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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:55 PM, C. Omar Kebbeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Hello,
> Dont waste your times, the Gambian opposition is broken because of the
> leadership. All these is just cheap talk. Gambians love President Jammeh and
> will always elect him as president. Are you guys forgetting about 2006?
> Please tell these groups to come and join the APRC.
>
>   On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Modou my friend, I am very busy at this time but will take time out to
>> see if you can educate me on part of your notes that is not an exclusive
>> question for JDAM. I saw Rene's amicus and I would share some ideas with
>> that other Pliny later. I'm all yours for now:
>>
>> [-----Original Message-----  From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>  Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 5:40
>> am  Subject: Re: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and
>> Darboe.
>>   LJD, Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Every person has his or her
>> own opinion hence it is not worthwhile to argue with opinions.] Modou.
>>
>> It is opinions that characterized the infamous meeting between Hons. Sidia
>> and Ousainou. They gave each other their opinions and were supposed to GET
>> BACK TO EACH OTHER. That is the disposition of folk trained toward a common
>> ALLIANCE I think.
>>
>> [The best is to respect them and recognise the wisdom in them if any.]
>> Modou.
>>
>> It is the opinions of the Honorables. It is for them to respect those
>> opinions. We, on the other hand are not beholden to those opinions nor hold
>> a particular regard for them if any.
>>
>> [If I may want to follow the pattern of your argument and try to respond
>> to all that you raised it would mean reducing this whole exercise to a mere
>> exchange of words.] Modou.
>>
>> COnversation is a mere exchange of words until either party acts on those
>> words.
>>
>> [Needless to say, if you are left wondering what “speculations” Sidia is
>> talking about, me Modou Nynag, I am not. Since Sidia’s meeting with Darboe
>> rumours were spreading in the country regarding the meeting and it’s
>> possible outcome, hence the need to clear the air.] Modou.
>>
>> I see you find need now to argue speculations (opinions). It is a tricky
>> proposition Modou to discount exchange of words and opinions as mere
>> chatter.
>>
>> [I would want detail of every meeting be made public for everyone to know
>> what transpired because we have nothing to hide.] Modou.
>>
>> I wish you to consider that if you pour your heart and soul out to me
>> today, I still wouldn't know if you have something or nothing to hide Modou.
>> Think about it. What we intend to hide, we store in irretrievable memory.
>> WHat we intend to share we store in random memory.
>>
>> [We are faced with a similar situation regarding the NADD situation.]
>> Modou.
>>
>> You appear to be re-litigating NADD Modou. Tell me it ain't so. Could it
>> be that Hon. Halifa transferred negotiating powers to Sidia (NADD) because
>> NADD was to be relitigated ad-infinitum?
>>
>> [Even a meeting between Sidia and Darboe after Darboe pulled out of NADD
>> was rumoured as Sidia joining UDP.] Modou.
>>
>> The ides of NADD!!! Imagine what would happen when you hold a primary
>> among opposition politicians Modou. Under AGENDA 2020.
>>
>> [So LJD, you have a right to your opinion, but don’t think that will also
>> stop us from acting the way we feel is right and appropriate.] Modou.
>>
>> The problem then comes alive when each of us ACT on our unique opinions.
>> Because we all think we're right and our opinions are appropriate. This is
>> the idea behind conversations and negotiations for commoner relief.
>>
>> [“It is the "primary" question that stands in the way of a united front in
>> the sense that its architecture appears to rig the outcome in favour of
>> Halifa”.
>> LJD, this is the second time you have said that the primary aspect of
>> Agenda 2011 is designed to favour Halifa. What makes you say so? Are you
>> saying that when Halifa is in a ballot to select a single candidate to
>> represent the opposition against others including Darboe it will go his way?
>> Why and How? You have to answer these questions.] Modou of JDAM.
>>
>> I will yield for JDAM to share his OPINIONS with your OPINIONS Modou.
>> Albeit couched in inquiry. Besides, I have no comment on AGENDA 2020 and
>> caucuses and primaries. In a country where the battle is to remove one idiot
>> from office. Never will have. A sheer waste of time and resources to me.
>>
>> [And to say that it is the primary question “that stands in the way of a
>> united front”, is an utter statement to say the least. How is the primary
>> question standing in the way of a united front? It is interesting that your
>> option for a way forward for a united front is “UDP leading a united front
>> under an ironclad agreement constraining its ability to misbehave once in
>> government.”] Modou.
>>
>> There is no other way you can control the behavior or misbehavior of your
>> fellow in a democratic society. You must rely on their better
>> wisdom....Binding constraint. CHeck with Putin and Medvedev for more ideas.
>>
>> [LJD, may I inform you that your favoured option for a united front is a
>> deterrent to opposition unity to me as well as many others.] Modou.
>>
>> It very well may be Modou and you are entitled to share that opinion with
>> us just as JDAM shared his with us.
>> Either of you or both of you sharing that does not the deterrent make for
>> the sober and reflective among us. When a people is confronted with
>> momentous considerations as Gambians are at this time, frivolous schemes
>> will not paly a large role in their calculus. Trust me.
>>
>> {And by the way what do you consider an “ironclad agreement” that will be
>> able to constrain the “ability [of the UDP] to misbehave once in
>> government.” LJD, I really want to know. Being the legal person that you are
>> your input in such an agreement will be worthwhile.} Modou.
>>
>> Ironclad agreement in law means an agreement signed by the parties to a
>> negotiation. Nothing more nothing less. It does not mean clad in steel or
>> any of iron's alloys.
>>
>> [Personally, I share wholly Sidia’s view that he is "not sure which
>> political leader in the opposition could take voters away from the ruling
>> party and motivate those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote”, to help
>> the opposition win the election.] Modou.
>>
>> Modou, I also recognize that Hon. Sidia may not be sure of the foregoing.
>> I will add however that if Hon. Sidia wishes to be sure that the opposition
>> takes votes away from Yahya and encourage those who abstained to come out in
>> their good number, unafraid, to vote, is to combine the efforts and gravitas
>> of all those opposition political leaders in an ALLIANCE. That is sure to
>> cover all the ambiguities. And don't discount the symbolism inherent in an
>> ALLIANCE-FRONT in the eyes of the vrai voters. In La-Guinea and Mali, folks
>> were not sure which of the opposition political parties (incl. ATT) would
>> win. But after hallmark ALLIANCES, any of the sober won. And Mali's
>> government was a national unity government. La-Guinea's government promises
>> to be that too. A National Unity government is actually a misnomer. What we
>> call a National Unity government is actually a Government as democracy
>> envisioned.
>>
>> [Your argument that “UDP has a far larger support base than any opposition
>> party in the country” is not a good enough argument and guarantee for us to
>> flock behind them.] Modou.
>>
>> Modou, consider that that opinon of JDAM is not good enough argument. Now
>> consider UDP (whose support base is questionnable therefore) alloyed with
>> NRP, PPP, GMC, and PDOIS. Or let's say PDOIS has the far larger support base
>> than any opposition. Then consider PDOIS alloyed with UDP, NRP, GMC, and
>> PPP. What do you think you're gonna git????
>>
>> [Furthermore, I personally discourage PDOIS from ever thinking of
>> supporting a UDP led alliance. We are not part of UDP.] Modou.
>>
>> Let's say PDOIS ascends to your advice Modou for fancy. Would you envisage
>> UDP, NRP, PPP, or GMC or all to ever think of supporting a PDOIS-led
>> alliance??? After all none of these parties are part of PDOIS. DO not
>> mistake grace and consideration for obsolescence. You are basically
>> constraining PDOIS' dynamism in the future should they heed to your advice.
>> It is comforting to know that PDOIS is a more reflective party than that.
>>
>> [We are a party of our own with it’s holds different views on how to run
>> the affairs of our country once mandated by the people.] Modou.
>>
>> The other parties are parties of their own which hold different views on
>> how to run the affairs of our country once mandated by the people. At this
>> time, we work on "being mandated by the people". PDOIS will not lose its
>> identity and uniqueness by forming an electoral alliance with other
>> democratic parties if PDOIS' interest is democracy.
>>
>> [However, conscious of the circumstances on the ground and the position of
>> the parties’ seeking to replace the APRC in government, we fully subscribe
>> to a pooling of resources and strengths to effect a change of the system.
>> This pooling of resources should not amount to helping one part of the whole
>> into becoming a lord over the rest of the others.] Modou.
>>
>> I suppose you'd rather the other parts pool their resources to help PDOIS
>> into becoming Lord over them. How can a party become Lord over her allied
>> parties Modou????? I see you're in a defiant mood these days my friend. You
>> cannot forge an alliance with this attitude. Imagine if Francois Lounceny
>> Fall, Ousmane Bah, DIallo, Kouyate, Fofana, Kourouma, Bangoura, Toure,
>> Baadiko, Barry, Kaba, or Camara had your frame of mind. We would not have
>> had this new hope for La-Guinea.
>>
>> [Since it is the collective input of a group that helps to bring about
>> such a change, it has to be transitional in order to finally give way for a
>> level and multiparty contest by all on equal footing, nothing more nothing
>> less.] Modou.
>>
>> I don't see anyone arguing with the concept of a transitional government.
>> By its very definition in democracy, a government is inherently
>> transitional. And the level and multiparty both should be accrued in that
>> transition. Frankly I don't know what your anxieties are Modou. You seem to
>> agree at the end of your notes that what an ALLIANCE would yield (change) is
>> good. But in the beginning, you take exception at PDOIS even considering a
>> party-led alliance on account of PDOIS' uniqueness. It is unique parties
>> that form Alliances. I suppose if the other parties were to wake up on the
>> wrong side of the bed one day and say "PDOIS, we would like to follow your
>> lead in an alliance of our parties" you would reject it outright because
>> they are different from you????????????????????? Allahu wakubaru!!!
>>
>> [A change for the better is what we are yearning for not the elevation of
>> others above the rest.] Modou.
>>
>> In America, we were yearning for a change for the better. We thought we
>> would elevate Obama above Hillary and the rest so he can be our Pall-bearer
>> into that change. The scenario you envisage is that of a stalemate society
>> with a whole bunch of chiefs and no injuns.
>>
>> [If any is so desperate let them go get it hence no one can accuse us of
>> helping to put in office a bad government whenever it turns out to be
>> so.] Modou.
>>
>> And if doesn't turn our to be so?????? You don't want to be accused of
>> removing your persecutor for fear your brother might replace him. A brother
>> who has never indicated to you in his history that he will persecute you. Eh
>> Allah.
>>
>> [If PDOIS was only interested in changing governments, the PPP government
>> would have been history long before 1994.] Modou.
>>
>> You're funny Modou. WHy do you think there was no PDOIS during the
>> COLONIAL GOVERNMENT that preceded the
>> PPP????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That is
>> the $64,000.00 question. I suppose PDOIS did not have the requisite
>> consciousness then???? And what is PDOIS interested in besides replacing the
>> government of the day????? Maybe we can point PDOIS in the right direction
>> when we know what he's wantin.
>>
>> Men, I'll be late for my meeting. Later men. What a pain in the arse???
>> Haruna.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 12/7/10, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and
>> Darboe
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 3:46 AM
>>
>>     Nyang
>>
>> Sidia's statement is quite extraordinary in its evasiveness and needless
>> inbuilt propaganda.
>>
>> When did the meeting with Ousainou happened?
>>
>> His Central Committee knew he was meeting Ousainou. Did he report back, or
>> was he *"invited to a meeting by the PDOIS Executive Committee to brief
>> them on whether the UDP leader had spoken to me about any Alliance that they
>> wanted PDOIS to join which aims to discuss the future of the country and the
>> modalities of creating a united front without any conditionality"*
>>
>> What *"speculations"* is Sidia talking about? It was no secret that Sidia
>> and Ousainou met, and this statement from Sidia may therefore be seen as
>> nothing other than a replay of the NADD disaster in 2006. Even when it was
>> absolutely clear we would not get a united front against Doctor Jammeh (as
>> he then was), we were bombarded with ceaseless propaganda from Halifa
>> regarding his willingness to adhere to the wishes of the people.
>>
>> About Ousainou selling his *"his candidature to the Gambian voters*",
>> this is indeed feet dragging par excellence by Sidia and his organisation.
>> The spirit enunciated in Agenda 2011 is embodied in the general principles
>> of opposition to the government of the APRC. Merely committing them to paper
>> does not make them unique principles of PDOIS. It is the "primary" question
>> that stands in the way of a united front in the sense that its architecture
>>  appears to rig the outcome in favour of Halifa.
>>
>> For example, Sidia contends that he is *"not sure which political leader
>> in the opposition could take voters away from the ruling party and motivate
>> those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote. Hence I subscribe to the
>> idea of holding a primary for the people to select the candidate of their
>> choice in line with Agenda 2011. I told him that this is why I endorse
>> Agenda 2011"*.
>>
>> If the ultimate objective is to is to *"take voters away from the ruling
>> party and motivate those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote"* in
>> sufficient numbers to defeat the APRC, then the answer is none of the
>> opposition leaders individually. That will only come about under a united
>> front, and unquestionably, the UDP has a far larger support base than any
>> opposition party in the country. PDOIS should drop the unnecessary
>> conditionality of a 'primary' and consider the alternative of UDP leading a
>> united front under an ironclad agreement constraining its ability to
>> misbehave once in government.
>>
>> I am not the least impressed by Sidia's assertion thus: *"He assured me
>> that he would hold an extraordinary meeting with his committee and come back
>> to me. Since then I have been waiting to know what their stand is on Agenda
>> 2011 or selling his candidature to the Gambian voters. These are the ways
>> forward that are before the UDP leader and they need to take a stand and
>> move on instead of giving the impression that Sidia is dragging his feet on
>> the issue of a united front".*
>>
>> Again, when did the meeting with Ousainou occurred, and did they agree on
>> when Ousainou would "come back" to Sidia? As to the insinuation that
>> Ousainou is holding matters, when was the issue of a meeting first mooted,
>> and how long did it take for it to materialise? Why is Sidia so eager to
>> preempt the issue of "feet dragging"? The trick is to appreciate the
>> pertinent streams of thought when dealing with a media savvy organisation
>> like PDOIS.
>>
>> And finally to a point that is ever present in expressed views of the
>> PDOIS leadership. Sidia  states that *"those who want to support the
>> opposition should take their sides and promote dialogue while not
>> undermining each other’s positions. This is the way forward". *Halifa
>> stated this in his interview with *Maafanta.com*, and Sidia now repeats
>> it. Why can they not accept that Gambians can be *neutral,* and that
>> people like myself, Joe Sambou, and countless others, are in no way wedded
>> to any particular party, and that this is quite legitimate and plausible on
>> public questions of great significance. If this is intended to stop
>> difficult dialogue, it is unlikely to succeed.
>>
>> As of now, I am in no doubt that PDOIS is a major stumbling block in the
>> creation of a united front in so far as the non-negotiable bottleneck of an
>> unnecessary Agenda 2011 'primary' is concerned
>>
>> I assure Sidia that contrary to his view, we are well aware of the
>> "concrete realities on the ground". Again, this dismissive statement will
>> not deter elements within the Diaspora community from having its say on
>> issues affecting the direction of our country.
>>
>> More pertinently, some of us are not primed to be swayed by mere
>> propaganda!
>>
>>
>>
>> LJDarbo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 6/12/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and Darboe
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 17:57
>>
>>    SIDIA JATTA /OUSAINOU DARBOE MEETING
>>
>> The National Assembly Member for Wuli West, Hon, Sidia Jatta, issued the
>> following statement relating to his meeting with Mr. Ousainou Darboe,
>> Secretary General and Leader of the United Democratic Party.
>>
>> DECEMBER 5, 2010
>>
>> Having been waiting for Mr Ousainou Darboe to come back to me as promised
>> after meeting his Executive Committee, I was invited to a meeting by the
>> PDOIS Executive Committee to brief them on whether the UDP leader had spoken
>> to me about any Alliance that they wanted PDOIS to join which aims to
>> discuss the future of the country and the modalities of creating a united
>> front without any conditionality. It has been brought to my notice that the
>> GMC leader, Mr. Mai Fatty, has called on PDOIS to join an Alliance but has
>> not sent any document to indicate that an Alliance exists which PDOIS should
>> join. After my discussion with the PDOIS Central Committee, I have seen the
>> need to make my discussion with the UDP leader public so that all
>> speculations would come to an end. Gambians should bear in mind what has
>> happened in Guinea Conakry and what is happening in Cote D’Ivoire at this
>> very moment. Some leaders are not interested in historical legacies. They
>> are only interested in having their way whether for the better or for the
>> worse. Finally, it is the ordinary people who pay for the follies of their
>> leaders. I do not want any body to link me to any dragging of feet regarding
>> the creation of a united front by the opposition.
>>
>> My discussion with UDP leader was direct, frank, short and without any
>> ambiguity.
>> We discussed four main items, that is, his concept of what constitutes the
>> international standard of forming opposition alliances; the NADD experience,
>> Agenda 2011 and the need for opposition collaboration to monitor the
>> registration of voters.
>>
>> Mr. Darboe told me that the international standard of establishing
>> opposition Alliances is for the party with the majority to lead and the
>> others to follow.
>>
>> I observed that it is unfortunate that in the Gambian context there is no
>> second round of voting which would have made it possible for the people to
>> select the two candidates who could participate in the final round. I added
>> that if he wants, he as UDP leader to be supported as a candidate, on the
>> basis of the principle he mentioned, he should go ahead and start a campaign
>> to sell his candidature to the Gambian voters.
>>
>> I emphasised that on my part, I am not sure which political leader in the
>> opposition could take voters away from the ruling party and motivate those
>> who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote. Hence I subscribe to the idea of
>> holding a primary for the people to select the candidate of their choice in
>> line with Agenda 2011. I told him that this is why I endorse Agenda 2011.
>>
>> We then discussed the NADD experience. I made it very clear that even
>> though other options were put on the table, all parties agreed to create
>> NADD. I showed its successes and possibilities as a viable opposition
>> Alliance. He maintained that NADD was destroyed by others.
>>
>> He expressed his view that Agenda 2011 is very good on paper but that he
>> fears that it is not workable. He said that if different opposition leaders
>> go on a political platform to campaign to be the Candidate of the
>> opposition, they may engage in character assassination just to win votes. I
>> told him that his fear should be laid to rest since Agenda 2011 is calling
>> for each party or Independent personality to promote the Agenda on one’s own
>> platform and seek a mandate of the people across the board. I emphasised
>> that the mere fact that all voters who support the Agenda would be called
>> upon to vote for the single candidate makes it essential for no candidate to
>> be subjected to character assassination, since he or she may very well
>> become the people’s choice of candidate. At that point he said that he was
>> reassured.
>>
>> Finally, he questioned whether it was not possible for the opposition to
>> collaborate to monitor the registration of voters. I told him that this was
>> a necessity and every effort should be done to do so.
>>
>> He assured me that he would hold an extraordinary meeting with his
>> committee and come back to me. Since then I have been waiting to know what
>> their stand is on Agenda 2011 or selling his candidature to the Gambian
>> voters. These are the ways forward that are before the UDP leader and they
>> need to take a stand and move on instead of giving the impression that Sidia
>> is dragging his feet on the issue of a united front.
>>
>> I have made it abundantly clear to the PDOIS Central Committee that there
>> is no political vacuum for the creation of a United Front in the Gambia. The
>> UDP leader has the option to start his campaign for the people to accept his
>> candidature and extend invitation to others who are yet to be confident that
>> he alone could put an end to voter apathy
>> Agenda 2011 calls for each party to go on its own platform and campaign
>> for its own candidate to be the single candidate of the opposition through a
>> primary,
>> NADD is still legally registered and all political parties could embrace
>> it and then come together to select a single candidate. As far as I know
>> PDOIS still subscribes to the NADD idea but PPP under OJ has also not pulled
>> out of NADD.
>>
>> Those who want to support the opposition should take their sides and
>> promote dialogue while not undermining each other’s positions. This is the
>> way forward. I am willing to meet any representative from the GMC or any
>> other party that aims to discuss Gambia’s future. Issuing comments in cyber
>> space without knowing the concrete realities on the ground is not enough.
>>
>> The End
>>
>> SIDIA JATTA
>> NATIONAL ASSEMBLY MEMBER FOR WULI WEST
>>
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