It is true as brother Demba rightly said
Behind closed door meetings some elements do disclose confidential issues with out side but the fact still remains they are all mature politicians and it is up to them to upheld any genuine dialogue and stick to any agreement reached. Backing down on any common agreement would be a total betrayal of the Gambian people and that would not be tolerated at all.


king

 
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:24 -0700
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Subject: Re: PDOIS Central ,Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To
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"the way the leaders arrive at that is little or no importance to voters" Suntou...
 
Brother Suntou, I think this is a huge mistake... and I honestly believe in the absence of an open process, there are bounds to be finger pointing... which is the very reason why these opposition leaders don't trust each other...
 
Do you remember all the arguments about who nominated who and which group supported what candidate? Remember all the finger pointing at STGDP favoring one candidate over another??? How about a meeting between two brothers Darboe and Sidia? What was the outcome.... finger pointing right?
 
This was the reason..negotiating behind close doors...Do you ever wonder who they are hiding the negotiations from? Certainly not Jammeh?
 
I say lay it BARE.....and use your political muscles...
 
Trust is key in everything you do my learned friend.... especially negotiating with others...
 
I think UDP should call PDOIS position a bluff and challenge them at the table on agenda 2011... the primaries and grassroot support... I just don't get why the largest party with the highest potentials in the areas of constituents is not putting clear demands on the table?
 
Why not have a public debate about the disagreements? Is this the same democracy we are advocating for? Put your plans out and let the people digest it just like they did with 2011 and discard it as unrealistic...
 
That is what we lack in Gambia... an open process.
 
Demba
 
 
 
 


On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:39 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
"If everything is to be tabled and discussed behind closed doors, what else do we need the people to vote for." Rene
 
The people have been voting for UDP in larger numbers as against PDOIS, therefore, your assertion here is baseless and flimsy to say the least.
The Coalition is between political parties. The people will be voting for the agreed upon terms between the parties and the agenda they will sell at rallies and in the media. Was NADD discussion held in public? Why did the rumours surrounding all discussions ended up the Press unofficially? This was so because, lesser marginal elements wish to use the press to inflate themselves at the expense of the big picture. And UDP will not give any individual that opportunity, if certain opposition leaders see the media as their avenue to inflate themselves, let them continue inflating, because really, the readers largely don't vote.
What Gambians want is to see a United Opposition, the way the leaders arrive at that is little or no importance to voters. However, discounting the size of the UDP is the core reason why all this Road to where is the issue. And it is the Gambia that having a discussion over that an issue, I wonder why?
If getting the approval of the people is the pre-requisite for PDOIS agreeing to sit and talk, then that will never happen because Halifa reminded us that, he sold Agenda 2011 to Gambians, and that it was receive well, but the Wulli by-election proof to us that, it wasn't.
The UDP proposal has been ready to be presented to representatives of the opposition parties. The UDP reach out to Gambians on weekly and daily basis, therefore, Gambians are well aware of the position of the UDP. The reason people are evening talking about Coalition is because of the general landscape. hence, media politicking should start when a deal is reach, not before.
Suntou


 
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:31 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Demba,
        Good observation. This is the reason why Daffeh is not winning the argument on the party-led coalition effort. If everything is to be tabled and discussed behind closed doors, what else do we need the people to vote for.

         Moreover,  we are talking about a change of government, that is supposed to build the institutional and policy frameworks,  that will correct more than three decades of a forced and consolidated "political goodwill."

         What we failed to appreciate and acknowledge, is that this is not about the largest opposition political party, or the smallest opposition party, but a conviction for a battle of intent and purpose that will leave in its wake, a formidable wind of change that can uproot the more than 30 years of the entrenched  political culture.

           There is no short cut around this thing. It has to be done the right way.

      Rene


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  Daffeh, I wonder if you understand that the public is a stake holder of the UDP?
 In a representative democracy all cannot gather in one space and discuss. So putting party position in the public space is an important pillar in any genuine democracy!!!

The international community and the Gambian Diasopra are also important and UDP like any other party is better served communicating its programs to the public UNLESS you think only Daffeh & and UDP UK need to know what the party is about!!

Information is power my friend, you just need to know how, when and what to communicate!!!

Thanks

Demba


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Guys, you can all be assured that UDP will never negotiate a coalition in the public space as that will only generate unnecessary polarisation and further division within the opposition.

What UDP has advocated for and will continue to advocate is for all parties to meet at the table and behind closed doors to iron-out their differences. Thus, the notion that the UDP will or should throw out a proposal in the public space as a pre-condition for talks is unacceptable and delusional on the part of Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS party.

If the Ayatollah (Halifa) is genuinely interested in a United Front as he claim to be , then why is it taking him so long to agree to meet the UDP leader at the table despite being persistently pursued by the UDP leadership?  Kind RegardsDaffeh

On 10 August 2011 12:27, UDP United Kingdom &[log in to unmask]">lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:
''As for Daffeh, i will need to karawass him real good lol.''- Pa samba Jow Ha! Ha! Ha! No, we don't have to reach that level, my good friend. Just advice your Ayatollah (Halifa Sallah) to stop being dishonest and trying to play with the intelligence of others. There are no fools around to be played with; not in this moment when the stakes are this high. Thus, he should wake-up from his slumber of delusion and disingenuousness, and meet the UDP leadership at the table and behind close doors for real substantive talks. If they agree to coalesce, they can put out a joint statement in the public space explaining the key point of the final settlement. If, on the other hand, there is no agreement, then all parties can issue a statement explaining their version of the story and the public can decide who was being real and who is fake in this whole coalition debacle. This is the conventional approach and it is what the UDP subscribes to. Putting a coalition proposal in the public space before it is even discussed will lead to nothing but further polarisation and division in the opposition camp. That will favour nobody but President Jammeh and his APRC party. I remain your good friendDaffeh


On 10 August 2011 05:58, Haruna Darbo &[log in to unmask]">lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:
Aye Aye Laye. The only area where we diverge is your nightmare that Hon. Ousainou flip flops. Other than that I enjoy your hazard sobrieties.

Haruna. What is this Goro business with Coach???? The man will give us a heart attack a cause d'his jitters. I have a say in this Goro deal. Whenever it was concluded.

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Goro:
I was afraid I will come across as PDOIS bashing; far from it. I am just as
frustrated with the circus as many out there. I shared here my frustration with
UDP and Ouisainou's double talk and Daffeh assured me it is not their (Daffeh
and UDP’s) problem that I have a problem with that. However, I will make my take
known and I think I deserve it for my sanity.

PDOIS, UDP, NRP, GMC etc. decided to get in the game not because thousands
rallied at the stadium to call for them to come in and lead us to freedom from
tyranny. Why should any of them set a condition on the people for them to come
together? UDP can claim all the numbers they want, they have not been winning;
that's the point! Ousainou flip flopped (sorry Haruna) so many times on this
united front issue that it can make you feel dizzy trying to follow the flops.
He did the same in 2006, so nothing new there. Now PDOIS Central Committee is
taking over the pancake session. What are we to expect of these folks?

It is absolutely clear what folks want from the opposition - hope and clear,
united leadership - to see the back of Yaya. That is the immediate need for now,
doctrines of governance, sovereignty and good citizenship will fall in place.
Yaya have been indoctrinating Gambians for the past 17 years and the odds are
stacking up as we go. He is teaching us how to hate each other. He is teaching
us how to undermine each other. He is teaching us how to depend on him. He is
teaching us how to be afraid of him. He is teaching us how not to unite against
him. He has been doing a darn good job of all this. He has tyrannized Gambians
so much so that we are getting afraid of our own shadows! He has an agenda for
Gambians and it is working am afraid to say.

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