Suntou, That's exactly what am talking about... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... what may be fair to you may not be fair to someone else.... The media and journalists do their best but they are humans like anyone else.... you stated " The reason journalist are loved, admired and are protected, it is because at least, Real journalist, swore to defend and relay the truth without bias" And who love and protect those Journalists?.] Demba.

EVERYBODY loves and protects Real journalists, who swear to defend and relay the truth without bias.

[What form of support do you and your party render to support journalists?] Demba.

Suntou and or political parties do not need to support any journalists. Demba does not need to support any journalists. Haruna does not need to support any journalists. What individuals and the fellow citizens of journalists need to do is to defend victims of crime and oppression. When those victims happen to be journalists, we accord them greater lattitudes. Some of which I shared with you under separate cover. WHen you solicit and EXPECT support from individuals and political parties, that is when you begin you odious slide into pannafore. Take the case of Foroyaa... Ordinary citizens do not regard Foroyaa writers and editors as journalists. No more than we regard Fox News writers and editors as tabloidists. When Foroyaa then has inordinate representation in GPU, the journalists of GPU therefore assume the role of GTU-Gambia Tabloidists Union. Support for journalists, like support for teachers, police officers, carpenters, Welders, lawyers, doctors, has to be EARNED. You have never heard of a pro-bono journalist have you???????? The most dangerous element in a community is a fosse journalist.

[You cozy with them] Demba.

A REAL journalist must not allow any individual or political party to COZY with him or her. When that happens, the journalist becomes a corruptible minstrel. A journalist must be able to ward off such corrupting influences or he/she is not a journalist. There are many lines of work that are corruptible. This journalist must choose among those lines of work. If a journalist allows individuals and political parties to COZY up to him/her, that journalist is a criminal seeking the cover of press.

[when the reports are favoriable] Demba.

A report commanded (Cozied up) by an individual or political party is similar to research underwritten by an interest. WHen that research turns out to be favourable, it is expected so, and the client should be pleased to the extent of underwriting. If the report turns out to be unfavourable, it represents a waste of the client's consideration and the client is well within reason to slap the fosse journalist. That is why Real journalists do not allow themselves to be bought, underwritten, cozied-up-to by individuals or political parties.

[and trash them when the reports (facts) goes against your interest...] Demba.

Correct. And rightly so. To be or not to be. That is the question.

[If freedom or Gainako were to come up with a report about all the failures of the UDP] Demba.

Failure or success of a political party, be it APRC, UDP, PDOIS, NRP, ppp, GPDP, is highly subjective. And it is generally the purview of the political party and its members. If Freedomnewspaper or Gainako were to embark on a project to share with us what the failures of the UDP are, then from jump, the two organizations will have spectacularly displayed their tabloid natures. If the two organizations are interested in report-writing, I encourage them to do a comparative analysis on all the political parties of Gambia. I think Demba you see where sobriety ends and idiocy begins don't you? Its a fine line. Journalism is not easy. SHould you harbour such criminal aspirations, I would encourage you to reflect further on the ramifications. You will be considered an ordinary idiot and those you averse are well within reason to defend themselves against your slander and libel. You may not seek protection under the cover of Press!!!!!!!!

[you will be at arms attacking everybody and calling them bias...] Demba.

Well.

[Suntou, you can't have it both ways...] Demba.

But a journalist is NOT the determinant of whether Suntou, Demba, Haruna, or PDOIS can have it both ways or either way.

[the most dangerous thing we can do writing on blogs and listservs is to pretend to play fair by calling to question peoples' fairness or neutrality...] Demba.

The most dangerous thing we can do writing on tabloids, blogs, books, and listservs, is to pretend to play fair by calling to question people's fairness, neutrality, or idiosyncracies. I think that's what you meant to say Demba.

[again if you have no clue about a subject then ask the experts...] Demba.

And who are the experts on subjects that Suntou does not have a clue about???????????????????

[The bottom line is that people sacrificing their lives and resources working everyday should not be dehumanized or trash if you may by those who will standby and see them burn to death...] Demba.

A thief sacrifices his/her life by breaking and entering the property of other.
A lawyer sacrifices his/her life by representing a person whom he knows to have committed the crime alleged.
A doctor sacrifices his/her life by conducting heart surgery when he/she is licensed as a veterinary doctor. Or not licensed as a doctor altogether.
A carpenter risks his fingers by attempting to use a hack saw without safety glasses and without securing the plank he/she is attempting to saw.

etcetera, etcetera. Therefore, you see the value in maintaining those impartialities, independences, and neutralities that underpin global deference for journalists don't you Demba????????????? You can't have it both ways. You either be a full-time criminal or be a journalist.

[You and I have come a long way but I think we still have a long way to go...] Demba.

Don't we all????

[but we must learn to be practice what we preach!] Demba.

That is what Suntou was trying to share with you.

[And it appears you play a lot of double standards here...] Demba.

Let us agree for fancy that SUntou plays a lot of double standards Demba. Is that enticing enough for you to play the triple standards you have been longing to play????? Only now you can say, well Suntou plays a lot of double standards, so why should I not play quadruple standards??????????

[am again just cautioning... and I shall defend the work Ndey Tapha has done for our country and press freedom at whatever length...] Demba.

It always excites me when someone shares that they will "Defend so and so for so and so". The good work that Ndey Tapha did or continues to do, does not need defense from anyone. Not Demba, Not Haruna, Not Prince. What Haruna, Demba, and Suntou ought to do is to add value to those good works of Ndey Tapha where possible, and to defend Ndey Tapha to whatever length from crime and gratuitous abuse. Let us not invent phantom bravado. That is the ware of charlatans. There is no reason we feign defending Ndey Tapha from Suntou, a man who reserves great admiration for Ndey Tapha. I know no cause to spurn at Demba, but for the general. Young ambition.........................

[look inwards be4 you leap please...] Demba.

EXACTLY. You may land on friggin khorti butteil.

[Regards] Demba.

Thanks Demba. Back at you.

Haruna. If I didn't have religion Demba, I'd say you're losin' it. Fast.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Demba

No one is saying members of the Press cannot or should not be members of political parties. However, the core aspect of the Press should never be compromise. The Indepence and fairness of a news report is sancrosant. With weak systems in our countries, the media is seen by many as the only place where truth can be told without fear or favour.

I know you may get angry due to certain other issues, but take a deep breath and look at my arguments again.

If members of the public don't hold media practioners highly, we will see them as no different to a corrupt police officer or politician. The reason journalist are loved, admired and are protected, it is because at least, Real journalist, swore to defend and relay the truth without bias. If some take up other roles and sacrifice the profession along the way, that is their business.

When our judicial system can operate freely, when our police attain full independence, when our military cannot be use against civilians, when people can fight their corner, establishing truth through due process, let our editors run for President.

No Gambian journalist is oblige to be fair or neutral, no Gambia journalist is oblige to be independent. I only expect them to be.

In any case, this is my argument. I am not saying journalist cannot be human rights campaigners, justice campaigners etc etc. All I am saying, anytime they choice to report on a story, they should be bound by fair play and the quest to establish truth. If it is an expert that is require to tel us, I will happily read his/her findings. Bring him on.

Suntou

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Brother kejau,

I too was just wondering about this myth...how comes members of political parties can form Human rights groups and become active members while journalists or media practioners should be held to different standards?...

I am so sick and tired of people constantly drawing conclusions on areas they have no expertise on and never bother to either do research or ask the right people... we have become a bunch of opinionated cyber warriors without clue on who we are or what direction we ought to take....

It is so sickening reading a bunch of rubbish all day all night...

Lord almighty!!!!!!

Demba

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:49 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Suntou:
I did mention here about your protest that papers and journalists should be neutral which is found no where in the world. The utopia you seem to be so clinging to is your found only in your imagination. You said we should not take alignment from the west as they have mature democracies, so who or what do we take as the yardstick? Suntou's?
Ndey has all rights just like you, to join any group and it is even desirable that such high profile people take sides in politics.

Sent from Kejau's iPhone

On 5 Jul 2011, at 14:22, A Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Suntu:
> I correctly predicted that the next words off your blabs are that I a member of CCG. Go ahead, call a press conference and satisfy your orgies. Such is your manner of thinking. You like to make things up in your head.
>
> However, I cannot and do not intend to judge you as a person. Rather the inherent danger in the way you insist and fabricate ideas in your head and put those forward as irrefutable facts. You tend to present yourself, either naively or intentionally, as the most neutral person ever, the most daring ever, the most straightforward when it comes to issues relating how Gambians fight their plight. You present yourself as if you are the one who sets the standards for all to follow.
>
> With that in mind, I will take a few lines from your most recent posting and follow up with simple questions for you to answer. With this exercise, I am hoping we can all get to know the real Suntu or at least have a better glimpse into how you process your thoughts to help us understand what you are trying to tell us. I truly believe that you are either way too misunderstood because you think faster and wider than everyone else; or you are outright malicious in your uncanny knack for making stuff up.
>
> Please indulge me:
>
> 1- You wrote: “…the hopes of our democracy's future depends on the impartiality of our press.”
> What is Suntu’s standard(s) for “impartiality of our press?”
>
> 2- “But that is what live politics breed...individuals always want to take glory whilst the Shack is attacking...”
> Can you please share with us the names of the individuals who “always want to take glory…?” And the circumstances you are referring to?
>
> 3- “....the reason certain newspapers cannot do justice to opposition parties is because they are actively competing with them in other avenues.”
> Which newspapers “are actively competing with…” and what is your standard for “doing justice” to opposition parties?
>
> 4- “….we need our newspapers and the journalist to be free and balance, newspapers and the journalist should control or understand the stage of our politics.”
> What is your standard for a journalist to be “free and balance” and how do you think newspapers and journalist are going to be able to “control and understand the stage of our politics.”
>
> Suntu, in the interest of clarity and fair exchange, I, and I hope many on this forum, would like to know the answers to the questions I posed. If you feel you do not need to answer these questions, then I will have to make my own conclusions on the quoted statements based on how I understand them. Is that fair enough?
>
> -Laye
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