Joe
With the greatest respect, I am more concern about the big
picture. I never thought my positing was meant to disarm
you. My posting was a call for truce but if you do not consider
it necessary then you are more than welcome to go ahead. One
thing to note is that we are all losers in this episode
As regards to the point about your brother, I have always known
him as an honorable man. I last saw him in 1988 when PDOIS had one of
its political rally next to the Latrikunda Mosque. Given the
type of man Pa Sambou was, I doubt whether he will make such
bizarre remark about his colleague Halifa. You are right, I made
no mention of him, but the rationale behind this is that
I was very much concern about the BIGGER PICTURE- 10 months
to go and the Silent Majority cannot come to an agreement as to how
Jammeh should be defeated
.
Finally, it was nice to note that you remember the days I used to
hang at your place. It certainly reminds me of good memories which I
will continue to cherish.
Date:
Thursday, 27 January, 2011, 20:14
Joey, I think you know exactly what I am saying and you know me
better than that. For you to come here to pretend that you
being Krio means UDP UK is not demonstrating tribalism is putting
your integrity at stake if it is of any value to you. This has
nothing to do with being personate, and your supposition to that
effect is even an assault to my sensibilities. When Suntou made that
stupid comment about Pa that you knew to be a blatant lie, did you
interject? No, you were mute. In the interest of
disclosure, Sanusi/Joey was a frequent visitor at my home in Gambia
and hung with one of my nephews and knows very well the person
Suntou is character assassinating, yet, he stayed mute, but find it
convenient to accord blame for my response. Nai Lerr rek, that
is all I ask of any. If you cannot tame your associates,
please do not come here to attempt to disarm. I am not in the
mood for that.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:59:19 +0000 From: [log in to unmask]Subject:
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Joe
I am only making a call for us to put a stop to this
unnecessay squabbling. I for one will never question your
sincerity in the struggle. Whilst, we belong to different
parties within the opposition, we share a common goal.
Coming to the issues you have raised, I find it really
unfortunate that this is the route we have taken. What I can
say is that people tend to be passionate about their political
affiliation to the point that a mere change of distraction may
be considered tribalist, but this is certainly not the case.
Please note that I am a Krio Boy but this does not stop me
from supporting UDP even it is wrongly perceived as a Mandinga
Based Party.
If I have not clarified myself, then I am more happy to
elaborate further. --- On Thu, 27/1/11, Joe Joe
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From:
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Re: Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead..
what is your role? Falaye in mind To: [log in to unmask] Date:
Thursday, 27 January, 2011, 19:46
Sanusi, I would hope that you will not want folks to
walk away questioning your honesty. With what you have
seen thus far, can you honestly be general in your comments
in the face of what you have read and heard on the airwaves?
If you have difficulty addressing this bunch because
you share a party, I can understand. What I do not
understand is you seeing what all see, but choose to unduly
spread blame. Can you honestly say you do not see the
tribalism that folks are discussing, especially, in light of
what transpired within the last week of so? I think
you know me better than you want to portray.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:34:55 +0000 From: [log in to unmask]Subject:
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what is your role? Falaye in mind To: [log in to unmask]
Kejaw
If this is the way we behave whilst in opposition
then surely the people are right to vote for Jammeh
until he reaches 100 years. The current situation in
the Gambia calls for a sincere and mature discourse,
but off late, I am absolutely disappointed with the
route these guys have undertaken.
The battle will not be won by trading insults
among each other. It requires a honest analysis of the
current predicament facing our motherland.
Respect to all you, lets stay united for a
genuine course
Alsaamaday
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dead.. what is your role? Falaye in mind To: [log in to unmask] Date:
Thursday, 27 January, 2011, 19:24
Come on guys! You all seem to be missing the
points! One of them being how do we transcend our
apparently inherent differences and forge alliances.
What are we all missing guys, why can we never unite
and organise as a struggle? How comes we are always
fighting amongst ourselves everyday? How can we
forget the giant of tasks before us in trying to
restore democracy and rule of law in our
country?
Kejau :-(
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:12:06 +0000 From: [log in to unmask]Subject:
Re: Opposition defection and those claiming they are
dead.. what is your role? Falaye in mind To: [log in to unmask]Come
on Suntou! You are a tribal and religious
bigot and you have good company with you and please
save me from your hypocrisy of being sorry.
Sorry my foot! You must elaborate on
what you know about Mr. Sambou for your readership.
If he were alive, I will leave him to fend for
himself. However, since he is not here to
defend himself, I will speak for him, leaving
nothing as sacred. Also, please do not make a
boldface lie here. You do not know Mr. Sambou,
but the lie you were fed that is why you could not
elaborate. I am also going beyond the contours
of your lie to address the tribal nature of your
pac. This is why I sometimes seriously ponder
whether if per chance Yaya was a Mandingo, whether
your gang will have an issue with him, murders and
all.
Suntou, you folks are sick. Everything is about
tribe. Your Gang fought the STGDP for years
and labeled it biased against the UDP/Ousainou,
called Kebba and Musa tribalists against Mandingoes,
but no sooner did we have Banka as the Chairman did
you folks have a Jambadong all over this place
congratulating the STGDP. What you did not
realize is you never bothered to know who Banka is
and what he stands for. You have since
realized that Banka's vision for Gambia and our
struggle is not in league with your tribal sickness.
It is also interesting that with Hamat's
separation, you are now embarked on cleaning house
and ready to cannibalize on non-Mandingoes within
the diaspora UDP chapters. Folks are aware
what what went on within the UDP with Sahou Mballow.
I bring these anecdotes up to show folks you
all's track record. At a time when Gambians
are supposed to address our murderer in Yaya, you
jackasses are here waging a war hinged on sickness.
All you are demonstrating to Gambians is that
you folks are not fit to lead any. You are
doing a darn good job convincing Gambians that you
have nothing to offer them. The sad thing is
your sickness is so deep that you do not bother to
be subtle about it. What do we see here daily,
the same crop to prowl here, rabid and sick to
spread your tribal disease.
I feel the pain of many Mandingoes that do not
share your neurosis but are put in a funny position
because of an accident in the tribe they happen
share with you. To those folks, I am here to
assure you that no Gambian with an ounce of sense
will devalue your contributions in our struggle and
we know where your heart lies. You are also
not responsible for the sickness demonstrated by
this bunch no more than I am responsible for the
murderer in Yaya. The only way Gambians can
get rid of our murderer is to transcend tribalism.
To Yaya, every Gambian is just an opportunity
or victim for him to stay on and he will cannibalize
on the Jola, just as he will do the Mandingo, Wolof,
Fula, Ndjago, Serer, Narr, etc. to achieve his end.
Suntou, you folks are a disgrace to the
challenges of our people.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:49:36 +0000 From: [log in to unmask]Subject:
Re: Opposition defection and those claiming they are
dead.. what is your role? Falaye in mind To: [log in to unmask]Mr
Sambou Sorry if my statement that, his
'Christian' name bothered you. In England such
is use to identify people's first name. The
nurse at Dentist clinic nurse never fail to ask me
my Christian name Joe. But then, Joe is glad to
shift that as some religious issue. Go on,
Mr Sambou formerly of PDOIS, did you know him?
Didn't it occur to you that, I may have forgotten
his first name? I am not bothered about your
agitations Joe. If you are the vanguard for the
Sambou's that is ok. A couple of people have emailed
me his first name but to enjoy your rant, I will
continue to leave it out. The late Mr Sambou was
a happy APRC member. May his soul rest in
peace. Suntou
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Suntou, thanks for your response and I am
glad you are man enough to add more details.
It is interesting that you provided a first
name for Darbo and Jones, but chose to use Mr. for
Sambou. Please, stop the cover and exclude
your Darbo from this discussion. I know you
lot better. Also, your world view is wrapped
around religious and tribal demagoguery, thus,
your hallucination will drive you to see "My
Christianity". Suntou, I do not just hear a
crackle and conclude the sky is falling.
Thus, I sought your clarification.
Now, the Mr. Sambou you referenced is my
elder brother and not my uncle (so much for
knowing a person), and I know you do not know his
name because you actually do not know the man
outside what you were fed. His name is Louis
Sambou, but commonly called Pa Sambou. Now,
please do not let any stone unturned, for you must
tell your readership what you know about "Mr.
Sambou", no matter how ugly, in the interest of
truth in discussion. Anything less will be
fraudulent on your part, especially as you float
around here, beard and all, as the most holy and
Allah loving. The good thing here is there
are countless here that know the same person you
are trying to character assassinate and they can
vouch for you.
Yes, he was not only with PDOIS, but he was
with the Voice of the Future and taught hundreds
of adults to read and write at night, free of
charge dating back to the early 70s. I will
also help you with a time line as you gather your
dirt. Mr. Sambou died in March 1999 and Yaya
came to power on July 22, 1994.
"This Mr Sambou commented of Halifa dietery
habits, his love of yogurt was name among brother
Sallah delicacy. Isn't that enough clues Uncle
Joe. May his soul rest in peace. Ameen."
Suntou, if you want to say something to
Halifa, just say it. You do not have to
manufacture lies here. How can you in good
conscience stand here and tell this lie just
because you can? What do you know about Mr.
Sambou's separation from PDOIS and how do you
equate it with Rambo's separation from the UDP?
While at it , please educate your readership
on the nature of Mr. Sambou's separation from
PDOIS. That would enhance your credibility
as you tell your story.
Suntou, you have an internal demon that is
killing you. Just to provide cover for
Rambo's defection, you will throw around all kinds
of filth. Just look at you folks. For
anyone that doubted your tribal tendencies, they
will have no recourse but to acknowledge your
tribal neurosis. I figured out you folks a
long time ago, thus, I alerted Gambians to your
ways and now you are at full trottle. Waedy,
Gis Mba Dega Borkucha! The moment Musa Jeng
said what you all wanted to hear, he is your
darling, but at a flit you will not spare the
kitchen sink to cannibalize him at the slightest
hint he say a word you do not like about Darbo.
This is sickness folks. I careless who
joins Yaya for we have passed the conversation
regarding a coalition and Gambians are looking
ahead of 2011. The more you folks fight
against any on a tribal basis, the more you show
your cancer. You are like a pac of rabid dogs.
How come everyone that responds with you all
happen to be Mandingo? Who is among the UDP
UK or USA that is vocal among the UDP that is
non-Mandingo? Not a sole. How likely
is it that as tribally diverse as Gambian society
is, that all of you that come to howl here about
the UDP are all Mandingoes? You all want a
discussion, we will have a discussion. It
appears that you folks are loosing your heads and
the group neurosis you have displayed and continue
to display gave Gambians pause as to who they are
dealing with. I will ignore you bunch until
you throw your filth my way. So yes, we are
going to have a discussion and we will not leave
stone unturned.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:11:35 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
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mind To: [log in to unmask]
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is hilarious. I never thought the omission one
Sambou clan will cause Uncle Joe to jack his chin
for the Christian name, is Joe the watchdog of
every Sambou family name. I may have
exaggerated Joe knowledge of Gambian politics, if
not he of all people should have known which Mr
Sambou cross carpet to APRC from PDOIS with David
Jones who once contested as a candidate for
Banjul. Wasn't that Mr Sambou among the early
founding members of PDOIS? I want Joe to ably
connect the dots. Sorry for the agony, no one
brought your queries to my attention it
seems. This Mr Sambou commented of Halifa
dietery habits, his love of yogurt was name among
brother Sallah delicacy. Isn't that enough clues
Uncle Joe. May his soul rest in peace.
Ameen. Suntou
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Joe
Old pa why are you asking that question
when you bloody well know the answer to that
question.
Its one of your cousins, don't let me
spell his name for
you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nemesis
Yanks
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this is a second attempt to seek clarification
as to the Mr. Sambou you referenced below.
Thanks
Joe
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mind Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:47:59
-0600 Suntou, someone alerted me to your
mail regarding your reference to a Mr. Sambou as
a bad apple. Since my last name is Sambou,
I was just wondering the Mr. Sambou you are
referring to (his first name). "Sulayman
Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others are perfect
examples of bad apples who can't stand the
heat." Thanks Joe
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:55:14 +0000 From:
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Badou
A week is a long time in politics and
talking about unity, Falaye is aware of things
happening under his nose, hence zip it on that.
We have enough weekly Tele conference with
every serious UDP member in Diaspora every
Saturday for two to three hours.
Whoever have a serious issue to discuss,
the platform is there adequately. However, you
don't have to claim you are PDOIS or APRC. I
understand some can sit tightly on the fence and
wish for a level playing field devoid of
harassment, human rights abuses, equal access to
TV, Radio and a free press etc without being
part of any political group. This is possible
and I know brothers who are working toward such
goal. I have attended demos with some of this
folks.
However, you cannot curtail any discussion
here or any where in the cyber space. Referring
to Rambo's conduct can include all those who did
what he just copy. His predecessors are many and
there will be others. It is the reality of
dictatorship.
This is prevalent in Sudan, Algeria, Syria,
The South Americas and Africa. Even in Europe
people cross carpet, however, for those, they do
it with good intentions, not knowingly join a
criminal organisation that at best operate a
shadow government.
Sulayman Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others
are perfect examples of bad apples who can't
stand the heat. Falaye on the hand is
destructive and countering the efforts of his
so-call party. If he is not satisfy with the
party's choice of candidate, doesn't he know
what he should have done? Genuine Democrat who
oppose Obama during the primaries rally round
him after his selection. You try to work
out things inside your camp. Do I think that,
you will find any problem with his double
standard misninforation, I don't think so.
There is no need to create a false myriad.
Falaye should air his grievances directly to
the UDP executives, UDP able youth
leaders, MPs, Yayai Compins, etc. He may
influence things through that.
I careless what you have to say about the
UDP. I have no problem with the criticism of
those who are not calling themselves UDP
members. But you don't build a house and slowly
start setting fire to it. I have listened to
Falaye on a couple of occasion, sometimes I
thought Pa doesn't have any other independent
voice to speak with about the UDP instead of the
duo who are seriously disconnected with current
affairs of the party.
No wonder Sedia and Halifa said, we "youths
in Diaspora know nothing about the situations on
the ground." Their assertions that, we criticise
them without lending any form of support is
true. Obama raises his campaign funds from
ordinary people and donors. Who is donating to
counter the Yahya Jammeh free bank? How many
Gambians will decline a D50,000 when
offered on political grounds? Come on, who will?
Let alone when the amount is in hundreds of
thousand.
Now, we in the opposition don't have any
such money, but we can at least fuel our
vehicles, visit supporters country wide, attend
their ceremonies, talk to them. This is the slow
process that can counter Yahya. Gambians are not
militant in a serious way. Calling for mass
demonstration is a far fetch idea. Let us speak
with the opposition leaders, encourage
them to visit voters, donate to PDOIS, UDP,
NRP. The easy blame game is only absolving us of
involvement, yet when folks who spend their own
resources, sacrifice it all for change commence
to be corrupt we renew another line of
attack.
Gambians can't have their cake and eat.
Ghana, Nigeria have companies now that can
do the Europe-America political donations, we
don't. South African has businesses that donate
heavily to political parties, we don't.
The few individual donations are not enough
to counter Jammeh's long hands. We all see him
shamelessly handing raw cash on TV. Is this
kind of politics new? Hell no. PPP big wigs use
to do it, Jammeh took it to a higher level, with
maximum exposure. Then it use to be bags of
rice, few hundreds.
Let us continue blaming the opposition, it
will bring miracles. Yes, they need to be
reminded of the urgency we are all facing. But
what is your part in it. You don't even
have to back any opposition by name, just
scramble for votes for them in your own way. The
military are enjoying for now. Can we depend on
them to rid us of Yahya, it is a wait and see.
How of them do we have with us in Diaspora and
how many have we ever heard making plans to do
the revolution for us? God is our saving grace,
He is always with us, and him Him let us depend
and do our quorter. Thanks
Suntou
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Suntou,
I think you need some background information
before jumping into conclusion that I am a PDOIS
supporter. I have no idea what you talking
about. I think you are talking out of
paranoia and confirmation bias.Talking about
Sulayman Darboe's defection to APRC is not the
issue here, we talking about Rambo. I think we
should be looking for solutions to avoid future
defections of our party militants than picking
bones with other people. I think you need
to do your home work very well before
jumping into slippery conclusions who belongs to
UDP or PDOIS. From your statement below I
came to understand that you are new in UDP if
not you would have known the immense
contribution Falaye did for the UDP party as a
whole. I think you , as you claimed
yourself as the UDP coordinator in UK
should have engaged yourself with
unification process than dividing people.
As a party or individual aspiring to lead
our nation , you must be ready to be patient,
tolerant, apologetic and above all accommodating
all types of innuendos. Veritably, you are
looking for peoples' support and people are not
looking for your support. Falaye, I know
since the hay days of 1996 is without
qualm a die-heart supporter of UDP. I have
witness this with my eye, as recent as 2009
Falaye have hosted and organized a meeting
for UDP in New york. So what
are you talking about here, brother?
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Opposition defection and those claiming they are
dead.. what is your role? Falaye in
mind
Haruna
I thought each of the opposition parties
and the ruling APRC has witness cross carpeters
over the years. Hence Badou is miss informed on
his party's cross carpeted folks. I can
recall Sulayman Darboe, a
young candidate for PDOIS who rented
in our home and then deflected to APRC, One Mr
Sambou who left PDOIS even went on to
reveal Halifa's eating habits.
Rambo with all due respect was chosen as
the youth leader as a gesture to his
suffering and the outward potentials he
demonstrated.
The party was alerted by a good member in
Bakau on Rambo's shortermism agenda. He was
monitored and sidelined. Our Youth leaders have
toured the country twice without him.
He never toured with the youth leaders,
hence we were prepared for his actions.
It is sad to see his short term ambitions
get ahead of his sound reasoning. However, Rambo
whatever compel him to join the slow
killer of sick HIV victims, shall surface
clearly later.
This brings me to the frequent chat on
Freedom radio by a guys call Falaye Baldeh. This
man is calling himself a UDP supporter whilst he
knows he is not. His assume commentator
title on Gambian politics is fair game but
let him be honest and call him what he
is.
Serious supporters of UDP advise the party
through the internal mechanism. Falaye will not
divulge on his marital woes in the open, he will
not relate his short coming in the opening,
why does he think calling himself a UDP
supporter and never hesitating to say rubbish
will do?
If he is so militant, what stops him
traveling to Gambia, mobilising the supporters
and youths and face Jammeh?
What money does the opposition have that
Falaye is talking about? We know who is pushing
him with the pretentious blah blah. Politics
like all human relations goes through ups and
downs, but to hide behind friendly lines whilst
being an enemy is the lowest case of evil
manifestation. He is entitled to his opinion,
but please let him speak as non-UDP supporter,
so that, his criticism will make sense, instead
of taking serious listeners for a fool. He has
left trails and his associate have also
left trails.
When did Falaye extended his hand of
support to the UDP?
When did Falaye wrote or spoke to the
Executives on his worries and suggestions?
If Falaye thinks that our opposition should
invite Jammeh to a street fight, I will expect
him to travel and join in the preparation of
such a move.
The oppositions can do with the support,
encouragement, criticism and presence of
all those calling them dead. What have you
done to enliven the dead oppositions?
What suggestions have you demonstrated to
tackle the dictator with a gun, tank and
foreigners ready to kill for him and escape to
the other side?
Instead of crying Woolf, be constructive,
join the line, fight. How much money did Obama
get and spent to get to the White House? You are
unwilling to act and yet quick to blame. How
much support did Ouattara get financially to
move around Ivory Coast? People were ready to
spend to make them travel. Going on the streets
on Banjul, Serrekunda can make a difference, but
politically, how do you expect the opposition to
fund their campaigns well before elections.
Western Democracies have state funding, yet we
want democracy but not with our direct
involvement. Your advise is as good as your
loyalty and dedication to assist, then you can
blame.
Falaye is pretending on the Freedom radio.
His crocodile tears makes no sense. The UDP
allows, encourage constructive criticism by its
members, channel through the party hierarchy. If
the likes of Falaye are not helping strengthen
the base of the oppositions, that have no access
to the radio, Television, money, and hardly
any editor will publish critical comments about
the regime, what help do such an opposition
require?
Gambia is not the property of any
opposition politician, hence those unhappy are
welcome to form their warrior party and lead
the charge, hopefully, our hunt for martyrs
will happily come to pass. In Tunis, people were
ready to act, they didn't just sit in far places
enjoying the niceties and continue saying
things, they went out. With or without the
opposition, it is a fact that, people can act.
What are Gambians waiting for? You can be
the martyr if you chose, we will happily
inscribe you on our chest. Come out
guys!!!
This is not to say, their are no rooms
for improvement, however, do your quoter as
well. Everyone needs some form of encouragement
in dealing with difficult political climate.
Partisans will obvious be critical of each
other, but members within the same party require
a civilise constructive internal process of
dealing with grievances not the Judaising form
of retributions. What our tongues twist, our
hearts manifest.
Suntou
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