Joe Still you are missing the point. When we analyse African problems we do not put a label to it, ie ethnic identity etc. We look at the issues as a political problem. Africans have killed each other as Christians (Rwanda, Burundi, Angola, Congo, Zaire, Uganda, Liberia and so on. Why shouldn't we say, blacks are so and so? The answer is simply not a matter of colour or religion. Yes, we have our brothers using democracy to legitimately get power but then do contrary to it dictates. Why then shouldn't we say, democracy has fail us? The narrative you are banging on about is straight forward a problem of political vacuum. As it happens, the leaders in Middle East, Africa have been playing hide and seek with their people for a long time. Europeans massacred each other more than any other. Was it a religious problem then? How many people did Hitler incinerated? Likewise Stalin, Lenin, General Franco, Mussolini, the Kings of great Britain? The question is, unless we rightly contextualise this issues, we are side tracking and repeating Anti-Islamic sentiments. If any Muslim use the Islamic label to commit acts of murder, he or she should be seen as a renegade, just like we do for our political leaders who abuse their so-call democratic positions. The reason Islam is subject to the characterisation you maintain is simply a derogation which is squarely a error you will find hard to distance yourself from. In fact, many of the groups purported to killing others are in fact inflicting more harm to members of their community. This is just like what our own African lunatic are good at. Hence, just because a person using political ambition and he happen to be a Muslim does not mean he is fighting an Islamic fight. I will agree with every body who condemned a murderer, whether they call themselves Muslim, Christain or Jew. Why shouldn't all criminals be identified with their faith or religion? As i said earlier, the wars that the west fight, either by proxy or direct use of high tech weaponry, surgical strikes ala in video games, they need new bad guys. This is where we have rogue elements adorning cloths of religiosity. Should the political problems be solved in Africa and Middle East and North Africa including Israel and Palestine, their will be no word of religious wars. Hence, the actions of criminals, rebels using religion should never be deliberately use to generalise a scorn against our religion. I know you mean well. but still you are mistaken in your comments. Yahya Jammeh is a Muslim,, why can't we attribute his crimes to his faith? Charles Taylor is a Christain, why can we blame his faith, likewise the Priest of Rwanda and Burundi who led the charge against their fellow Christians? No one can deny that, the news reports says that, group X suicide bomb certain places. These are depressing news because whatever the truth is, innocent people ate dying. However, we all know government terror are in fact the biggest form of mass murder. Suntou On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Yero, thanks for your response and I catch your drift. I am not blaming > Islam for acts of individuals. What my challenge is to you and your fellow > Muslims that continue to tell us Islam is a peaceful religion while Muslims > are being slaughtered by their fellow Muslims in the name of Islam and that > is not addressed. This is not restricted to the Somalis alone. Some of the > Arab states are the most brutal, yet, Muslims are blowing up innocent > Muslims with impunity. After saying that Islam is a peaceful religion more > than a thousand times or Islam is not at fault, one has to bring more to the > table. My name is Joe Sambou, but I was also raised partly by my aunt, > Ramatoulie Sumareh and Uncle, Malamin Korma, both Muslims. I am very aware > of what is up. My challenge is we need to bring more to the table than keep > repeating that Islam is peaceful. That has proven to not and will never be > the solution to Muslims slaughtering innocent Muslims. If it is cultural or > what ever, it must be addressed for it has gotten out of hand. > > Joe > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:22:42 -0600 > From: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: A Somalian Beheaded . > To: [log in to unmask] > > Greetings Bro.Batch & Joe. > > Agreeably, there is a problem somewhere, to put it quite frankly. Islam > though is not the problem -more peaceful than a dove. To help stretch this, > let us understand that there is a left path and a right path. A person > chooses the paths he/she wants to follow. > > To give you guys a little background on these Somalis, since close to > 750,000 of them live in the same state as I do -their problem is honestly > not the religion part. It has to do with the tribal lineages, the different > "kabilas". That said, while people may try to use religion to justify their > acts, what will stand out is the fact that people are responsible for what > they do. Their killing spree long since extended to the US. I remember > forwarding a piece here once regards to a Somali murder incident. The > Somalis has taken to a lot stuff lately, most recently noted the > gangs/prostitution rings that were raided in many states where hundreds of > them were arrested. > > In real life, I observed that people always have things to hang onto -the > hypocrisy part of their souls. For example, even Yaya Jammeh of the Gambia > sees himself as a great panafricanist and a liberator, basing it on > political prominence. Bin-laden will hang onto certain areas to justify his > mayhem. George W. Bush will act in the name of fighting terror to create > more world problems. Even the Rev. Jimmy Jones and Timothy McVeigh will all > cite certain areas. That is to say, the rotten heads need to stop their > cowardice. Live and let live, simple as it can be! > > While Islam has been a scapegoat for many incidents, I personally believe > with certainty it is not responsible for it. It is just what it is. People > fight for tribes, oil, political dominance, out of being spiteful, and even > simply just for arrogance, which ever of them will justify what they want to > achieve. I know the viewing of Islam as terror might not cease just like the > snap of a finger. The truth is this; it is based on two things -those doing > the unacceptable acts and those on the hunt to see the religion down. To me, > I see no difference in the two. In fact, the latter can masquerade in the > former, just to make sure a point is scored in branding Islam as terror and > not peaceful. > > [2:*256.* Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear > from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most > trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all > things. ], (Source: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/2.htm#256). > > Thanks for sharing! > > Yero. > > > > > > > > *There is no god but Allah (SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Fear > and Worship only Allah alone!* > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:31:08 -0800 > From: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: A Somalian Beheaded . > To: [log in to unmask] > > Joe, > You are very right by saying it in any form. I could not belief it too, a > human being can slaughter another human like this. Where is the love and > respect for human dignity? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Fri, December 17, 2010 11:30:51 AM > *Subject:* Re: A Somalian Beheaded . > > Banu, this is where it is not enough to continue to say Islam is peaceful > when you have such folks slaughtering their fellow humans under the name of > Islam with nothing to stop them. Regardless of what religion this young man > wished to convert to, this is barbaric. Thus, should we continue to focus > on pushing the defense for the peacefulness of Islam when many innocent > humans are slaughtered daily under the name of Islam? Muslims themselves > catch hell from their fellow muslims bombing them into pieces under the same > Islam. Something is wrong some where. This has been going on far too long, > only for Muslims to just say Islam is a peaceful religion and not really > addressing why people continue to kill under the name of Islam. Islam is not > the only religion in the world, thus, why do we continue to see folks kill > "for Islam"? Just unbelievable! > > Joe > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:49:24 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: A Somalian Beheaded . > To: [log in to unmask] > > This is nothing more than a bunch of evil monsters giving expression to > their demonic nature. Islam certainly does not sanction such heartless > cruelty. May Allah bless the soul of this victim of evil. > > Baba > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:47:27 -0800 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: A Somalian Beheaded . > To: [log in to unmask] > > Hi all , > I came across this gruesome beheading video of a Somali Muslim who > converted to Christianity. Please click on the link or the attachment below > to see the graphical content. 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