Thank you Suntou. I await the breakdown of opposition votes with baded breath. If you will share the breakdown as announced by the IEC (2006 election results). Haruna. -----Original Message----- From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:38 am Subject: Re: [G_L] Conversations with Baks Yamba, sugar never die. Haruna. "Let's say 1/2 of the SBVs voted for UDP/NRP (138,825) and nadd(138,825). I will stop here temporarily until our friend Suntou helps us with the breakdown of the 128,181 that YOU and Hon. Halifa lumped together as voted for the OPPOSITION THAT did not go to the elections UNITED" Haruna Haruna, the analysis of Halifa was commented upon by the UDP U.K a while ago. We will dig it up for clarification purposes. And also, the aspect nuanced by Hon Sallah was his own perspective, and we didn't accept that analysis as the sole factor for opposition losing. And as you said, after the talks in NADD colapse, there happen to be sometime to fix things...the lack of will on all sides in patching up differences may be the sole cause of all sides losing. We will bring up the vote share of each party shortly. Thanks Suntou On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: [Therefore it is time for us to open our arms to change in November 24th 2011 if we are not to be cursed by the future generations for failing to take up responsibility.] Baks Yamba. This was your transition Baks from exploiting the chagrin of the Gambian people to purvey your defective merchandise. I must say, you had me going for a while. What with Fabakary Janjunnaa from Baddibu Salikenye. Baks, I know a Fabakary Ceesay from Baddibu, you're no Mankanaas. [Agenda 2011 offered us the best chance so far to carry out that responsibility.] BY. It is refreshing that among the multitudes of Gambians that AGENDA 1965 was presented to, you Baks, regard the retardant No-plan to offer the best chance to remove Yahya from your conscience. You did not share with us why you think so highly of A-1860. You share it probably is the best solution nonetheless. I have a feeling you did not read A-1880. Someone just handed it to you and said. Here, go hither and purvey this placebo. But do not visit its contents for therein lies a demure reptile, a two-decade-old starved meandering nothingness, lethal to the core. Baks, in a nutshell, here is what A-1823 offers you: 1. Given that we tried nadd, an umbrella party of equal subparties and FAILED, 2. Given that we also tried a UDP-led alliance (with NRP) in the Kombo East By-election and they succeeded in beating nadd but failed to beat the APRC candidate, but there was vote-buying and vote-selling and such, we, nadd?????, now propose that because we are not aware of any charismamamtic magician among the opposition parties, and with the paramount confidence that those who abstained from voting in the 2006 elections did so because they hadn't been presented with a united opposition candidate, That we go to those silver-bullet voters and ask them to choose a candidate they view as charismamatic enough to vote for (PRIMARY for the disenchanted), and that this Silver-Bullet Candidate does not necessarily have to come from our current opposition party rank-and-file or leadership (because we think the reason you did not vote in the 2006 election was because of "APATHY" and that you were not enthusiastic enough about any of us (The leaders and rank-and-file of our parties - how disrespectful of oneself can you be?), and we will join together and present that candidate for the 2011 election. After you choose that candidate for us, we will then go back to the drawing board and try to bring US (the opposition parties, our rank-and-file, and those who actually voted in 2006) to sponsor that candidate. Baks I think I'm getting dizzy already. Now stay with me for a minute. First of all, there was no survey done of the non-voters and no empirical evidence exists that those who abstained from voting, did so for lack of enthusiasm in any of the opposition party leaders or their party platforms or whether they even understood those party platforms. PDOIS however, took it upon itself to declare that none of the opposition party candidates is CHARISMAMATIC enough (including themselves) but, brace yourself Baks, PDOIS claimed that this was the view of those who abstained from voting. Now Baks I don't know about you, but no-one asked me immediately after the 2006 election whether or not I think any of the opposition leaders, party members and rank-and-file, and those who actually voted, were charismamatic or too boring to deserve my vote. And given that Hon. Halifa posited, without giving evidence, that there were massive vote-buying and vote-selling during the precursor Kombo East by-election, no one ever asked me whether, if any of this group were actually charismamatic enough, I will refrain from selling my vote and instead cast it for the new clown. I think you follow me so far. Mind you the algebra class has not started yet. This is the introduction to the class. An overview if you will. Emily, get Baks some water. Now then, if the genesis of AGENDA 2020 is that the opposition had failed prior to yield a united candidate in the Kombo East by-elction and the 2006 elections when they had a series of nadd talks, who is this that is presenting me with an A-1550 paper for the way-forward and under what authority are they presenting it to me????????? If I should receive this paper, muster enough enthusiasm to read and understand it, go through the prescribed PRIMARY, and choose myself as the most charismamamatic leader they should all fall-in behind with their various resources and militants, how are they gonna unite to implement my that decision? Forget about how I will fund the PRIMARY. That is the easy part. How do I get presented to the IEC as the united opposition candidate for the 1860 elections and under what authority???? Should I tell the IEC that that determination is pending??????? And after I succeed there, are the opposition parties going to campaign against me, their "united" candidate?????? I am thorouhgly confused. You wanna know what I think Baks Yamba??? A-1860 is not really about grooming and presenting a united candidate for the 2011 elections. If it were, the authors would have first determined whether the reason why I abstained from voting in 2006 was really because I didn't think any of them was charismamatic enough for my vote before wasting valuable time putting A-1860 together. I encourage you to survey how many people were presented with A-1850 and how many people read it to even know what they're supposed to do. Then come back and tell me how we're going to achieve the goal of a united opposition candidate for 2011 when the opposition is removed from and is dis-invested from the process????????? Hon. Hamat did say he will contest the election as a presidential candidate for NRP, I suppose he will be on the campaign trail against me. Baks, what I share with you is that A-1515 was dead-on-arrival simply because it is purveyed under fosse and malignant authority. It is an insignificant piece of PDOIS electioneering. [If any Gambian has an option which is better than this Agenda, he/she should put it on the table for consideration.] BY Baks Yamba, this is one of the dead giveaways that indicated to me you're not from Baddibu Salikenye. I think you unduly cause the great people of Baddibu Salikenye much anxiety and chagrin for these and those frauds you perpetrate on them. This and the fact that you spelt Salikenye Salikene tells me you're more likely from somewhere in Kolda. Be that as it may, I want to remind you that in 2006, a brilliant opposition party, the UDP, presented the only and best option to bring all Gambians together and remove Yahya from our conscience. That option, which still lies on the PDOIS mahogany desk, is as follows: Best Option: NRP, PDOIS, ppp, NDAM, all fall-in behind the UDP, the most diverse and largest opposition political party of Gambia, if our goal is to remove Yahya from our collective conscience. Now Baks, this option remains the only viable and sensible option today. Only now, we can add GMC to the gravitas of this agglomeration. Please do not tell me we've tried this option before as your AGENDA 1965 attempts to purvey in order to captivate the wild imaginations of a persecuted people. And remmember, in this best option, PDOIS, NRP, ppp, and or GMC do not have to dissolve in thin air. They will remain the unique parties they have always been. They will only fall-in behind the UDP candidate in order to REMOVE the criminal Yahya from mis-governing Gambia, to stop the insults, injuries, abductions, kidnappings, assassinations, murders, and mortgaging the future of Gambia's children and grandchildren. This will usher in the ambient culture of a level playing field for all parties, ruling or opposition, accountability for the public treasury, the much cherished freedoms of expression and association for religion and industry, independent judiciary comprised of Gambian citizens and only in force majeure circumstances, invite foreign justices who share our democratic values and principles. The rule of fear will end overnight. The political parties will conduct vibrant campaigns for the National Assembly, and in 5 years, all parties will contest the presidency on equal footing. There is not even any need for NRP, PDOIS, ppp, or GMC to demand government positions or other political office as a reward for supporting the UDP candidate in the 2011 presidential election. This is because such condition is not even significant enough to scupper the grand goal of removing Yahya the notorious criminal. I declare that the UDP is comprised of conscientious and professional adults and I wouldn't be surprised if the government that comes after the historic removal of Yahya is made up of majority NRP, PDOIS, ppp, and GMC. The moment is too high for the opposition and for all Gambia to be sidetracked by inutile horse-trading. Especially when you consider the alternatives of a dis-united opposition. I know your mind is playing tricks on you because you're focused on that minister position right now. ANd I know you've been waiting for close to 3 decades to be chauffeured with a state flag waving. But bear with me for a minute while I present another scenario to you. Scenario 1: NRP, PDOIS, ppp, and GMC throw their mights behind the UDP candidate for President and the coalition succeeds in removing Yahya but NRP, PDOIS, ppp, and GMC were not given any ministerial position in the new government. Scenario 2: NRP, PDOIS, ppp, and GMC throw their mights behind the UDP candidate for President and the coalition succeeds in removing Yahya. And the ensuing government is comprised of NRP, APRC, UDP, PDOIS, ppp, and GMC members in equal proportion (1/6 each). Scenario 3: Ousainou, Halifa, Hamat, OJ, Yahya, and Mai all contest the 2011 elections under their separate party banners. And Yahya wins. The ensuing government will DEFINITELY not have any UDP, NRP, PDOIS, ppp, or GMC members in it. Those communities which did not vote for Yahya will continue to be persecuted. Insults, Injuries, Abductions, Kidnappings, Assassinations, wanton arrests, rapes, theft, will continue to claim newer victims. The Judiciary will continue to be made up of the mercenary judges who give aid and comfort to Yahya and other criminals. UDP, NRP, PDOIS, ppp, or GMC, will not be able to campaign freely and equitably in the National Assembly elections. Accidental deaths will occur. Foroyaa will be shut down. Nyakoi schools will be shut down. Those who remain in Mile 2 whose cases have not been heard yet will certainly face expedited railroadings and highly probable death. GRTS will continue to be the reserve of Yahya. You will more likely see defections galore from all the opposition parties to the APRC. I think I can stop here. Baks Yamba, let me also share the story of Senegal with you. I know you're already familiar with Senegal, but bear with me another moment. In Senegal, before the current demonstrations demanding Wade withdraw from contesting the next Presidential elections having served two consecutive terms, many of the opposition parties came together to form Benno Sigil Senegaal. Benno Sigil Senegaal (BSS) means "With God's help, we hail Senegaal". Not all of the opposition parties are actually partners of BSS, but a significant enough number came together, and the party of Hon. Macky Saal and another party, I forget the name right off the bat, pledge allegiance to BSS but that allegiance did not prevent them from forming an alliance among the two of them on the side. This is similar to our scenario 1 above, only NRP and ppp, or NRP and PDOIS, or NRP and GMC form a side alliance to prosecute the NAM elections . The value of such a strategy ould also help blunt any potential waywardness or potential extremities of the UDP once the coalition succeeds in removing Yahya and the UDP decides to hoard all the positions of governance. Now these parties in Senegal have not been pre-occupied with what positions they will get if their BSS coalition should succeed in removing Wade. This is because the mere agreement and allegiance they paid to BSS emboldened all Senegaal to now demand Wade's withdrawal from contesting the presidency for a third term. And that campaign will succeed. If that campaign succeeds, there will now NOT be a need for BSS and each opposition or their side-alliances could offer their own candidates because all of them want to become President of Senegaal. If they hadn't formed BSS, the citizens will not be empowered enough to come out in their great numbers to demand that Wade not contest for another term. I know you're murmuring to yourself "what if Wade refuses to withdraw from contesting...Yadi yadi yadah". Well if Wade refuses to withdraw, his clown IEC will be dispossessed of the honour to organize the elections, and Wade cannot survive a vrai Independent Electoral Commission in Senegaal. So Wade's best option is to avoid being exiled from Senegaal for the rest of his life. We can now move on to Algebra 101. Baks, Yamba, I just noticed one thing. We cannot move on to PolAlg. 101 just yet because I noticed you regurgitated some subjects I treated profusely earlier. So I will lift those matters and treat them now. I will leave the one-sentence Algebra you afforded us for last. I want to do it this way because it demonstrates your paucity in arithmetic and the properties of arithmetic operations. Associative and Distributive. By the time we conclude, you will have learned how to complete the square in quadratic and more complex iterative equations. [277,651 abstained from voting] Baks Yamba (out of original order) Yes Baks, according to the figures you lifted from Halifa's analysis immediately after the last elections, without giving due credit to the honourable, I take your word for it that 277, 651 persons who were registered did not cast their votes either for Yahya or for UDP/NRP, or nadd. Even if we suppose that 100 of those persons expired or travelled abroad between their registration and the elections, it doesn't significantly affect the 277,651 silver-bullet voters. The question then becomes, those silver bullet voters, why did they not vote at all? Does the fact that the opposition failed to offer a singular candidate make sense to you as a reason for these multitude of Silver-Bullet-Voters NOT TO VOTE????? Baks, you will remember that the nadd talks lasted a good while. The disintegration of those nadd talks also occured a good while before the hallmark elections of 2006. Out of the prospective NADD, came UDP/NRP and nadd. This happened several months before the elections proper. If these SBVs were disenchanted about the disunity of the opposition parties, why did they not express their disdains and erstwhile chagrins to those opposition party leaders they USED to support? Why did they not suggest a solution to the impasse rather than KEEP QUIET?? Were they concerned about Gambia enough to vote for their opposition parties of choice???? Let's say 1/2 of the SBVs voted for UDP/NRP (138,825) and nadd(138,825). I will stop here temporarily until our friend Suntou helps us with the breakdown of the 128,181 that YOU and Hon. Halifa lumped together as voted for the OPPOSITION THAT did not go to the elections UNITED. Later. Haruna. We stand a better chance to bring about change if we want. In 2006 presidential election, there were 670336 registered voters. 264,404 voted for Jammeh and 128,281 voted for the opposition. If we add the opposition vote with those who abstained (277,651 SBVs - Haruna), it almost doubles that of Jammeh. This shows that he is the least popular. There is no doubt that the overwhelming majority of those who abstained are those who were disgruntled about the unexpected fragmentation of the opposition. If there was unity, they were likely to vote for change. Jammeh is more unpopular today than in 2006. Yes if will, we can bring about change and give our country a fresh start. Let’s do it now. Forward with The Gambia. By Fabakary Trawalley Baddibou Salikene Baks Yamba, How are you? Welcome to Ellen, the leading forum in Gambia's evolution. If you're not already a subscriber here, I encourage you consider sharing with us. Ellen will play a pivotal role in removing Yahya from Gambia's conscience. You don't want to be left behind I see. Well why not be among those responsible for ridding Gambia of Yahya? I want to assure you that I shared your notes in full with my coleagues here so they may offer their own opinions on them without undue burden of my assessment of your notes proper. I'm sure you will thank me for that due-diligence. And I have no cause to spurn at but for this paragraph here below. I therefore efforted to separate those malignant and clueless notes from the rest of your sober and well-presented arguments in order that your shortcomings will not unduly infect your enormous value and potentiality. This paragraph I intend to add value to, I will lift it from here and present it under new cover to complete the divorce by design I allude to above. I just wanted you to stay focused and follow me. Please advise Dad Nyang to go to the corner, sit, and be quiet for a minute. I will see you later. In the kudzoo field. Over there--> Haruna. Therefore it is time for us to open our arms to change in November 24th 2011 if we are not to be cursed by the future generations for failing to take up responsibility. Agenda 2011 offered us the best chance so far to carry out that responsibility. If any Gambian has an option which is better than this Agenda, he/she should put it on the table for consideration. We stand a better chance to bring about change if we want. In 2006 presidential election, there were 670336 registered voters. 264,404 voted for Jammeh and 128,281 voted for the opposition. 277,651 abstained from voting. If we add the opposition vote with those who abstained, it almost doubles that of Jammeh. This shows that he is the least popular. There is no doubt that the overwhelming majority of those who abstained are those who were disgruntled about the unexpected fragmentation of the opposition. If there was unity, they were likely to vote for change. Jammeh is more unpopular today than in 2006. Yes if will, we can bring about change and give our country a fresh start. Let’s do it now. Forward with The Gambia. 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