Joe,
 
Don't you think you're taking this tantrum a bit too far???? I read what  
Owens shared and I read what Kejau shared. You look at the two of them 
yourself.  Do you see much if any difference between their two pleadings????????
 
You must understand that when you are in conflict with another fellow  
citizen, you will necessarily see things through your own fuzzy prism. You  
cannot be so sure Owens and any other who intervenes to calm waters will see it  
the way you do. No matter how confident you are of your own sanctity. Just 
think  of it this way: Maybe Owens saw it as tribalism from both sides, one 
side or the  other, or NOT as tribalism but merely garrulous gaucherie and  
old-score-settling. Now if Owens chides Suntou or Haruna as tribalist 
(highly  subjective) he would not have achieved his goal of calming rough seas and 
 staying above the fray. I mean this world is not built on chatter and 
animus  ad-infinitum. Pelnty of folk came before you and plenty will come after 
you.  You're not terribly significant in case it hadn't hit you thusly yet. 
What  value would Owens have served if he says for example: Suntou- Stop 
your  tribalism or Joe, stop your tribalism????? An opinion that is highly  
subjective?? Surely you must think more highly of Owens than that Joe?? You 
have  disappointed me thoroughly Joe. Its ok. Those who view it as the 
tribalism of  one or the other will still hold that view. Take solace in the 
presence among us  of dervishes.
 
Jees. If I didn't know better I'd say you're drunk. And I didn't supply it  
to you.
 
Men.
Haruna. 
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2011 2:46:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:

Sanusi,  I would hope that you will not want folks to walk away questioning 
your  honesty.  With what you have seen thus far, can you honestly be 
general  in your comments in the face of what you have read and heard on the 
airwaves?  If you have difficulty addressing this bunch because you share a 
party,  I can understand.  What I do not understand is you seeing what all see,  
but choose to unduly spread blame.  Can you honestly say you do not see  
the tribalism that folks are discussing, especially, in light of what  
transpired within the last week of so?  I think you know me better than  you want 
to portray.  


Joe

 
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:34:55 +0000
From:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Opposition defection and those claiming  they are dead.. what 
is your role? Falaye in mind
To:  [log in to unmask]

Kejaw 
 
If this is the way we behave whilst in opposition then surely the  people 
are right to vote for Jammeh until he reaches 100 years. The  current 
situation in the Gambia calls for a sincere and mature  discourse, but off late, I 
am absolutely disappointed with the route  these guys have undertaken. 
 
The battle will not be won by trading insults among each other. It  
requires a honest analysis of the current predicament facing our  motherland. 
 
Respect to all you, lets stay united for a genuine course
 
Alsaamaday 
 
Sanusi 

--- On Thu, 27/1/11, Kejau Touray  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



From:  Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Opposition  defection and those claiming they are dead.. what 
is your role? Falaye  in mind
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 27  January, 2011, 19:24

 Come on guys! You all seem to be missing the points! One of them being  
how do we transcend our apparently inherent differences and forge  alliances. 
What are we all missing guys, why can we never unite and  organise as a 
struggle? How comes we are always fighting amongst  ourselves everyday? How can 
we forget the giant of tasks before us in  trying to restore democracy and 
rule of law in our country?   



Kejau :-(






 
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:12:06 +0000
From:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Opposition defection and those  claiming they are dead.. what 
is your role? Falaye in mind
To:  [log in to unmask]

Come on Suntou!  You are a tribal and religious bigot and you  have good 
company with you and please save me from your hypocrisy of  being sorry.  
Sorry my foot!  You must elaborate on what you  know about Mr. Sambou for your 
readership.  If he were alive, I  will leave him to fend for himself.  
However, since he is not  here to defend himself, I will speak for him, leaving 
nothing as  sacred.  Also, please do not make a boldface lie here.  You  do 
not know Mr. Sambou, but the lie you were fed that is why you could  not 
elaborate.  I am also going beyond the contours of your lie  to address the 
tribal nature of your pac.  This is why I  sometimes seriously ponder whether if 
per chance Yaya was a Mandingo,  whether your gang will have an issue with 
him, murders and all.     


Suntou, you folks are sick. Everything is about tribe.  Your  Gang fought 
the STGDP for years and labeled it biased against the  UDP/Ousainou, called 
Kebba and Musa tribalists against Mandingoes, but  no sooner did we have 
Banka as the Chairman did you folks have a  Jambadong all over this place 
congratulating the STGDP.  What you  did not realize is you never bothered to know 
who Banka is and what he  stands for.  You have since realized that Banka's 
vision for  Gambia and our struggle is not in league with your tribal 
sickness.  It is also interesting that with Hamat's separation, you are now  
embarked on cleaning house and ready to cannibalize on non-Mandingoes  within 
the diaspora UDP chapters.  Folks are aware what what went  on within the UDP 
with Sahou Mballow.  I bring these anecdotes up  to show folks you all's 
track record.  At a time when Gambians  are supposed to address our murderer in 
Yaya, you jackasses are here  waging a war hinged on sickness.  All you are 
demonstrating to  Gambians is that you folks are not fit to lead any.  You 
are  doing a darn good job convincing Gambians that you have nothing to  
offer them.  The sad thing is your sickness is so deep that you  do not bother 
to be subtle about it.  What do we see here daily,  the same crop to prowl 
here, rabid and sick to spread your tribal  disease.  


I feel the pain of many Mandingoes that do not share your  neurosis but are 
put in a funny position because of an accident in the  tribe they happen 
share with you.  To those folks, I am here to  assure you that no Gambian with 
an ounce of sense will devalue your  contributions in our struggle and we 
know where your heart lies.  You are also not responsible for the sickness 
demonstrated by  this bunch no more than I am responsible for the murderer in 
Yaya.  The only way Gambians can get rid of our murderer is to  transcend 
tribalism.  To Yaya, every Gambian is just an  opportunity or victim for him 
to stay on and he will cannibalize on  the Jola, just as he will do the 
Mandingo, Wolof, Fula, Ndjago, Serer,  Narr, etc. to achieve his end.  Suntou, 
you folks are a disgrace  to the challenges of our people.  


Joe

 
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:49:36 +0000
From:  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Opposition defection and those  claiming they are dead.. what 
is your role? Falaye in mind
To:  [log in to unmask]

Mr Sambou
Sorry if my statement  that, his 'Christian' name bothered you.  In England 
such is use  to identify people's  first name. The nurse at Dentist clinic  
nurse never fail to ask me my Christian name Joe. But then, Joe is  glad to 
shift that as some religious issue. 

Go on, Mr Sambou  formerly of PDOIS, did you know him? Didn't it occur to 
you that, I  may have forgotten his first name? I am not bothered about your  
agitations Joe. If you are the vanguard for the Sambou's that is ok. A  
couple of people have emailed me his first name but to enjoy your  rant, I will 
continue to leave it out.
The late Mr Sambou was a  happy APRC member. May his soul rest in peace.
Suntou

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:38  PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:

Suntou, thanks for your response and I am glad you are man  enough to add 
more details.  It is interesting that you  provided a first name for Darbo 
and Jones, but chose to use Mr. for  Sambou.  Please, stop the cover and 
exclude your Darbo from  this discussion.  I know you lot better.  Also, your 
world  view is wrapped around religious and tribal demagoguery, thus, your  
hallucination will drive you to see "My Christianity".  Suntou,  I do not just 
hear a crackle and conclude the sky is falling.  Thus, I sought your 
clarification.  


Now, the Mr. Sambou you referenced is my elder brother and not  my uncle 
(so much for knowing a person), and I know you do not know  his name because 
you actually do not know the man outside what you  were fed.  His name is 
Louis Sambou, but commonly called Pa  Sambou.  Now, please do not let any stone 
unturned, for you  must tell your readership what you know about "Mr. 
Sambou", no  matter how ugly, in the interest of truth in discussion.  Anything 
less will be fraudulent on your part, especially as  you float around here, 
beard and all, as the most holy and Allah  loving.  The good thing here is 
there are countless here that  know the same person you are trying to 
character assassinate and  they can vouch for you.  


Yes, he was not only with PDOIS, but he was with the Voice of  the Future 
and taught hundreds of adults to read and write at night,  free of charge 
dating back to the early 70s.  I will also help  you with a time line as you 
gather your dirt.  Mr. Sambou died  in March 1999 and Yaya came to power on 
July 22, 1994.
 


"This Mr Sambou commented of Halifa dietery habits, his love of  yogurt was 
name among brother Sallah delicacy. Isn't that enough  clues Uncle Joe. May 
his soul rest in peace. Ameen."



Suntou, if you want to say something to Halifa, just say it.  You do not 
have to manufacture lies here.  How can you in  good conscience stand here and 
tell this lie just because you can?  What do you know about Mr. Sambou's 
separation from PDOIS and  how do you equate it with Rambo's separation from 
the UDP?  While at it , please educate your readership on the nature of  Mr. 
Sambou's separation from PDOIS.  That would enhance your  credibility as you 
tell your story.


Suntou, you have an internal demon that is killing you.  Just to provide 
cover for Rambo's defection, you will throw  around all kinds of filth.  Just 
look at you folks.  For  anyone that doubted your tribal tendencies, they 
will have no  recourse but to acknowledge your tribal neurosis.  I figured  
out you folks a long time ago, thus, I alerted Gambians to your ways  and now 
you are at full trottle.  Waedy, Gis Mba Dega Borkucha!  The moment Musa 
Jeng said what you all wanted to hear, he is  your darling, but at a flit you 
will not spare the kitchen sink to  cannibalize him at the slightest hint he 
say a word you do not like  about Darbo.  This is sickness folks.  I 
careless who  joins Yaya for we have passed the conversation regarding a coalition  
and Gambians are looking ahead of 2011.  The more you folks  fight against 
any on a tribal basis, the more you show your cancer.  You are like a pac of 
rabid dogs.  How come everyone that  responds with you all happen to be 
Mandingo?  Who is among the  UDP UK or USA that is vocal among the UDP that is 
non-Mandingo?  Not a sole.  How likely is it that as tribally diverse as  
Gambian society is, that all of you that come to howl here about the  UDP are 
all Mandingoes?  You all want a discussion, we will  have a discussion.  It 
appears that you folks are loosing your  heads and the group neurosis you 
have displayed and continue to  display gave Gambians pause as to who they are 
dealing with.  I  will ignore you bunch until you throw your filth my way.  
So  yes, we are going to have a discussion and we will not leave stone  
unturned.


Joe

 
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:11:35 +0000  
 


From: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 
Subject:  Re: Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what 
is  your role? Falaye in mind
To: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 

Yanks
This  is hilarious. I never thought the omission one Sambou clan will  
cause Uncle Joe to jack his chin for the Christian name, is Joe the  watchdog of 
every Sambou family name. 
I may have exaggerated Joe  knowledge of Gambian politics, if not he of all 
people should have  known which Mr Sambou cross carpet to APRC from PDOIS 
with David  Jones who once contested as a candidate for Banjul. Wasn't that 
Mr  Sambou among the early founding members of PDOIS? I want Joe to ably  
connect the dots. Sorry for the agony, no one brought your queries  to my 
attention it seems.
This Mr Sambou commented of Halifa  dietery habits, his love of yogurt was 
name among brother Sallah  delicacy. Isn't that enough clues Uncle Joe. May 
his soul rest in  peace. Ameen.
Suntou

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Yanks Darboe <[log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:

Joe

Old pa why are you asking that  question when you bloody well know the 
answer to that  question.

Its one of  your cousins, don't let me spell his name for  
you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nemesis  Yanks

 
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:04:17 -0600
From: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 
Subject:  FW: Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what  
is your role? Falaye in mind
 


To: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 

Suntou, this  is a second attempt to seek clarification as to the Mr. 
Sambou you  referenced below.  


Thanks


Joe

 
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From: [log in to unmask] 
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To: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 
Subject: RE:  Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what 
is  your role? Falaye in mind
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:47:59  -0600

Suntou, someone alerted me to your mail regarding  your reference to a Mr. 
Sambou as a bad apple.  Since my last  name is Sambou, I was just wondering 
the Mr. Sambou you are  referring to (his first name).

"Sulayman Darboe, Mr Sambou  and some others are perfect examples of bad 
apples who can't stand  the heat."

Thanks

Joe



 
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:55:14 +0000
From: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 
Subject:  Re: Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what  
is your role? Falaye in mind
To: [log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) 

Badou
A week is a long time in politics and talking about unity,  Falaye is aware 
of things happening under his nose, hence zip it  on that. We have enough 
weekly Tele conference with every  serious UDP member in Diaspora every 
Saturday for two to three  hours.
Whoever have a serious issue to discuss, the platform is  there adequately. 
However, you don't have to claim you are PDOIS  or APRC. I understand some 
can sit tightly on the fence and wish  for a level playing field devoid of 
harassment, human rights  abuses, equal access to TV, Radio and a free press 
etc without  being part of any political group. This is possible and I know  
brothers who are working toward such goal. I have attended demos  with some 
of this folks.
However, you cannot curtail any discussion here or any where  in the cyber 
space. Referring to Rambo's conduct can include all  those who did what he 
just copy. His predecessors are many and  there will be others. It is the 
reality of dictatorship.
This is prevalent in Sudan, Algeria, Syria, The South  Americas and Africa. 
Even in Europe people cross carpet, however,  for those, they do it with 
good intentions, not knowingly join a  criminal organisation that at best 
operate a shadow  government.
 
Sulayman Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others are perfect  examples of bad 
apples who can't stand the heat. Falaye on the  hand is destructive and 
countering the efforts of his so-call  party. If he is not satisfy with the party's 
choice of candidate,  doesn't he know what he should have done? Genuine 
Democrat who  oppose Obama during the primaries rally round him after his  
selection. You try to work out things inside your camp. Do I think  that, you 
will find any problem with his double standard  misninforation, I don't think 
so.
There is no need to create a false myriad. Falaye should air  his 
grievances directly to the UDP executives, UDP able  youth leaders, MPs, Yayai 
Compins, etc. He may influence things  through that.
I careless what you have to say about the UDP. I have no  problem with the 
criticism of those who are not calling themselves  UDP members. But you 
don't build a house and slowly start setting  fire to it. I have listened to 
Falaye on a couple of occasion,  sometimes I thought Pa doesn't have any other 
independent voice to  speak with about the UDP instead of the duo who are 
seriously  disconnected with current affairs of the party. 
No wonder Sedia and Halifa said, we "youths in Diaspora know  nothing about 
the situations on the ground." Their assertions  that, we criticise them 
without lending any form of support is  true. Obama raises his campaign funds 
from ordinary people and  donors. Who is donating to counter the Yahya 
Jammeh free bank? How  many Gambians will decline a D50,000 when offered on  
political grounds? Come on, who will? Let alone when the amount is  in hundreds 
of thousand.
Now, we in the opposition don't have any such money, but we  can at least 
fuel our vehicles, visit supporters country wide,  attend their ceremonies, 
talk to them. This is the slow process  that can counter Yahya. Gambians are 
not militant in a serious  way. Calling for mass demonstration is a far 
fetch idea. Let us  speak with the opposition leaders, encourage them to visit  
voters, donate to PDOIS, UDP, NRP. The easy blame game is only  absolving us 
of involvement, yet when folks who spend their own  resources, sacrifice it 
all for change commence to be corrupt we  renew another line of attack.
Gambians can't have their cake and eat. Ghana,  Nigeria have companies now 
that can do the Europe-America  political donations, we don't. South African 
has businesses that  donate heavily to political parties, we don't. The few 
 individual donations are not enough to counter Jammeh's long  hands. We 
all see him shamelessly handing raw cash on TV. Is  this kind of politics new? 
Hell no. PPP big wigs use to do it,  Jammeh took it to a higher level, with 
maximum exposure. Then it  use to be bags of rice, few hundreds.
Let us continue blaming the opposition, it will bring  miracles. Yes, they 
need to be reminded of the urgency we are all  facing. But what is your part 
in it. You don't even have to  back any opposition by name, just scramble 
for votes for them in  your own way. The military are enjoying for now. Can 
we depend on  them to rid us of Yahya, it is a wait and see. How of them do 
we  have with us in Diaspora and how many have we ever heard making  plans to 
do the revolution for us? God is our saving grace, He is  always with us, 
and him Him let us depend and do our quorter.  Thanks
Suntou


On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Banura Samba <[log in to unmask] 
(http:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:


Suntou,  I think you need some background information before jumping into  
conclusion that I am a PDOIS supporter. I have no idea what you  talking 
about. I think you are talking out of  paranoia and  confirmation bias.Talking 
about Sulayman Darboe's defection to  APRC is not the issue here, we talking 
about Rambo. I think we  should be looking for solutions to avoid future 
defections of  our party militants than picking bones with other  people.

I think you need to do your home work very  well  before jumping into 
slippery conclusions who belongs  to UDP or PDOIS.  From your statement below I 
came to  understand that you are new in UDP if not you would have known  the 
immense contribution Falaye did for the UDP party as a  whole.  I think you 
, as you claimed yourself as the UDP  coordinator  in UK should have engaged 
yourself  with  unification process  than dividing people. As a  party  or 
individual aspiring to lead our nation , you must be ready to  be patient, 
tolerant, apologetic and above all accommodating all  types of innuendos. 
Veritably,  you are looking for  peoples' support and people are not looking 
for your support.  Falaye, I know since the hay days of  1996 is  without 
qualm a die-heart supporter of UDP. I have witness this  with my eye, as recent 
as 2009 Falaye have hosted and organized  a meeting  for  UDP  in  New york. 
So what  are you talking about here, brother?    



 
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To: [log in to unmask] 
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Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011  5:41:23 AM  

Subject:  Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is  
your role? Falaye in mind




Haruna
I thought each of the opposition parties and the ruling  APRC has witness 
cross carpeters over the years. Hence Badou is  miss informed on his party's 
cross carpeted folks. I can  recall Sulayman Darboe, a young candidate for 
PDOIS  who rented in our home and then deflected to APRC, One Mr  Sambou who 
left PDOIS even went on to reveal Halifa's  eating habits. 
Rambo with all due respect was chosen as the youth  leader as a gesture to 
his suffering and the outward  potentials he demonstrated. 
The party was alerted by a good member in Bakau on Rambo's  shortermism 
agenda. He was monitored and sidelined. Our Youth  leaders have toured the 
country twice without him.
He never toured with the youth leaders, hence we were  prepared for his 
actions.
It is sad to see his short term ambitions get ahead of his  sound 
reasoning. However, Rambo whatever compel  him to join the slow killer of sick HIV 
victims, shall  surface clearly later.
 
This brings me to the frequent chat on Freedom radio by a  guys call Falaye 
Baldeh. This man is calling himself a UDP  supporter whilst he knows he is 
not. His assume commentator  title on Gambian politics is fair game but let 
him be  honest and call him what he is.
Serious supporters of UDP advise the party through the  internal mechanism. 
Falaye will not divulge on his marital woes  in the open, he will not 
relate his short coming in the  opening, why does he think calling himself a UDP 
supporter and  never hesitating to say rubbish will do?
If he is so militant, what stops him traveling to  Gambia, mobilising the 
supporters and youths and face Jammeh?  
What money does the opposition have that Falaye is talking  about? We know 
who is pushing him with the pretentious blah  blah. Politics like all human 
relations goes through ups and  downs, but to hide behind friendly lines 
whilst being an enemy  is the lowest case of evil manifestation. He is entitled 
to his  opinion, but please let him speak as non-UDP supporter, so that,  
his criticism will make sense, instead of taking serious  listeners for a 
fool. He has left trails and his  associate have also left trails. 
When did Falaye extended his hand of support to the  UDP?
When did Falaye wrote or spoke to the Executives on his  worries and 
suggestions?
 
If Falaye thinks that our opposition should invite Jammeh  to a street 
fight, I will expect him to travel and join in the  preparation of such a move. 
The oppositions can do with the support, encouragement,  criticism and 
presence of all those calling them dead. What  have you done to enliven the dead 
oppositions?
What suggestions have you demonstrated to tackle the  dictator with a gun, 
tank and foreigners ready to kill for him  and escape to the other side?
Instead of crying Woolf, be constructive, join the line,  fight. How much 
money did Obama get and spent to get to the  White House? You are unwilling 
to act and yet quick to blame.  How much support did Ouattara get financially 
to move around  Ivory Coast? People were ready to spend to make them 
travel.  Going on the streets on Banjul, Serrekunda can make a  difference, but 
politically, how do you expect the opposition to  fund their campaigns well 
before elections. Western Democracies  have state funding, yet we want 
democracy but not with our  direct involvement. Your advise is as good as your 
loyalty and  dedication to assist, then you can blame.
 
Falaye is pretending on the Freedom radio. His crocodile  tears makes no 
sense. The UDP allows, encourage constructive  criticism by its members, 
channel through the party hierarchy.  If the likes of Falaye are not helping 
strengthen the base of  the oppositions, that have no access to the radio, 
Television,  money, and hardly any editor will publish critical comments  about 
the regime, what help do such an opposition require? 
Gambia is not the property of any opposition politician,  hence those 
unhappy are welcome to form their warrior party and  lead the charge, hopefully, 
our hunt for martyrs will  happily come to pass. In Tunis, people were ready 
to act, they  didn't just sit in far places enjoying the niceties and 
continue  saying things, they went out. With or without the opposition, it  is a 
fact that, people can act. What are Gambians waiting  for? You can be the 
martyr if you chose, we will happily  inscribe you on our chest. Come out 
guys!!!
 
This is not to say, their are no rooms for  improvement, however, do your 
quoter as well. Everyone needs  some form of encouragement in dealing with 
difficult political  climate. Partisans will obvious be critical of each 
other, but  members within the same party require a civilise constructive  
internal process of dealing with grievances not the Judaising  form of 
retributions. What our tongues twist, our hearts  manifest.
Suntou




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difference of your languages and colours. Verily,  in that are indeed signs for 
men of sound knowledge."  Qu'ran

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