurt determines him defeated??????????????????????????????????????? Secondly, why should Dalein concede defeat because Al Gore conceded defeat to W in the United States????????????????????????????????????? I am shocked at your this logic Bailo. The courts are there to ventilate claims of fraud, coercion, and crime in as much as those materially affect the outcome of an election. No more no less. If you retire the will of the people to a decision by any of their courts, you have enabled a coup d'etat. Do you know why??????????????????????????????? The expression of the will of any court is inferior to that of the constitutive citizens of the nation so far as elections are concerned. In some nations, the members of court are not themselves elected. That contributes to their inferiority. It will be interesting to note that Dalein will not be any more legitimate a president of La-Guinea than his accessory Lansana were the La-Guinea courts to determine him President without positive evidence that most La-Guineans chose Dalein to be President.
[I am sure am not alone in
urging for this.] Bailo.
I have news for you. You are alone in that. La-Guineans are not Americans. Dalein is not AL Gore. Alpha is not W. Go figure. Again. This is not healthy Bailo. I hope Dalein does not take your very flawed advise and reasoning.
[I am encouraged that primarily
as a result of inter-ethnic marriages, the peoples of La Guinea
would continue to co-habit in peace and love for the development of the land of
my ancestors, La Guinea.] Bailo.
La-Guinea is not your ancestors Bailo. La-Guinea is your ancestral home. As it is mine and perhaps a good number of our coleagues here on Ellen. We must avoid this self-massaging. It is the source of our disquiets variously.
[Finally while you toiling about
La Guinea’s story
more than myself, please also continue toiling on the story that is The Gambia. I would try my bit.] Bailo.
I have always been toiling on the story that is Gambia and I will continue to do that. In this critical moment of La-Guinea, she requires our support and accompaniment more than Gambia does. When a matter in Gambia comes before me that requires me to be distracted from the La-Guinea story and moment, our coleagues will share my good participation in that with you. I acknowledge your commitment to Gambia and your ancestral home, La-Guinea. In equal measure.
[Bailo]
You are a lovely man Bailo. Really. I love this conversation because we were able to educate each other and perhaps one other coleague in our audience. You must not discount that value. And the credit goes to both of us. Should you wish to continue this conversation, for it not complete, please reflect on this:
In a nation, La-Guinea, where people have a tendency to vote along ethnic lines, and where the peul form a majority single ethnicity, How did Alpha Conde' get elected President??????????????????????????????????????????? I will not pre-empt the discussion. I will grant you the first go. At Faddal yaa wuld Ammi. I inform you that Compaore won re-election in Burkina. Please join me in congratulating Hon. Compaore on his re-election. Even though I think he should now transfer leadership to another Burkinabe, perhaps from his own party. That will be more honorable. If he does not, I, Haruna, will still accompany Compaore in his efforts to harness the values of Burkina Faso for her peoples.
Haruna. I love you Bailo.
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 19:31
I'm not assuming anything. You're telling us what's going on with you. You notice I don't add foreign literature to our conversation.
[-----Original Message----- From: bailo jallow < [log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L < [log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 25, 2010 1:12 pm Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
Haruna, Would you please stop assuming about my political leanings with regards to La Guinea?] Bailo.
What did I assume about your political leanings with regards to La-Guinea? Afterall they're just you leaning as usual. I'm here to friggin push you to the right side.
[The reason why the Real Prof Conde is an attractive choice for many people is because of his consistent opposition to the dictatorships of La Guinea from Manjuh to Dadis. Consequently he endured exile and jail for his belief and quest for the ultimate destiny of his compatriots with real democracy.] Bailo.
This is incomplete Bailo. Its good, but incomplete.
The rest of the story is that while Hon. Conde' challenged graft and graffignette on these occasions, Cellou Dalein and Sidya were both working with one of the Manjou-Dadis series to undermine his efforts. This is why Hon Conde' is a far superior human than either Cellou Dalein or Sidya for the proud people of La-Guinea. This is the reason why SIdya was not able to convince his supporters to vote for Dalein when the latter is set against the honourable Conde'.
[I hope that he does not disappoint them and Africans in general.] Bailo.
Africans in general can wait at Tann. We are presently concerned with La-Guineans. It will be an insurmountable burden to charge Hon. Conde' with the happiness of Africans in general. Because you are among the Africans. Just kidding Bailo. You and I will accompany Hon. Conde' and afford him our wise counsel. Trust me, we'll be alright. We know how to solve our own problems. If clueless division and ethnic crimes don't get in the way.
[On the other hand, the reason why Dallen and Seedia are an attractive union to many La Guineans is but for their defiance of Dadis and his thugs, the military junta would not have stood aside to organise free and fair elections within the fulfiilled time frame.] Bailo.
Bailo, I'm glad you said this. I knew you were thinking it all the while. Let me share some ideas with you.
1. Dalein and Sydia were NOT an attractive union to the most La-Guineans. The elections proved that to you and me. In the tussle between MANY and MOST, we go with MOST in as much as comparative spirits are concerned.
2. You will be comforted to realize that I encouraged and urged the sept. 28th demonstration. You may not have been aware but when I was informed that Dadis was contemplating a run for the presidency, and that he was supported by a group called "Dadis must stay", but that when a few voices were raised that Dadis ought not contest an election he was shepherding, this group would attack the counter-argument. I was outraged as were many La-Guineans. I shared my views on The GDP website that even though the "Dadis must stay" group had every right to demonstrate their desire for Dadis to contest those elections, even though I did not agree with their position, I suggested that instead of attack this group, the countervailing opinion that Dadis must not contest ought to come out in their overwhelming number to demonstrate such, as long as it was done peacefully.
If you were following events in La-Guinea at the time, you will have recognized that the rhetoric and violence on the part of the "Dadis Must Stay" group had mellowed. I was informed that Dadis had taken heart to the suggestion that the group is legitimate and must allowed to freely demonstrate. WHat he did not take into account was that the countervailing forces vives would also consider the suggestion for them to come out in their good numbers to peaceably demonstrate. (I want to assure you that the engineering behind the Dadis group did not escape me at the time. I just regarded that as inferior in the face of the countervailing Forces vives and that it was not wise to disband the group at that time. This is because if that group were to disband for whatever reason, the Forces vives demonstration on sept. 28th would not have occured. I know you don't believe me. Just bear with me a little)
You will also remmember that demonstration was not a Peulh demonstration. It was a Forces vives demonstration. And it included Jean Marie Dore', one of the leaders of the forces vives who precipitated the reversal of fortunes for Dadis. Therefore when you insinuated that I didn't care about the lives lost on that fateful day, you incensed me Bailo. This was because it was the Peulh victims whose plight was most broadcast. If you actually looked at the detail of those who died (~150) you will find out that the Peulh were not the majority. I want you to do this research on your own and please disregard the charlatans. We're talking about the actual dead, injured, and sexually molested. More happened outside camera-view than the lady you saw naked on the ground and the guy you saw being carted away by the police. There were 150 more severe victims for DaarManso's sakes. I know you Africans love TV. But do the homework. You will also understand that Jean
Marie Dore, Sidya Toure, and Cellou Dalein sustained comparatively minor injuries. It was not a UFDG demonstration organised by Cellou Dalein and Sidya. It was a forces vives demonstration organised by the forces vives and Dalein, DOre, and Toure all suffered injuries and embarassment. If you agree with me on this narration Bailo, you cannot therefore say that the Dalein/Toure union after the 1st symphony was attractive to many La-Guineans because of the 28th sept. events and their participation in it because you would have had to somehow qualify the apparent animus Dalein had for Dore when the 1st symphony came around, and you would have had to qualify the grace Dore' commands among those "many La-Guineans". And if you don't agree with me on my narration of events, you would have to go back to the days prior and immediately after the event of sept 28th, 2009 to satisfy yourself one way or the other.
This will then bring you to the ultimate question;
If you take Dore' out of the equation to accrue more gravitas to Dalein, then in a contest between Dalein and Conde', Dalein must therefore be more attractive to your "many La-Guineans", right? WRONG.
This is because even before the "Dadis Must stay" group began their demonstrations in the streets, The most honourable Conde had parted ways with Dadis and his CNDD. WHen Conde perceived ambiguity on the part of Dadis as to whether he would contest the elections or not, Conde' categorically expressed that to contest those elections was not a choice for Dadis and that it will be unacceptable. The Hon. Conde also set about seeking mediation from the international community to put pressure on Dadis to announce publicly that he would categorically not run. This put Conde in Dadis' black list and inured threats from the "Dadis must stay" militia. Conde had to leave La-Guinea on several occasions because of the looming threats on his life. Once again. And Conde's RPG was a part of the Forces vives just as UFDG, PEDN, etcetera were all part of the forces vives. In fact the opposition parties and civil society groups formed the forces vives. They had some
disagreements among themselves as to who will lead the forces vives, but as far as the demonstrations were concerned, that was a common decision and design. I can assure you that if Conde was at that stadium on that fateful day, he would have been "accidentally" killed, not just bruised like the others. That was a determinant moment for Dadis. You will recall that when Dadis got wind of the demonstration being organised, who did he call to warn? He did not call Conde. He did not call Dore, for all we knew, he did not call Dalein either. He called Sidya Toure. Why do you suppose that is? Sidya could not control what the forces vives was going to do after it was set in motion. If Dadis had called Sidya before the decision was made to demonstrate, I can guarantee you that Sidya would have tried to stop or impede the demonstration. Sidya is that kind of man. I want you to also review the relationship between Dalein and Sidya prior to the latter's 3rd place
showing in the 1st symphony.
Bailo, La-Guineans know all these things because they lived it. Diasporan La-Guineans also know this but their votes were strictly along ethnic lines. Thank God their votes were not consequential. Do not try to accord Dalein and Sidya's union undue accolade at the expense of their partners. Dalein is only attractive to those who voted for him because of their common ethnicities and because of future remunerations if Dalein were elected. That is the hard truth. The majority of La-Guineans just happened to be more than the number of Peulhs in La-Guinea. I encourage the Peulh to consider forming other majority NOT BASED STRICTLY ON ETHNIC NUMEROLOGY. That will be good for all La-Guinea.
3. Dalein and Sidya's union includes others such as Sylla, Bah, Diallo, and others. Conde', Fall, Kouyate, Kourouma, and Fofana's union also included Bah, Tall, Bangoura, Camara, Samassekou and others. Therefore you cannot rely on Dalein and Sidya's participation in the 28th september events to explain the votes of those who voted for Dalein. I know you want to Bailo, but I encourage you to reflect a bit further. The remainder of their two unions were also part of the forces vives excepting one or two parties which were formed too late to have a history in the forces vives. But they and their militants participated in that demonstration of 28th sept. nonetheless. So let's try another reason why any La-Guinean voted for Dalein when the other contender is Conde'.
[Dadis was becoming just like his predecesor.] Bailo.
Tell me about it. I wished you were so vociferous on this at the critical time. When it mattered Bailo. This is another reason why I was terribly disappointed at the odious aspersion you tried to cast on me. One who has toiled much more than you in the story that is La-Guinea.
[However the jury is still out on the real commitment of Conde and Diallo to the tenets
of democracy.] Bailo.
Thank you. And when either of them ascends to the presidency, we will not abandon them to the jury. We will accompany them in sobriety so that perhaps we can save another La-Guinean life. Any government will be judged every 5 years in La-Guinea. We just want to make sure they will be judged for more benign activity. Thank you Bailo for affording me this rare privilege to share some recent history with you. I normally like to make my activities impactful from the git go so I do not have to retell friggin history. If I were any louder Bailo, I would have keyed maasef. Next time pay attention to what I'm doing. I think you get too ethnically sensitive sometimes without thinking further about the ramifications.
Bye. Gaddamit.
Haruna.
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 16:07
I knew you were a beautiful man when you wanna be Bailo. You're too sensitive for my nerves though. I gotta work on that for the next year. Along with bringing you into the mainstream of the Rainbow Alliance. Something tells me the latter is going to be very tough. I will let you judge by our actions throughout Hon. Conde's first term as La-Guinea President. Hopefully you will join
La-Guineans to Siggil Conde' for a second term or replace him should he disappoint us. I will make sure he doesn't disappoint us. Word!!!! La-Guinea's future is riding on it. And you know I always keep my word!
I love you men.
Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: bailo jallow < [log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L < [log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 25, 2010 7:23 am
Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
Haruna,
Thanks for clearing my anxieties with your clarification. I am now  .
Bailo
--- On Wed, 24/11/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 23:55
Bailo, I have read and understood your concerns. For consolation, I urge you to look at my notes again. I will represent the charge here for you:
"ANY ONE WHO KNOWINGLY WORKS FOR A CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION IS HIM/HERSELF A CRIMINAL."
This does not include all public servants. Civil servants are generally understood to have been hired through a merit-based process. Any civil servant who was hired outside of that process, or who was fired/terminated for theft of the public treasury or abuse of authority is included in the charge.
You will therefore be comforted that not all civil servants or public servants are criminals.
I hope this clarification alleviates some anxieties for you.
Thank you for affording me the opportunity at further clarification Bailo.
I love you.
Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: bailo jallow < [log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L < [log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 11:55 am
Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
Haruna,
Thanks very much for your kind and encouraging comments although I feel flattered by some of your remarks about me.
I would however still urge you to reconsider your principled stance that "ANY ONE WHO KNOWINGLY WORKS FOR A CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION IS HIM/HERSELF A CRIMINAL."
This is because I believe you may acknowedge the fact that not every person employed in the Civil Service and Parastatal organisations of the Gambia aids and/or abets in what Abdoukarim Sanneh aptly describes as the regime's criminalisation of the Gambian State. On the contrary, it is only a minority of employees of the Gambia Public Service that usually engaged in such reprehensible acts
against our collective interest.
Please reconsider as the majority of our Public Servants are honest and dedicated and they deliver invaluable services to their compatriots under very difficult working conditions. None should make the mistake of painting everyone with the same brush. Please reconsider. I expect that as someone who has proven to be capable of illuminating wisdom, you would again feel obliged to do so on this issue.
Bailo
--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 6:27
Bailo, this is a well-written and thought-out argument. I commend you for it. It demonstrates a remarkable maturity and discernment capacity on your part.
However, And this is not in amicus to the idiot Omar Jallow, the only thing I would add is that it is never OK or advisable to work FOR an administration that extra-judicially kills, maims, tortures, or abducts citizens of the nation. You can call it good civil servants, patriotic citizens, or otherwise but if you accept employment from an administration knowing full well it had and continues to commit un-investigated crimes, you are yourself a criminal. It doesn't matter whether your intentions are good or not. And we must not massage ourselves into thinking we're working for the nation as a whole in those circumstances. The least such a person could do is to explain their purpose for aiding and abetting crime and criminality and if the citizens don't buy his/her explanation, to apologize in order to prevent other self-less/fish fellow citizens from falling in that trap of circular logic. Generally, forgiveness from your fellow citizens and the victims
of such an administration served by you will be based on the following:
1. When and how did you enrol in the Administration?
2. What was your assignment and accomplishment in your new-found role?
3. What did you do or say when the Administration committed any of the crimes of Arson, Kidnap, Abduction, murder, or other extra-judiciary crime?
4. Did you participate in or were you accused by the same criminal Administration of participating in crime, financial or otherwise.
5. When and how did you leave the employ of the Administration?
ANY ONE WHO KNOWINGLY WORKS FOR A CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION IS HIM/HERSELF A CRIMINAL. No ifs, No ands, No buts about it. There is always room for forgiveness however, depending on your crime. That forgiveness must be sought and earned.
There are some people who claim they are joining a criminal administration for the good of the country. Don't listen to them. As soon as they are given custody of the nation's treasury, or some modicum of authority, they loot and abuse them. And when they fall out of grace with the CRIMINAL administration, they want their fellow citizens to do cartwheels in their putrid defense.
The rest of your notes are obvious second-nature resistance slogans. Its the economy stupid, its dignity and freedom stupid, its my left eye stupid.
You're a great man Bailo. Frankly I'm glad you put up some resistance with the idiot Omar. And how do we know you're not Omar Jallow Bailo????? hangh, Hangh?
I luh you men.
Haruna.
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From: bailo jallow < [log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L < [log in to unmask]>
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 5:40 pm
Subject: It's about freedom and dignity, Stupid!
The following article by me is culled from the online Freedom newspaper:
Gambia: It's about freedom and
dignity, Stupid!
It's about freedom and dignity,  Stupid!
By Bubacarr Bailo Jallow
In 1992, Bill Clinton adopted the slogan "It's the
economy, Stupid!" to drive home his key message about President George
H. Bush's shortfall in effectively tackling the weakness of the United
States economy. Concerning the Gambia: "It's about freedom and
dignity, Stupid!" is highly appropriate to depict the major
human rights deficit being suffered by Gambians and to convey local as
well as international concerns about the frequent abuse of human
dignities by the Gambian regime.
As in the use of the word 'stupid' in its
above-quoted original context, its adoption here should not also be
misconstrued as referring to anyone as a dotard. Although, I do not
perceive any person to be inherently stupid. I believe that what a
former primary school teacher of mine used to stress to us in his class
applies here: "Some of you are just lazy to think, please think!
think! think harder, harder! The answer is simple! Answer to what
question, one may ask: I have always contemplated answering the
following pertinent question which is usually posed by supporters of the
Gambian regime: Why does some Gambians seem to take great
delight in continuously, fiercely criticizing the AFPRC regime of
President Yahya AJJ Jammeh? I particularly felt the imperative
need to attempt answering the above question when an ardent supporter of
the AFPRC regime described criticism mainly directed by Diaspora
Gambians against the regime of Yahya Jammeh as "propagation
of vicious attack against the APRC administration and its supporters." However
I opted to first double check my initial understanding of the words 'vicious'
and 'attack' from a number of trusted English language
dictionaries. When I did so, I had to go further and relate this
allegation to what Gambians have been experiencing since the July 22nd
military seizure of power.
The indubitable truth is that it is always supporters
of the regime employed in the nation's security forces or members of the
APRC regime's militia initially known as the 22nd July
Movement and subsequently renamed the Green Boys who
had viciously and physically attacked opposition supporters merely for
the latter's exercise of their constitutional rights. The reverse is not
true. What was alleged as "vicious attack" against the Gambian regime
and supporters could probably otherwise have been an erroneous reference
or description by this particular APRC supporter of justifiable
condemnation and rejection of the policies and actions of a repressive
and intolerant regime. Moreover, such concerns expressed or demonstrated
by Gambian and non-Gambian personalities and organizations alike over
the Gambian regime's blatant and persistent human rights violations have
always fallen within acceptable norms and standards under both Gambian
and International law.
The physical and psychological tortures, unlawful
killings, disappearances, arson attacks and general lawlessness usually
encountered by critics or perceived enemies of the regime from the
members of the security forces or Government militia should neither be
deemed an insignificant matter nor muted over by any conscientious
person. On the contrary, every concerned Gambian and genuine foreign
friend of the Gambia is always saddened by human rights violations
perpetrated in the Gambia.
APRC supporter Omar Jallow recently wrote: "I
am waiting for the day that we as Gambians will agree to disagree, and I
hope that I will not get another rejoinder from some Mr. “Know It All”
who will assume that since I have never lost a beloved one under the
watch of the current administration is the reason I am supporting the
APRC government, which is kind of childish way of thinking." I
am yet to hear or read anywhere a so-called Mr. Know It All
claim or even imply that people who oppose the Gambian regime do
so mainly because they either have their friend or relative killed or
made to disappear by the APRC regime. It is not also the case as the
APRC supporter seemed to have implied above that there is no supporter
of the APRC regime whose relatives have been tortured, unlawfully killed
or made to disappear by the regime. On the contrary, there are some
supporters of the regime who had unjustly terribly suffered at the hands
of the regime. One such person is Lamin Waa Juwara who arguably could
claim to have been the most persecuted Gambian by the current regime,
yet he is now a supporter of the regime.
On the other hand, there are a number of prominent
former supporters of the APRC regime who had themselves subsequently
fallen victim or even had their lives unjustly ended by the very regime
that they promoted and defended. For example, Daba Marenah was never
opposed to Jammeh. What is however undeniable is that you would hardly
meet a politically conscious Gambia who would frankly not be able to
name at least one person who has either been tortured or killed or made
to disappear by the APRC regime of Yahya Jammeh. Is it any coincidence
that such a worrisome reality did not exist under the tenure of the PPP
regime? Why should some Gambians insinuate that others also ought to
emulate them in conveniently ignoring the unprecedented human rights
violations in the Gambia? Unfortunately there would always be
contemporary Gambians who wish that atrocities or inhumane treatment by
the regime against others should be not be regarded as any serious
matter over which the regime is exposed in the media, criticized or
rebuked by Gambians and non-Gambians alike. I say to those Gambians, you
would never have your wish fulfilled. You may prefer silence and
indifference in respect of such crimes but there will always be people,
Gambians in particular, who will speak out against injustice and
criminality in the Gambia. All Gambians cannot not be deterred by any
person or authority or circumstance from speaking out .
"The diaspora opposition is so out
of touch that they will attack even the civil servants and ministers
just for doing their civil duties. If our opposition leaders or their
supporters refused to work, but will ridicule anyone that accept a job
from the APRC government, then can you guys please tell me what do you
guys want from the 1.4 million or so to do for themselves, if they don't
work while we are here in the west including myself to do with their
lives?" (Omar Jallow)
We should not be oblivious that false pretense is a
thriving enterprise in the Gambia because of a widespread fear factor
and selfish opportunistic motives that the regime promotes and seems to
depend upon for survival. A former acquaintance of mine once personally
described to me the current Gambian regime as akin to a violent
hurricane that destroys any person or structure that stands on its path.
This particular individual further rationalized that as such any wise
Gambian would seek shelter from the regime as a clever person would
shelter from a passing destructive hurricane. True to
his words or not, this particular guy went on to serve as a Cabinet
Minister in the regime. Up to this day, I can't figure out whether his
stint in Cabinet was simply a perfect art of sheltering from the regime
in the regime or merely a genuine change of heart when the call to
national duties came to him. It could also possibly be a smart career
move of CV enrichment in line with what I once read from a political
pundit speculating as a key motive for some Gambian intellectuals’
desire to serve in the regime. Whenever I meet him again, I would try to
find out his reasons.
However, I believe that no fair-minded person would
slap the 'guilty by association' label on every Gambian who associates
with the current regime. This would be wrong because there are a lot of
honest and dedicated selfless hardworking Gambians who have honorably
served under the APRC regime and many still continue doing so in our
nation's public service. Regardless of these especially trying times,
our nation would continue to rely on true public servants, be they in
government or in political opposition to the regime. What we don't need
and cannot therefore tolerate or celebrate are sycophants, killers,
torturers; witch-hunters, arsonists, and parasites in our society such
as we have seen on a worrying scale since 22nd July 1994.
In my humble view, Gambians ought to regard and treat
one another as members of one big family. What someone would not want to
be done to him or her or their son or daughter or friends or relatives,
he or she should not likewise do to another person. As I would not want
myself or any member of my immediate family to be ever harmed or killed
by any person or authority, I would likewise refrain from trying to
harm or kill anyone and would urge the same. It’s as simple as that! Is
that asking for what is unreasonable or unrealistic or even too much?
Unfortunately for some Gambians, this is still too much to ask for or
expect.
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--- On Mon, 22/11/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: I give you Jacques Kourouma of Waati (The Times) News. Transummary to come later.
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 22:08
Just enjoy fact from fiction for now. Haruna.
Perpétuelle victime que fais-tu pour la Guinée?
Source : Autres : Dernière Mise à jour : 22/11/2010 (Auteur : .)
 Dans
la vie de tous les jours, il est des actes qui honorent tandis que
d’autres déshonorent un Homme ou un groupe social, professionnel ou
politique
Depuis la proclamation des résultats du premier tour de la
présidentielle guinéenne le 27 juin 2010, le compatriote Mamadou Cellou
Dalein Diallo ne cesse de « verser notre figure à terre » (expression
populaire ivoirienne pour dire honte) devant le monde entier. Il ne fait de doute qu’il prononce chaque jour le mot
sacré : démocratie, sans en comprendre le principe et le sens
fondateur. Donc un peu de leçon pour mon frère Mamadou Cellou Dalein
Diallo !
La démocratie, avons-nous appris, est d’origine
grecque. Elle a été introduite dans la cité quand l’oiseau minerve,
après le dur labeur de la journée, a pris son envol. Ce qui libéra
l’esprit lequel se mit à réfléchir et créa le pouvoir du peuple par le
peuple et pour le peuple : la démocratie.
De l’époque à nos jours, la gestion de la cité
s’effectue par le politique sous mandat de la majorité. C’est en cela
que les élections (choix) ont le sens de départager des candidats. Et
ceux-ci, dans le respect de l’esprit démocratique, acceptent le verdict
des urnes dont le principe est l’isolément lors du choix du candidat de
confiance. Ce choix est un acte de conviction, car il est conscient et
consciencieux. Lorsqu’il est exprimé, tout candidat digne, honnête et
surtout patriote, s’incline en reconnaissant sa victoire ou sa défaite.
Mais souvent, c’est au vaincu de s’avouer vaincu. Cette noble attitude
donne à la politique la noblesse qui caractérise la démocratie, en tant
que valeur universelle, même si chaque société produit sa propre
démocratie. La Guinée vient de donner jour à la sienne en déjouant tous
les pronostics qui ventilaient, ici et là, le chaos, bien cher aux
ethnostratèges. Les voilà encore dans les traineaux de la complotite
inventant des preuves virtuelles et imaginaires de massacres de Peulh
qui n’auront jamais lieu en Guinée.
Souvent, et de façon démocratique, le vaincu prend la
parole pour montrer, à la face du monde, son attachement au respect des
électeurs en acceptant sa défaite dans l’honneur. Ce simple geste est
un acte hautement responsable et honore celui qui l’accomplit. Il est
une invitation des électeurs pour des prochaines échéances.
Mais que constatons-nous depuis l’annonce des
résultats provisoires d’une élection qui est reconnue par la majorité
des Guinéens et nombreux observateurs comme ayant été libre (parce que
les électeurs sont partis librement aux urnes), transparente
(puisqu’elle s’est déroulée dans le respect de la loi électorale en
présence des représentants de chaque candidat et de nombreux
observateurs, non Guinéens) et démocratique (du fait qu’aucun n’a été ni
inquiété, ni forcé dans l’expression libre de son choix) ?
Alors l’obstination de Mamadou Cellou Dalein Diallo
devient, à partir de ce moment inquiétante, non pas pour la Guinée, mais
une peur pour sa santé mentale parce qu’il est un compatriote, et
surtout pour nous avoir représenté onze ans durant, sans avoir reçu
notre mandat.
Et c’est à ce titre que nous devons l’assister, sinon demain, nous pouvons être accusés de non assistance à personne en danger.
Du coup, la multiplication diversifiée et
contradictoire de ses déclarations, dont le dénominateur commun reste la
victimisation, paraît attentatoire à la sécurité publique et à la
sûreté de l’Etat guinéen. Par conséquent, il n’est pas exagéré de
s’interroger s’il n’est atteint soit d’une schizophrénie, soit de la
paranoïa. L’appel aux experts, dans ce contexte, est toujours la règle
d’or pour le sauver.
L’acte est pressant, d’autant que sa posture fait de vagues dangereuses
parce qu’entraînant de pauvres enfants dont les commanditaires sont tous
partis actuellement de la Guinée pour se retrouver aux côtés des leurs à
l’étranger tout en poussant ceux des pauvres guinéens à la rue.
Cyniques personnages, n’est-ce pas ?
En tout cas, les accusations faite, devant la presse,
du premier ministre Jean Marie Doré et du ministre de la sécurité et de
la protection civile, le général Mamadouba Toto Camara, de diriger la
répression contre son ethnie est l’un des symptômes de cette atteinte
pathologique de notre ancien PM voleur. Ses propos sont dignes d’un
homme public qui vient d’échouer, à quelques milliers de voix, dans
l’accession au fauteuil présidentiel. Et pourtant il briquait la
magistrature suprême ! Comment peut-on, même dans un avenir proche ou
lointain, la lui accorder tant son discours égo-ethnocentriste est
porteur de la haine envers les autres composantes sociales guinéennes?
Le malheur est qu’il a éclaboussé nos respectables compatriotes de la
Moyenne de Guinée Faisons tri de la bone graine et de l’ivraie pour la
paix sociale en Guinée !
En ce moment crucial, n’avions-nous pas entendu le
sinistre Bah Oury déclarer qu’ils peuvent affamer la Guinée entière
quand ils le veulent (l’expérience a été faite, juste après les
résultats provisoires du second tour : flambée des prix des denrées,
dévaluation à outrance de la monnaie, par exemple, 100€ s’échangeait
contre 1 million de FG). Comment ce club de mercantilistes peut-il être
porteur de la graine de la démocratie guinéenne à semer désormais pour
le bonheur de nous tous alors que, comme l’écrivait Kylé Diallo : « [Ses
membres] ne pensaient qu’à leurs containers… » pendant que l’Alliance
arc-en-ciel, elle, réfléchissait au changement en Guinée?
Au regard de tout cela, les Guinéens doivent se
donner la main pour construire avec le Président élu la nouvelle Guinée
dans laquelle la cohésion et la paix sociales permettront le
développement durable de la nation. C’est possible en refusant d’écouter
les incendiaires, mais irresponsables accusations et propos du candidat
vaincu, que j'interroge : Victime perpétuelle que fais-tu de l’intérêt
supérieur de la Guinée ?
Jacques KOUROUMA
Jacques KOUROUMA
2010-11-21
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