I expected a Dirimo like you to surface. Now, how come all that come here ready to kill for Ousainou are all Mandinkas? How in hell do you say your outfit is diverse, yet, you cannot offer one single diverse anything in support of your nonsense? I am glad we are having this discussion. I know many readers will cringe because this should be taboo, but it will be discussed in full. I abhor tribalism from Yaya and I talk about it. So, why should it be sacred to point out your tribal outfit? UDP is the most diverse, yet, all including the main branch is mainly composed of one group running its affairs. I careless what UDP and PDOIS do, as long as both groups know that Gambians own Gambia and no damn Mansa mentality bunch. So, with all I have been saying about PDOIS, now I am PDOIS. While your type is on a tribal hype, Yaya has many of your tribesmen in his pocket. Thus, when you think you have a commitment with your clansmen in a secret handshake, you get stunned at the polls. They vote for the murderer that controls them. I hope you all pause for a moment to take stock at your ways. It is not good for any democracy. Democracy cannot thrive in a tribal environment. I ask you again Rashidiki, I want to see that diversity reflected here on-line. Even Yaya has Che and some Fana Fana in the diaspora. You all ran Mballow, Falai, and others away and now you are more homogeneous that ever. No, I will discuss Ousainou and if he does not like it then let him stop wanting to lead our affairs. How dare you folks think you own Gambia? The nonsense we are dealing with emanates from your mindset that Gambia should be led by a Mandinka. I will champion any Gambian qualified to lead us regardless of tribe, religion, or bloodline and that includes a Mandinka.
UDP will face a crossroad after November. Since Ousainou is so reckless to not understand the change Gambia needs, he will loose big and will not be eligible to run as President because of the age fix. I know the same bloodletting that you all shy away from in dealing with Yaya will be waged internally as to who will replace Ousainou, that is if Ousainou will want to step aside. The other test is, whether UDP will have a qualified non-Mandinka to lead them. The third is, whether your supporters who are convinced of Mandinka rule will entertain that diversity. Mark my words. PPP after Jawara are still leaderless. NCP the same. NDAM the same. Hamat will face the same soon. And if GMC uses the same formula, they will suffer the same consequence. PDOIS does not have that problem. What they have is a problem of what ever they thought about and articulate is golden and would die defending it. In the eyes of many Gambians, they are their own "Eleman". In 2000 when all advised them that they needed to coalesce, they insisted on going it alone and that they have the numbers and we saw what happened - a flop. Now we are at the same juncture and they are at it again, insisting on their way or the highway. Yet, they say "the masses are the makers of history". I guess that is as long as the masses accept what they tell them. They will discuss any issues with, but as long as you know if you disagree you will have to have a century to convince them of anything. Are they genuine? Without a doubt. Do they work with Gambians 16 hours a day, seven days of the week and the entire five years between elections? Not even you, Rashidiki can deny them that. They are running schools; have a newspaper; offer micro-loans to poor women; tutor students; sponsor students in need, etc. On top of that, they service Gambians regardless of tribe, religion, or party afiliation, only to find that even their beneficiaries will not vote for them, which is partly their fault. I say that because they are not good salespersons at highlighting their good deeds and to convince people. Their other handicap is our tribal politics, which no matter how much they do for Gambians, many of our people vote based on tribal instincts. So, the services that PDOIS performs are all micro functions that governments are engaged in at a macro level. Thus, if they should lead Gambia, there is no doubt we will be much better off.
Now, let's assess the 16 years of the UDP. Can you tell me or anyone what this MIGHTY group has done for Gambians all these sixteen years? They do none of the above and that is the truth and you should be embarrassed about that. They are only active in Gambian life not more than six complete months in five-year periods. You claim you are the biggest and the most diverse, what has the UDP done for Gambians aside from asking for their money and votes? Not a thing. They cannot even tell us what they stand for in their best day. The more you guys behave tribally, the more the rest of Gambia, including Mandingos , distance themselves from the UDP. That is the reason many of the UDP supporters on-line stay away from your ignorance. Rashidiki, I will continue to be right here to remind you that no one group owns Gambia and you all would be wasting your time trying to peddle that BS.
Joe
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:46:51 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
To: [log in to unmask]
Giuseppe and Olfactor,
It is funny reading you two crazies still mouthing off about the opposition parties of Gambia and Yahya.
The UDP is the largest party in the opposition commanding the most votes from all Gambia's citizens. Looking at the quality of UDP's following, you will discover that the UDP is graced by the most members of all Gambia's ethnicities than any other opposition party. You two dumbells can do the arithmetic yourselves. As far as diversity goes, this is how the opposition parties stack up:
(Diversity means the number each party commands in the constituent ethnicities of Gambia)
UDP
PDOIS
NRP
GMC
Yahya is bad for all Gambia. The reason why you latch onto the mirage that Yahya is bad only for UDP is because you understand the quality of UDP's gravitas. You ask PDOIS to "coalesce" but you don't want PDOIS to be guided by its supporters into your phantom coalescing. You sit here and run your stink mouths like you're scaring anyone. Folk are just repulsed by the stink of your shit. Go away!! And stay away! Be satisfied with the "people" you lead. We're not interested in your tantrums.
Haruna. What clueless idiots??
-----Original Message-----
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 4:13 am
Subject: Re: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
Joe,
Thanks for saying it as it is. No one is sacrificing anything for me especially politicians. What is going on seems like a calculated strategy of late to scare people from saying anything other than praising the UDP. This must be the greatest joke ever if these self-possessed self-adulating lot think they can bully anyone to do as they wish. If any politician from any political party be it PDOIS, UDP, GMC and the rest think that people owe them anything they must be out of their minds. If any wants to lord it over people they must be ready to hear what they have to say however insignificant that might be.
I have already doffed hat ready to roll and crawl with any lunatic thinking they have monopoly on being vulgar, profane or what have you. If any wish to start they are welcome. Only being unsubsribed will stop me if some crazed loony think insulting people is way to go.
Best,
Mboge
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Oh really! I think people around you must have given you the impression that you are all that and a bag or doritos. Just imagine an idiot like you with power in Gambia? Through you, I am really beginning to wonder about Ousainou and his capacity to lead a nation. If the UDP think they can let loose a jackass on the prowl unchecked, they are greatly mistaken. If you were mouthing off for Daffeh, you are a non-issue for you do not matter and no one ever heard of you until a bunch of bigots rallied around you. If this is how Ousainou manages his platform, then he is not fit to lead Gambia. He apparently does not have control for he allows kids to speak for him and expect Gambians to take him seriously. I hope someone does not come here lying about Ousainou sacrificing or putting his life on the line. Rather, it is those around him that are the ones being locked up, tortured, or even murdered. The reason people like Rambo got tired with his ass. It seems Yaya has more use for him in the streets than give him the Uwaa treatment. Yaya is very comfortable with Ousainou being around for he is no threat to Yaya. "We will bring peaceful change in the Gambia" my foot! Gambians, it is about time we tell these opposition leaders to go to hell. We should not beg any to do what the people demand. Ignore them and they will see how insignificant they are alone. Let us stop the pretense and cease this wishful thinking business. Folks, Yaya is more worried about you all out here telling his business than the opposition on the ground. Every elections they sell Gambians a bill of goods with, "the people are energized", "the people now see that Yaya is bad for them", "we have private understanding with the community leaders and we have their support", etc. Then all of a sudden it's elections, only to see a murderer and thief rig the vote right in front of their eyes, and instead of stopping the fraud on his tracks, they would kill us with useless analysis. To the PDOIS folk, if "Sovereignty lies in the people", then how come the people keep telling Sedia and Halifa to coalesce and they kept acting like their principles matter the most. Then we have UDP with this nonsense about being the biggest, when we all know that, that bigness is as tribal, as the Pashtunes (spelling). No, none will beg you again. Go on with the silliness. You will look ridiculous with your principles and tribal nonsense. Folks, as citizens, we should not have to coax any to be entrusted with leadership. As dire as our state is, the last thing we should entertain is mediocrity.
Joe
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 23:43:32 +0100
Subject: Re: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
I have no time for silly banters.
Cheers
Daffeh
On 18 May 2011 20:50, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mboge, people like Daffeh you do not try to reason with, but instead to meet them on all fours and if need be throw in elbows for them to recognize. "Sor Daegae Bulkor Torpa, Fangene Jem Sorewul". I do not let street dogs bug me and after you deal with them, they will recognize you from a mile. What Daffeh does in the name of the UDP says more about UDP than Daffeh. From Darbo down, they are all reading Daffeh and their silence to me means they are in agreement, thus, I loose no sleep not sparing the kitchen sink. I know you and Lamin are on the same page.
Joe
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:02:37 +0200
Subject: Re: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
LJD,
Thanks for your response, always appreciated. As you continuously allude in your write-ups democratic governance is achieved and sustained based on the struggle of citizens who are dedicated and ready to take the plunge to uphold their sacred, indivisible non-negotiable human rights entitled to them simply due to their intrinsic humanity.
Democracy building means also we are all required to deal with each other with respect, courtesy and decorum regardless of however difficult to deal with our convictions and political believes. We don't have to like each or even try to do so. I do not claim to be one of those who carry myself in my exchanges with others with decorum or courtesy for i carry my heart on my sleeve. I only represent myself and my opinions for i am not a member of any political movement but just a sympathiser when it comes to Gambian party politics of PDOIS. I am still wondering what powers PDOIS or Halifa possess to remote control anyone's thoughts or opinion. Don't think they have any to do so.
Now you say that no opposition outfit is capable of dislodging The Kanalai Thief and Butcher yet the opposition that claims to be the largest and want all to stand behind it are allowing their proxies to use the most unsavoury language on those they want to bring on board. The new strategy it seems coming from the UDP through its proxies is to intimidate and shout down any who coughs any kind of dissenting opinion on Darboe the politician and UDP politics. Do you think this will work.
I mean who the hell are these bunch who think they hold the monopoly of being rude and vulgar. Well, they must be mistaken, we can all wear the hat anyhow we like it when we feel like it.
When you critique PDOIS recently on the meeting with the UDP, i think it was genuine and has some merit (though i do not necessarily agree with what you said) but at least was inspired by your undiminished concern to ultimately seeing the opposition working together to dislodge the common menace Jammeh.
I do not see PDOIS's position as intransigent or inflexible but being careful of what they are being shouted at to get into given the recent history of the opposition coming together. Opposition alliances/coalitions in our region are fraud with the largest parties just wanting the smaller ones to support them to gain power only to be disappointments. I do not claim the UDP is likely to do as seen in say Senegal (wish i had powers of clairvoyance) if ever they become elected within an alliance but things must go beyond regime change.
Going haywire vulgar and insulting people and claiming that you are not controlled by any is foolhardy and all of us can wear the hat of vulgarity if we need to. And by God no one is sacred in my book if they think they can insult, put down others just because they think they have the right to be rude.
Best,
Mboge
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Lamin J Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mboge
UDP, unquestionably the largest opposition party, cannot do it alone. No opposition outfit can!
For me, the critical issue is whether we want a complete governance package going into elections, or win first and consult widely and sensibly on building a proper democratic architecture for a new Gambia. In my view, there is no alternative to an incrementalist approach, i.e., we go into elections as a united front, with some details on a potential government agreed, and agree, even if tentatively, on building flesh around the skeletons of a democratic state after dislodging despotism from our public life.
A united front has a logic that transcends the individual strengths of different parties, and when it comes to it, an inconclusive election may forcibly swung the way of the opposition.
LJDarbo
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:51:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
I find it extraordinary that there is even talk of coalition or whatever one calls it. UDP had declared victory (a landslide) long ago and the less than 5% PDOIS draws is insignificant to them as i understand the rhetoric it's foot soldiers have been trumpeting. Whatever PDOIS does is not gonna satisfy some of her interlocutors who if they had their wishes wanna see PDOIS fade and fizzle into oblivion. NADD failed and no one wants to take responsibility, rather we are bamboozled with outlandish and some of the most ridiculous concoctions of reasons that the whole thing was a subterfuge by PDOIS and Halifa in particular who wanted to gain power undeservedly. Now however flawed the AGENDA 11 is and indeed there are some problems with it at least it is an attempt to give those whom PDOIS desires to represent how things can be done. Now if the only reason for a UDP led alliance or coalition is that it is the biggest so everyone just have to be mute and follow them willy-nilly then that equally is a none starter. The examples of how coalition governments comes about such as the Conservative-Lib Dem pack that some have been talking about was only possible following elections and there was no clear winner able to form a government. There was never any talk of coalition between Cameron and Clegg prior to the elections of 2010 that i know of and if there were any negotiations for coming together the dynamics would have been totally different.
Let the UDP (the biggest party?) juggernaut as we are made to believe gather extra momentum and coast to victory and Gambia shall live happily ever after.
Mboge
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Pasamba Jow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> "An "extraordinary solution" would first require Mr Joof to articulate that PDOIS bears greatest responsibility in so far failed efforts to assemble a united front."
> Mr. Darboe, with all due respect, i find your above assertion as completely outrageous and without merit. This notion that PDOIS should just follow the UDP because it is the largest opposition party is out right rediculous. We would want the UDP to atleast produce a policy document on how and why people should join them in a party led coalition. I hope you will not also blame PDOIS for Hamat's decision to pull out of the UDP/NRP alliance?
> pasamba Jow
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> "True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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> ________________________________
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 15:02:08 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> George
>
> Mr Omar Joof has captured the dominant aspirations of Diaspora-based opposition supporters, but there is no question where major responsibility for the impasse in creating a united front lies. An "extraordinary solution" would first require Mr Joof to articulate that PDOIS bears greatest responsibility in so far failed efforts to assemble a united front.
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> Like you, I read the positions of the key players, and on current evidence, there is no realistic hope for a united front.
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> Unlike Mr Joof, I see no need to coax over the unachievable
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> LJDarbo.
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>
> --- On Tue, 17/5/11, George Sarr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: George Sarr <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RE: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 14:02
>
> Well said Omar. Well said!
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 17:11:15 GMT+00:00
> Subject: RE: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
>
> Daffeh,
> The perfect solution indeed is to ensure that there is a single opposition coalition candidate to challenge dictator Yaya Jammeh in The December presidential poll. The scenario we are faced with in The Gambia is extraordinary, and thus requires an extraordinary solution.
> I have no doubt that The UDP in terms of national following, is not just the biggest opposition party in The Gambia, but it is indeed the biggest political party in the country. A coalition that removes Yaya Jammeh can only be to the UDP's interest, but that can only be a coalition which includes not only all the opposition parties, but also PDOIS/NADD in particular. Only such an all inclusive opposition coalition will have the muscle to resist the criminality which constitutes the modus operandi of the A(F)PRC. The moment nomination day ends with a single opposition candidate up against Yaya Jammeh, you will witness Gambians in their thousands standing up for such an opposition candidate. There will be generated such a tremendous momentum for change that Yaya Jammeh even with all his green berets, will not be able to campaign in some places. This is not a matter of conjecture, but it is a fact, as we know how Jammeh has been stealing elections in The Gambia over the years.
> I am certain about another thing: In view of the banditry, brutality and criminality which characterize the body politics of the A(F)PRC, to contribute towards the regimes constitutional removal from power is a moral duty. Similarly, to procrastinate the evolution of the framework which to the majority of our citizenry and well wishers constitutes the perfect solution, should constitute a moral transgression. Though no person should hold moral judgement over another, this regime has been so murderous, that it can only be deemed to have committed the worst against us. This also helps to highlight the mess we are in, and make all the more obvious the urgency of the need for national sacrifice and compromise.
> Finally, I intend not to abide by your advice if we do not have a single opposition coalition candidate to challenge dictator Jammeh in the forthcoming presidential poll in The Gambia. However, whatever resources I have to contribute shall be equally divided between all the opposition parties. For me, they are all comrades-in-arms against murderers and friends of rapists!
> In conclusion, I hereby remind all our opposition leaders of the teaching of a man at the beginning of his eternal journey to his children. The man called all his children. When they were all gathered, he asked fo a traditional African broom to be brought in. When his request was complied with, he untied the broom and requested one of the children to sweep the floor with just one of the sticks from the collection that make up the broom. The act was impossible to perform. But when the sticks were put together again, the act of sweeping the floor became possible. The story teaches not only the significance of unity, but how paramount it is, especially when what constitutes the bottom line is messed up; like when truth and justice are not part of the basis of our national dialogue and interactions, like what obtains in The Gambia now.
> Best of regards,
> Omar Joof.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:31:46 +0100
> Subject: Re: [>-<] The deteriorating condition of Gambians in The Gambia
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Ansu, here is the perfect solution to this problem; Vote UDP if you live in The Gambia or canvass for votes and funds for the UDP if you lived outside The Gambia..
>
> Regards
> Daffeh
>
> On 14 May 2011 18:49, ansukoroma <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Sixteen years of tyrannical rule has plunged The Gambia further into an abyss of a rat hole that will take generations to rectify. Thanks to Yaya Jammeh - a military police corporal passing himself off as Head of State.
>
> Gambia's economy has been the number one victim of Jammeh's misrule outside of the human rights and liberties of Gambians which has been under assault since 22 July 1996. The economy has been decimated by sheer ignorance of a collection of sycophants led by Jammeh, whose sole role seem to be is to pilfer an economic system that, despite its shortcomings and inefficiencies under Jawara, has brought economic order through a reasonably predictable model of free enterprise. The invisible hand has been transformed into the very visible hand of a single individual who tries to single-handedly determine the demand and supply curves of the Gambian economy. Yaya Jammeh allocate public resources by determining the level of the annual budget and then turns around and use those very resources to purchase goods and services for government and political agents. The goods and services bought under Jammeh are more to do with highly depreciable assets like vehicles, tractors and other leisure vehicles and less to do with expenditures that will add lasting value to the economy. For example, less resources are allocated to school supplies, teacher training and teacher education and consumables and more on vehicles and buildings. The same applies to the health sector where it is common to see a shining ill-equipped hospital facility with empty medicine cabinets.
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> The resultant budget deficit has been a drag on the economy resulting in higher interest rates adding to the inflationary pressures that ordinary folks encounter daily. To ameriorate the fiscal pressures on government, there is a less-publisized measure of salary reduction for public servants to help pay for the irreponsible spending spree of an indeciplined giovernment. Reducing civil service pay during an economic down-turn only adds to an already difficult living condition for Gambians. It is now a common sight in the Greater Banjul area to see people walking along the Serrekunda-Banjul highway to work in Banjul bacasue they can no longer afford the transport fare which can easily total D25 per day, a sector now domonated by Jammeh transport companies. It has gotten that bad, folks. I don't know how long we can afford to sit and watch our country destroyed by a corrupt, inept and vicious government.
>
> A. Koroma
>
>
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