Fankung, Zip up! Mboge On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:55 PM, C. Omar Kebbeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Hello, > Dont waste your times, the Gambian opposition is broken because of the > leadership. All these is just cheap talk. Gambians love President Jammeh and > will always elect him as president. Are you guys forgetting about 2006? > Please tell these groups to come and join the APRC. > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Modou my friend, I am very busy at this time but will take time out to >> see if you can educate me on part of your notes that is not an exclusive >> question for JDAM. I saw Rene's amicus and I would share some ideas with >> that other Pliny later. I'm all yours for now: >> >> [-----Original Message----- From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> >> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 5:40 >> am Subject: Re: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and >> Darboe. >> LJD, Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Every person has his or her >> own opinion hence it is not worthwhile to argue with opinions.] Modou. >> >> It is opinions that characterized the infamous meeting between Hons. Sidia >> and Ousainou. They gave each other their opinions and were supposed to GET >> BACK TO EACH OTHER. That is the disposition of folk trained toward a common >> ALLIANCE I think. >> >> [The best is to respect them and recognise the wisdom in them if any.] >> Modou. >> >> It is the opinions of the Honorables. It is for them to respect those >> opinions. We, on the other hand are not beholden to those opinions nor hold >> a particular regard for them if any. >> >> [If I may want to follow the pattern of your argument and try to respond >> to all that you raised it would mean reducing this whole exercise to a mere >> exchange of words.] Modou. >> >> COnversation is a mere exchange of words until either party acts on those >> words. >> >> [Needless to say, if you are left wondering what “speculations” Sidia is >> talking about, me Modou Nynag, I am not. Since Sidia’s meeting with Darboe >> rumours were spreading in the country regarding the meeting and it’s >> possible outcome, hence the need to clear the air.] Modou. >> >> I see you find need now to argue speculations (opinions). It is a tricky >> proposition Modou to discount exchange of words and opinions as mere >> chatter. >> >> [I would want detail of every meeting be made public for everyone to know >> what transpired because we have nothing to hide.] Modou. >> >> I wish you to consider that if you pour your heart and soul out to me >> today, I still wouldn't know if you have something or nothing to hide Modou. >> Think about it. What we intend to hide, we store in irretrievable memory. >> WHat we intend to share we store in random memory. >> >> [We are faced with a similar situation regarding the NADD situation.] >> Modou. >> >> You appear to be re-litigating NADD Modou. Tell me it ain't so. Could it >> be that Hon. Halifa transferred negotiating powers to Sidia (NADD) because >> NADD was to be relitigated ad-infinitum? >> >> [Even a meeting between Sidia and Darboe after Darboe pulled out of NADD >> was rumoured as Sidia joining UDP.] Modou. >> >> The ides of NADD!!! Imagine what would happen when you hold a primary >> among opposition politicians Modou. Under AGENDA 2020. >> >> [So LJD, you have a right to your opinion, but don’t think that will also >> stop us from acting the way we feel is right and appropriate.] Modou. >> >> The problem then comes alive when each of us ACT on our unique opinions. >> Because we all think we're right and our opinions are appropriate. This is >> the idea behind conversations and negotiations for commoner relief. >> >> [“It is the "primary" question that stands in the way of a united front in >> the sense that its architecture appears to rig the outcome in favour of >> Halifa”. >> LJD, this is the second time you have said that the primary aspect of >> Agenda 2011 is designed to favour Halifa. What makes you say so? Are you >> saying that when Halifa is in a ballot to select a single candidate to >> represent the opposition against others including Darboe it will go his way? >> Why and How? You have to answer these questions.] Modou of JDAM. >> >> I will yield for JDAM to share his OPINIONS with your OPINIONS Modou. >> Albeit couched in inquiry. Besides, I have no comment on AGENDA 2020 and >> caucuses and primaries. In a country where the battle is to remove one idiot >> from office. Never will have. A sheer waste of time and resources to me. >> >> [And to say that it is the primary question “that stands in the way of a >> united front”, is an utter statement to say the least. How is the primary >> question standing in the way of a united front? It is interesting that your >> option for a way forward for a united front is “UDP leading a united front >> under an ironclad agreement constraining its ability to misbehave once in >> government.”] Modou. >> >> There is no other way you can control the behavior or misbehavior of your >> fellow in a democratic society. You must rely on their better >> wisdom....Binding constraint. CHeck with Putin and Medvedev for more ideas. >> >> [LJD, may I inform you that your favoured option for a united front is a >> deterrent to opposition unity to me as well as many others.] Modou. >> >> It very well may be Modou and you are entitled to share that opinion with >> us just as JDAM shared his with us. >> Either of you or both of you sharing that does not the deterrent make for >> the sober and reflective among us. When a people is confronted with >> momentous considerations as Gambians are at this time, frivolous schemes >> will not paly a large role in their calculus. Trust me. >> >> {And by the way what do you consider an “ironclad agreement” that will be >> able to constrain the “ability [of the UDP] to misbehave once in >> government.” LJD, I really want to know. Being the legal person that you are >> your input in such an agreement will be worthwhile.} Modou. >> >> Ironclad agreement in law means an agreement signed by the parties to a >> negotiation. Nothing more nothing less. It does not mean clad in steel or >> any of iron's alloys. >> >> [Personally, I share wholly Sidia’s view that he is "not sure which >> political leader in the opposition could take voters away from the ruling >> party and motivate those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote”, to help >> the opposition win the election.] Modou. >> >> Modou, I also recognize that Hon. Sidia may not be sure of the foregoing. >> I will add however that if Hon. Sidia wishes to be sure that the opposition >> takes votes away from Yahya and encourage those who abstained to come out in >> their good number, unafraid, to vote, is to combine the efforts and gravitas >> of all those opposition political leaders in an ALLIANCE. That is sure to >> cover all the ambiguities. And don't discount the symbolism inherent in an >> ALLIANCE-FRONT in the eyes of the vrai voters. In La-Guinea and Mali, folks >> were not sure which of the opposition political parties (incl. ATT) would >> win. But after hallmark ALLIANCES, any of the sober won. And Mali's >> government was a national unity government. La-Guinea's government promises >> to be that too. A National Unity government is actually a misnomer. What we >> call a National Unity government is actually a Government as democracy >> envisioned. >> >> [Your argument that “UDP has a far larger support base than any opposition >> party in the country” is not a good enough argument and guarantee for us to >> flock behind them.] Modou. >> >> Modou, consider that that opinon of JDAM is not good enough argument. Now >> consider UDP (whose support base is questionnable therefore) alloyed with >> NRP, PPP, GMC, and PDOIS. Or let's say PDOIS has the far larger support base >> than any opposition. Then consider PDOIS alloyed with UDP, NRP, GMC, and >> PPP. What do you think you're gonna git???? >> >> [Furthermore, I personally discourage PDOIS from ever thinking of >> supporting a UDP led alliance. We are not part of UDP.] Modou. >> >> Let's say PDOIS ascends to your advice Modou for fancy. Would you envisage >> UDP, NRP, PPP, or GMC or all to ever think of supporting a PDOIS-led >> alliance??? After all none of these parties are part of PDOIS. DO not >> mistake grace and consideration for obsolescence. You are basically >> constraining PDOIS' dynamism in the future should they heed to your advice. >> It is comforting to know that PDOIS is a more reflective party than that. >> >> [We are a party of our own with it’s holds different views on how to run >> the affairs of our country once mandated by the people.] Modou. >> >> The other parties are parties of their own which hold different views on >> how to run the affairs of our country once mandated by the people. At this >> time, we work on "being mandated by the people". PDOIS will not lose its >> identity and uniqueness by forming an electoral alliance with other >> democratic parties if PDOIS' interest is democracy. >> >> [However, conscious of the circumstances on the ground and the position of >> the parties’ seeking to replace the APRC in government, we fully subscribe >> to a pooling of resources and strengths to effect a change of the system. >> This pooling of resources should not amount to helping one part of the whole >> into becoming a lord over the rest of the others.] Modou. >> >> I suppose you'd rather the other parts pool their resources to help PDOIS >> into becoming Lord over them. How can a party become Lord over her allied >> parties Modou????? I see you're in a defiant mood these days my friend. You >> cannot forge an alliance with this attitude. Imagine if Francois Lounceny >> Fall, Ousmane Bah, DIallo, Kouyate, Fofana, Kourouma, Bangoura, Toure, >> Baadiko, Barry, Kaba, or Camara had your frame of mind. We would not have >> had this new hope for La-Guinea. >> >> [Since it is the collective input of a group that helps to bring about >> such a change, it has to be transitional in order to finally give way for a >> level and multiparty contest by all on equal footing, nothing more nothing >> less.] Modou. >> >> I don't see anyone arguing with the concept of a transitional government. >> By its very definition in democracy, a government is inherently >> transitional. And the level and multiparty both should be accrued in that >> transition. Frankly I don't know what your anxieties are Modou. You seem to >> agree at the end of your notes that what an ALLIANCE would yield (change) is >> good. But in the beginning, you take exception at PDOIS even considering a >> party-led alliance on account of PDOIS' uniqueness. It is unique parties >> that form Alliances. I suppose if the other parties were to wake up on the >> wrong side of the bed one day and say "PDOIS, we would like to follow your >> lead in an alliance of our parties" you would reject it outright because >> they are different from you????????????????????? Allahu wakubaru!!! >> >> [A change for the better is what we are yearning for not the elevation of >> others above the rest.] Modou. >> >> In America, we were yearning for a change for the better. We thought we >> would elevate Obama above Hillary and the rest so he can be our Pall-bearer >> into that change. The scenario you envisage is that of a stalemate society >> with a whole bunch of chiefs and no injuns. >> >> [If any is so desperate let them go get it hence no one can accuse us of >> helping to put in office a bad government whenever it turns out to be >> so.] Modou. >> >> And if doesn't turn our to be so?????? You don't want to be accused of >> removing your persecutor for fear your brother might replace him. A brother >> who has never indicated to you in his history that he will persecute you. Eh >> Allah. >> >> [If PDOIS was only interested in changing governments, the PPP government >> would have been history long before 1994.] Modou. >> >> You're funny Modou. WHy do you think there was no PDOIS during the >> COLONIAL GOVERNMENT that preceded the >> PPP????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That is >> the $64,000.00 question. I suppose PDOIS did not have the requisite >> consciousness then???? And what is PDOIS interested in besides replacing the >> government of the day????? Maybe we can point PDOIS in the right direction >> when we know what he's wantin. >> >> Men, I'll be late for my meeting. Later men. What a pain in the arse??? >> Haruna. >> >> --- On *Tue, 12/7/10, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and >> Darboe >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 3:46 AM >> >> Nyang >> >> Sidia's statement is quite extraordinary in its evasiveness and needless >> inbuilt propaganda. >> >> When did the meeting with Ousainou happened? >> >> His Central Committee knew he was meeting Ousainou. Did he report back, or >> was he *"invited to a meeting by the PDOIS Executive Committee to brief >> them on whether the UDP leader had spoken to me about any Alliance that they >> wanted PDOIS to join which aims to discuss the future of the country and the >> modalities of creating a united front without any conditionality"* >> >> What *"speculations"* is Sidia talking about? It was no secret that Sidia >> and Ousainou met, and this statement from Sidia may therefore be seen as >> nothing other than a replay of the NADD disaster in 2006. Even when it was >> absolutely clear we would not get a united front against Doctor Jammeh (as >> he then was), we were bombarded with ceaseless propaganda from Halifa >> regarding his willingness to adhere to the wishes of the people. >> >> About Ousainou selling his *"his candidature to the Gambian voters*", >> this is indeed feet dragging par excellence by Sidia and his organisation. >> The spirit enunciated in Agenda 2011 is embodied in the general principles >> of opposition to the government of the APRC. Merely committing them to paper >> does not make them unique principles of PDOIS. It is the "primary" question >> that stands in the way of a united front in the sense that its architecture >> appears to rig the outcome in favour of Halifa. >> >> For example, Sidia contends that he is *"not sure which political leader >> in the opposition could take voters away from the ruling party and motivate >> those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote. Hence I subscribe to the >> idea of holding a primary for the people to select the candidate of their >> choice in line with Agenda 2011. I told him that this is why I endorse >> Agenda 2011"*. >> >> If the ultimate objective is to is to *"take voters away from the ruling >> party and motivate those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote"* in >> sufficient numbers to defeat the APRC, then the answer is none of the >> opposition leaders individually. That will only come about under a united >> front, and unquestionably, the UDP has a far larger support base than any >> opposition party in the country. PDOIS should drop the unnecessary >> conditionality of a 'primary' and consider the alternative of UDP leading a >> united front under an ironclad agreement constraining its ability to >> misbehave once in government. >> >> I am not the least impressed by Sidia's assertion thus: *"He assured me >> that he would hold an extraordinary meeting with his committee and come back >> to me. Since then I have been waiting to know what their stand is on Agenda >> 2011 or selling his candidature to the Gambian voters. These are the ways >> forward that are before the UDP leader and they need to take a stand and >> move on instead of giving the impression that Sidia is dragging his feet on >> the issue of a united front".* >> >> Again, when did the meeting with Ousainou occurred, and did they agree on >> when Ousainou would "come back" to Sidia? As to the insinuation that >> Ousainou is holding matters, when was the issue of a meeting first mooted, >> and how long did it take for it to materialise? Why is Sidia so eager to >> preempt the issue of "feet dragging"? The trick is to appreciate the >> pertinent streams of thought when dealing with a media savvy organisation >> like PDOIS. >> >> And finally to a point that is ever present in expressed views of the >> PDOIS leadership. Sidia states that *"those who want to support the >> opposition should take their sides and promote dialogue while not >> undermining each other’s positions. This is the way forward". *Halifa >> stated this in his interview with *Maafanta.com*, and Sidia now repeats >> it. Why can they not accept that Gambians can be *neutral,* and that >> people like myself, Joe Sambou, and countless others, are in no way wedded >> to any particular party, and that this is quite legitimate and plausible on >> public questions of great significance. If this is intended to stop >> difficult dialogue, it is unlikely to succeed. >> >> As of now, I am in no doubt that PDOIS is a major stumbling block in the >> creation of a united front in so far as the non-negotiable bottleneck of an >> unnecessary Agenda 2011 'primary' is concerned >> >> I assure Sidia that contrary to his view, we are well aware of the >> "concrete realities on the ground". Again, this dismissive statement will >> not deter elements within the Diaspora community from having its say on >> issues affecting the direction of our country. >> >> More pertinently, some of us are not primed to be swayed by mere >> propaganda! >> >> >> >> LJDarbo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 6/12/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and Darboe >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 17:57 >> >> SIDIA JATTA /OUSAINOU DARBOE MEETING >> >> The National Assembly Member for Wuli West, Hon, Sidia Jatta, issued the >> following statement relating to his meeting with Mr. Ousainou Darboe, >> Secretary General and Leader of the United Democratic Party. >> >> DECEMBER 5, 2010 >> >> Having been waiting for Mr Ousainou Darboe to come back to me as promised >> after meeting his Executive Committee, I was invited to a meeting by the >> PDOIS Executive Committee to brief them on whether the UDP leader had spoken >> to me about any Alliance that they wanted PDOIS to join which aims to >> discuss the future of the country and the modalities of creating a united >> front without any conditionality. It has been brought to my notice that the >> GMC leader, Mr. Mai Fatty, has called on PDOIS to join an Alliance but has >> not sent any document to indicate that an Alliance exists which PDOIS should >> join. After my discussion with the PDOIS Central Committee, I have seen the >> need to make my discussion with the UDP leader public so that all >> speculations would come to an end. Gambians should bear in mind what has >> happened in Guinea Conakry and what is happening in Cote D’Ivoire at this >> very moment. Some leaders are not interested in historical legacies. They >> are only interested in having their way whether for the better or for the >> worse. Finally, it is the ordinary people who pay for the follies of their >> leaders. I do not want any body to link me to any dragging of feet regarding >> the creation of a united front by the opposition. >> >> My discussion with UDP leader was direct, frank, short and without any >> ambiguity. >> We discussed four main items, that is, his concept of what constitutes the >> international standard of forming opposition alliances; the NADD experience, >> Agenda 2011 and the need for opposition collaboration to monitor the >> registration of voters. >> >> Mr. Darboe told me that the international standard of establishing >> opposition Alliances is for the party with the majority to lead and the >> others to follow. >> >> I observed that it is unfortunate that in the Gambian context there is no >> second round of voting which would have made it possible for the people to >> select the two candidates who could participate in the final round. I added >> that if he wants, he as UDP leader to be supported as a candidate, on the >> basis of the principle he mentioned, he should go ahead and start a campaign >> to sell his candidature to the Gambian voters. >> >> I emphasised that on my part, I am not sure which political leader in the >> opposition could take voters away from the ruling party and motivate those >> who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote. Hence I subscribe to the idea of >> holding a primary for the people to select the candidate of their choice in >> line with Agenda 2011. I told him that this is why I endorse Agenda 2011. >> >> We then discussed the NADD experience. I made it very clear that even >> though other options were put on the table, all parties agreed to create >> NADD. I showed its successes and possibilities as a viable opposition >> Alliance. He maintained that NADD was destroyed by others. >> >> He expressed his view that Agenda 2011 is very good on paper but that he >> fears that it is not workable. He said that if different opposition leaders >> go on a political platform to campaign to be the Candidate of the >> opposition, they may engage in character assassination just to win votes. I >> told him that his fear should be laid to rest since Agenda 2011 is calling >> for each party or Independent personality to promote the Agenda on one’s own >> platform and seek a mandate of the people across the board. I emphasised >> that the mere fact that all voters who support the Agenda would be called >> upon to vote for the single candidate makes it essential for no candidate to >> be subjected to character assassination, since he or she may very well >> become the people’s choice of candidate. At that point he said that he was >> reassured. >> >> Finally, he questioned whether it was not possible for the opposition to >> collaborate to monitor the registration of voters. I told him that this was >> a necessity and every effort should be done to do so. >> >> He assured me that he would hold an extraordinary meeting with his >> committee and come back to me. Since then I have been waiting to know what >> their stand is on Agenda 2011 or selling his candidature to the Gambian >> voters. These are the ways forward that are before the UDP leader and they >> need to take a stand and move on instead of giving the impression that Sidia >> is dragging his feet on the issue of a united front. >> >> I have made it abundantly clear to the PDOIS Central Committee that there >> is no political vacuum for the creation of a United Front in the Gambia. The >> UDP leader has the option to start his campaign for the people to accept his >> candidature and extend invitation to others who are yet to be confident that >> he alone could put an end to voter apathy >> Agenda 2011 calls for each party to go on its own platform and campaign >> for its own candidate to be the single candidate of the opposition through a >> primary, >> NADD is still legally registered and all political parties could embrace >> it and then come together to select a single candidate. As far as I know >> PDOIS still subscribes to the NADD idea but PPP under OJ has also not pulled >> out of NADD. >> >> Those who want to support the opposition should take their sides and >> promote dialogue while not undermining each other’s positions. This is the >> way forward. I am willing to meet any representative from the GMC or any >> other party that aims to discuss Gambia’s future. 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