Demba, I am not getting mail from Ellen as I should. This is from the archives.

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Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:56:31 +0000
Haruna, am a citizen] Demba.

Right. I agree with you Demba that you are a citizen of Gambia.

[and UPD like all parties are vying to run the affairs of my country.] Demba.

They are vying for your votes in order to run the affairs of Gambia. You and your fellow 1.5 million Gambians own Gambia.

[That makes me and the public a stake holder.] Demba.

How does your and my citizenship of Gambia make us stakeholders in APRC, UDP, NRP, PDOIS, ppp, or GMC Demba????????????????? Mere citizenship of a nation does not accrue automatic stakes in any political party registered in Gambia.

[and the political process if nothing makes me and the public a stake holder.] Demba.

The way the political process makes Demba or Haruna a stakeholder is if Demba and or Haruna belong to or declare membership in any of the political parties. The political process of Gambia accords Demba the privilege to form and register a political party or belong to one of the existing political parties. It is unfair to force ourselves on any political party simply because we are citizens of the country where that political party is registered. You Demba are more a stakeholder in the IEC than any of Gambia's political parties if you do not belong to any. That is as much as you're gonna get. Further, even though the government issues from the APRC political party, YOU still are not a stakeholder in APRC.

[I also have a duty as a citizen to contribute to the political process by given advice] Demba.

You can make anything your duty as a citizen Demba including helping in flood disaster relief, but YOU DO NOT HAVE A CIVIC DUTY TO GIVE ADVICE TO ANYONE and no one is required to take your advice. In other words, you can give advice all day like the preacher at the town square but I encourage you to wait until a political party solicits your advice. Even if its free.

[on what I think is better for my country.] Demba.

Better than what?? And give advice to whom????? Why would you wanna run around and give advice to everybody Demba???? Do you know that if you are not a medical doctor and you run around and give medical advice to folk, you can be liable for damages and fraudulent agency?????????????? I don't get you sometimes Demba. You are just like me Demba. You can share your opinions on any topic under Gambia's sun but we may not pretend to give advice to corporations and political parties because we are entitled to doing so by virtue of our citizenship. This is very dangerous Demba. Why don't you become a member of a political party if you're interested in giving them advice on how to run their party??????????????????

[We can give all kinds of excuses to these political leaders despite the failed results over and over again And I mean all of them!!!] Demba.

What're you talking about Demba??? I'm not in the business of making excuses for any political party or leader and my fees as advisor or spokesperson are too steep for all of the parties, even APRC. How can you make excuses for any political party leader Demba??????????? They have members of their parties for that. Why would you want to give yourself such burdensome responsibility???????????

[Enough is enough of these dancing around!!!] Demba.

Demba, can you even dance???????????? Enough of what is enough?????????? You PDOISards like these soundbites.

We love you Demba. I think you should form your own political party and I will become member and give you all kinds of advice and excuses. Word!!!!!!!!!! And au gratis.

Haruna.

-----Original Message-----
From: thegdproject <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Demba / Daffeh / PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition.

Oh Demba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're thoroughly confusing yourself about democracy again and stakeholders.

[-----Original Message-----  From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>  To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>  Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 1:14 pm  Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS Central ,Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To...
Daffeh, I wonder if you understand that the public is a stake holder of the UDP?] Demba.

The public is NOT a stakeholder in either APRC, UDP, NRP, PDOIS, ppp, or GMC. These political parties wish to make as many of the PUBLIC stakeholders as possible. So the public may be prospective desiring stakeholders, but until they hold stakes in any of the parties, they are not stakeholders.

[In a representative democracy all cannot gather in one space and discuss.] Demba.

Correct. Even in a dictatorship or a tyranny, All cannot gather in one space and discuss.

[So putting party position in the public space is an important pillar in any genuine democracy!!!] Demba.

NO. Putting party position in the public arena is good marketing strategy for a political party. What political parties do with their party positions IS NOT THE PURVIEW of DEMOCRACY. Genuine or not. Demba I think you burden democracy too much and you have unreasonable expectations of political parties. This may be the problem with some of us. Perceptions.

[The international community and the Gambian Diasopra are also important] Demba.

YES. And each party makes its own judgement how important these components are and how to incorporate them in the party's information program.

[and UDP like any other party is better served communicating its programs to the public] Demba.

SO THE KEYWORD is BETTER SERVED. In other words Demba, even though you are NOT a STAKEHOLDER in any of the parties until you declare membership or some attachment to one, YOU can still afford them ADVICE/COUNSEL.

[UNLESS you think only Daffeh & and UDP UK need to know what the party is about!!] Demba.

This is not even significant as far as Demba, Daffeh, Haruna, or Gambian Public is concerned. Daffeh and his party aim to convince as many Gambians as possible to become stakeholders in the UDP. It will therefore be foolhardy for the UDP to keep their party platform close to the vest and not disseminate it as widely as possible. What agreement or negotiations Daffeh and the UDP are conducting with other political parties is the private concern of the UDP and those political parties. We, the general Gambian public, are not interested in those activities. The parties can share those or the conclusions thereof with us if they desire, but the nitty gritty of those activities is immaterial to us.

[Information is power my friend, you just need to know how, when and what to communicate!!!] Demba.

Demba you should be a consultant to a political party. And make sure you demand to be paid for your consultancy. It has nothing to do with democracy. We would HOPE however, that you will adhere to democratic principles in your Consulting.

Haruna. Men!!!!!!!!!
From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:40:43 +0100
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Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To

Guys, you can all be assured that UDP will never negotiate a coalition in the public space as that will only generate unnecessary polarisation and further division within the opposition.

What UDP has advocated for and will continue to advocate is for all parties to meet at the table and behind closed doors to iron-out their differences. Thus, the notion that the UDP will or should throw out a proposal in the public space as a pre-condition for talks is unacceptable and delusional on the part of Halifa Sallah and his PDOIS party.

If the Ayatollah (Halifa) is genuinely interested in a United Front as he claim to be , then why is it taking him so long to agree to meet the UDP leader at the table despite being persistently pursued by the UDP leadership?
 
Kind Regards
Daffeh


On 10 August 2011 12:27, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
''As for Daffeh, i will need to karawass him real good lol.''- Pa samba Jow
 
Ha! Ha! Ha! No, we don't have to reach that level, my good friend. Just advice your Ayatollah (Halifa Sallah) to stop being dishonest and trying to play with the intelligence of others. There are no fools around to be played with; not in this moment when the stakes are this high. Thus, he should wake-up from his slumber of delusion and disingenuousness, and meet the UDP leadership at the table and behind close doors for real substantive talks. If they agree to coalesce, they can put out a joint statement in the public space explaining the key point of the final settlement. If, on the other hand, there is no agreement, then all parties can issue a statement explaining their version of the story and the public can decide who was being real and who is fake in this whole coalition debacle. This is the conventional approach and it is what the UDP subscribes to.
 
Putting a coalition proposal in the public space before it is even discussed will lead to nothing but further polarisation and division in the opposition camp. That will favour nobody but President Jammeh and his APRC party.
 
I remain your good friend
Daffeh


On 10 August 2011 05:58, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Aye Aye Laye. The only area where we diverge is your nightmare that Hon. Ousainou flip flops. Other than that I enjoy your hazard sobrieties.

Haruna. What is this Goro business with Coach???? The man will give us a heart attack a cause d'his jitters. I have a say in this Goro deal. Whenever it was concluded.

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From: Laye Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] PDOIS Central Commitee statement On United Opposition. The Long Road To

Goro:






I was afraid I will come across as PDOIS bashing; far from it. I am just as 






frustrated with the circus as many out there. I shared here my frustration with 






UDP and Ouisainou's double talk and Daffeh assured me it is not their (Daffeh 






and UDP’s) problem that I have a problem with that. However, I will make my take 






known and I think I deserve it for my sanity. 













PDOIS, UDP, NRP, GMC etc. decided to get in the game not because thousands 






rallied at the stadium to call for them to come in and lead us to freedom from 






tyranny. Why should any of them set a condition on the people for them to come 






together? UDP can claim all the numbers they want, they have not been winning; 






that's the point! Ousainou flip flopped (sorry Haruna) so many times on this 






united front issue that it can make you feel dizzy trying to follow the flops. 






He did the same in 2006, so nothing new there. Now PDOIS Central Committee is 






taking over the pancake session. What are we to expect of these folks?













It is absolutely clear what folks want from the opposition - hope and clear, 






united leadership - to see the back of Yaya. That is the immediate need for now, 






doctrines of governance, sovereignty and good citizenship will fall in place. 






Yaya have been indoctrinating Gambians for the past 17 years and the odds are 






stacking up as we go. He is teaching us how to hate each other. He is teaching 






us how to undermine each other. He is teaching us how to depend on him. He is 






teaching us how to be afraid of him. He is teaching us how not to unite against 






him. He has been doing a darn good job of all this. He has tyrannized Gambians 






so much so that we are getting afraid of our own shadows! He has an agenda for 






Gambians and it is working am afraid to say.













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